patto wrote:
bearbreeder wrote:
ummmm ... that petzl diagram was very specific for descending (rappelling) on a gri gri ...
I've never said otherwise.
bearbreeder wrote:
so you are saying that its 100% safe for one to go "hands free" on a gri gri if the cam is engaged ...
I have made myself quite clear.
bearbreeder wrote:
so for example is my climber is resting on the rope, the cam is fully engaged, i can let go of the brake hand ?????????
Yes. You can safely do so.
bearbreeder wrote:
of course if you are swinging around theres absolutely no chance anything will happen at all will there now
No there isn't any chance provided the cam isn't forced open. Simply swinging around wont do this.
I am not advocating rapping or belaying like this. That is a decision only you can make yourself.
But personally I am happy to rely on the grigri hands free for MY personal safety when the cam is engaged. In fact I did so a hundred or so times three days ago as I used a gri-gri method to jug up a 50m line.
Know and understand your gear. This goes beyond simply reading the instruction manual!
Likewise, my partner spent about 40 minutes typing emails on his android tablet while belaying me the other day. He had me on a gri-gri and had a grip on the brake rope so I was not concerned.
(Aid climbing is not the fastest of sports
)
we are RCers, we know better than the manufacturer when something is "100% safe" ... take those brake hands off those gri gris now ya gumbays, cause we at RC say so !!!