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just for full disclosure. I am on paid staff for Climbing for Christ. I cannot speak for SRCFC as it is not connected to our organization. But if you have a legitimate question for me about Climbing for Christ I will answer it to the best of my ability.


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c4c, does your organization have a poilicy of unsolicited witnessing and ministry at the crags?


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Jesus, not another one of these loser trolls. This sort of thing sucks to high heaven. If jesus wants to come out, rope up, and pay his dues like the rest of us fine, otherwise this sort of thing is just blows. You're welcome, but leave your damn religion at home or in the trunk where it belongs. F#ck and these are same clueless folks that b---- about radical Islam...

I usually like and respect your posts, healy, but this screams of adolescent bigotry. This post was an earnest attempt to contact other Christians, and no attempt was made to jam anything down anyones throat.


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c4c, does your organization have a poilicy of unsolicited witnessing and ministry at the crags?

good question. No we don't. If we have an "outreach" at a local crag it is usually in the form of a cleanup or a give away (water) or just a climbing outing. Climbers as a whole (away from their keyboards) are pretty nice and willing to talk. We just tell them who we are and if they want to pursue a conversation fine, if not, we don't force it. I personally like to climb with lots of different types of people with different viewpoints who have an open mind to listen to my beliefs and explain what they personally believe. I don't care for confrontation and feel it is non-productive. We try to be the example at the crags-- kind, considerate, LNT, environmentaly aware, etc.
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c4c, does your organization have a poilicy of unsolicited witnessing and ministry at the crags?

good question. No we don't. If we have an "outreach" at a local crag it is usually in the form of a cleanup or a give away (water) or just a climbing outing. Climbers as a whole (away from their keyboards) are pretty nice and willing to talk. We just tell them who we are and if they want to pursue a conversation fine, if not, we don't force it. I personally like to climb with lots of different types of people with different viewpoints who have an open mind to listen to my beliefs and explain what they personally believe. I don't care for confrontation and feel it is non-productive. We try to be the example at the crags-- kind, considerate, LNT, environmentaly aware, etc.
-Thanks for your question.

No problem. alot of the flack you're catching here, comes from that "pushyness" of the few, that taints the many, and the incessant demagoguery and proselytizing of the televangelists.

good luck with it. try to ignore the angry flames, but laugh at the funny ones. ;-)


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c4c, does your organization have a poilicy of unsolicited witnessing and ministry at the crags?

good question. No we don't. If we have an "outreach" at a local crag it is usually in the form of a cleanup or a give away (water) or just a climbing outing. Climbers as a whole (away from their keyboards) are pretty nice and willing to talk. We just tell them who we are and if they want to pursue a conversation fine, if not, we don't force it. I personally like to climb with lots of different types of people with different viewpoints who have an open mind to listen to my beliefs and explain what they personally believe. I don't care for confrontation and feel it is non-productive. We try to be the example at the crags-- kind, considerate, LNT, environmentaly aware, etc.
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No problem. alot of the flack you're catching here, comes from that "pushyness" of the few, that taints the many, and the incessant demagoguery and proselytizing of the televangelists.

good luck with it. try to ignore the angry flames, but laugh at the funny ones. ;-)

I do. I do. :lol: guys like this:

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 http://www.rockclimbing.com/topic/121152

don't help us at all. He was an idiot. Correct, but an idiot non-the-less.

A new chapter is starting up in New England as well. check it out if your interested.
Climb-on.


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Hi - if you personally want to climb for Christ, great, more power to you.

But as far as missions go, please don't tell other people what and how to believe. It's embarassing and demeaning for everybody involved. I couldn't even imagine someone going to Thailand to climb and telling those great people with their fantastic culture who to pray to.

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go climb for yourself!

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Get a free google group for this crap.

Yeah, you all are some bright ones. "please don't tell others what and how to believe". Yet you're more than willing to tell others what to do and how to act, and what to believe. Love the double standard, keep up the good work!!! I'm going to keep telling people they should climb for Christ, that way at least it keeps us even and we can agree on something.

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Hi - if you personally want to climb for Christ, great, more power to you.

But as far as missions go, please don't tell other people what and how to believe. It's embarassing and demeaning for everybody involved. I couldn't even imagine someone going to Thailand to climb and telling those great people with their fantastic culture who to pray to.

Seriously.

