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Yo hollah!!!111 That sh!t is phat, son. Gotta give that kid mad props, yo. Fshizzle my wizzle, Gee.
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azenari
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great website! but hahah...he's a narutard.
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boo-urns, that guys....sucks.
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GeneralBenson
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Does anyone else feel like Joe Kinder is trying really, really, REALLY hard to be cool. And failing. I've never seen anyone who climbs 5.14 come across so freaking insecure. And holy crap, by the cover of Spray, I thought it was a new season of Dawson's Creek on DVD.
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pinkly_taurus wrote: Yo hollah!!!111 That sh!t is phat, son. Gotta give that kid mad props, yo. Fshizzle my wizzle, Gee. LOL The journal article in the new Climbing was decent, save for his entries. But he climbs harder than me, so I'll STFU.
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I just met the guy while climbing at my gym. He was with his girlfriend Collette, who was also in the Climbing article. Anyway, I have read his blog and don't get it either. In person, he seems really down to Earth and is pumped about climbing. Either way, he gets to travel the world and climb...for a living!
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Ahhh, who cares how hard he climbs the guys a whiner. "No photos of me for my sponsors" blah blah blah. He's not doing anything unique or outstanding, i can't figure out why the mags love him so.
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mtengaio wrote: Ahhh, who cares how hard he climbs the guys a whiner. "No photos of me for my sponsors" blah blah blah. He's not doing anything unique or outstanding, i can't figure out why the mags love him so. they're trying so hard to throw the women climbers a bone on SOMEthing. and they figured joe kinder was as good a something as any. ::swoon:: what a cutie.
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clausti, are you still trying to prove you're not a boy again??? Ha ha, jus kiddin...
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(not directed at any comments by Clausti) Yea.. Joe hasn't done shit.. just helped Graham and Luke Parody etc establish tons of hard shit at Rumney and Pawtuckaway (among other places).. Taking sweet pictures and video of great climbers for years.. edit: i'm sure the mag's like him because he travels alot.. climbs with and is friends with alot of well known pro climbers.. has an exciting take on climbing not just the "duuuude... i just like touching the rock" stoner vibe like freaking sharma does every fucking interview not from Clausti:
In reply to: I've never seen anyone who climbs 5.14 come across so freaking insecure. How many .14+ climbers do you know?
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jakedatc wrote: Yea.. Joe hasn't done shit.. just helped Graham and Luke Parody etc establish tons of hard shit at Rumney and Pawtuckaway (among other places).. Taking sweet pictures and video of great climbers for years.. In reply to: I've never seen anyone who climbs 5.14 come across so freaking insecure. How many .14+ climbers do you know? i didnt say that joe kinder "hasnt done shit" i said that *I* don't like him. and ppl that climb 5.14? i've known a few. in other news, i didnt say that, and i'd appreciate you not making it look like i did by replying to my post then putting in an unattributed quote.
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I didn't say it was you Christina.. the quote was from guy earlier in the thread..
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oh, and specifically, i dont like him because he comes off as a sexist, self-absorbed jerk in interviews he gives. specifically, there was one in urban climber where he was asked about what was "hot in climbing right now" and he said "girls in booty shorts," among other things about girls. i'm not sure how booty shorts relate to climbing, really, but hey, if that is your posse, it is my right not to like you.
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jakedatc wrote: I didn't say it was you Christina.. the quote was from guy earlier in the thread.. i know, but when your post says "in reply to clausti" and then theres an unattributed quote... you know what that looks like. it was mostly for other ppl so they didnt think i said that.
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s'all good.. i edited my post to reflect that and added my take on the magazine thing.
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jakedatc wrote: s'all good.. i edited my post to reflect that and added my take on the magazine thing. danka, or however you spell that.
