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jt512


Jan 6, 2011, 11:14 AM

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Re: [cracklover] NEAR MISS REPORT: The stupid mistakes edition
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cracklover wrote:
jt512 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
jt512 wrote:
Hopefully that will be the effect of the thread, rather than, as implied by notapplicable, an opportunity for catharsis and to falsely convince ourselves that these mistakes are normal. No, they're not. Hopefully, this thread is an unrepresentative sample.

Jay

Hmm... Jay, you know I respect you, but I don't know how better to say this, so I'll just spit it out.

In my opinion, to think that you can have a long career of adventurous climbing and never be saved from your own mistakes by plain old good fortune displays something worse than the ability to make a mistake. It shows plain and simple hubris and overconfidence.

You can stack all the odds in your favor with a full bag of tricks, a good head on your shoulders for solving problems, and a lot of good habits, but... you cannot guarantee that you will never err.

GO

You quoted me out of context. The "these mistakes" I was referring to were in this sentence from my previous post: "I've never made a life-threatening error wrt my climbing equipment." I've certainly made life-threatening judgment errors, but I was talking about the types of equipment errors discussed in the thread (some of which I went on to enumerate). I think you absolutely can go through a "long career of adventure climbing" without ever forgetting to double back your harness, mis-rigging your rappel, or half-tying your tie-in knot, and so on. I think the majority of climbers do go through their careers without making such mistakes. And I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of activities where you don't get a second chance after making an equipment error, so you'd better never make one.

Jay

If what you meant us to infer was that some mistakes are more understandable than others, and that there is a range between being stupidly careless about the systems you use every time you go climbing on the one hand; and a rare and understandable judgment error on the other, I would agree with you. But that is not at all how your post came across: thus my post.

GO

What I meant was what I said. See the bolded statement. What's so hard to understand?

Jay


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