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When you go to a crag, and see a female climber among guys, do you assume she is the girlfirend of one of them, or someone who just got dragged along to see what climbing is? And using that assumption, you only address the guys about the route, excluding female? That may be the case some of the time, but also make room for the fact that she is a skilled climber, has the beta, and can climb the route and just as well as any of the guys. I'm not saying you have to go right up to the female any time you have question about a route, but don't disregard her as someone who's just "along to watch". It's just something to be aware of the next time you hit the crag.

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Do I do that?

No.

I don't assume anything. If there is a climber who happens to be female, I base my first impressions on the way she carries herself/state of her gear/knowledgability - same as I would a guy. It doesn't matter what type of plumbing you have.

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I wouldn't say that I see her as less than an equal climber, but do usually assume that she is 'with' one of the guys in the group. I'll address her equally when asking about the route they're on or asking about beta. In my experience, many girls who start climbing learn to climb with/from their significant other. Although this seems to be a declining trend.


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...which is what I'd hope the attitued of most climbers would be. It's more that this has happened to me on more than one occasion, and it doesn't seem that uncommon for female climbers in general. I don't sit around waiting for stuff to happen- I set up TR, flake the rope, take the first lead, etc. It's just something I've noticed- even as far as some guys don't take you seriously until after they've seen whether or not you can climb. I'm assuming (and hoping!) that the climbers I'm talking about are in the minority.


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I bet it feels good to see all those guys with their foot in their mouth after you lead the climb they just hung all over, especially if they treat you how you're saying. I wouldn't worry too much about it, those guys are posers anyway.

Ironically, yesterday a girl (who was climbing with a group of girls) came up to me and asked me for a recommendation between two 10a's on the same wall we were climbing. She completely ignored my (female) partner when asking if I had climbed the other 10a and which one was more 'classic'. The rest of her group came over and we all had a nice conversation, but when asking for beta/route info, she came to me and ignored my partner. Perhaps this isn't a male only phenomenon?

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The situation that you describe is more of a social interaction thing than a climbing thing. If the guys are all mucles , tatoos and attitude then I don't even hardly make eye contact with the woman. (self preservation) If everone in the group seems pretty harmless and of equal social stature then i treat everyone equaly. If my girlfriend is with me then i may feel uncomfortable talking to a woman who overly flaunts her sex as I do not want to look like I am only talking to her because her boobs are hanging out and her thong is showing. If you wnt to be treated equaly and on the merit of your climbing instead of your sex then hang out with people who treat you with respect and as an equal. If you are with a bunch of meat heads you may be treated like their property. To be looked at but not spoken to.


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The guys I climb with are hardly the meathead, all-attitude, tats all over type! Just normal climbers, friendly and social guys. And I'm definitely not "property"! :)


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the dude who taught me to climb was taught by a girl who is still better than us


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I've had almost exclusively women partners in my first year of climbing (one of whom being my girlfriend), have generally been the least experienced of the group (though an equal to stronger climber) and am fully aware that there are strong, experienced, smart women climbers
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that being said, in a group of climbers I would be more inclined to approach the guys. My thinking would be that someone with a similar body type to me--6'1" + lanky--would climb in a similar style/enjoy similar routes. More importantly, though, even at 23 I'm still deathly afraid of girls.

Also of note--I've had my partners referred to as my "girlfriend" and vice-versa.

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Smart male climbers wait till the guys are distracted, THEN he asks the only female present for the beta!

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A beginner or someone along for the ride is easy to spot. Male or Female.

I take someone seriously or not because they are serious or not. Nothing to do with genitalia.


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I think if you have been climbing for a little while you can spot the good climber (male or female) right away. There's just something about the way they carry themselves and if you hear them talk you can (or I can at least) tell within a few sentences if they are noob or hardman(or hardwoman).


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Maybe it also depends on where you go? I'm currently living in a very conservative place, and about 90% of the female climbers at the crags are only there because their bf's make them (which is very sad). So unless the girl doesn't appear in a very prominent way to be a "serious" climber, I wouldn't ask her for beta etc.

This was totally different in Scotland where I climbed a bit last year - there were more girls than guys climbing, and everyone seemed experienced, regardless of their sex.


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Nope. I observe the dynamics of the interaction between the woman and her male partners. If it looks like she's not with any of the guys, then I make my move! 8^)

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Girls skilled climbers? Ha! Now that's funny!


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In the circle of climbers I know, a good portion of the strongest are women. Therefore I tend to not make gender assumptions when I run into climbers. The sad thing is, in the area I climb in the _vast_ majority of female climbers at the crag tend to be GFs or part of a social outing. If I am not careful I can start to make assumptions, but for the most part I don't.

I will say that, again in the area I live, you will hardly ever see a couple climbing together where the woman is a stronger, more experienced climber than the guy. I think there are few men or women out there who would really be comfortable with that scenario--women still want men that they can admire for their strength and men want to fell strong. I personally would be happy to break the tradition, but all the strong women climbers won't talk to me. :)


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Oh, yeah...I'd much rather talk to a lady then a group of guys. Call me strange...


