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linda16


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I am considering having breast augmentation done, and would really love to hear from other women climbers that have had the procedure. I am wondering if I'll be able to use my pectoral muscles as effectively, or if there are any other physical strength-related issues.

I do not need to know about the risks of breast augmentation, unless it relates to climbing, nor do I need to know that natural is best :)

Thanks in advance, everyone!


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troll??? perhaps

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OK- I'll bite.

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I am wondering if I'll be able to use my pectoral muscles as effectively, or if there are any other physical strength-related issues.

The answer is yes, there possibly is. . There are some risks and any surgeon who tells you otherwise is full of crap. As a climber I would approach any surgery that went near my pecs or shoulders with a lot of caution.

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... nor do I need to know that natural is best :)

If you are serious about climbing, natural probably is best.

Choose your surgeon carefully if you decide to do this.


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I promise that I don't intend my post to be flamebait, and I hope no one's offended by my asking.

Thanks for your reply, justthemaid, I appreciate it. So far I've been told that it should not affect my climbing, but as none of the surgeons I've spoken to are climbers, I really want to get a climber's opinion. If there are any women on this board who have implants, I would love to hear from them!


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Thanks for your reply, justthemaid, I appreciate it. So far I've been told that it should not affect my climbing, but as none of the surgeons I've spoken to are climbers, I really want to get a climber's opinion. If there are any women on this board who have implants, I would love to hear from them!


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It will affect your climbing because they cut the muscle off of the chest wall and insert forgein object. (Submuscular implants). You will not be climbing hard again for 1 1/2 to 2 years with submuscular implants. Non sub muscular aren't so bad but are more subject to rupture and rippling as they are not protected by the muscle. Proceed with caution and much information.


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I'm not up on the technical details of the surgery...however, as a flat chested climber, I have always considered my lack of endowment to be an advantage. I'm able to pull myself into the wall and pull off some good balancing acts with my A cups not getting in the way. Larger breasts might become a hindrance in some situations.

-wolfemom


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this was a reasonably informative thread...

http://www.rockclimbing.com/....php?p=241051#241051

that will take you to the first post by someone who had it done.


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Hi,

I used to work as a personal trainer. I worked briefly with a young lady that had submuscular breast implants. She related that she could train her pecs little if at all because when she'd first done so it had changed the shape of her breasts (created some sort of a band or crease in the area of the implants). I don't know if this was because of a bad implant job or just her particular anatomy.

I'd imagine the most accurate answer is that there's no guarantee either way -- there's certainly a possibility that it will affect your climbing as well as a possibility that it won't.

Lisa

And hurrah to being able to squeeze in close to the rock!!


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Two words: Bobbi Bensman.


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Two more words: Bob Yoho.

Seriously. He's in Pasadena, CA. Cosmetic surgeon and climber.

Jay


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The only girl climber that had breast augmentation (I mean, the only one I personally know) had the blobs removed some time later-- this summer... The rumor at the gym has it, the guy who removed it was some climber surgeon that she met in Yosemite... Hmmm,, the guy that jt512 is talking about?

How it affected her climbing I don't know b/c I didn't see her climbing before the procedure. And am yet to see her "post-removal".

But it seems that it is definitely going to interfere, the question is--how much? I mean, even assuming that it doesn't aggect the muscles in any way, think about 2 balloons hanging in front of you as you are trying to reach something...

LOL, I know you don't want to hear anything bad about the procedure, but I'll just say that I like my solution better-- find a guy who likes you with breasts you got naturally :)


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The only girl climber that had breast augmentation (I mean, the only one I personally know) had the blobs removed some time later-- this summer... The rumor at the gym has it, the guy who removed it was some climber surgeon that she met in Yosemite... Hmmm,, the guy that jt512 is talking about?

Probably the same guy. He's a Yosemite hardman from the day. When he says he's done "the Nose" in a day, he's talking about the route; presumably, the surgical procedure is quicker.

