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blowboarder


Feb 21, 2005, 10:52 AM
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Sorry, Tarineye, I can't see what you wrote.

You're in the tarpit, baby. :lol:


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Chopped Liver? TARPIT!!!


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Feb 21, 2005, 11:17 AM
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Sorry, Tarineye, I can't see what you wrote.

You're in the tarpit, baby. :lol:

If you can't see it it is because you killfiled me, a plan I highly recommend. I'd killfile myself if I weren't me.


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Feb 21, 2005, 11:26 AM
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T, I knew the Curt internet persona, and you sir are no Curt internet persona.


...oddly...I think internet personas' are a pigment of our imagination...


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Sorry, Tarineye, I can't see what you wrote.

You're in the tarpit, baby. :lol:

If you can't see it it is because you killfiled me, a plan I highly recommend. I'd killfile myself if I weren't me.

Nah, no killfile, just messin wit u.

But your still in the Tarpit as soon as the powers that were come to their senses and hand over Whack-A-Mole power to me. :lol:


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Sorry, Tarineye, I can't see what you wrote.

You're in the tarpit, baby. :lol:

If you can't see it it is because you killfiled me, a plan I highly recommend. I'd killfile myself if I weren't me.

Nah, no killfile, just messin wit u.

But your still in the Tarpit as soon as the powers that were come to their senses and hand over Whack-A-Mole power to me. :lol:

You know I like the way you mess with me. All is forgiven, we can get a new clown suit.

I think if you want to Whack-A-Mole me though, there is a long, long line to stand in.


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Grammar Nazi's? Tarpit!

Actually, you want a plural of "nazi," not possessive, so get rid of the apostro-[BAM!!!!!


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hahahahahaha


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Enjoy your stay, Camhead. You're gonna be in there for a long time.


(Notice correct use of "You're" and "there". :lol:


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You can assume that if someone gets tarpitted that there is a concensus about it among the Mods, and in particular, that Phil concurs.

Without refering to the specific post, a moderater pointed out a different version of this. A mod gets an idea of tarpitting someone and then runs it around a mod only forum. Regardless of the feedback, that mod can go ahead and tarpit the individual. The quote specifically mentioned that "consensus" is not needed.

We have both provide abridged versions of the process. The reason that you can assume there is consensus is that either consensus will have been reached before the person was tarpitted, or afterward. That is, if a moderator unilaterally tarpits someone, and other moderators object to it, then that moderator's decision will promptly be reversed, probably by Phil.

Mods do have the authority to unilaterally tarpit users, but it is rare that they do so, except for blatant black-and-white violations of the TOS, such as spamming. If there is likely to be controversy over an action, it is very unlikely that a mod would act unilaterally.

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You can assume that if someone gets tarpitted that there is a concensus about it among the Mods, and in particular, that Phil concurs.

Without refering to the specific post, a moderater pointed out a different version of this. A mod gets an idea of tarpitting someone and then runs it around a mod only forum. Regardless of the feedback, that mod can go ahead and tarpit the individual. The quote specifically mentioned that "consensus" is not needed.

We have both provide abridged versions of the process. The reason that you can assume there is consensus is that either consensus will have been reached before the person was tarpitted, or afterward. That is, if a moderator unilaterally tarpits someone, and other moderators object to it, then that moderator's decision will promptly be reversed, probably by Phil.

Mods do have the authority to unilaterally tarpit users, but it is rare that they do so, except for blatant black-and-white violations of the TOS, such as spamming. If there is likely to be controversy over an action, it is very unlikely that a mod would act unilaterally.

-Jay


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Feb 21, 2005, 3:23 PM
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In this case the users tarpit was downgraded to a warning and that action was communicated to the mods as well as the user.

None of us are perfect and if any of us had our time over again we would always choose different actions. Hindsight is of course 20/20 vision. Yep curt is a long time user of high standing amongst the users here. Should he be offered special privileges, should popular users be given special privileges that the less well known users shouldn`t get? It seems that this is what the users are asking. Should this site become unmoderated? That is a question that by and large has been answered already by this sites popularity.

We the mods and site managers have determined that we will continue to moderate the forums albeit to a much lesser extent than in the past. We still aim to see that civil society is operating and that the broken window syndrome is fixed so that the vast majority of users are benefited.

I personally thank everyone who has commented in this thread particularly JT512, dingus and hugepedro. Your commitment to place serious comment in a thread such as this is apreciated and indeed is taken heed of. I hope that we can do better in the future and take your concerns to heart.

I would dearly love it if curt could see his way clear to come back and participate on the site. I do hope his self imposed exile will be short lived. He would be most welcome to come back.


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The moderation of this site is excellent compared to many others.

On Friday on another board I was banned for 48 hours which is the equivalent of tarpitting I would guess. The reason was because I made the mistake of taken the opposing side in a debate which happened to be the pet issue of one of the mods. Nothing to that effect has occurred here...for me at least. I have come to this board, and expressed myself and my opinions unfettered by the moderators here regardless of how fiercely the issue was debated. That is, in my opinion, one aspect of good moderation.

Though I hated to see the end of Kodos and Curt, I have seen lesser intellects vacate the cyberspace premises of other boards or be asked to leave over much less. The Planet needs more people like Kodos, Curt, Shortfatoldguy, and Bonger.


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I personally thank everyone who has commented in this thread particularly JT512, dingus and hugepedro.

Hmm. What did Peter say that was any different than what maculated or I said? Well, aside from the fact that he mentioned being a consultant, and I merely offered to mud wrestle to the ground anyone who is in disagreement with the fact that a more effective public spokesperson is in dire need around here?