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When my wife and I go out to dinner it seems that >50% of the time the server puts the check next to my wife. I don't get it. Maybe not shaving in two weeks and not cutting my hair for a year makes them think she's hooking the local homeless guy up with a meal? :)

At the crag, the only reason I would talk to guys of a group instead of a women would be to avoid any question of the appearance of flirting with or trying to pick up the girl (as someone mentioned above). As long as the scene seems okay and the other guys are around (i.e. I might hesitate to go up to her when she was separated from the group, cause that definitely looks suspicious) I would not care whether it was the girl or the guy I talked to. I do think that it is not just the tat covered meatheads that get jealous. I've seen the nicest of shy guys get pretty possessive real quick, even when she's not their girlfriend, and I don't want to be the one that helps bring a bad vibe to the crag. So I guess the key is to tread lightly until you figure out the group dynamics and/or make intentions clear.

(N.B. if I didn't talk to the girl it would be to avoid the guys not liking me "flirting" with "their girl", not because of my wife, she knows I've got nothing. :)

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Girls skilled climbers? Ha! Now that's funny!

I know about a dozen girls who put your tick list to shame there buddy.


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Nope. I observe the dynamics of the interaction between the woman and her male partners. If it looks like she's not with any of the guys, then I make my move! 8^)

:P
bingo that's just what i do! 8^)

it's about then my wife slaps the crap outta me - never good! :shock:

seriously - i talk to all persons like any of them so as not to offend - then glean info from all


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I ignore the guys and start telling the girl about the route that I want to do, and that If I don't do it is cause I'm thinking about her while I'm doing it.


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I ignore the guys and start telling the girl about the route that I want to do, and that If I don't do it is cause I'm thinking about her while I'm doing it.


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Girls skilled climbers? Ha! Now that's funny!

First, i'd like to say nice troll. But just in case you're being serious I know about a dozen girls that put your ticklist to shame.


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Girls skilled climbers? Ha! Now that's funny!

Don't make me kick your butt, pal! :x


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Usually when I see a girl at the cliff, I beeline it right over to talk to her. Dudes get all weird when I tell them their harness makes their butt look cute. I don't know what the problem is :lol: :lol:

Seriously though, it's nice to see a girl who can keep up with guys. I especially like to watch a girl school the shit out of the local egobomb. That's my fav. Plus, they smell better, and not only that, they don't sweat, they glow :twisted:


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It has been my experience that very often the quiet girl hanging back watching will often kick the ass of every guy she's with once its her turn.


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I assume all climbers I meet at the crag are equally incompetent and unskilled.

But then I proceed to talk only to the men, mostly because my girlfriend gets jealous pretty easily.

Female climber - do you do this?
Never look at the guidebook; assume it is your boyfiend's (aka guide's) responsibility to select a route for you that perfectly suits your style and is not too reachy or too powerful or too sharp, but also not too easy (what, you think I'm not good enough to climb an 11c?!) and then lead it for you and rig the TR so that you will not swing more than 2 inches should you fall, yet also not commit you to actually reaching the anchor lest you suddenly decide half-way up that you don't in fact like climbing this type of rock?

Say what you want about gender-bias, but I don't know any men who could get that kinda service out of their female partners.


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mark29, that's the most ridiculous statement I've heard, and especially to address it to female climbers. What you're describing is someone (regardless of gender) who is probably new to the sport. Although it may be hard for you to grasp the concept, female climbers have done that for less experienced male climbers.


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Can someone explain to me what girls are doing at the crag instead of working in the kitchen cooking dinner?


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I do think that it is not just the tat covered meatheads that get jealous.
since when does having a lot of tattoos equate to being a meathead? I have about 20 hours total under the good ol' ink gun and I've been told that I am very aproachable. I would say I climb with about a 50/50 mix of guys and girls.


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WEll of course ;)
Positioning of your pack near the targert is crucial too.


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Smart male climbers wait till the guys are distracted, THEN he asks the only female present for the beta!

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My wife taught me how to climb. She used to climb WAY better than me (until she got pregnant...) I anticipate that once that kid's outta her belly, she'll be schooling me again. She doesn't lead trad though. She'll lead a little sport, but not trad. :( She just says that leading isn't that exciting to her. I just don't get it...

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Many if not most tatoos are about being tough. Combine a weight lifters body w/ no shirt and barb wire tatooed arround the over developed bicep and you have someone whos bodylanguage screams "DON'T FUCK WITH ME OR TALK TO MY WOMAN" if all you have are sunshines, flowers and little raibows it probobly just makes you look like a harmless stoner.


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I find that usually, if some guy is asking about a route where I climb(Gunks), they are usually bumbling along on the trail with their nose buried in a guidebook, not noticing my gender in any way(or looking at the cliff to compare the topo with the one in their book), but definitley sensing the presense of a living, breathing being.....who might just happen to have the answer to their query of "Which route are you on?," as they try to find their way to High E, Shockley's Ceiling, Horseman or Disneyland, depending on which section of the cliff we are at......