Jay


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Two words: Bobbi Bensman.
she doesn't seem to have any problems climbing


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Two words: Bobbi Bensman.
she doesn't seem to have any problems climbing

But she is the subject of vast amounts of ridicule. I wouldn't recognize her if she walked up to me right now, yet I've heard as many wise cracks about her boobs as I've heard jokes about George W.'s vocabulary.

Not saying that getting made fun of for having big fake boobs is right, but I wouldn't get them if I wasn't really ready to let the mean words just roll off my back.


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As a woman with substantial boobage, I'd say that the less boobs the better for climbing. I have had some trouble in my days - trying to fit into chimneys, balancy moves that require you to get close to the rock . . . not being able to wear cute little tops because you actually need support.

I know plenty of women who got boob jobs and then became athletic later on - all of them regret it. Running, jumping, even dynamic moves are at the least annoying and can sometimes hurt.


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Two words: Bobbi Bensman.

she doesn't seem to have any problems climbing

But she is the subject of vast amounts of ridicule. I wouldn't recognize her if she walked up to me right now, yet I've heard as many wise cracks about her boobs as I've heard jokes about George W.'s vocabulary.

Yeah, but she went from practically nothing to enormous porn-star boobs, judging from the pictures.

Besides, they don't make fun of her to her face. They can't get close enough.

Jay


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I just finished reading the book "Sherman exposed" by John Sherman, and in the last chapter was his interview with Bobbi after her surgery in 199?. Very good reading mix of serious, funny and thought-provoking.

According to her own words she went from AA to C-cups, which in my opinion is nowhere close to "enormous porn-star boobs". But I haven't seen them for myself, maybe you have?


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According to her own words she went from AA to C-cups, which in my opinion is nowhere close to "enormous porn-star boobs". But I haven't seen them for myself, maybe you have?

I've only seen her pictures in a guidebook. Didn't look like no C-cups to me. Besides, if they were really only C-cups would she really have attracted the publicity that she did?

Jay


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Just a suggestion, but I'd want to know if the increased profile would drive me crazy while climbing. Looks like if you were to increase a cup size, you would be adding just over a pound to your chest. There is also something called "the rice" test. Yep, you guessed it. Add the equivalent measure (cc's) of rice to your sports bra and head for the crag. Here's the link of what amounts of rice to add to simulate the correct effect.

http://www.justbreastimplants.com/size.htm


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funny, most athletically inclined women i know have had breast reductions rather than implants.


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Bingo. I know that a reduction is in the plans for me at some point.


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There is also something called "the rice" test. Yep, you guessed it. Add the equivalent measure (cc's) of rice to your sports bra and head for the crag.

But how will I get the butter stains out of my sport bra?


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Talk about the all new crag snack. Hard to explain that one. :lol:


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maculated - How much boobage do you have? :) I don't want huge boobs, but something vaguely proportional to my frame-size would be so nice.

lena-chita - You're right; I don't *want* to hear anything bad about the procedure, but I'm trying to learn as much about it as possible. Also, I've never met a guy who didn't like the breasts I have now :) But my reason for wanting breast implants is not to make men like me.

jt512- Thanks for the tip on Dr. Yoho. Perhaps I'll try to get in touch with him and ask his opinion on the subject. That's awesome that he's climbed El Capitan as well :P

Hmm... trying the rice boobs on while climbing is certainly an idea. Mostly I'm worried about the affect on muscle strength, though.

Thanks, everyone!


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Two words: Bobbi Bensman.

she doesn't seem to have any problems climbing

But she is the subject of vast amounts of ridicule. I wouldn't recognize her if she walked up to me right now, yet I've heard as many wise cracks about her boobs as I've heard jokes about George W.'s vocabulary.

Yeah, but she went from practically nothing to enormous porn-star boobs, judging from the pictures.

Besides, they don't make fun of her to her face. They can't get close enough.