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I personally thank everyone who has commented in this thread particularly JT512, dingus and hugepedro.

Hmm. What did Peter say that was any different than what maculated or I said? Well, aside from the fact that he mentioned being a consultant, and I merely offered to mud wrestle to the ground anyone who is in disagreement with the fact that a more effective public spokesperson is in dire need around here?

Notice that she's dropped the bikini requirement.

-Jay


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Feb 21, 2005, 5:57 PM
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Dammit I forgot about the mud wrestling thing, Amber wins, hands down, slam dunk, no argument here. :lol:

Amber and maculated you girls rool.


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In this case the users tarpit was downgraded to a warning and that action was communicated to the mods as well as the user.

Sweet Jesus! And it took how many pages of bullshit for you to come out with some sort of story ( this "warning" thing seems to be new )? Did it really take this long for the mod forum to grind up this solution?

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None of us are perfect and if any of us had our time over again we would always choose different actions. Hindsight is of course 20/20 vision. Yep curt is a long time user of high standing amongst the users here. Should he be offered special privileges, should popular users be given special privileges that the less well known users shouldn`t get? It seems that this is what the users are asking.

I'm not sure this is what was being put forth. I think that when a "popular user" gets tarpitted and leaves in a hissy hit, the mod-crowd should be ready with some sort of coherent story for the peons. You could tarpit me , for instance, and not a soul would notice.

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We the mods and site managers have determined that we will continue to moderate the forums albeit to a much lesser extent than in the past. We still aim to see that civil society is operating and that the broken window syndrome is fixed so that the vast majority of users are benefited.

I think that's been obvious to anyone who can read. Seems to be working well.

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I personally thank everyone who has commented in this thread particularly JT512, dingus and hugepedro. Your commitment to place serious comment in a thread such as this is apreciated and indeed is taken heed of. I hope that we can do better in the future and take your concerns to heart.

I'll accept your heartfelt thanks for the "little names" of the site who contributed.

Murf


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I'll accept your heartfelt thanks for the "little names" of the site who contributed.

Murf

Notice I said everyone, that would definitely include you murf.

Yep, it is still a learning curve and may well always be that way as staff move in and out of responsibility. Yes we can do better and in fact this is something that the staff of the site always strive for, we want to be the best at everything we do and by and large I think we succeed. Our shortcomings are definitely pointed out to us in no uncertain terms and by and large again we do take notice of what you the users say to us. Yep we do need to give a coherent response, that is a definite.

What I cannot do is talk too much about any one particular action that has been taken against any one user. I`m particularly grateful that curt took the trouble of communicating his concerns via PM. This is as it should be and whilst this occurs I will not reveal what has been occuring behind the scenes. I and the mods also have rules which we must uphold for the sake of consistency. One is that the mods forum is a private affair and the issues discussed within shall remain private. Sorry but I can`t go against that policy.

I will however try to keep things as open and transparent as I possibly can in the future. I will try to not drop any surprises into your laps.


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...wait..

...can we get back to arguing about why this site should or shouldn't tarpit someone...and quit with the ass kissing....or at least debate the relevance of why someone should be tarpitted vs. banned...or...


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...wait..

...can we get back to arguing about why this site should or shouldn't tarpit someone...and quit with the ass kissing....or at least debate the relevance of why someone should be tarpitted vs. banned...or...

I think a little ass kissing is a good thing, as long as I am not the one kissing the asses.

Although some do not agree, all I can say about philbox is that he has done his best to be fair. He's only human. While some admins and mods may have had their own not-so-good agenda, I believe that Phil's has always been, live and let live, within reason.

MOST of the mods and admins are trying to do their best. If you have not noticed, things have changed for the better around here. But everyone makes mistakes.

Besides, real climbers are often real buttheads. There will be friction.

Time to get over it.


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another drama queen packs up and leaves?
pft
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I personally thank everyone who has commented in this thread particularly JT512, dingus and hugepedro.

Hmm. What did Peter say that was any different than what maculated or I said? Well, aside from the fact that he mentioned being a consultant, and I merely offered to mud wrestle to the ground anyone who is in disagreement with the fact that a more effective public spokesperson is in dire need around here?

Amber,
See, it's all about knowing your target audience. I noticed that the offer of mud wrestling didn't catch their attention so much, except for Jay, so I threw out "free consulting", which everyone knows is actually code for "sweet man-lovin". See how that works?


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Amber,
See, it's all about knowing your target audience. I noticed that the offer of mud wrestling didn't catch their attention so much, except for Jay, so I threw out "free consulting", which everyone knows is actually code for "sweet man-lovin". See how that works?

I do so very much hope that was directed at amber and not me, I feel so dirty, I have been violated, oh the pain of it all. :shock: :oops:


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Hey Phill...let me know about the thing in the place with the stuff asap please. :lol:


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I personally thank everyone who has commented in this thread particularly JT512, dingus and hugepedro.

Hmm. What did Peter say that was any different than what maculated or I said? Well, aside from the fact that he mentioned being a consultant, and I merely offered to mud wrestle to the ground anyone who is in disagreement with the fact that a more effective public spokesperson is in dire need around here?

Amber,
See, it's all about knowing your target audience. I noticed that the offer of mud wrestling didn't catch their attention so much, except for Jay, so I threw out "free consulting", which everyone knows is actually code for "sweet man-lovin". See how that works?

touche. i'll go buy a strap-on. ;)

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