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C-dub, One of my favorite quotes, of all time, pertaining to anything come from the oft-hated JoeKindKid... "I think about climbing as much or more than booty." Now, most guys think about booty more than ANYTHING. Most will lie to you, but booty is El Numero Uno on the ponder list. Me? I'm a bona fide climbing addict. That quote pretty much sums me up. Do I like Joe's media personality? Not really. But I do respect his climbing resume, psyche, and ability to make a living from climbing. RJ
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rjtrials wrote: C-dub, One of my favorite quotes, of all time, pertaining to anything come from the oft-hated JoeKindKid... "I think about climbing as much or more than booty." Now, most guys think about booty more than ANYTHING. Most will lie to you, but booty is El Numero Uno on the ponder list. Me? I'm a bona fide climbing addict. That quote pretty much sums me up. Do I like Joe's media personality? Not really. But I do respect his climbing resume, psyche, and ability to make a living from climbing. RJ he can think about booty 167 hours a week if he so chooses, and spout that to anyone he wants. he is also a strong climber; i'm not disputing any of that. its his equating climbing with objectifying women that i disagree with. you can have one, or, in his case you can have the other, but i fail to see how it improves the sport of climbing for joe kinder to talk about the kind of ass he likes to see when interviewed about rock climbing, that is all. and kinder cant seem to keep his trap shut about women when he gets in magazines, so i'd rather see less of him. my personal opinion. like != respect. (does not equal.) and vice versa.
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jakedatc wrote: (not directed at any comments by Clausti) Yea.. Joe hasn't done shit.. just helped Graham and Luke Parody etc establish tons of hard shit at Rumney and Pawtuckaway (among other places).. Taking sweet pictures and video of great climbers for years.. edit: i'm sure the mag's like him because he travels alot.. climbs with and is friends with alot of well known pro climbers.. has an exciting take on climbing not just the "duuuude... i just like touching the rock" stoner vibe like freaking sharma does every fucking interview not from Clausti: In reply to: I've never seen anyone who climbs 5.14 come across so freaking insecure. How many .14+ climbers do you know? I don't know anyone that climbs .14, nor did I say that I do. I'm also not trying to knock his climbing ability. CLearly he's a good climber. All I was saying is that for someone at that level, he seems obsessed with whether or not people think he's the coolest kid on the block.
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Should meet some in person away from any sort of sponsored event.. would probably be surprised at what their public persona is and what they are like away from all that. we had the same discussion about Jason Kehl a few months ago. I got to watch the "freaky, weird screaming guy" chilling out climbing .10's and .11's and hanging out. Maybe Joe is like that all the time.. i dunno.. but from what i've seen with others.. i wouldn't jump to that conclusion. From what i've seen.. to make money through climbing... you have to pull so effing hard that you get sponsors a lot of attention, You have a personality that attracts attention of sponsors and folks the sponsors want to gain the attention of.. or you take pictures and videos of climbing A and B.
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edit: i'm sure the mag's like him because he travels alot.. climbs with and is friends with alot of well known pro climbers.. has an exciting take on climbing not just the "duuuude... i just like touching the rock" stoner vibe like freaking sharma does every fucking interview Yeah, well, Kinder is only standing on the shoulders of others. Just another flash in the pan. Not everyone can be as solid as Sharma, Graham, Andrada, etc. – but then again not every pro climber tries so hard to be so cool like Joe Kinder. There's a fine line between self promotion and self absorption. And to mock Sharma for his attitude – get a life man.
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I only look at pics of Joe to see if they include Collette. d.
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jakedatc wrote: Should meet some in person away from any sort of sponsored event.. would probably be surprised at what their public persona is and what they are like away from all that. we had the same discussion about Jason Kehl a few months ago. I got to watch the "freaky, weird screaming guy" chilling out climbing .10's and .11's and hanging out. Maybe Joe is like that all the time.. i dunno.. but from what i've seen with others.. i wouldn't jump to that conclusion. From what i've seen.. to make money through climbing... you have to pull so effing hard that you get sponsors a lot of attention, You have a personality that attracts attention of sponsors and folks the sponsors want to gain the attention of.. or you take pictures and videos of climbing A and B. FAir enough. You're right, I shouldn't judge people I don't really know. I was just going from the impression that he seems to be giving away. HE's just taking the culmination of my feelings towards the fact that pro climbing seems to be growing increasingly egotistical, self gloryifying, and flashy. Which is largely because of, like you said, the sponsors wants attention brought from their athletes. Climbing is such a freeing activity, I'd just love to see some more humility on the scene.