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I do think that it is not just the tat covered meatheads that get jealous.
since when does having a lot of tattoos equate to being a meathead? I have about 20 hours total under the good ol' ink gun and I've been told that I am very aproachable. I would say I climb with about a 50/50 mix of guys and girls.
Sorry 'bout that, just using the image others had used in previous posts. One of my favorite climbing partners had a bunch of tattoos (btw, where'd you go Nate?), and I definitely don't think having tattoos equates to being a meathead. I think the stereotype is much more accurate the other way around: the meatheads often have a bunch of (usually bad) tattoos. Also, the meathead with a bunch of tattoos is the one who's girlfriend you probably don't want to mess with. (see tradmanclimbs post)

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I like to treat everyone equal. Yet, I watch the group to see if they are approachable first. Some groups want to be left alone, others are ok and then there are those who love to talk. It all depends on them ... not me. Like tradman said, know the body language! It might save you some blood. If you are treading into an area that you should not be in, the bark from the big dog will let you know.

But, if everything is equal, I find talking to women easier then talking to a man.


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I watch the group to see if they are approachable first.

best way to do it. if they are approachable, address the whole group. those who know will speak up...those that don't, won't; male or female.


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I assume all climbers I meet at the crag are equally incompetent and unskilled.

But then I proceed to talk only to the men, mostly because my girlfriend gets jealous pretty easily.

Female climber - do you do this?
Never look at the guidebook; assume it is your boyfiend's (aka guide's) responsibility to select a route for you that perfectly suits your style and is not too reachy or too powerful or too sharp, but also not too easy (what, you think I'm not good enough to climb an 11c?!) and then lead it for you and rig the TR so that you will not swing more than 2 inches should you fall, yet also not commit you to actually reaching the anchor lest you suddenly decide half-way up that you don't in fact like climbing this type of rock?

Say what you want about gender-bias, but I don't know any men who could get that kinda service out of their female partners.

I see this sort of thing all the time. Which builds the stereotype. I also see plenty of strong women, who can out crank me any day of the week, and plenty of independent women, doing they're own thing and climbing. The third kind are my favorite!


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My GF is the rope gun on the rock, I am the rope gun on ice. I never asuume that a woman can't kick my butt climbing. the OP is however talking about a group of guys with a woman in the bunch. approaching this group with the least conflict may mean talking to one of the guys. If the woman does not want to be lost in a group then maby she should leave the possy behind and climb with a single partner? You get about 10 times as much climbing done that way 8^)


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If the woman does not want to be lost in a group then maby she should leave the possy behind and climb with a single partner? You get about 10 times as much climbing done that way 8^)

No kidding. I've never been a fan of the huge climbing group. Lots of sitting around gets accomplished, though.


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Hmmm...was I giving the impression that it was me and like 10 guys? :) More accurately, it's me and one or two climbing partners. I guess it can look like a group if you're talking about routes with the party next to you...


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Well if that's the case you will just have to start leading all the hard climbs :D i am suer that you will get pleanty of attention when us wimpy guys see you running the rope up the hard stuff 8^)


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Hmmm...was I giving the impression that it was me and like 10 guys? :) More accurately, it's me and one or two climbing partners. I guess it can look like a group if you're talking about routes with the party next to you...

Maybe the problem was that you were climbing around Boston. Everyone knows there's no hard climbers in boston, male or female. :P


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Then we'll just move to Davis and kick your ass! :lol:


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I've got stick arms, so it shouldn't be too hard. :lol:


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You know what they say about assuming...

It makes an ass out of you and me.

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i've had this problem when climbing as well as pretty much any time i'm with a bunch of guys. i've been kind of offended, especially when girls will come up and talk to the guys and just ignore me. not like i'm the best/strongest climber in the world, but it's kind of rude to assume that i'm not before talking to me.
and if i'm with a guy and we're at the gas station or something, another guy will come up and start a conversation with my friend and ignore me.

kind of frustrating just because then i feel really awkward. like, i'm obviously not invited to be part of the conversation so should i just stand there and smile? should i walk away and do something else? should i butt in and be like "hey, i'm a person and have an opinion too!"

maybe this thread will make people more aware. :idea:
girls are there to do more than just look pretty, so treat us that way :D


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Good lawd. Why does everybody feel they have to be so PC? I think the pandering is more insulting.

This, sadly, is oftentimes true, and I know because sometimes I let myself do it. I mean, why not? Never turn down a free toprope. (although, I am a good judge of my own abilities and style and I don't need help for that, I don't sit and squeal, "what do i do now?" like I can't read a route, and I can certainly read a guidebook. All of the guidebooks in our "joint" collection are mine).

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I assume all climbers I meet at the crag are equally incompetent and unskilled.

But then I proceed to talk only to the men, mostly because my girlfriend gets jealous pretty easily.