We don't force others to believe what we believe we simply go and share what we believe. If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it? Where we go we are usually working alongside of locals in what they are already doing in their communiities. Check out our work in Haiti. We are not just sharing the Good new about salvation freely available through Jesus Christ but also sharing the abundance that God has given us, by helping them to build a building for their preexisting church that is also a school and health care facility. We are continuing to help them with sanitation and water purity. As well as reforestation projects.


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Get a free google group for this crap.

actually we already have our own website you can check it out at

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We don't force others to believe what we believe we simply go and share what we believe. If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it? Where we go we are usually working alongside of locals in what they are already doing in their communiities. Check out our work in Haiti. We are not just sharing the Good new about salvation freely available through Jesus Christ but also sharing the abundance that God has given us, by helping them to build a building for their preexisting church that is also a school and health care facility. We are continuing to help them with sanitation and water purity. As well as reforestation projects.
It is germain that many US citizens in Alaska are accepting free oil from Chavez of Venezuela; he's the man at the UN who called bush the devil. So it is not surprising to me that many christian "missions" are to places where people are vulnerable due to physical hardship. I know what is going on so there's no need to check out your work in Haiti.

Christians can't divorce themselves from the fact that they are charged with evangelism. For everyone else, many would rather not walk around with a sign that sez: "christians, leave me alone - I like where I am at." So I accept that there will be friction on occasion but I also am particular along these lines about who I would consider as my friend.

The "cure for cancer" metaphor is quite broken since we're talking about a)simple belief and 1 old book versus b) the scientific method.

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Galileo Galilei (1600's): "Take note, theologians, ...
you run the risk of eventually having to condemn as
heretics those who would declare the earth to stand
still ...."

Rev. George Coyne, Vatican's Chief Astronomer
(11/18/2005): "Intelligent design isn't science, even
though it pretends to be. If you want to teach it in
schools, intelligent design should be taught when
religion or cultural history is taught, not in
science."


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Jesus, not another one of these loser trolls. This sort of thing sucks to high heaven. If jesus wants to come out, rope up, and pay his dues like the rest of us fine, otherwise this sort of thing is just blows. You're welcome, but leave your damn religion at home or in the trunk where it belongs. F#ck and these are same clueless folks that b---- about radical Islam...

I usually like and respect your posts, healy, but this screams of adolescent bigotry. This post was an earnest attempt to contact other Christians, and no attempt was made to jam anything down anyones throat.

Mostly, I sense major frustration from healy. I wish I was more like him.

The OP may have been made in an earnest attempt to contact other climbing christians. Then again, there certainly have been like-minded posts that widely deviated. And you can't deny that the evangelism mandate which will forever be an irritation to many.

There's been plenty of jamming on both sides! And good on the mods to let this thread run free, IMHO.

Time for me to get to work and do something productive!

Bill L


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just for full disclosure. I am on paid staff for Climbing for Christ.

So it was spam after all :? Your lucky it only got moved to community and not deleted all together.


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It is germain that many US citizens in Alaska are accepting free oil from Chavez of Venezuela; he's the man at the UN who called bush the devil. So it is not surprising to me that many christian "missions" are to places where people are vulnerable due to physical hardship. I know what is going on so there's no need to check out your work in Haiti.
Christians can't divorce themselves from the fact that they are charged with evangelism. For everyone else, many would rather not walk around with a sign that sez: "christians, leave me alone - I like where I am at." So I accept that there will be friction on occasion but I also am particular along these lines about who I would consider as my friend.

The "cure for cancer" metaphor is quite broken since we're talking about a)simple belief and 1 old book versus b) the scientific method.

Bill L

Bill I don't think your getting your point across, I don't get it. What does christian missions in areas of hardship have to do with oil comming fron Venezuela or Bush being called the devil?

And knowing whats going on in the world, and doing something about it are two different things. So you know whats going on, what are you doing about it and how is what your doing affecting others to make the world a better place? Education and health care benefit the whole world whether they are connected to a religious group or not. But since the religious group Climbers for Christ is funding and organizing work in Haiti I guess they have the liberty to incorporate their particular agenda. I can tell you from first hand experience that the Haitians don't care what you come espousing as long as they can get something that will preserve their life. Seriously, who on this site would say that religious groups should stop their humantiarian work because its cramming something down some ones throat? And if you'd say they should what are you going to do to fill the void? Excuse us christians if we feel responsible to help the less fortunate where, yeah, life is harder than in your 1st world bubble.


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Hi - if you personally want to climb for Christ, great, more power to you.

