I still love satan

Do you have to be a christian to climb for christ??

I would like to climb for Christ but I have a penchant for methamphetamine and gay massages. Will He still help me send?

Do you have to be a christian to climb for christ??

no. just brainwashed.

no. just brainwashed.

I'll have to ignore my advice to ignore the trolls and bite on this one.

If you don't agree with our religion, then just please stay out of the thread. OK?

We'll stay out of your Christian thread when you Christians stay out of our children's education, our private sex lives, vital medical research, and every other facet of our lives. "OK?"
Jay

We'll stay out of your Christian thread when you Christians stay out of our children's education, our private sex lives, vital medical research, and every other facet of our lives. "OK?"

Jay

http://srcfc.org/

maybe you've seen their ads in 'Climbing'

they put out great newsletters and emails too.
check them out.

peace
Curtis

THANK YOU JT512---wish i could rate today, def a trophy...

I'll have to ignore my advice to ignore the trolls and bite on this one.

If you don't agree with our religion, then just please stay out of the thread. OK?

We'll stay out of your Christian thread when you Christians stay out of our children's education, our private sex lives, vital medical research, and every other facet of our lives. "OK?"

Jay

just for clarification: Solid Rock (srcfc.org) and climbing for Christ (www.climbingforchrist.org) are two different organizations

just a friendly reminder peeps, keep it civil.

Bluedubbed wrote:
You may love him, but he sure as Hell doesn't love you.
The only thing satan cares about, is keeping you away from Christ.

Cosmiccragsman

once again:

Please note that this is a serious thread weather or not you agree with its content. This is NOT a community thread. Your flames and trolls are not welcome and this thread will be heavily monitored, so keep your posts civil and respectful.

Jesus, not another one of these loser trolls. This sort of thing sucks to high heaven. If jesus wants to come out, rope up, and pay his dues like the rest of us fine, otherwise this sort of thing is just blows. You're welcome, but leave your damn religion at home or in the trunk where it belongs. F#ck and these are same clueless folks that b---- about radical Islam...

c4c, does your organization have a poilicy of unsolicited witnessing and ministry at the crags?

good question. No we don't. If we have an "outreach" at a local crag it is usually in the form of a cleanup or a give away (water) or just a climbing outing. Climbers as a whole (away from their keyboards) are pretty nice and willing to talk. We just tell them who we are and if they want to pursue a conversation fine, if not, we don't force it. I personally like to climb with lots of different types of people with different viewpoints who have an open mind to listen to my beliefs and explain what they personally believe. I don't care for confrontation and feel it is non-productive. We try to be the example at the crags-- kind, considerate, LNT, environmentaly aware, etc.
-Thanks for your question.

No problem. alot of the flack you're catching here, comes from that "pushyness" of the few, that taints the many, and the incessant demagoguery and proselytizing of the televangelists.

good luck with it. try to ignore the angry flames, but laugh at the funny ones. ;-)

 http://www.rockclimbing.com/topic/121152

Hi - if you personally want to climb for Christ, great, more power to you.

But as far as missions go, please don't tell other people what and how to believe. It's embarassing and demeaning for everybody involved. I couldn't even imagine someone going to Thailand to climb and telling those great people with their fantastic culture who to pray to.

Seriously.

go climb for yourself!

Get a free google group for this crap.

Hi - if you personally want to climb for Christ, great, more power to you.

But as far as missions go, please don't tell other people what and how to believe. It's embarassing and demeaning for everybody involved. I couldn't even imagine someone going to Thailand to climb and telling those great people with their fantastic culture who to pray to.

Seriously.

Get a free google group for this crap.

HTTP://www.climbingforchrist.org

We don't force others to believe what we believe we simply go and share what we believe. If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it? Where we go we are usually working alongside of locals in what they are already doing in their communiities. Check out our work in Haiti. We are not just sharing the Good new about salvation freely available through Jesus Christ but also sharing the abundance that God has given us, by helping them to build a building for their preexisting church that is also a school and health care facility. We are continuing to help them with sanitation and water purity. As well as reforestation projects.

