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josephine


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...Hey Joe...


WAT UP!!!!!!!!!

hugs and kisses

MR :lol: :lol:

YO MR!

I'm FANTABULOUS today!

HUGZZZZZZ and muahzz

How's you?How's the kids? How's the wife?
How's the dog?the cat?

How's the +++post count?
:lol: 8^)

I see the drama hits again this place... :arrow: :?: :idea: :!:

it's my fault though that's why the drama queens/kings should give me the blame...and stop the mod hunting....
It's getting old :deadhorse:

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Bye bye MR,good to see ya!!! :wink:

:Lobe:

P :mrgreen:


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YIKES -- Now we have a Mod doing the whole SEXUAL HARASSMENT thingy... :x

Ya know, Rome started out this way too........................................... :idea:


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YIKES -- Now we have a Mod doing the whole SEXUAL HARASSMENT thingy... :x

Ya know, Rome started out this way too........................................... :idea:

eh?who's a mod? :? :P


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then again, look at who some of the mods are.
As much as I love him, Bumblie - who has personally attacked and been an ass to just about every user here who he doesn't meet eye to eye with - is a mod. :lol:

You say "personally attacked", I think of it as pointing out ones obvious shortcomings. Maybe it's just that I'm incapable of picking upp on the thin-skinned nature of many of the "climbers" on this site. :lol:


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...Hey Joe...


WAT UP!!!!!!!!!

hugs and kisses

MR


YO MR!

I'm FANTABULOUS today!

HUGZZZZZZ and muahzz

How's you?How's the kids? How's the wife?
How's the dog?the cat?

How's the +++post count?


I see the drama hits again this place...

it's my fault though that's why the drama queens/kings should give me the blame...and stop the mod hunting....
It's getting old



Bye bye MR,good to see ya!!!

:Lobe:

P


yo Joe...all is good the whole family is finally well at once...so I'm off skiing next week..


as far as picking on Mods...it's easy...it's also like picking a scab...the more you do it....the more they become infected!!!!!! :D


remember...

"be there or be nose hair"

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...Hey Joe...


WAT UP!!!!!!!!!

hugs and kisses

MR


Hey pal, that's SEXUAL HARASSMENT, which is a blatant violation of the TOS!!!123456789

I demand an immediate death and dismemberment of MR, before these insidious acts of wanton disregard are allowed to continue!

....stalker..


...didn't you get busted for your sunset pics? Very nice BTW. How come you didn't take your ball and go home?


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Hehehe -- I've posted PORN on 4 seperate occassions, and only tarpitted for the 2nd one. Oddly enough, it was MODS that covered my ass on the other 3 occassions! :wink:


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What they were thinking was *probably* something like this:

"Oh, wow.... Curt's comments to this other user are way out of line, and they violate the TOS. Curt has been warned before about this sort of thing, yet he's still doing it. I'll consult with the other mods, ask them for input, and then decide on an appropriate action. In the meantime, I'll ask Curt to refrain from making such offensive and inappropriate posts."

Or something like that.

Actually, from reading between the lines, it was probably something closer to, "Oh Shit. Curt has pissed off (insert advertiser name). Christ, what am I going to do. We need to shut him up - quick! Wait. I'll post in M&E asking for support in tarpitting him and then send him a warning."

(said moderators posts in M&E and then quickly goes back to controversial thread.)

"Shit, the flame war is still going on. Shit Shit Shit. What do I do? Fuck, I hate this. Damn it, Curt. Stop"

(remembers the tarpit)

"Well, I can tarpit him so that he cant respond very often. That will help. I'll do that and then post in M&E that I've tarpitted him and offer to undo it if anyone disagrees."

(moderator tarpits Curt. Curt gets pissed, posts in community one final time, and then leaves.)

On a separate note, it is my understanding that this advertiser has made a fuss in the past regarding the content of rc.com, and the advertiser was told that rc.com wont discipline its users to satisify an advertiser. (good, ethical response - then again, the admin team was substantially different at the time.)

However, now the advertiser is pissed because someone in management doesnt like their product. That's just lame. It's lame of the advertiser to be so petty, and it's lame of rc.com to roll over and discipline one of its mainstay users to pacify an advertiser. Not to mention the fact that it is a completely unethical way to handle business relations.

I know that there are high hopes of rc.com using its membership to become some high roller website, but really - the more that you treat us like crap, the more that we're going to find other places to hang out - which means that your precious numbers will begin to dwindle, and the people who you once changed values and altered ethics for wont give much of a shit about you either.