Jay
That reminds me of the link in here... the rice boob one. Had lots of before and after pics. A great many of these women were built like me (short, slight, and 34A at the most) and most of them went to at least D cups! I am sure they have their reasons but I don't get it, personally. I've never really been truly pleased with my not-quite-A cups (at least aesthetically; functionally, they're fantastic for climbing, running, sleeping on my stomach, tying my shoes, forcing men to consider my personality- ha!), but I've NEVER wanted tits the size of a cantalopue, even for looks. Subtelty is hot, and if I had the income and the willingness to cut down on my activity for a bit, I'd consider some happy little B cups. Cuz also, big implants on narrow, slim chests end up looking wall-eyed and bugged out, especially on gals with any areola to speak of. Honeys end up looking like those creepy tropical fish:

http://www.acclaimimages.com/...08-3008-2717_SM2.jpg


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My boobs are quite large, D, DD depending on my weight and that time of the month. I would look a lot thinner if I didn't have them stretchin' out the shirts.

http://static.flickr.com/...3_ef395b371c.jpg?v=0

Quite large, but fun to make fun of. :)


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:lol: :lol: :lol:
You guys are hilarious.


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climbsomething - I agree with you on the tropical fish ;P If anything, I think it is good to go for the proportional look.

maculated - Tthose *are* pretty big, but you are thin as well! You look great!


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According to her own words she went from AA to C-cups, which in my opinion is nowhere close to "enormous porn-star boobs". But I haven't seen them for myself, maybe you have?

I've only seen her pictures in a guidebook. Didn't look like no C-cups to me. Besides, if they were really only C-cups would she really have attracted the publicity that she did?

Jay

I don't know if I've seen any pictures at all, so I'm not in a position to argue with you there. Just wanted to relay what was said in the interview.

Happy climbing! :)


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The breast job that saved a life
Hospital: Shrapnel from rocket lodged in implants, sparing Israeli woman
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Updated: 7:11 p.m. ET Aug 15, 2006
JERUSALEM - An Israeli woman's breast implants saved her life when she was wounded in a Hezbollah rocket attack during Israel's war with the Lebanese group, a hospital spokesman said Tuesday.

Doctors found shrapnel embedded in the silicone implants, just inches from the 24-year-old’s heart.


"She was saved from death," said a spokesman for Nahariya Hospital in northern Israel. The woman has been released from hospital.

Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.
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Hello,

I am new here, i am a woman with DD cup size and i'm struggling to find a full body harness that is comfortable!

Has anyone got any suggestions?

Im not a rock climber, I am learning to be a climbing rigger so I really need a full body harness :wink:

Vicki


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This is probably out of line in the Ladies room but I'm married and expecting so I can be lecherous, I think.

Maculated - I don't know anyone who would kick you off the therma-rest. Don't reduce, and take more photos.

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My boobs are quite large, D, DD depending on my weight and that time of the month. I would look a lot thinner if I didn't have them stretchin' out the shirts.

http://static.flickr.com/...3_ef395b371c.jpg?v=0

Quite large, but fun to make fun of. :)


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If muscles have to be cut, depending on which procedure, it will be a long time before you can even use them, let alone build/work them, and they won't be as strong or "flexible." Similar problems arise for athletes that tear muscles... So you can count on the added nuisance of not climbing at all for a while. While regular plastic surgeons most definitely know what they're doing- you need to go to some one who works with athletes before making a final decision. I have a girl friend who was a gymnast in college, and she got her implants during that time. She regrets it still, and used her pregnancy as reason to have them removed. Its not the same sport, but she had to train like a "mad-man," and was fit, so her circumstance seems fitting...


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Thanks for the input, I'll check out the site.


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Linda,
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breast augmentation? I'm considering one and looking at the possible consequences.


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[quote "maculated"]My boobs are quite large, D, DD depending on my weight and that time of the month. I would look a lot thinner if I didn't have them stretchin' out the shirts.

