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drector
Jul 19, 2005, 12:30 AM
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In reply to: However, those that found the plane and its cargo after the crash turned their harvest into all kinds of endeavors and investments that have led to some great things in the climbing/mountaineering world.
If "harvest" were changed to "drug sales" then this story would be technically more accurate. I would think that writing a book like this requires utmost accuracy.
In reply to: So far, there have been less than six people on a total of seven climbing bulletin boards that reach from the West coast to the UK that have held a negative position about this book.
I think I must be missing something because I never commented about the book itself. I'd buy the book in a second because it is a great part of the US climbing history. At least part of the cultural history. I also have nothing against those who participated in those dealings. I don't even know them although I think I would like to. I just think that earlier posts I've seen, that say some people improved their lives, bla bla bla... without stating that they sold drugs to do so, was a little bit inaccurate by ommission.
I also think climbers are pretty clever and that some or all of these people that turned their profit into successful ventures would have been successful anyways. It's the people that make business successful, not the money.
Dave
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okie_redneck
Jul 19, 2005, 1:20 AM
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I wish you the bast of luck with this book. Please let us all know when you get a definite publishing date so we can all get a copy. Also ignore the ignorant comments of a few blowhards here. They get sand in their vaginas over a dog in the campsite next to them, so anything positive arising from a story involving marajuana sales/use has a tendancy to really grind that sand in. If they didn't have something to bitch about, they'd probably stop climbing entirely. It's funny that those are the people who could really use a joint.
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ricknie
Jul 19, 2005, 2:50 AM
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Oakie, thank you. You are correct on a number of your observations.
Stay tuned, when the book goes to print we'll be happy to let the board know.
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petsfed
Jul 20, 2005, 8:11 AM
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In reply to: And if I pimped my daughters out I could buy some more climbing gear, maybe take a road trip too. Doesn't make it right. Sounds like an interesting story, but you'll never convince me that more harm wasn't done by the folks selling all this dope than by the "good" that came from it. I lived that lifestyle when I was younger and I know all to well all the sorts of things that go on because of "harmless" marijuana. Anyone that thinks that the world wouldn't be better off without recreational drugs, including marijuana, probably has used a little too much already. Good luck with your book.
Beating a dead horse here, but the thing you seem to be missing here is that the drugs would've been sold regardless of the plane's safe arrival at its destination. At worst, this crash slowed down the particularly unscrupulous people that make the drug trade the nasty business it is. At best, you had a group of climbers who didn't resort to impromptu amputations to sell their marijauna.
Its a value judgement. Given, the users still lose, but think about who gained from this. Is it better that some climbers had better lives? Or that drug dealers had more money to continue their nasty business? Which is better? That's the point. In a perfect world, when the plane crashed, its entire cargo would've burned. But its not a perfect world, and at least somebody other than the drug cartels benefitted.
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paddy
Jul 26, 2005, 6:34 PM
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I can't really help with names, but I remember that crash. A number of climbers (I won't mention any names) headed up to the crash site, looking to get some free grass. I was going to head up but had second thoughts. I have to say though, that there was a certain buzz (nop pun intended) in the Valley about the incident.
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mtnbkrxtrordnair
Jul 26, 2005, 6:46 PM
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In reply to: In a perfect world, when the plane crashed, its entire cargo would've burned.
In a perfect world, I would have been standing downwind when it happened.
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noshoesnoshirt
Jul 26, 2005, 7:21 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: They benefited by selling drugs that ended up in the hands of 9-year-old kids at the elementary school. Dave Yep. And the kids probably knocked over a liquor store to get the money. Then they prostituted themselves and started shooting heroin into their eyeballs. Eat me. I'm sorry. I just thought that the only way to make money from drugs is to sell them. I'm sure peoples lives didn't get better because they smoked the pot and somehow became business moguls. I guess I was wrong. And don't say "Eat me." to me jackass. I didn't say s--- like that to you. Dave
I think you missed what was a bit too subtle of a sarcastic note in my comment. Nine year old kids don't exactly constitute a large portion of drug consumers.
You seem to believe that drugs are unequivically bad. I'm OK with that. Just don't ever again drink beer, or coffee, or a caffienated beverage, or use aspirin or ibuprofin, or take cough medicine, or avail yourself of antibiotics or anti-inflammatories.
Heck, let's look at that mainstay of realistic thinking, "D.A.R.E.", and see what they have to say about drugs.
In reply to: A drug can be defined as any chemical substance which alters the way a person's body or mind works. This does not include food, air and liquid which our bodies need to work properly.
Oh yeah, by the way, eat me.
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ricknie
Jul 27, 2005, 3:30 AM
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Ya gotta love it when people can stay on point. Must be either the drugs or the lack of drugs. Either way, the point of this thread is to ask people that might have stories to tell about the incident to get in touch with me.
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clintoris
Jul 27, 2005, 4:21 PM
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In reply to: I wish you the bast of luck with this book. Please let us all know when you get a definite publishing date so we can all get a copy. Also ignore the ignorant comments of a few blowhards here. They get sand in their vaginas over a dog in the campsite next to them, so anything positive arising from a story involving marajuana sales/use has a tendancy to really grind that sand in. If they didn't have something to bitch about, they'd probably stop climbing entirely. It's funny that those are the people who could really use a joint.
yeah some of these people need a back-hoe...
