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Mar 23, 2011, 12:48 PM

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Re: [jt512] Bouldering Difficulty Progression
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jt512 wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
pyrosis wrote:
All ratings are subjective, which is why I trust a consensus based on ascents by numerous climbers over years to be much more accurate than a grade assigned by how hard a single route-setter thinks a problem is. The subjective nature of the rating is somewhat mitigated by the consensus. EG, tall climbers find a reachy problem much easier than short climbers, but the consensus ends up being somewhere in the middle. Climbers obviously find some value in this, otherwise why even bother to have ratings at all?

The consensus does make ratings reliable, but it does not change the fact that they're not subjective. If you ask 100 people if they like hot dogs, and they all say yes, does that mean it is not subjective? Of course not. Same goes for grades. Adding more people's opinions does not make something less subjective, even though it does make it more reliable.

How are you defining "subjective"?


Hmm. I'd say's second definition: wrote:
pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual.

I'd compare it to the 1-10 pain scale, but we've already seen where that would take us. Perhaps we need to get some placebo boulders for a controlled study on the V-grade?

edit: Even if I misused the term, I still stand by my original point that indoor problems are inherently no more and no less subjective.

(This post was edited by spikeddem on Mar 23, 2011, 12:50 PM)

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