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Amber:

An answer like that can only deserve a cookie... (Ignore the "Got Milk?" part though, because you would have to grow breasts first) :twisted:

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Curt left because he was asked to not do something offensive. What does that tell you about the quality of him as a person?

I know the guy and this sounds like a lie to me. No doubt Curt can be confrontational, and yes even offensive (few people are never offensive) but I know for a fact that if Curt were treated in a respectful and reasonable fashion that he would respond in kind.

Personally, I find your implication thay Curt is somehow lacking in quality as a person highly offensive. And I feel you owe him an apology.


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Personally, I find your implication thay Curt is somehow lacking in quality as a person highly offensive. And I feel you owe him an apology.
^ WORD!


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Curt left because he was asked to not do something offensive. What does that tell you about the quality of him as a person?

I know the guy and this sounds like a lie to me. No doubt Curt can be confrontational, and yes even offensive (few people are never offensive) but I know for a fact that if Curt were treated in a respectful and reasonable fashion that he would respond in kind.

Personally, I find your implication thay Curt is somehow lacking in quality as a person highly offensive. And I feel you owe him an apology.


Wow. You sound so angry that you could spit! And stamp your foot. More than once, no less.


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Personally, I find your implication thay Curt is somehow lacking in quality as a person highly offensive. And I feel you owe him an apology.
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Oh please! If everyone on this site got the apology they deserved for less than flattering implications posted here... curt would have a helluva lot of apologizing to do himself.

Ego and narcissism are big components clearly. I'll be the first to raise my hand and admit, guilty, guilty as charged. It always comes as a blow when others do not see the same value we see in ourselves. The temptation to lash out, to take our marbles and leave, is powerful.

The thinking or people like curt and me is that we tend to believe our positive contributions excuse our lapses. We become insulted and demoralized when we discover not everyone shares our high opinions of ourselves.

That is the biggest component in all this and you folks are just kidding yourselves if you think otherwise.

That said, when you muzzle a contributor in favor of an advertiser complaint, if that is truly what happened, you run the risk of alienating not just the one contributor, but future contributors as well.

It is one thing for R&I or whatever to muzzle an errant staff writer to protect REI or whatever, and clearly a sound business decision as well. But if you take that impulse too far you end up with gear review editions where the only gear reviewed is that of the advertisers and the only results published are positive. It undermines the integrity of the publication. Now whether that actually matters to the readers is an open question.

In terms of 'taking his marbles with him'...

rrrAdam demonstrated in no uncertain terms that posted contributions are at continual risk if the OP leaves them behind. Compendiums of posters, ie 'best of' readers digest like posts, where someone takes it upon himself to republish the works of others without bothering iwht little niceities such as permission, are another example. Until concrete copyright protections are implemented and posted for all to see and read, until the volunteer mods have their edit privileges taken away from them for good, this is the only sound course for a departing contributor to take. Surely you see that?

I'm sorry if that stings the management and mods. Actually I only care about management, I hope you mods take it to heart and take it personally. You have no business, ever, editing the contributioins of your peers on this site, for any reason whatsoever. That you take these liberties with works you cannot yoursleves produce says as much about you as the actions of egomaniacs like me and curt say about us.

We're an interesting carnival mirror, all of us.

Protect the copyrights! Your integrity is at stake.

Cheers
DMT


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What they were thinking was *probably* something like this:

"Oh, wow.... Curt's comments to this other user are way out of line, and they violate the TOS. Curt has been warned before about this sort of thing, yet he's still doing it. I'll consult with the other mods, ask them for input, and then decide on an appropriate action. In the meantime, I'll ask Curt to refrain from making such offensive and inappropriate posts."

Or something like that.

Actually, from reading between the lines, it was probably something closer to, "Oh s---. Curt has pissed off (insert advertiser name). Christ, what am I going to do. We need to shut him up - quick! Wait. I'll post in M&E asking for support in tarpitting him and then send him a warning."

(said moderators posts in M&E and then quickly goes back to controversial thread.)

"s---, the flame war is still going on. s--- s--- s---. What do I do? f---, I hate this. Damn it, Curt. Stop"

(remembers the tarpit)

"Well, I can tarpit him so that he cant respond very often. That will help. I'll do that and then post in M&E that I've tarpitted him and offer to undo it if anyone disagrees."

(moderator tarpits Curt. Curt gets pissed, posts in community one final time, and then leaves.)