Female climber - do you do this?
Never look at the guidebook; assume it is your boyfiend's (aka guide's) responsibility to select a route for you that perfectly suits your style and is not too reachy or too powerful or too sharp, but also not too easy (what, you think I'm not good enough to climb an 11c?!) and then lead it for you and rig the TR so that you will not swing more than 2 inches should you fall, yet also not commit you to actually reaching the anchor lest you suddenly decide half-way up that you don't in fact like climbing this type of rock?

Say what you want about gender-bias, but I don't know any men who could get that kinda service out of their female partners.

I see this sort of thing all the time. Which builds the stereotype. I also see plenty of strong women, who can out crank me any day of the week, and plenty of independent women, doing they're own thing and climbing. The third kind are my favorite!

I don't treat everybody as equals because they're not. This is not to say I set people aside based on gender. I set them aside on apparent or demonstrated competence, and whatever gender that person is, so be it. It's also obvious to me who's a gumby or a hanger-on, regardless of plumbing. I am not going to address a chick for some kind of PC girl power reasons if it's demonstrated that her male companion/boyfriend/husband knows more than she does.

And I don't take it personally when somebody addresses my man or men instead of me, nor do I care when the server gives Alex the check when I'm usually the one paying. There's just no need to get worked up about shit like that.


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There's just no need to get worked up about s--- like that.

The voice of reason, case closed 8^)


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what about the more direct predicate question "do you assume that a woman is not the strongest member of her mixed gender group?"

or maybe the even more charged
"prior to seeing a woman climb would you assume that you are a stronger climber than her"


to the first question---I have to say, in my 10 yrs of climbing I have personally never known a truly strong woman climber whose normal climbing "group" does not include stronger climbing men.


to the second---I would probably say---with full knowledge that there are many many super strong women climbers out there who climb me under the table---that the majority of women out there are going to be weaker than me. but im always stoked to climb with a strong chick when the opportunity arises.


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Out of how many climbing couples is the woman the stronger climber?

Personally, I have never seen it.

Does this mean that all women are elitists? :P


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...nor do I care when the server gives Alex the check when I'm usually the one paying. There's just no need to get worked up about s--- like that.
If that was in response to my comment earlier, I want to add that I don't get all worked up about it; I really could not care less. I just think its funny/interesting social behavior. Just like I got a kick out of it when I sent out a bunch of Easter cards and had many people tell me to thank my wife for the card; every single person assumed it was her, even though both of our names were on the card. I didn't care, and always simply just said I would relay the thank you, but I sure thought it was interesting.

To somewhat relate to the topic, I likewise think its interesting to watch guys get defensive when an "intruder" starts talking to the girl in their group.

Anyway, I agree all this isn't worth getting worked up about; however, that doesn't mean it interesting to talk about. :)

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I judge a female climber by the size of her rack, HAHA. What can I say, I am a trad climber.







Seriously, I know some females that can climb really hard.


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personally, i don't really care if people don't address me because of my climbing abilities (or lack of... :lol: ) but at least acknowledging my existence would be cool. it's just kind of uncomfortable for me when someone is talking to my guy climbing partner and i'm standing right next to him, but they don't look at me, nod or anything.

i may not be more knowledgeable, and i'll tell someone that if they ask me about something i don't know, but it's still nice if someone talks to you for a minute as well.
if you ask me for help, or directions or something, i'll answer you as best as i can, and if i don't know, i'll try to direct you to someone who does. probably my male partner :lol: kidding.


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heres another assumption i make: anytime i see a guy and a girl of the "same" climbing ability, i assume the woman is more knowledable, more experienced and has been climbing longer.


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questions and comments that I hear some women say that screams lack of knowledge. (Feel Free to add)
are boulders rated the same as "wall" climbs?
this rock is sharp!
can you help me tie my knot.
Look I painted my nails like that one girl you like.

all heard this weekend.


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Ya know.... I'm turning this thing around as someone did a few posts before, asking which person I, as a woman, would ask about a climb.....

Thought about it for about 10 seconds, and I have my answer, and.....I may get shit for it. I'm a gumby and an elitist, apparently.....

When I need info about a route, I look up, and I ask the rock to provide it. It really is just occurring to me, thinking about this, that it has always sort of irked me, a little bit, when my partner(male or female) asks someone else about the route - if the've been on it, what sort of gear, descent, etc. At least, at the Gunks, it does.

What all do I have to be asking someone else about, anyway? I ask them how their days been going, where they're from, how long they're staying around and stuff like that....but I sort of consider what's about to transpire, when I am leading, to be between me, and the rock.

That's what makes it fun......

I also try to look at the chalk as being somewhat of a gossip-monger; whay it says may or may not be true.