But as far as missions go, please don't tell other people what and how to believe. It's embarassing and demeaning for everybody involved. I couldn't even imagine someone going to Thailand to climb and telling those great people with their fantastic culture who to pray to.

Seriously.

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Get a free google group for this crap.

Yeah, you all are some bright ones. "please don't tell others what and how to believe". Yet you're more than willing to tell others what to do and how to act, and what to believe. Love the double standard, keep up the good work!!! I'm going to keep telling people they should climb for Christ, that way at least it keeps us even and we can agree on something.

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so you want to tell me what I should NOT do? you're definitely brighter than me!


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just for full disclosure. I am on paid staff for Climbing for Christ.

So it was spam after all :? Your lucky it only got moved to community and not deleted all together.

Which would make sense had he started the thread. Which he didn't.


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If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it?

No, I don't think you would.

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The US faces condemnation this week from leaders of the worldwide struggle against Aids over the Bush administration's reliance on sexual abstinence as a response to the intensifying epidemic.

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Under the influence of the Christian right, Bush has adopted the so-called ABC approach to Aids prevention - A for abstinence, B for being faithful and C for condoms. But condoms are to be promoted only for use by 'high risk groups' such as prostitutes and drug abusers, with sexual abstinence the objective for all unmarried young people.

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Bush's policy was laid down earlier this year in a 100-page document entitled 'The President's Emergency Plan for Aids Relief'. It is backed by a $15 billion commitment over five years and targets 15 countries, 12 in sub-Saharan Africa. References to condoms - for decades heavily promoted in the US drive for population control in the developing world - make clear that they are to play a marginal role. They can be distributed 'near areas where high-risk behaviour takes place' such as brothels, but they are not to be promoted for the general population, which should receive 'a clear message that the best means of preventing HIV/Aids is to avoid risk altogether'.

Jay


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just for full disclosure. I am on paid staff for Climbing for Christ.

So it was spam after all :? Your lucky it only got moved to community and not deleted all together.

Zozo, the OP is a member of Climbing for Christ but his post was not suggested by us. He acted on his own accord. I simply thought that I should be upfront with who my employer was when I entered the discussion.


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If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it?

No, I don't think you would.

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The US faces condemnation this week from leaders of the worldwide struggle against Aids over the Bush administration's reliance on sexual abstinence as a response to the intensifying epidemic.

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Under the influence of the Christian right, Bush has adopted the so-called ABC approach to Aids prevention - A for abstinence, B for being faithful and C for condoms. But condoms are to be promoted only for use by 'high risk groups' such as prostitutes and drug abusers, with sexual abstinence the objective for all unmarried young people.

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Bush's policy was laid down earlier this year in a 100-page document entitled 'The President's Emergency Plan for Aids Relief'. It is backed by a $15 billion commitment over five years and targets 15 countries, 12 in sub-Saharan Africa. References to condoms - for decades heavily promoted in the US drive for population control in the developing world - make clear that they are to play a marginal role. They can be distributed 'near areas where high-risk behaviour takes place' such as brothels, but they are not to be promoted for the general population, which should receive 'a clear message that the best means of preventing HIV/Aids is to avoid risk altogether'.

Jay
prevention is always the best cure. I don't see your point? All I can say is I think I would, because I care.


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If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it?

No, I don't think you would.

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US promotes abstinence as global conference opens in Bangkok

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Sunday July 11, 2004

The US faces condemnation this week from leaders of the worldwide struggle against Aids over the Bush administration's reliance on sexual abstinence as a response to the intensifying epidemic.

...

Under the influence of the Christian right, Bush has adopted the so-called ABC approach to Aids prevention - A for abstinence, B for being faithful and C for condoms. But condoms are to be promoted only for use by 'high risk groups' such as prostitutes and drug abusers, with sexual abstinence the objective for all unmarried young people.

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Bush's policy was laid down earlier this year in a 100-page document entitled 'The President's Emergency Plan for Aids Relief'. It is backed by a $15 billion commitment over five years and targets 15 countries, 12 in sub-Saharan Africa. References to condoms - for decades heavily promoted in the US drive for population control in the developing world - make clear that they are to play a marginal role. They can be distributed 'near areas where high-risk behaviour takes place' such as brothels, but they are not to be promoted for the general population, which should receive 'a clear message that the best means of preventing HIV/Aids is to avoid risk altogether'.

Jay
prevention is always the best cure. I don't see your point? All I can say is I think I would, because I care.