I usually like and respect your posts, healy, but this screams of adolescent bigotry. This post was an earnest attempt to contact other Christians, and no attempt was made to jam anything down anyones throat.

just for full disclosure. I am on paid staff for Climbing for Christ.

It is germain that many US citizens in Alaska are accepting free oil from Chavez of Venezuela; he's the man at the UN who called bush the devil. So it is not surprising to me that many christian "missions" are to places where people are vulnerable due to physical hardship. I know what is going on so there's no need to check out your work in Haiti.
Christians can't divorce themselves from the fact that they are charged with evangelism. For everyone else, many would rather not walk around with a sign that sez: "christians, leave me alone - I like where I am at." So I accept that there will be friction on occasion but I also am particular along these lines about who I would consider as my friend.

The "cure for cancer" metaphor is quite broken since we're talking about a)simple belief and 1 old book versus b) the scientific method.

Bill L

Yeah, you all are some bright ones. "please don't tell others what and how to believe". Yet you're more than willing to tell others what to do and how to act, and what to believe. Love the double standard, keep up the good work!!! I'm going to keep telling people they should climb for Christ, that way at least it keeps us even and we can agree on something.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So it was spam after all :? Your lucky it only got moved to community and not deleted all together.

If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it?

Experts attack Bush's stance in Aids battle

US promotes abstinence as global conference opens in Bangkok

Peter Gill

Sunday July 11, 2004

The US faces condemnation this week from leaders of the worldwide struggle against Aids over the Bush administration's reliance on sexual abstinence as a response to the intensifying epidemic.

...

Under the influence of the Christian right, Bush has adopted the so-called ABC approach to Aids prevention - A for abstinence, B for being faithful and C for condoms. But condoms are to be promoted only for use by 'high risk groups' such as prostitutes and drug abusers, with sexual abstinence the objective for all unmarried young people.

...

Bush's policy was laid down earlier this year in a 100-page document entitled 'The President's Emergency Plan for Aids Relief'. It is backed by a $15 billion commitment over five years and targets 15 countries, 12 in sub-Saharan Africa. References to condoms - for decades heavily promoted in the US drive for population control in the developing world - make clear that they are to play a marginal role. They can be distributed 'near areas where high-risk behaviour takes place' such as brothels, but they are not to be promoted for the general population, which should receive 'a clear message that the best means of preventing HIV/Aids is to avoid risk altogether'.

So it was spam after all :? Your lucky it only got moved to community and not deleted all together.

No, I don't think you would.


Jay

prevention is always the best cure. I don't see your point? All I can say is I think I would, because I care.

DEATHS from cervical cancer could jump fourfold to a million a year by 2050, mainly in developing countries. This could be prevented by soon-to-be-approved vaccines against the virus that causes most cases of cervical cancer – but there are signs that opposition to the vaccines might lead to many preventable deaths.

The trouble is that the human papilloma virus (HPV) is sexually transmitted. So to prevent infection, girls will have to be vaccinated before they become sexually active, which could be a problem in many countries.

In the US, for instance, religious groups are gearing up to oppose vaccination, despite a survey showing 80 per cent of parents favour vaccinating their daughters. "Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV," says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV.

"Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a licence to engage in premarital sex," Maher claims, though it is arguable how many young women have even heard of the virus.

A couple of years back, I ran into "Solid Rock - Climbers for Christ" at the Pinnacles, Discovery Wall. They had top-ropes set on every route not 5.10 or harder. (That's about 15 routes.) They weren't even climbing most of them.

So I asked if I could pull their ropes 'cuz I wanted to lead. They said no. I asked if I could climb on their ropes. They said, "OK, but you'll have to join us in prayer first." I noticed another group in a prayer circle, asking God to protect them on their TR.

prevention is always the best cure. I don't see your point? All I can say is I think I would, because I care.

W_H_A_T ?