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questions and comments that I hear some women say that screams lack of knowledge. (Feel Free to add)
are boulders rated the same as "wall" climbs?
this rock is sharp!
can you help me tie my knot.
Look I painted my nails like that one girl you like.

all heard this weekend.

i've also heard 75% said by guys

sounds like more of a "noob" thing, than a "girl" thing.

except maybe the nail polish - but who can really limit that to a gender these days. i'm not judging


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What all do I have to be asking someone else about, anyway? I ask them how their days been going, where they're from, how long they're staying around and stuff like that....but I sort of consider what's about to transpire, when I am leading, to be between me, and the rock.

that's how it should be. good post.


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yeah....plus...it was just two chica's who were pissing me off with their presence. What can i say I'm a jerk. Back to topic ; My Girl Friend pulls pretty hard, when ever were at some popular spot and she climbs some hard whatever, it is common to hear folks say sh*t like "I heard that's easy for the grade" and crap like that. It's hard not to turn, yell and say "Hey you little fu** you wanna do a lap, I'll belay you?"


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When I need info about a route, I look up, and I ask the rock to provide it. It really is just occurring to me, thinking about this, that it has always sort of irked me, a little bit, when my partner(male or female) asks someone else about the route - if the've been on it, what sort of gear, descent, etc. At least, at the Gunks, it does.

What all do I have to be asking someone else about, anyway?

Well, talking about routes you've done/want to do, is sometimes a good way to build a bond with a stranger. Something to talk about. I always ask 'have you done it? What did you think' and then we can talk and laugh about something noteworthy from the climb. But to each their own.


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When I need info about a route, I look up, and I ask the rock to provide it. It really is just occurring to me, thinking about this, that it has always sort of irked me, a little bit, when my partner(male or female) asks someone else about the route - if the've been on it, what sort of gear, descent, etc. At least, at the Gunks, it does.

What all do I have to be asking someone else about, anyway?

Well, talking about routes you've done/want to do, is sometimes a good way to build a bond with a stranger. Something to talk about. I always ask 'have you done it? What did you think' and then we can talk and laugh about something noteworthy from the climb. But to each their own.


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Out of how many climbing couples is the woman the stronger climber?

Personally, I have never seen it...

I felt compelled to reply to this particular post. Not that I live at any crags (being a flatlander and all), but I know of one female climber who cranks harder (from what I've seen) than her significant other. She happens to send V8-V9, which is sick awesome to me. Hell, she kicks my ass. I personally saw this about 6 months after she had a kid!

And on the rest of the thread, I've been put in my place more than once by strong female climbers. One time in particular, I was working on Bum Boy (V5, since downgraded to a V3) at HP40. Strong blonde strolls up, slips on her shoes, and proceeds to make all of us boys working the problem look like wusses as she gastons up the seam, which was definitely not the beta we were trying! I judge all climbers the same now. I watch them climb and proceed from there. Most often, everyone's better than me anyways!


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Out of how many climbing couples is the woman the stronger climber?

Well, my wife is stronger than me a lot of the time. I don't climb much in the winter due to a hectic work schedule, and she still hits the gym and stays strong. Quite often on early season trips she is the rope gun...

A few weekends ago at Rumney after warming up on 11a, she was working a harder route to the right, 11d I think... she was going for it and took a few good falls. There was another woman two routes to the left, on a 12, who was also taking some good falls.

Some dumb jocko guy climbing the 11a she had warmed up on, had to sit after the crux 'cause he was so pumped. While hanging there, he comments to her after she takes a big whip "woah! I'm surrounded by falling women!"

She replies "well, better than being next to a hanging man"

:lol:


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hmmm.
i usually will start with the guy, just to make sure it doesn't look like i'm hitting on someone's friend/sister/significant other...then its all good, and i don't care who keeps talking, as long as no one is a jerk...

and I have seen couples where the woman seems by far the superior climber, though maybe not the *stronger* per se...finess vs rambo ape moves, and i will take the former any day...


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My wife climbs better then I do. Here is a climbing couple for you caughtinside.
You can have a please of seeing us in person to widen you horizons (just kidding but she can give your secret place a spin)

And she is quite often nice enough to lead the route and set the toprope for the rest of the male climbers in our group.

And guess what, I hardly ever get asked for beta but she is quite often.


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Hello Alison,
Sorry someone ignored you. From the posts, you can see that many of us do not do that. I pay more attention to women than males. As a beginner, I think they have more to show me -- I want technique over power. And usually females are more my size (ht.&wt.) so I think I can make the moves they make. Additionally, males usually have that alpha problem and women (as a generalization) are more nurturing and willing to teach.
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I hardly ever ask people for beta so I am not in this coversation but if there were a group of people I think I would still favor asking the guys. I am 6'3" 175lbs and I feel that a female, unless she was a very large female, would have a very different view of the route than what I would likely encounter... if I was just asking things like "what route is this?" or "What are the anchors like" I would ask anyone


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Hmmm...was I giving the impression that it was me and like 10 guys? :) More accurately, it's me and one or two climbing partners. I guess it can look like a group if you're talking about routes with the party next to you...

Well you WAS asking about "a female climber among guys", indicating anything from 2 to upwards of 10 guys. Kinda puts the question in another perspective if it's just 2 or 3 of you.