Well, JT addessed AIDS, so I guess I should address cancer.

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DEATHS from cervical cancer could jump fourfold to a million a year by 2050, mainly in developing countries. This could be prevented by soon-to-be-approved vaccines against the virus that causes most cases of cervical cancer but there are signs that opposition to the vaccines might lead to many preventable deaths.

The trouble is that the human papilloma virus (HPV) is sexually transmitted. So to prevent infection, girls will have to be vaccinated before they become sexually active, which could be a problem in many countries.

In the US, for instance, religious groups are gearing up to oppose vaccination, despite a survey showing 80 per cent of parents favour vaccinating their daughters. "Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV," says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV.

"Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a licence to engage in premarital sex," Maher claims, though it is arguable how many young women have even heard of the virus.

http://hughesforamerica.typepad.com/hughes_for_america/2005/04/christian_talib_4.html

Also, both this vaccine & abstinence are methods for prevention. Nice of Christians to eliminate an option for those who do not follow their beliefs.


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A couple of years back, I ran into "Solid Rock - Climbers for Christ" at the Pinnacles, Discovery Wall. They had top-ropes set on every route not 5.10 or harder. (That's about 15 routes.) They weren't even climbing most of them.

So I asked if I could pull their ropes 'cuz I wanted to lead. They said no. I asked if I could climb on their ropes. They said, "OK, but you'll have to join us in prayer first." I noticed another group in a prayer circle, asking God to protect them on their TR.

W_H_A_T ?

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

You're lucky man...that never happens to me :twisted: :twisted:


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If I had the cure for aids or cancer don't you think that I should share that with those who need it?

No, I don't think you would.

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Experts attack Bush's stance in Aids battle

US promotes abstinence as global conference opens in Bangkok

Peter Gill

Sunday July 11, 2004

The US faces condemnation this week from leaders of the worldwide struggle against Aids over the Bush administration's reliance on sexual abstinence as a response to the intensifying epidemic.

...

Under the influence of the Christian right, Bush has adopted the so-called ABC approach to Aids prevention - A for abstinence, B for being faithful and C for condoms. But condoms are to be promoted only for use by 'high risk groups' such as prostitutes and drug abusers, with sexual abstinence the objective for all unmarried young people.

...

Bush's policy was laid down earlier this year in a 100-page document entitled 'The President's Emergency Plan for Aids Relief'. It is backed by a $15 billion commitment over five years and targets 15 countries, 12 in sub-Saharan Africa. References to condoms - for decades heavily promoted in the US drive for population control in the developing world - make clear that they are to play a marginal role. They can be distributed 'near areas where high-risk behaviour takes place' such as brothels, but they are not to be promoted for the general population, which should receive 'a clear message that the best means of preventing HIV/Aids is to avoid risk altogether'.

Jay
prevention is always the best cure. I don't see your point? All I can say is I think I would, because I care.

Study after study has shown that counseling abstinence, not only is ineffective, but actually backfires. In contrast, condom use has been definitively proven to reduce the spread of HIV in populations. Are you agreeing, then, that you would give teenagers condoms, rather than urge them to abstain from sex?

Jay


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c4c,

I cannot tell you what we Mods decide together, but I was the single one who Wanted to see it simply disappear. The evolution (if I can use this word!) of this thread was not satisfying. I could have deleted all the offensive posts, but this would have generated more offensive posts. I could have locked it, and maybe I should have locked it. But I decided to move it here, and after all, the discussion is much more civil here in the Community. And I'm satisfied with that. Maybe we have the habit to discuss such topics here.
Just understand that Christians might be offended because I moved the thread, but after all other people feel offended when Christians are too present. It's difficult as a mod to satisfy every belief or non-belief.
Feel free to post again. I will let other Mods moderate the thread as my attempt seems unsatisfying to many users.


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A couple of years back, I ran into "Solid Rock - Climbers for Christ" at the Pinnacles, Discovery Wall. They had top-ropes set on every route not 5.10 or harder. (That's about 15 routes.) They weren't even climbing most of them.

So I asked if I could pull their ropes 'cuz I wanted to lead. They said no. I asked if I could climb on their ropes. They said, "OK, but you'll have to join us in prayer first." I noticed another group in a prayer circle, asking God to protect them on their TR.

W_H_A_T ?

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

You're lucky man...that never happens to me :twisted: :twisted:

I wonder what the experience would have been like if they'd been from the Church of Scientology...

:shock:

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