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

You're lucky man...that never happens to me :twisted: :twisted:

c4c,

I cannot tell you what we Mods decide together, but I was the single one who Wanted to see it simply disappear. The evolution (if I can use this word!) of this thread was not satisfying. I could have deleted all the offensive posts, but this would have generated more offensive posts. I could have locked it, and maybe I should have locked it. But I decided to move it here, and after all, the discussion is much more civil here in the Community. And I'm satisfied with that. Maybe we have the habit to discuss such topics here.
Just understand that Christians might be offended because I moved the thread, but after all other people feel offended when Christians are too present. It's difficult as a mod to satisfy every belief or non-belief.
Feel free to post again. I will let other Mods moderate the thread as my attempt seems unsatisfying to many users.

hey you call hater yourself. :roll:
Whoever sees things differently from you is not an hater. It's just someone different from you.
like me..see? I have atail and horns..but I don't hate you!

hey may I have your soul?

c4c,

I cannot tell you what we Mods decide together, but I was the single one who Wanted to see it simply disappear. The evolution (if I can use this word!) of this thread was not satisfying. I could have deleted all the offensive posts, but this would have generated more offensive posts. I could have locked it, and maybe I should have locked it. But I decided to move it here, and after all, the discussion is much more civil here in the Community. And I'm satisfied with that. Maybe we have the habit to discuss such topics here.
Just understand that Christians might be offended because I moved the thread, but after all other people feel offended when Christians are too present. It's difficult as a mod to satisfy every belief or non-belief.
Feel free to post again. I will let other Mods moderate the thread as my attempt seems unsatisfying to many users.

I never said for those haters out there like slablizard. You just included yourself in with them for some reason? I'm glad that you don't hate me, I don't hate you either. And no you may not have my soul, I've promised it to someone else.

Bill I don't think your getting your point across, I don't get it. What does christian missions in areas of hardship have to do with oil comming fron Venezuela or Bush being called the devil?

But since the religious group Climbers for Christ is funding and organizing work in Haiti I guess they have the liberty to incorporate their particular agenda.

Off-topic, but ever since I first heard about the existence of "Climbers for Christ", I have been wondering, are there also

Kayakers for Christ,
BASE jumpers for Christ,
Marathon runners for Christ,
Violin players fro Christ,
etc. etc.

Or is climbing community unique in this respect?

I have no doubt that there are religious bikers and snorkelers out there, but do any of them SNORKEL FOR CHRIST?


I just don't get it.

You are a Christian? Good for you!

Your religion permeates every aspect of your life? Enjoy it!

So why single out CLIMBING as the activity "for Christ"? Why not Toothbrushing for Christ?

Never heard of a scuba one though?

Maybe because Jesus walked ON the water?

Because I'm a climber.

Maybe because Jesus walked ON the water?

Good on ya, Thomas. It's a thankless job and you do it well. :D

Right. So you were right on when you later said ...
I don't think it is too much of a stretch for you to see that Chavez is likewise furthering his agenda by helping poor Alaskans. To be explicitly clear, I was refering to the christian agenda which is well understood - I don't need to check it out. And, regarding who is helping others the most, you can't justify christianity by deeds as there is a lot of innocent spilt blood throughout history - even christian on christian.

Regarding chavez's use of the devil: In these kinds of contexts, it's always the other guy that's irreparably lost when it's really the old religions that had their place at one time but are now obsolete. Molding the current world to them is like the tail wagging the dog, IMHO.

I'll concede that maybe chavez really doesn't believe bush is the devil or wasn't really hoping to convince anyone of that. Likely, he was pre-empting bush's propensity to label governments as evil.

Dude, come to the dark side.

Bill L

Off-topic, but ever since I first heard about the existence of "Climbers for Christ", I have been wondering, are there also

Kayakers for Christ,
BASE jumpers for Christ,
Marathon runners for Christ,
Violin players fro Christ,
etc. etc.

Any group or individual that works in any area has an agenda. Has goals they want to accomplish, be it good or bad. But should we throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak, and say that since we don't like the beliefs of an organization we should restrict or fight against their effort to help humanity, I don't think so.