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Girls skilled climbers? Ha! Now that's funny!

First, i'd like to say nice troll. But just in case you're being serious I know about a dozen girls that put your ticklist to shame.

I know a 3-legged dog and a blind gecko, that can put his tick list to shame :lol:

Hey, ao, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Strong women climbers intimidate a lot of men. Men like to feel like they know what they are doing in front of women. If they ask yo ufor beta, they are admitting that you know more than them. That is a hard thing to do if you are insecure and pathetic
:lol:

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hmmm.
i usually will start with the guy, just to make sure it doesn't look like i'm hitting on someone's friend/sister/significant other...
this is really what it boils down to..


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I do not ask beta on a route since I want the joy of figuring it out myself.

If there is a group around, I just observe the people of my size, which usually turns out to be girls, I just look how they do the route and then try it out myself.

If she is irresitible I go up and appreciate her efforts in doing the routes, and depending on how she responds I proceed my talks with her.

The thing I have realized is - I am just too busy enjoying the climbs that hitting on girls just doesn't come up in my mind!!!

Am I too addicted to the rocks?


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AO,

Climbing is a male dominated avocation, but much less so when I started climbing over 20 years ago. When you enter any activity where you are an outsider and out-numbered, it is up to you to adjust your behavior, temperment, and personality to the norms of the group, not for the dominant culture to adjust their's to yours. When in Rome...

Until climbing becomes as feminized as almost every other sport, suck it up. Lot's women can hang and fit in fine with groups of male climbers, and have for years. These women are who we call "cool chicks", and many of them crank and live harder than the dudes. They don't whine and tell us how to behave, and in so doing, gain full access, respect, and acceptance.

Women that can't hang form their own scenes and climb excluisvely with gal pals. It's really that simple. Don't expect us to change our behavior just because you decided to grace us with your presence in our fine sport.

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I do not ask beta on a route since I want the joy of figuring it out myself.

If there is a group around, I just observe the people of my size, which usually turns out to be girls, I just look how they do the route and then try it out myself.

If she is irresitible I go up and appreciate her efforts in doing the routes, and depending on how she responds I proceed my talks with her.

The thing I have realized is - I am just too busy enjoying the climbs that hitting on girls just doesn't come up in my mind!!!

Am I too addicted to the rocks?


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AO,

Climbing is a male dominated avocation, but much less so when I started climbing over 20 years ago. When you enter any activity where you are an outsider and out-numbered, it is up to you to adjust your behavior, temperment, and personality to the norms of the group, not for the dominant culture to adjust their's to yours. When in Rome...

Until climbing becomes as feminized as almost every other sport, suck it up. Lot's women can hang and fit in fine with groups of male climbers, and have for years. These women are who we call "cool chicks", and many of them crank and live harder than the dudes. They don't whine and tell us how to behave, and in so doing, gain full access, respect, and acceptance.

Women that can't hang form their own scenes and climb excluisvely with gal pals. It's really that simple. Don't expect us to change our behavior just because you decided to grace us with your presence in our fine sport.

Marc B.

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ive taken some of my best advise from girls while trying a problem. most of the time girls have more patience to help me work through it.


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I climb almost exclusively in trad areas so if I ask for beta I usually ask the person with the rack. (No pun intended.)

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our fine sport

I'm going to disagree with you there. It's not yours, it's not a sport that "belongs" to any one group, it's anyone and everyones. :roll: And btw, your entire opinion is pretty sexist. Just to clue you in: women have the right to vote and everything now, maybe you hadn't heard?


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My wife climbs better then I do. Here is a climbing couple for you caughtinside.
You can have a please of seeing us in person to widen you horizons (just kidding but she can give your secret place a spin)

And she is quite often nice enough to lead the route and set the toprope for the rest of the male climbers in our group.

I'm not really sure what most of your post says/means. Not sure about giving my secret place a spin. :shock: But, sounds like you are a climbing couple, and your wife is a better climber than you.

Great!

A couple responses to my question seemed a little defensive. I only mentioned it, because I climb pretty frequently, all over CA, and I've never seen it. I've never said that such couples don't exist. People who have posted here can only point to one example each. So it seems to be a very rare dynamic.

That's all. Good thing we're all so PC though. I tend to be a little on the crude side when I'm at the crag, laughing, joking, falling and swearing.


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Climbing is a male dominated avocation, but much less so when I started climbing over 20 years ago. When you enter any activity where you are an outsider and out-numbered, it is up to you to adjust your behavior, temperment, and personality to the norms of the group, not for the dominant culture to adjust their's to yours. When in Rome...

Until climbing becomes as feminized as almost every other sport, suck it up. Lot's women can hang and fit in fine with groups of male climbers, and have for years. These women are who we call "cool chicks", and many of them crank and live harder than the dudes. They don't whine and tell us how to behave, and in so doing, gain full access, respect, and acceptance.

Women that can't hang form their own scenes and climb excluisvely with gal pals. It's really that simple. Don't expect us to change our behavior just because you decided to grace us with your presence in our fine sport.