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mtengaio wrote: but then again not every pro climber tries so hard to be so cool like Joe Kinder. There's a fine line between self promotion and self absorption.
mtengaio wrote: And to mock Sharma for his attitude – get a life man. Perhaps you should read what you're writing..
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This thread is retarded. I have climbed with Joe on a few occasions, and he's just a psyched kid making a (quite modest) living doing what he loves. Sure, I have read blurbs in the climbing media, and he comes off as being a really goofy kid, but remember that part of getting recognized and making a living as a professional climber is playing an image and drawing attention to yourself. If Joe didn't do this, this thread would not exist, and he would just be one of those strong climbers put on the back burner of our memory. Joe understands that he is a somewhat-public figure, and does not get too worked up over stuff like this, so perhaps I should do the same. HOLAAA SUCKASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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Kinder and Lauren Lee are the two most over-represented climbers in mags today. boring.
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"This thread is retarded... HOLAAA SUCKASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!" Guess what, so are you. Hola suckas? I guess you are into thin excuses for personality. Keep getting your witty dialogue from MTV 'yo', it makes you so much more persuasive. God I hate that sound, the sound of young stupid people using pop culture slang to sound cool because they are to young and dumb to sound intelligent. Sad thing is it wouldn't have been a bad post if not for calling everyone who posted previously a retard and then using some really awfull wanna be mall gangsta crap at the end. I suspect people are bugged by this guy Joe K. because he is trying to appeal to stupid 'wanna be ghetto cuzz its cool' teenagers (or even worse he is one). Just ignore the loser everyone grows up eventually (except 'gangstas!' they just whine like babes about how bad they used to be, I see them muttering in the gutter in the TL alll the time). I don't know who Joe koolguy is but I dislike him just for the fact that someone used the slang 'holla suckas' in his defense. To me the glorification of the fucking murders and shit I get to see and/or hear about every day in this large city I live in is putting oneself on the side of the shitheads wreaking this world and the fucking hard work generations of men and women performed. So they can be 'gangsta'. Please go to hell and die quickly so we can start to fix things. Edit: OK I looked at his site, he uses the words 'ballin in da mix' to describe a group of climbers gathering for a sponsor photo shoot, I hate him. Fucking idiots like this make me sick. White boy wanna be gangsta. 3 weeks ago a guy was shot and killed one block from my place for 20 bucks, just enough for a rock. I would suggest all you stupid ass white kids come to the inner city and hang out a bit so you can learn what that slang you so love to bug your parents with is really about. Fucking worthless fucks.
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MonkeyInTraining wrote: "This thread is retarded... HOLAAA SUCKASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!" Guess what, so are you. Hola suckas? I guess you are into thin excuses for personality. Keep getting your witty dialogue from MTV 'yo', it makes you so much more persuasive. God I hate that sound, the sound of young stupid people using pop culture slang to sound cool because they are to young and dumb to sound intelligent. Sad thing is it wouldn't have been a bad post if not for calling everyone who posted previously a retard and then using some really awfull wanna be mall gangsta crap at the end. I suspect people are bugged by this guy Joe K. because he is trying to appeal to stupid 'wanna be ghetto cuzz its cool' teenagers (or even worse he is one). Just ignore the loser everyone grows up eventually (except 'gangstas!' they just whine like babes about how bad they used to be, I see them muttering in the gutter in the TL alll the time). I don't know who Joe koolguy is but I dislike him just for the fact that someone used the slang 'holla suckas' in his defense. To me the glorification of the fucking murders and shit I get to see and/or hear about every day in this large city I live in is putting oneself on the side of the shitheads wreaking this world and the fucking hard work generations of men and women performed. So they can be 'gangsta'. Please go to hell and die quickly so we can start to fix things. Edit: OK I looked at his site, he uses the words 'ballin in da mix' to describe a group of climbers gathering for a sponsor photo shoot, I hate him. Fucking idiots like this make me sick. White boy wanna be gangsta. 3 weeks ago a guy was shot and killed one block from my place for 20 bucks, just enough for a rock. I would suggest all you stupid ass white kids come to the inner city and hang out a bit so you can learn what that slang you so love to bug your parents with is really about. Fucking worthless fucks. HAHAHA ... that is all
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Speaking of thin attempts at discourse...
