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Do these things work as well as the Halogen style? How about battery life?


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I have a friend with one that we used to walk out from a climbing spot at night. It worked great and didn't seem to dim in the time that we had it on. We used it steady for about 20-30 minutes. I am not sure how fresh the batteries were when we started, but they seemed to do fine for that period of time.


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I have used mine for a bunch of months now, on-and-off a few times a month.

I'm still on my first set of batteries, and no noticeable dimming.

The BD moonlight has a runtime of 70 hours of useable light (useable light being defined as "You can see the bottom of your pack, or you can see your feet climbing, or you can set up a rapell/rescue")

- d.


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I got one and it works great. I use it all the time. mine has a battery life of 1,000 hrs on 2 AA batteries.

its well worth the purchase.


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I've got the Petzl Tikka, love it & the batteries last for ages. I even went caving with it, no probs, plenty of light.


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LED headlights kick ass, they don't have a strong beam like halogen lamps but they're not supposed to anyway, battery life is above 70 hours for most models, I have had the BD moonlight for 3 months and I still haven't changed the batteries, I use it all the time and due to the small size and nearly unnoticeable weight I take it everywhere, even if I'm driving at night. they work fine for night trekking.

where climbing is concerned... LED headlamps are great, I've climbed at night with mine on and didn't have any trouble. don't expect to see too far though, I wouldn't trad with that thing on.


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Battery life is great. I've used a little Petzl headlamp for quite some time without replacing the batteries.

I find that the headlamp is great for close work (bouldering, reading, on the trail). Where it is wanting, is when you need to look beyond 10 or so feet. For example, on a trail at night, it works great for what is right at your feet, but looking ahead to decide which way to go doesn't work.

I swear by it for night bouldering. Batteries last "forever" and you barely know that you have it on.

B


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Princeton Tec Aurora http://www.karstsports.com/printecaurle.html
I really like mine, the best part is the angle of the lamp is adjustable and it has 5 settings, no other lamp has the 5 settings and the Petzel is not adjustable...


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No one has mentioned this yet, so...
They don't work so well in snow. If you are leading on a glacier at night it is better to have a traditional headlamp. When we climb on a glacier now, we make sure we have at least one traditional headlamp for the team.


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I just bought the Black Diamond Gemini headlamp about two montha ago. I have used it almost every weekend. The specs of the headlamp say that the LED light has 1000 hrs. of light from only 3 AAA batteries. The bonus of the Gemni is that it also has a halogen bulb in it, this way you can switch back and forth with ease.


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I have a tikka and a buddy of mine has a tikka we both have had problems with it dimming. If you tap it goes back to normal most of the time. He actually took his back and got another one and it does the same thing. Its a great light weight light for the pack....I would not buy another petzl tikka I would probably try a Black Diamond if I got another one not to mention that you can adjust that one. I do have a Zoom though and love it.


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I have the Zipka, and use it to lead Trad routes at night at J-Tree. Plenty of light, and lasts much longer than the halogen lamps. I've used mine for 3 months quite a bit on the same batteries.




rrrADAM


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rrrADAM is hardcore

I used to do that cept I had to hold the little mag light flashlight in my teeth, yeah I was hardcore!

Now i Have a sissy tikka and think it is awesome!


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I have a BD Gemeni (LED and Halogen) and love it! I also have an LED light on my keychain, which sees more use than all my oither flashlights combined! The only disadvantage to these white LED's is that they don't throw light very far. They light up a wide angle, though, so they are ideal to seeing things close to where you are. The best thing about them is that the light is much whiter than bulbs, so you don't really need as much and things are clearer.

I tend to use the halogen bulb for actual climbing and the LED for everything else. I love having both. I want the BD Spaceshot with the voltage regulator, though. Man that would be nice!

I guess I am a gearhead.


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 I have the Petzl tikka. It works great for hiking out of your climbing spots at night. Nice natural light to!


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I have the Petzl Tikka headlamp. I love it, better than My halogen because battery life is 70 hours and the bulb life is 7 yrs. It can clip directly into my helmet, and when I vertically decend into caves, Its great to fit into a small space and provide great lighting. I hihgly reccomend them


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I love my Tikka, xcept I wish it had a dimmer setting. Sometimes camping with it, its like a big headlight, its so strong But its great for night climbing and its strong enough that you can use it to point out stuff to the climber up to about 15-20 feet


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i have the zipka. quite fun... very very bright. i made the accident of looking into the light and was blinded for some time. it's great... hasn't dimmed at all....

i even used it to set up a tent for the first time in the pitch dark! unfortunately the flies really liked the light.... but all was okay.


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I've led, rapped, and downclimbed the friction route at Tahquitz many times with my Petzl Tikka. It is a little dim for the trail, but I can personally attest that it is infinitely better than staggering down hill in search of the Ernie Max trail by moonlight!

I like it so much, I bought a Zipka to keep in my pack as a spare (for less prepared partners).

-jjf


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My Petzl Tikka ruled until some rat bastard stole it at Indian Creek.


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My BD moonlight works great for those midnight jaunts to the kitchen, but the blue slight freaks out my dog and wakes up my wife


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  Hey - I really love mine! It is lightweight and it came with an extra battery (even though I haven't had to use it yet). Have fun shopping for one. They are worth the purchase.