[And hey, if secular humanists want to get out there and do all the humanitarian work that christian groups are doing, then it just means we can focus more on getting our message out :). We can help each other.

Why don't you come to the light side, we're having a great time and the future looks promising.

Bush does not speak for all of us, or - dare I say - even most of us. You call us brainwashed? I know I'm not the one buying the media's message that the "religious right" represents Christianity.
"God is not a Republican. Or a Democrat." - Sojourners

Off-topic, but ever since I first heard about the existence of "Climbers for Christ", I have been wondering, are there also

Kayakers for Christ,
BASE jumpers for Christ,
Marathon runners for Christ,
Violin players fro Christ,
etc. etc.

Or is climbing community unique in this respect?

I have no doubt that there are religious bikers and snorkelers out there, but do any of them SNORKEL FOR CHRIST?


I just don't get it.

You are a Christian? Good for you!

Your religion permeates every aspect of your life? Enjoy it!

So why single out CLIMBING as the activity "for Christ"? Why not Toothbrushing for Christ?

Why don't you come to the light side, we're having a great time and the future looks promising.

The Christian future looks promising? I beg to differ. If the fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. continue to have their way, our future looks dim indeed. What have the Christians done for us lately? They have attempted, and continue to attempt, to replace legitimate science education about the origins of life with religious mythology. They have thwarted educational efforts about condom use that has proven to be effect at limiting the spread of AIDS because they believe that preventing sex is morally superior to preventing sexually transmitted disease. They have caused laws to be passed that will limit the most promising medical research in history -- stem cell research -- because they believe that collections of less than 100 embryonic cells cultured in a petri dish have more right to "life" than people dying and suffering from a myriad of diseases.

The Christian future is hardly "promising." It's frankly bleak.

Jay

To those of you who keep using Bush's policies to attempt to discredit Christianity itself:

http://www.sojo.net/...&item=petition_flash

Bush does not speak for all of us, or - dare I say - even most of us. You call us brainwashed? I know I'm not the one buying the media's message that the "religious right" represents Christianity.

I think I may move to Texas.

I think I may move to Texas.

If a group of Climbers for Christ prayed for Jesus to watch over them as they climbed, and to bring them home safely, but had a bad accident due to rockfall or lightning strike (aka "an act of God"), would that mean that they were forsaken by Jesus ???

Ppphlllbt! That's material for 2nd grade Sunday School studies and extra credit for 1st graders.

Bill L

What kind of answer is that ???

You answered nothing, but simply attempted to discredit my question by impying that it is beneath you.

Off-topic, but ever since I first heard about the existence of "Climbers for Christ", I have been wondering, are there also

Kayakers for Christ,
BASE jumpers for Christ,
Marathon runners for Christ,
Violin players fro Christ,
etc. etc.

Or is climbing community unique in this respect?

I have no doubt that there are religious bikers and snorkelers out there, but do any of them SNORKEL FOR CHRIST?


I just don't get it.

You are a Christian? Good for you!

Your religion permeates every aspect of your life? Enjoy it!

So why single out CLIMBING as the activity "for Christ"? Why not Toothbrushing for Christ?

He's probably just feeling insecure because your signature just told him he's an idiot.

The Christian future is hardly "promising." It's frankly bleak.

Jay

And what does your sig tell me about myself blondie? -I like it btw.
rrradam-good question. Christians believe that God sometimes allows accidents to come into our lives. If He does allow an accident to happen then it is for our good. Christians believe that God works all things together for good. Granted that is rather hard to understand in the midst of the storm. Does that answer the question?

there is no growth without pain, physically, emotionally, or spritually.

What kind of answer is that ???

You answered nothing, but simply attempted to discredit my question by impying that it is beneath you.

i beg to differ.

there definitely is growth withouth the things you mentioned when im getting a BJ :P

And what does your sig tell me about myself blondie? -I like it btw.