MonkeyInTraining wrote: "This thread is retarded... HOLAAA SUCKASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!" Guess what, so are you. Hola suckas? I guess you are into thin excuses for personality. Keep getting your witty dialogue from MTV 'yo', it makes you so much more persuasive. God I hate that sound, the sound of young stupid people using pop culture slang to sound cool because they are to young and dumb to sound intelligent. Sad thing is it wouldn't have been a bad post if not for calling everyone who posted previously a retard and then using some really awfull wanna be mall gangsta crap at the end. I suspect people are bugged by this guy Joe K. because he is trying to appeal to stupid 'wanna be ghetto cuzz its cool' teenagers (or even worse he is one). Just ignore the loser everyone grows up eventually (except 'gangstas!' they just whine like babes about how bad they used to be, I see them muttering in the gutter in the TL alll the time). I don't know who Joe koolguy is but I dislike him just for the fact that someone used the slang 'holla suckas' in his defense. To me the glorification of the fucking murders and shit I get to see and/or hear about every day in this large city I live in is putting oneself on the side of the shitheads wreaking this world and the fucking hard work generations of men and women performed. So they can be 'gangsta'. Please go to hell and die quickly so we can start to fix things. Edit: OK I looked at his site, he uses the words 'ballin in da mix' to describe a group of climbers gathering for a sponsor photo shoot, I hate him. Fucking idiots like this make me sick. White boy wanna be gangsta. 3 weeks ago a guy was shot and killed one block from my place for 20 bucks, just enough for a rock. I would suggest all you stupid ass white kids come to the inner city and hang out a bit so you can learn what that slang you so love to bug your parents with is really about. Fucking worthless fucks. I do concede that my use of the word "retarded" was a poor way to express my disapproval of passing judgment on the character of a human being whom someone has never met. DON'T H8 THA PLAYA, H8 THA GAME!
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I guess your to stupid to realize when a person puts up a public web page they are asking for people to make an opinion of the aspects of their life which they choose to publicly display. If you ever get past the idol worshiping you might be able to see your heros as people. I suspect most of your heros are pretty shitty examples of people based upon your use of language. Oh yeah I know, "dont judge me by my language" LOL that is the standered way to judge someone, by what they say. Just as some have judged this Joe guy based upon what he put out on public display. Get a fucking clue, a web page is to introduce yourself to the world and the content is to shape an image of oneself. If some dont like that image the person ether ignores gets over or changes the content. Asking people, no wait what you were doing is telling people, actually telling people 'you should not have an opinion of my friend joe based upon what he put online, for people to make opinions about'. You are a fucking retard.
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MonkeyInTraining wrote: I guess your to stupid to realize when a person puts up a public web page they are asking for people to make an opinion of the aspects of their life which they choose to publicly display. If you ever get past the idol worshiping you might be able to see your heros as people. I suspect most of your heros are pretty shitty examples of people based upon your use of language. Oh yeah I know, "dont judge me by my language" LOL that is the standered way to judge someone, by what they say. Just as some have judged this Joe guy based upon what he put out on public display. Get a fucking clue, a web page is to introduce yourself to the world and the content is to shape an image of oneself. If some dont like that image the person ether ignores gets over or changes the content. Asking people, no wait what you were doing is telling people, actually telling people 'you should not have an opinion of my friend joe based upon what he put online, for people to make opinions about'. You are a fucking retard. Quoted for posterity. You are correct. We do judge people by what they say and how they represent themselves on the internet.
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GeneralBenson wrote: Does anyone else feel like Joe Kinder is trying really, really, REALLY hard to be cool. And failing. I've never seen anyone who climbs 5.14 come across so freaking insecure. And holy crap, by the cover of Spray, I thought it was a new season of Dawson's Creek on DVD. HAHA Nail on the head: Dawson's Creek Hot Blondes and the newest dope threads bro
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clausti wrote: aerili wrote: clausti, are you still trying to prove you're not a boy again??? Ha ha, jus kiddin... sadly, no, i was trying to prove that i don't like joe kinder, AND that i think the mags are still sexist in their catering to a perceived reader base. apparently i failed. clausti is not a boy????? mutha f$#&^!