On a separate note, it is my understanding that this advertiser has made a fuss in the past regarding the content of rc.com, and the advertiser was told that rc.com wont discipline its users to satisify an advertiser. (good, ethical response - then again, the admin team was substantially different at the time.)

However, now the advertiser is pissed because someone in management doesnt like their product. That's just lame. It's lame of the advertiser to be so petty, and it's lame of rc.com to roll over and discipline one of its mainstay users to pacify an advertiser. Not to mention the fact that it is a completely unethical way to handle business relations.

I know that there are high hopes of rc.com using its membership to become some high roller website, but really - the more that you treat us like crap, the more that we're going to find other places to hang out - which means that your precious numbers will begin to dwindle, and the people who you once changed values and altered ethics for wont give much of a s--- about you either.

thanks for the response. i think though, that the traffic will always be high. you get the cyber popularity whores who hang out here, plus the new people.... there's a honeymoon period i guess....


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Until concrete copyright protections are implemented and posted for all to see and read, until the volunteer mods have their edit privileges taken away from them for good, this is the only sound course for a departing contributor to take. Surely you see that?

They have been. We no longer have the ability to edit posts. Only remove or leave as is.

A point of clarification -- the tarpit was issued not issued to Curt directly because of advertiser's complaints. The offending posts were over the top and consequences would have occured if he directed those comments to any member of the site. It's my opinion that because of who the exchange was with, it made it even less likely that Curt's comments would be overlooked or ignored.

But it was the entire thread that was removed because it was an incendiary topic that was causing a rift between RC.com and potential business partners. Those are the only changes made directly as the result of advertisers complaints. Debate those merits if you wish, but those complaints weren't the motive behind any sactions on any particular member.

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Curt left because he was asked to not do something offensive. What does that tell you about the quality of him as a person?

I know the guy and this sounds like a lie to me. No doubt Curt can be confrontational, and yes even offensive (few people are never offensive) but I know for a fact that if Curt were treated in a respectful and reasonable fashion that he would respond in kind.

Personally, I find your implication thay Curt is somehow lacking in quality as a person highly offensive. And I feel you owe him an apology.

Wow. You sound so angry that you could spit! And stamp your foot. More than once, no less.

I thought the important thing was to be nonoffensive. I find spitting and stamping feet highly offensive. Oh yeah, and if someone I'm climbing with starts getting shakylegs, they go immediately off belay until the shaking stops.


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to end the speculation about what happened, why doesn't someone just post the details of the thread in question.. i guess it was removed and i can't find that archive forum that used to exist. maybe i'm overlooking something...


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YES. You must have missed this:

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We can't. The post was removed. Yep. The entire post is archived because there was content in it that did more than just violate the TOS (content which was not Curt's), it offended some potential business partners.

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I guess the other question is did Samet get tarpitted? I never did see the "over the top" post, as the whole thing was being edited wildly on the spot. It was clear from what I did see that Samet wasn't blameless in the whole thing. In fact, AFAIK, he started it, although I'm not sure that matters too much unless you are on the playground or in a gun fight.

I have to speculate that the thread was removed as much as to protect Samet himself as to protect the "business relationship". The dude acted like a freaking child, and anonymously as well ( at least at first ).

Amber's play-by-play seems the most likely at this point.

From the drama sidelines, the fact that the mod who tarpitted Curt hasn't named themselves only adds to the "conspiracy" hogs. You ( the staff ) bring this shit on yourselves half the time.


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We can't. The post was removed. Yep. The entire post is archived because there was content in it that did more than just violate the TOS (content which was not Curt's), it offended some potential business partners.

Ed


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YES. You must have missed this:

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We can't. The post was removed. Yep. The entire post is archived because there was content in it that did more than just violate the TOS (content which was not Curt's), it offended some potential business partners.

Ed

yeah but someone can recount what happened basically, besides samet telling curt to go f himself.. people don't necessarily need the exact post at their disposal to keep this from going around in circles... (but i DID miss it, good call..)


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Until concrete copyright protections are implemented and posted for all to see and read, until the volunteer mods have their edit privileges taken away from them for good, this is the only sound course for a departing contributor to take. Surely you see that?

They have been. We no longer have the ability to edit posts. Only remove or leave as is.

Great news. I wasn't aware it had been implemented.

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But it was the entire thread that was removed because it was an incendiary topic that was causing a rift between RC.com and potential business partners. Those are the only changes made directly as the result of advertisers complaints. Debate those merits if you wish, but those complaints weren't the motive behind any sactions on any particular member.

Ed

Got it. A business decision was made. I haven't personally seen that this site is over the top in that respect. When my company is courting a new client it would be ill advised of me to simultaneously antagonize that client.