Marc B.

You're completely missing the point. The purpose of my original post wasn't to whine and have every male climber conform to me, and to "feminize the sport", as you're suggesting. It was something I had noticed on occasion, and was curious how male climbers approached the situation. It has nothing whatsoever to do with fitting in with guys, telling them how to behave, or being able to climb with them. Guys who only address other guys and completely ignore the female is something that happens from time to time, and my intention was to make people aware of that.

Alison


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When you go to a crag, and see a female climber among guys, do you assume she is the girlfirend of one of them, or someone who just got dragged along to see what climbing is? And using that assumption, you only address the guys about the route, excluding female? That may be the case some of the time, but also make room for the fact that she is a skilled climber, has the beta, and can climb the route and just as well as any of the guys. I'm not saying you have to go right up to the female any time you have question about a route, but don't disregard her as someone who's just "along to watch". It's just something to be aware of the next time you hit the crag.

Alison

To the OP, which, is where I guess all responses should be directed....

We're all guilty of assumptions but you know what happens when you assume... So I bypass the whole foot-in-mouth scenario by watching. I haven't been climbing long but I've noticed it's very easy to see who actually has the experience and who want's to look like it. The people I really like to watch are the one's who don't care what anyone thinks.

Me, I don't care if anyone asks me for beta. I know some of my partners have more experience. I do speak up if I feel I have some important info to give but I think it's more about the community and respect. I mean, how would I react if some dude walked up and started talking to my wife and ignored me? If I'm obviously climbing like a sack of crap that day, no problem! Would be strange that he asked the 2nd for beta I suppose...


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Beta (especially for overhanging climing) I tend to trust beta from guys that can do a specific route more than women (though I may ask the woman first just because I'm me). Basically there are more often differences in the way I need to do a move from a woman than a guy. I think it probably has mostly to do with men being more top heavey and having shoulders relatively wider than the hips of women and hand finger size comes in sometimes to.

Every hetero guy is going to probably go to hate me on this site for saying this but I think in general females would probably learn more useful movement skills by hanging with other strong female climbers at least for a time. Often enough weight shifts and hip turns just seem pretty different between me and females and I'm constantly jealous on roofs of females ability to just drop a foot and opposite hand to rotate their hip for the next hold when I have to throw my leg way out to the side to get my hip to rotate.

Anyway don't know how common this perception is but may be another factor involved in who asks who for beta.


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I wish there were any single girls at my gym. really, there is one married couple, one girl that just sits around doing her college work while her boyfriend climbs and well, yea, that's about it...the occasional wife that comes in with the child to watch daddy climb,, the occasional couple that comes by once ever only to leave 15 minutes later saying 'that's really a good workout'.

I love my gym, can't stand most of the people there...maybe 3 other guys ever even clmib outside. that's depressing. so, OP question? none of the girls at my gym are exactly approachable. but i don't like to ask for beta anyways.

But I've never seen any single girls climbing at Devil's Lake. I'm already settled that my next girlfriend won't be a climber, instead she will have to be introduced to the life.


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women have the right to vote and everything now, maybe you hadn't heard?

Oh. . . . .That must be why the country's going to sh--!!!

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Every hetero guy is going to probably go to hate me

That pretty much excludes curtis_g and my namesake!!!

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Every hetero guy is going to probably go to hate me

That pretty much excludes curtis_g and my namesake!!!

:twisted:

I don't get it.


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Maybe the problem was that you were climbing around Boston. Everyone knows there's no hard climbers in boston, male or female. :P

Hey, Pal! I resemble that remark! :lol:

Alison - we'll have to give a trip report or climbing sociological case study after tomorrow's Rumney excursion, eh?


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I hardly ever ask people for beta so I am not in this coversation but if there were a group of people I think I would still favor asking the guys.

Sometimes it's not just about beta. Once when Blueeyedclimber (my husband) went off to pee in the woods, this guy asked me if BEC could climb up a route to get his draws back for him. I told him that he didn't have to wait for my husband because I could lead the route for him to get his draws back. The guy seemed kind of nervous about it and then proceeded to tell me not to try to take the draws at the top of the route down when I got to the top. You know, those drop-in's that are bolted into the top of a route? Jeesh! :roll:

By the way, I let my climbing speak for itself by returning his draws for him that he could not get back himself! :lol:


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The guy seemed kind of nervous about it and then proceeded to tell me not to try to take the draws at the top of the route down when I got to the top. You know, those drop-in's that are bolted into the top of a route?

I just wanted to make sure you were being safe


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our fine sport

I'm going to disagree with you there. It's not yours, it's not a sport that "belongs" to any one group, it's anyone and everyones. :roll: And btw, your entire opinion is pretty sexist. Just to clue you in: women have the right to vote and everything now, maybe you hadn't heard?