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organic wrote: clausti wrote: aerili wrote: clausti, are you still trying to prove you're not a boy again??? Ha ha, jus kiddin... sadly, no, i was trying to prove that i don't like joe kinder, AND that i think the mags are still sexist in their catering to a perceived reader base. apparently i failed. clausti is not a boy????? mutha f$#&^! what?
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camhead wrote: organic wrote: clausti wrote: aerili wrote: clausti, are you still trying to prove you're not a boy again??? Ha ha, jus kiddin... sadly, no, i was trying to prove that i don't like joe kinder, AND that i think the mags are still sexist in their catering to a perceived reader base. apparently i failed. clausti is not a boy????? mutha f$#&^! what? Exactly
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dlintz wrote: I only look at pics of Joe to see if they include Collette. d. Seriously...Can we dispense with the arguing and get this thing going in the direction we all know it's headed? Pictures of Collette:
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justroberto wrote: dlintz wrote: I only look at pics of Joe to see if they include Collette. d. Seriously...Can we dispense with the arguing and get this thing going in the direction we all know it's headed? Pictures of Collette: nawt that hawt. where's she from, Nose City? Bignose.
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camhead wrote: justroberto wrote: dlintz wrote: I only look at pics of Joe to see if they include Collette. d. Seriously...Can we dispense with the arguing and get this thing going in the direction we all know it's headed? Pictures of Collette: nawt that hawt. where's she from, Nose City? Bignose. Who knows, who cares. d.
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DIE THREAD DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gimikspitter wrote: It seems every Pro climber is creating a website...check out this interesting one... http://www.joekindkid.com I wonder if the OP was Joe? Only two posts, and who else would go out of their way to point out his website. Gimikspitter sounds about on target.
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This thread is pathetic! Joe is a super nice guy. I've know him for 6 or 7 years and I don't think I've ever heard him say an unkind word to anyone. He's just as psyched for someone who sending their first climb as he is for someone sending 5.15. His persona is not for everyone. Who gives a crap?! Get over it.
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clausti
Feb 15, 2008, 5:03 PM
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sterlingjim wrote: This thread is pathetic! Joe is a super nice guy. I've know him for 6 or 7 years and I don't think I've ever heard him say an unkind word to anyone. He's just as psyched for someone who sending their first climb as he is for someone sending 5.15. His persona is not for everyone. Who gives a crap?! Get over it. his persona may not be for everyone, but you have to understand, as i'm sure you do, that the vast majority of those reading and posting in this thread will never know what he's like in person, so all they have to go on are the magazine articles about his "skrillaz." and i certainly feel that those of us that are offended by his statements about women are entitled to say that we'd rather see less of him TALKING in magazines.
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sterlingjim
Feb 15, 2008, 8:11 PM
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It's one thing to take him to task for making offensive remarks but engaging in full on character assassination is entirely another matter. I understand very well that his persona lends itself readily to ridicule. The critical remarks here, however, cross that line and are not based on first hand experiences. If folks genuinely wish to see and read less of him then perhaps a more constructive thing to do would be to write/email the mags, which, BTW seem to be catering specifically to the Joe Kinder style demographic these days.
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clausti
Feb 15, 2008, 8:24 PM
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sterlingjim wrote: It's one thing to take him to task for making offensive remarks but engaging in full on character assassination is entirely another matter. I understand very well that his persona lends itself readily to ridicule. The critical remarks here, however, cross that line and are not based on first hand experiences. If folks genuinely wish to see and read less of him then perhaps a more constructive thing to do would be to write/email the mags, which, BTW seem to be catering specifically to the Joe Kinder style demographic these days. if they are catering to the joe kinder demographic, and that demographic is buying their magazines, why would they care that his interviews are offensive? i certainly see no business model oriented reason for them to change that based on my feedback. i dont think it does any good things for the sport in general or young climbers specifically to glorify and give press time to people like joe kinder, when he uses that press time to persist in making sexist remarks, but i also dont see any reason why me calling the magazines would make a difference- for the above demographic reasons among many others, i dont buy them. it is a self-reinforcing catch-22, concerning the magazines. however, i'm sure joe knows how he comes off, and it seems to be working for him so far, so i dont expect any change on that front either.
