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Nov 12, 2012, 6:19 PM

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Re: [FriscoWilderness] Schooling
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FriscoWilderness wrote:
I respect other peoples opinion and i know about the different views about the amga. Im one of those that believe the amga has a great program for aspiring guides, and it says alot for those that take their time and money to go through it. Its not for everyone but for myself and my business I feel it brings credibility to a business that is currently unregulated where its difficult for the layman to tell the good from the bad and to make an informed decision were lives are at stake. You said it yourself, have a tax question go to a cpa, if your looking for a guide find one thats certified by one of the two major cerifying organizations in the states not just someone that says they know something, but there guides and climbers out there that feel the opposite, so we do agree on that. i didnt say their the be all end all.

There is the right way, the wrong way and a million different ways of doing things and people should respect that. I appretiate you doing your due diligence of checking my background and business before attempting to loud mouth me again, Im not hidng, my link is in my profile for everyone to see. Not sure what your attempting to do by posting it except giving us some free marketing cause im proud of who we are, what we are doing and how we do it, but it does say alot about you as a person, a loud mouth holy'er than thou, im right everyone else is wrong ass, and i hope others will be able to see that as well. As you can see we are in the amga guide program and as the lead guide at my business i feel i should at a minimum be amga RIC and thats what im doing currently along with actual experience in the realm in which we guide. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Like I said before everything that I wrote was just my opinion it didnt come from the bible. Take it for what it is worth, a grain of salt.

In case you missed the link, here it is again:

And just so you know its not personal, my company has been a fan of your facebook page when you first started construction.

Sorry i dont meet your worthiness to have an opinion.

Christopher Gibson
The North Texas Outdoor Pursuit Center

If I didn't respect your opinion or what you wrote, I would not have written such a long reply to what you wrote. I do like this post much better, a bit clearer to understand. I think people will appreciate your opinion a bit more now that they know your background.

I also believe that a public discussion about both sides of the coin will help the guiding industry. Lot's of people, including climbers, don't know you don't need a guide certification to do this for a living.

Just to be clear, I did not say AMGA's teachings are bad, what I said was they are not necessary for guiding. Especially at the entry level where the OP was asking.

The strength of AMGA is a standardized a layered approach to teaching the technical skills. I think it's biggest weakness is the reliance on the individual's integrity and honesty. Specifically guide days between Courses and Exams.)

Not sure how long you've been guiding, but RIC, a good choice for sure. Not just guides, but every climber can learn something in that course.
Good luck with the RIC, planning on taking the EXAM too?

I reiterate, getting hired as a guide doesn't require AMGA certification of any level. I really believe that a recommendation and introduction from a guide to the boss, or a introduction from one of the owner's personal climbing partner will go further than having the certificate.

I would recommend:
Find an entry level guide job.
Work there for a year/season.
Pick up some skills like dealing with people/clients.
If you're still loving it and interested, find away to pay for the AMGA program using just you guide income or ask the guide service to help cover expenses.

Like many people suggested above, get a degree in something that will open more doors. Not sure how useful a degree in Outdoor of Adventure Education will be in the next 15 years.

Personally I love my life in the climbing industry, but I took breaks along the way too. Never from climbing, but from working in the industry for sure.

When I was 17, back in the 80s, my buddy and I decided to do a wilderness climb. Hiked in, camped and climbed for two days, and hiked out. While on that trip, we had a conversation with ranger. She was gorgeous, in our adolescent minds at least. When I mentioned I wanted to be a Ranger and Work for NPS, she didn't miss a beat with her advice. Get a job that pays better, use your money to travel and enjoy the parks. best advice I ever received.

(This post was edited by guangzhou on Nov 12, 2012, 6:25 PM)

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