[url]http://static.flickr.com/68/209752643_ef395b371c.jpg?v=0[/url]

Quite large, but fun to make fun of. :)[/quote]

ha! great photo


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breast augmentation? I'm considering one and looking at the possible consequences.

A friend of mine from Ct got an augmentation when she rowed crew.
She mostly did it to please her husband. After 3 months of recovery she was able to resume her running, crew and also occasionally scrambled.
She said it was easier before and faster at competitions, it addition there were some scaring.
I would highly recommend you go to a board-certified surgeon and ask for referrals from patients who are athletic. Good Luck.


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I still have no idea why anybody would put themselves through such a thing.
As a guy, I find anything fake just a turnoff.
Women with make up on look far less attractive in my eyes than any unpainted chick out climbing in dirty old clothes.

Pumping up your boobs will not solve the issues you have inside to want to do this, it will just be displaced to the next problem down the line.

For Fuuucks sake, just learn to be proud of yourself for the individual you are.
And if there is pressure from a partner to do this, just tell him p-ss off, and then go find a real person to love.


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I still have no idea why anybody would put themselves through such a thing.
As a guy, I find anything fake just a turnoff.
Women with make up on look far less attractive in my eyes than any unpainted chick out climbing in dirty old clothes.

Pumping up your boobs will not solve the issues you have inside to want to do this, it will just be displaced to the next problem down the line.

For Fuuucks sake, just learn to be proud of yourself for the individual you are.
And if there is pressure from a partner to do this, just tell him p-ss off, and then go find a real person to love.

This is a whole lot of judgment in such a short little paragraph.

Seriously, dude, stating your opinion is one thing, but thinking you know the inner motivation of someone is a little much.

Everyone contains a little vanity. It's necessary to keep our species alive. Imagine a world where everyone just let themselves go. NO ONE would hook up Cool. Wanting ourselves to look good is necessary for our self-esteem. People shave, wear nice clothes, get their hair done, etc., and no one sees a problem with that. But, you talk about wanting bigger boobs and all of a sudden people feel the need to judge you.

I certainly don't think you should do it to please someone else, however. If you do it, do if for yourself.

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rightarmbad wrote:
I still have no idea why anybody would put themselves through such a thing.
As a guy, I find anything fake just a turnoff.
Women with make up on look far less attractive in my eyes than any unpainted chick out climbing in dirty old clothes.

Pumping up your boobs will not solve the issues you have inside to want to do this, it will just be displaced to the next problem down the line.

For Fuuucks sake, just learn to be proud of yourself for the individual you are.
And if there is pressure from a partner to do this, just tell him p-ss off, and then go find a real person to love.

First, you are assuming that the only reason a woman would do this is to be appealing to males.

Second, even if the above were 100% true, you are assuming that every male shares your ideals for beauty, and what looks bad to you looks bad to every single guy out there.

Third, every female knows that 90% of the time when the guy thinks that the woman has no make-up on, he is wrong.

I personally wouldn't want to have fake boobs. My reach is short enough already, i don't want to shorten it even more by having two baloons in front of my chest.

But I am only one woman, I don't pretend to speak for half the humankind.


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Third, every female knows that 90% of the time when the guy thinks that the woman has no make-up on, he is wrong.

Indeed! There are probably a lot of fake boobs where the woman went for a natural look that fool the groper/oggler too.

I wrote about a friend that got boobies just to give her decollete a little boost in the other thread.

I've had the occasion to see another set too. One of my friends since childhood got an aggressive form of breast cancer at 35. She always had HUGE boobs for her size and showed them off to her advantage. Still, really, really big ones can be a pain, and she chose to downsize to about a C with her replacements.

I think they look really great. The nipples were tattooed on and look pretty real. The process of stretching her skin proved to be way more painful than anything she experienced with the mastectomy.

She's passed the magic 5 year mark, so her chances of relapsing are much less now. Coming that close to loosing her put a whole new spin on this underappreciated part of my body. Any way that someone else wants to love the skin that they are in for the short time that we get to be here, is totally their business.