I have personally been thankful and have expressed those thanks to management for a thread suppression here so I would be disingenuous to say it ought not to be done.

I guess if I had to concede that there is a need for *some* moderation on a site as large as this... I would prefer a benevolent dictatorship to an Animal Farm government.

DMT


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Got it. A business decision was made. I haven't personally seen that this site is over the top in that respect. When my company is courting a new client it would be ill advised of me to simultaneously antagonize that client.
Aye, but wouldn't that also be akin to Wal-Mart enacting a strict policy that forbade their CUSTOMERS from critisizing/knocking a product or company that Wal-Mart does business with..?

Yes, me thinks it would, and if Wal-Mart were to ever enact such a rediculous policy, they would inadvertantly and unwittingly be building business' for future competitors of theirs.

This is just about $.02 worth of thought food to chew on. :?


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Aye, but wouldn't that also be akin to Wal-Mart enacting a strict policy that forbade their CUSTOMERS from critisizing/knocking a product or company that Wal-Mart does business with..?

Yes, me thinks it would, and if Wal-Mart were to ever enact such a rediculous policy, they would inadvertantly and unwittingly be building business' for future competitors of theirs.

This is just about $.02 worth of thought food to chew on. :?

Great example tgreen. My company's client list includes some of the world's largest retailers, so the subject is near and dear to me. Seriously, though Walmart is not among them, its a great example. In fact I almost used it.

I detest Walmart. I have begin to suspect Sam Walton was a Satanist bent on the destruction of the American Way. I believe Walmart has done more to destroy small town America than any other single entity, Zeus like in that their contribution outweighs all the other contenders combined.

Now Walmart is busily doing to American business what it did to Small Town America, destroying it piecemeal and exporting it closer to the shipping lanes and cheap labor.

I refuse to shop at Walmart, though I haven't been able to convince my wife to do the same and I am not in the business of dictating opinions to my wife!

Do you get the impression I detest Walmart??? I could go on for pages.

But I guarentee you this.... if my company was actively courting their business and found out I was publically blasting Walmart and Walmart complained? I'd be looking for a job post haste. Not only that, if I ran the company and was courting Walmart business and had another 500 mouths to feed and a significant long term debt to pay off? I'd fire my ass too!

Its a business decision. Rarely are these decisions clean, or built soley upon principle, but are more often economic necessity. Its just the way the gray old world works and I know you know its true. Sometimes you have to make the right decision for the wrong reasons and live with the bad taste in your mouth. That too is the American way.

Cheers
DMT


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today on the Jerry Springer show.....
he was tarpitted on a rock climbing website, and now the users are pissed! But what does this so called 'curt' have to say? What do the mods and admins think? Why did Curt just up and leave this site and his faithful followers? And are the administrators and mods of this website sleeping with the advertisers (or their family members?)
It's user against administration. Today on Springer.


... and until then, be good to yourselves....
and each other.


:lol: :lol: :roll:


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But I guarentee you this.... if my company (EMPLOYER) was actively courting their business and found out I (EMPLOYEE) was publically blasting Walmart and Walmart complained? I'd be looking for a job post haste. Not only that, if I ran the company and was courting Walmart business and had another 500 mouths to feed and a significant long term debt to pay off? I'd fire my ass too!
Agreed to an extent, but your overall logic is flawed in that your company (or Wal-Mart) would neither alienate nor terminate it's customers... It is a FACT that the end users (members) are the customers that the advertisers are trying to reach, so as long as RC maintains a commercial aspect, we are and always will be customers first and foremost!

IIRC, Curt was neither Staff nor Mod, which makes him a CUSTOMER that was regulated by the thought police, because the Staff feared that a vendors feeling may be hurt. Guess what, the RC "store manager" just lost a valued customer that has voted with his wallet and taken his business elsewhere... Also note that trickle down effects wil take place.

Now, on to the subject of *potential* Advertisers... A month and a half ago, I sent emails to top Staf members about an add contract for a company that I was marketing. I included my full contact info to include email and phone numbers, but to date, No response has ever been received. From a marketing standpoint (and I'm a Marketing Consultant) that has created a level of negative advertising on the part of RC, that will be difficult to overcome, because my client has not been amused by the lack of responses.

At this point, I think it's very safe to say that "Selective Operations" are the overiding factor here, because if paying advertisers were the main priority/obligation/concern, one might think that the ink would have long been dried on the add contract that I was trying to produce for RC! :idea:

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