...to dig all the sand out of their pussies.
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ricknie
Aug 1, 2005, 2:26 AM
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Clint, thanks for driving my point home.
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ricknie
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Its been quite a long time since I've posted an update.
So far I've interviewed over two dozen people that were involved either directly or indirectly with this event.
What has surfaced is that there are many that either claim to have been involved or have let it be believed that they were, have not. They never participated. On the other hand, some of the stories from those that really did attend have been amazing! Some truly humorous stories that have come from their participation in this 30 year old event turned mystery turned legend.
I thank all that have been willing to come forward and tell me what really went on back thirty years ago.
I'm not finished. So, again, anyone that has any stories to tell about the event, please contact me.
Rick
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ricknie
Nov 3, 2005, 7:39 AM
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By the way, if anyone can educate me on how to post photos, I have some
of the crash site I'd love to show.
Help!
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First of all, to post photos, they need to be uploaded to a server somewhere on the web.
Then, open a browser window and go to the page with said picture on it, right-click, select "properties" and copy the URL it gives you.
Now in your post, type
http://url_for_the_image_you_just_got
and voila!
If you don't have your photos uploaded anywhere, you might be able to put them up here on RC.com
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ricknie
Nov 12, 2005, 7:41 AM
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Make it easy...don't they? LOL....NOT
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gullwing19
Nov 12, 2005, 8:51 AM
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Hey!
Who's parkin on the puffer. Pass dat bi-atch
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ricknie
Nov 12, 2005, 7:13 PM
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Or, as the old guys would say, "Quit Bogarting"
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brucec
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You probably have all the previously published info you need....but you might check back issues for a magazine called Mountain Gazette - I recall reading about this in the late '70's in that mag.
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ricknie
Nov 27, 2005, 8:27 AM
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brucec...Yep, believe it or not, it was that column that turned "us" on to the entire climbing side of the crash. Last April was when we googled the name of the pilot, the crash site, and others and found out about what went on in Yosemite outside of the crash that we knew about. Our knowledge was from the plane, its cargo, and its history.
Thanks for the thought...its been what has led us to some great stories.
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hossjulia
Nov 28, 2005, 7:49 PM
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Great thread! Just found it looking for something else.
I had the privilege of sitting around a campfire this summer hearing stories of this very crash.
Unfortunately, my short term memory is shot, and I can't remember any of the names involved. Will look forward to the book. After hearing the rumors for years, it'll be good to have a fact-based book about it. That's how the camp fire discussion got started, I asked if they knew anything about it, and got a story that went on for, well, a while, complete with side stories and spray.
The web of connections that have come down from this crash is truly amazing. Connections. Being made every day that we don't, and won't ever know about. Unless it involves something of this magnitude.
Keep us posted here about the book, and condolences to Pam and her daughter.
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ricknie
Dec 28, 2005, 1:32 AM
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Sorry to let this lay for as long as it did. HJ, you are hitting the nail on the head with your posting. There have been so many rumors that have tuned into fact over the years that some have forgotten what went on even as they themselves participated in it. Thirty yeas is still a long time and for many it has been a foggy trip...so to speak.
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aspiringmonkey
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UMMMMMM.....chronic
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In reply to: You seem to believe that drugs are unequivically bad. I'm OK with that. Just don't ever again drink beer, or coffee, or a caffienated beverage, or use aspirin or ibuprofin, or take cough medicine, or avail yourself of antibiotics or anti-inflammatories.
That's some kind of religious perspective, isn't it?
Great thread!
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ricknie
I forgot to tell you that there are several pictures out there on this. The one I remember best is of the propellor and the gear piles at the lake. People would ski in, dump their gear out, & load their packs ( I believe the Kelty Tioga was prefered for it size ) with as much of the bales as they could get their hands on. For a long time the valley was so saturated that you almost couldn't give it away. As to the pilots-- they supposedly weren't the only one's who died in this affair. The original discoverers were rumored to have met w/ untimely & suspicious deaths -- can't say, but that was the word in the valley way back then. I'm curious, did you hear about the briefcase & that whole story?
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alvinswill
Mar 6, 2006, 1:12 AM
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The book was "Angels of Light" by Jeff Long circa 84 or so.
Some funny history goes along with the book. It was optioned by a small production company in 87. I was brought in to help out with the screenplay. Anyhow the draft went all over the place and ended up rewritten at least a dozen times and ended up as the film "Cliff Hanger." No dope in it at this point, only large amounts of cash and Sly Stallone saving the day.
A fair amount of people made some money out of the crash. It was funny because people who you had known for sometime who had always been broke all of the sudden had cars and actual climbing gear.
Good luck with the book.
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ricknie
Mar 7, 2006, 6:05 AM
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7robbster3, any idea where those images might be?
As for the four that first found the crash site, only one is still living. I know who he is. The wife of one of them lives not far from me and we've been in touch.
About the brief case, as usual, I've heard a number of stories as well as what the pilot and copilot actually carried. Some are correct, some are a little bit loose and some are pretty far out there. Either way you cut it, the stories are great.
Alvinswill, after I found a used copy of "Angels of Light" and after reading it I talked to the pilot's wife to see just how much of it was true. Pretty amazing facts considering it was a novel. I've talked to Jeff Long. His take on the book and the movie make for great listening.
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