I'm not interested in implants myself, but I don't want that 100% natural Berkeley look that says to the world (IMO), "Now here's a woman who just doesn't give a shit anymore!" I've died my hair, had major regrets about all of the sun dammage I've inflicted upon myself and am doing what I can to reverse that, I get my toes did, and spent I $70 on the burliest Spanx that they sell so that I can keep a few secrets about what's really happening just below my waistline. I might be the only person on earth that even knows that I've done these things, but I feel a lot better in my own skin when I do them.


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iamthewallress wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
Third, every female knows that 90% of the time when the guy thinks that the woman has no make-up on, he is wrong.

Indeed! There are probably a lot of fake boobs where the woman went for a natural look that fool the groper/oggler too.

I wrote about a friend that got boobies just to give her decollete a little boost in the other thread.

I've had the occasion to see another set too. One of my friends since childhood got an aggressive form of breast cancer at 35. She always had HUGE boobs for her size and showed them off to her advantage. Still, really, really big ones can be a pain, and she chose to downsize to about a C with her replacements.

I think they look really great. The nipples were tattooed on and look pretty real. The process of stretching her skin proved to be way more painful than anything she experienced with the mastectomy.

She's passed the magic 5 year mark, so her chances of relapsing are much less now. Coming that close to loosing her put a whole new spin on this underappreciated part of my body. Any way that someone else wants to love the skin that they are in for the short time that we get to be here, is totally their business.

I am glad your friend is doing well. Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking about, too.

My co-worker had breast cancer at a really young age. She was 28yo. She had one-sided mastectomy, followed by breast reconstruction. You can NOT tell that one side is "real" and the other "fake".


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I have a friend who is climbing as hard/harder than before her augmentation a couple years ago. She opted for a B cup, placed above the chest muscles, even though most doctors recommended a C (at least) and placed below the muscle.Another reason to talk to a Dr.who has worked with athletes.

A few Dr.s are doing a newer procedure that uses fat grafts in place of implants - I'm hoping that will have been refined/improved by time I'm ready to do it. Just sounds perfect- take fat from the belly and move it to the chest!

For those questioning the desire to get augmentation, I think the last thread (clausti posted a link) had some great insight into how breast size goes beyond just looks, since it is so tied to feelings of womanhood and femininity.


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mindaa wrote:
I have a friend who is climbing as hard/harder than before her augmentation a couple years ago. She opted for a B cup, placed above the chest muscles, even though most doctors recommended a C (at least) and placed below the muscle.Another reason to talk to a Dr.who has worked with athletes.

A few Dr.s are doing a newer procedure that uses fat grafts in place of implants - I'm hoping that will have been refined/improved by time I'm ready to do it. Just sounds perfect- take fat from the belly and move it to the chest!

For those questioning the desire to get augmentation, I think the last thread (clausti posted a link) had some great insight into how breast size goes beyond just looks, since it is so tied to feelings of womanhood and femininity.

oh dear lord


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macherry wrote:
mindaa wrote:
I have a friend who is climbing as hard/harder than before her augmentation a couple years ago. She opted for a B cup, placed above the chest muscles, even though most doctors recommended a C (at least) and placed below the muscle.Another reason to talk to a Dr.who has worked with athletes.

A few Dr.s are doing a newer procedure that uses fat grafts in place of implants - I'm hoping that will have been refined/improved by time I'm ready to do it. Just sounds perfect- take fat from the belly and move it to the chest!

For those questioning the desire to get augmentation, I think the last thread (clausti posted a link) had some great insight into how breast size goes beyond just looks, since it is so tied to feelings of womanhood and femininity.

oh dear lord

I'd like to donate my belly fat.


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[spray alert] Wish that I too could donate but unfortunately... my belly is looking FINE since I became a pauper dirtbag living in a van! Woot![/spray alert]


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