Until the gals outnumber the lads, it's a male dominated sport, and the sub-culture and attitudes mirror it. Yoga has more women practitioners than men, which is reflected in the way people involved interact. Women and men are very different despite what you may have learned in women's studies classes. I would never go to a yoga class and bitch because everybody was quiet and contemplative.

What part of OUR didn't you understand? Don't twist my words to suit your agenda! I don't mind being called a sexist, or any other -ist, but you resorted to name calling and do not point out which statement was sexist. You also conveniently ignored the part where I said many women climb harder and fit right in with male climbers, and never tell us how to behave.

I don't mean to sound so defensive, but climbing is one of the few areas that has not been invaded by the sensitivity police, and I like the fact that I can go out with my buddies, be as obnoxious or exclusive as I choose, and cut loose. We overlook women involved until we figure out whether they are bettys, gf's, or climbers. It may not be fair, but what is?

We also go out of our way to encourage newbies, help anybody in distress, and are friendly to everybody we run into. Even gawkers asking 1000 questions deserve to be treated respectfully until they cross the line.

Marc B.


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I'm already settled that my next girlfriend won't be a climber, instead she will have to be introduced to the life.

What if she doesn't care for it?

DMT


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No. I ignore the dudes and start working it with the chick, assuming she's hot. I pretty much just start hitting on her like it's Friday night at the club, except I try to work talking about my pecs into the conversation and allow for some quality flexing time. Then I like to flash the climb that the dudes were hanging on and ask for the little lady's number. If there's a boyfriend there, that's usually the point at which a real swordfight begins. Usually though, the boyfriend is just a bump in the road.


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I bet it feels good to see all those guys with their foot in their mouth after you lead the climb they just hung all over, especially if they treat you how you're saying. I wouldn't worry too much about it, those guys are posers anyway.

Ironically, yesterday a girl (who was climbing with a group of girls) came up to me and asked me for a recommendation between two 10a's on the same wall we were climbing. She completely ignored my (female) partner when asking if I had climbed the other 10a and which one was more 'classic'. The rest of her group came over and we all had a nice conversation, but when asking for beta/route info, she came to me and ignored my partner. Perhaps this isn't a male only phenomenon?

Mark

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I'm already settled that my next girlfriend won't be a climber, instead she will have to be introduced to the life.

What if she doesn't care for it?

DMT

I don't think that the incompatibility will be isolated on the 'climber or not' issue. It's more of the adventurous lifestyle. If you can't enjoy rock climbing, or maybe if you're just not that strong, then if you can enjoy aiding or rappelling (even after you're introduced to it) then I don't think that girl would be compatible with my whole person.


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.....I like the fact that I can go out with my buddies, be as obnoxious or exclusive as I choose, and cut loose. We overlook women involved until we figure out whether they are bettys, gf's, or climbers. It may not be fair, but what is.

That's what I like about climbing too..... And I overlook guys until I figure out if they're barneys,* bf's or climbers too.....And that is as fair as fair gets, because I am a woman, and I say so.


*seems us women haven't come to the point yet where we have designated a term for the guy who is getting led up the route by his woman (though I spotted one this last weekend!) and being taught to climb and/or being taken care of..... So, I would like to make a motion that we refer to them as Barneys. All in favor.....?


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.....I like the fact that I can go out with my buddies, be as obnoxious or exclusive as I choose, and cut loose. We overlook women involved until we figure out whether they are bettys, gf's, or climbers. It may not be fair, but what is.

That's what I like about climbing too..... And I overlook guys until I figure out if they're barneys,* bf's or climbers too.....And that is as fair as fair gets, because I am a woman, and I say so.


*seems us women haven't come to the point yet where we have designated a term for the guy who is getting led up the route by his woman (though I spotted one this last weekend!) and being taught to climb and/or being taken care of..... So, I would like to make a motion that we refer to them as Barneys. All in favor.....?


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When I'm out climbing, and I see a woman, I'm all like "yo bitch, go make me a samich and get out of the way of us real climbers!"






If you couldn't tell, I was joking. Honestly, I ask whoever looks more experienced (i.e., not the person wearing rental shoes). And if the most experienced climber is incredibly hot, i'll probably avoid talking to her because really hot chicks make me nervous.


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Barney sounds good!
I also use Baba Gump for the good looking guy with no brain. Needer for neanderthal males that mistakenly think that being assholes is equal to being tough.
Oh, there are so many poor babies needing to grow up I can't name them all.

All I know is that the strongest climbers usually are the kindest and least likely to show off.

As for strong women climbers, we exist and most men do realize we are capable. As for the rest who don't notice us, I don't want to talk to them anyway! Please someone, make sure they keep overlooking me!
AF


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By the powers invested in me by the state of Rockclimbing.com I hereby pronounce this thread officially dead. Thank you for attending, please use the exits clearly marked in the back.


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Guess i got lucky my fiance never climbed before she met me, now she wont shut up about climbing, though id rather have her nagging me to go climbing than naggin me to do some stupid crap like clean the house. Of course she climbs way harder than me and make me look like a sissy--- life is good :!:


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