JULES


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I have 2 Tikka's and one has that "on/off" problem. I think the case gets a little warped or something. You can sqeeze on the case and it comes back on. I know several other people with this problem (backpackers mostly). Know one guy with a wiring problem on the moonlight. I compared beams with a climber with a Gemini and it seems to focus the beam better, little more distance, plus being able to switch to halogen on the fly.


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the LED headlamps are the way to go. They are getting lighter and smaller all the time. Go to
www.ems.com and check out the Black Diamond Ion.
It is an E.M.S. excusive item at this time so you won't find it anywhere else! The batteries last forever in the led lamps.


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I got a BD Gemini about 5 months ago. Hands down the best headlamp for the money. I own 3 other headlamps, and each has it's own issues that made the gemini an obvious purchase. 3 AA batteries allow for 1000 hours of LED time, and something like 10 hours on the halogen. The switch design is very good, and does not turn itself on like Petzl headlamps do. I've found the combination of LED and halogen to be perfect for all types of climbing - rock, ice, and mountaineering.

2 drawbacks: Beam is not focusable. It is pretty good as it is, but I really like the ability of the traditional Petzl lamps to go from beam to flood and back with a simple twist. Also, I've felt the LED could stand to be brighter. I would be willing to sacrifice half the burn time (ie 500 hours) if they added a second LED bulb.

If you're on a budget and only want to buy 1 headlamp, this is the one to get.

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Seems like the consensus is that the Tikka is great for climbing, but not so great for walk-offs. I am more concerned about having to walk off in the dark. Any thoughts? Is the BD better for that?


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I bought my Tikka in Jan and I'm still on my first set of batteries, I mostly use it for walking out, its light and gives off plenty of light,to date i've had no problems with the on/off switch

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They rock. Better light, longer life.


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Kmae, the big thing about the BD Gemini vs a tikka is that they really are 2 different classes of headlamps. If you are looking for something "just is case" you get caught in the dark, and have low weight as your most important criteria, then the tikka or zipka is the way to go. If you want a headlamp that you actually *plan* to use (pre-dawn approaches, post-sunset descents, midnight starts for mountaineering summits, etc) the versatility of the BD Gemini will be invaluable. I almost always use just the LED and save the battery life. But when the trail gets thin and I need more light - bam, turn on the halogen. It's also nice if you happen to be climbing in the dark to be able to get that nice bright beam and shine it around to look for key holds, belay bolts, rap stations, or various route features.



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The battery life is great! They are also pretty bright, good for small task work.


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My wife and I really like her Tikka. I disagree with the "not good for night hiking/walkoffs". In Jan. we did a backpack trip out to the WA coast. Night hike in. My princeton tec solo died on the way in (one mile trail...no make that mud slick through dense forest canopy). The two of us did fine by the light of the tikka. It did well when we had to scramble over drift logs on the beach (OK, so we had the moon helping by then).


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One more vote for the Zipka.....I love mine and have hiked many times in the dark with it without a problem. If you are lookign for a true back up headlight take a look at the BD Ion. Super small and about as bright as a Tikka and only weighs about an oz. That one is for my fishing pack though.......


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Tmunny and I work together and he has a couple of hedlamps, the led is great and dosen't use a fraction of the battery that halogens do. He has had these for 3 or 4 months and hasn't had to change batteries yet and we use them a couple of times a week.


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I have the black diamond moon light. I've climbed with it.(It gave me enough light)
Hiked around the crags at night(Enough light if you know where the trail is)

I would not want it as my only light sorce for any thing challenging. But it great for cooking and doing stuff around camp
70hrs usable light. The Thing I like about the black diamond is the pivating head!


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i have a question for people who have the bd moonlight. i have seen pictures of it and it appears that the led bulbs are sort of exposed and unprotected, at least more than the tikka's bulbs. it seems to me that they might be more likely to break but i dont know as i've never used one or seen it up close. if you've had any experience with this please post. thanks.


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Led lights rock....I use one when I go camping...my batteries usually last at least 40 hrs.


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Check out this LED headlamp. Never heard of it before.

*http://www.flashlightavenue.com/septor.html


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If you are looking for an LED headlight, check out the Princeton Tech Matrix.

It is interchangeable between LED and incandescant/halogen. I havent seen any othe LEd lights in action, s I cant compare their brightness or whatever, but the Matrix is an extremely comfortable lamp, and for those times when you need the extra brightness of incandescent/halogen, its a simple change.


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[quote "mtnsprts"]Led lights rock....I use one when I go camping...my batteries usually last at least 40 hrs.[/quote]

Are they too expensive? I am looking to purchase them


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You mean these?



$18 @ Home Depot
http://www.homedepot.ca/...ed-rock-light/916376


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Tiaoch wrote:
Are they too expensive? I am looking to purchase them


In the 10 years since the person before you posted, the prices have dropped so far that they are almost paying you to take them. So no, they are not too expensive. Furthermore, everything about them has gotten better. Circuits leak less, lights are brighter, last longer, some have dual or triple modes so you can choose brightness level, and they have also gotten smaller. Everyone should have at least 2. I stuff one into my trad chalkbag zippered pockets alnog with a mini-knife and a mini lighter and it stays there all the time. My biggest issue is that I don't take my trad chalkbag out all the time.


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