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sterlingjim
Feb 15, 2008, 10:09 PM
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clausti wrote: i certainly see no business model oriented reason for them to change that based on my feedback. My point is that it seems that demographic is who they are catering to. Apparently there are other readers (you) out there, even if they don't buy the mag, who have opinions about the content. I suspect there are many others that do buy and feel the same as you.
clausti wrote: ...but i also dont see any reason why me calling the magazines would make a difference... There's only one way to find out. BTW, I don't care for Joe's public self either but I do like him. I'm just not going to cast judgment on anyone from what I read in magazines with content I don't care for or fully trust. I honestly can't say I've read any degrading comments made by Joe. Guess I'd have to read the mags more to do that but that's probably not going to happen.
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Feb 15, 2008, 10:29 PM
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As to Joe himself, he's got so much "psych" (to use the lingo) that he comes off kinda like a golden retriever. He's fully stoked (wicked stoked, some might say) all the time and its a little frightening. Couldn't care less about how hard he climbs, although he always seems overshadowed by Dave Graham, who also seems waaaay too excited that people are talking to him. In Dosage IV, DG reminded me of that crazy hobo downtown who will talk to you for hours if you make eye contact. Birds of a feather I suppose.
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Feb 15, 2008, 10:34 PM
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Why anyone would smack talk joe kinder is beyond me. He does a lot of work for the Access Fund, is a model for professionalism in professional climbing and looks like he has fun when he climbs. So what if he wears different clothes than you, not everyone can be a stinky boulderite. Joe climbs at our local crags sometimes, he is super supportive of us weak climbers and always super considerate. I wish all you fucks that think you're such a better person would take up a different sport, go play baseball shit talking is not only encouraged but will get you a spot on the television!
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clausti
Feb 16, 2008, 12:00 AM
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sterlingjim wrote: BTW, I don't care for Joe's public self either but I do like him. now, i tried to keep my comments directed at what i can honestly say about- magazine appearance, but i think it's both unrealistic and unfair to ask people to judge public figures (and joe kinder is, to the climbing community) by the "private personality" when the "public persona" is the only thing that the "public" will see, and, indeed, is how the public figure is selling themselves to us. joe is not an elected official, he is a sponsored athlete. his "job" is dual- to climb hard and advance the sport and to represent his companies to the climbing public. the climbing public is going to "buy" joe, and the products that put their logos on his picture, based on that public persona. so no, i don't think its valid to defend defamatory remarks about a celebrity, when the opinions were formed in public, with "but he's so nice in person!"
In reply to: I'm just not going to cast judgment on anyone from what I read in magazines with content I don't care for or fully trust. really? now I know only that your sn is sterlingjim, and nothing specifically about your role in the company, but sterling sponsors joe kinder, according to his web site. how does corporate feel that his comments about girls in booty shorts jive with their women's weekends and commitment to women in climbing?if obviously the guys in charge like his public persona well enough to support him. and as far as magazines go- you guys put your ads in them, you support the magazines. the manufacturers and the rags are symbiotic in the industry aren't they? so are you telling me that sterling rope wants me to ignore what the magazines say and just look at the ads? or is jim telling me that he doesnt buy the mags either, because more and better content can be found on the web?
In reply to: I honestly can't say I've read any degrading comments made by Joe. Guess I'd have to read the mags more to do that but that's probably not going to happen. the articles that my mind goes back to when thinking of joe kinder were on two different occasions in urban climber. the MOST offensive was when he was asked what was "hot in climbing right now" and he spent two paragraphs talking about specific items of women's clothing, i.e, the booty shorts comment. i think references to his "skrillaz" was that same article. know that i do not mean to attack you, personally. my main point is what i said first- that i dont think it's fair to defend a celeb's public persona with "but they're so nice in private," while acknowledging that the projected image is distasteful. you can't have it both ways. disclaimer: i think some of the comments in this thread were over the top too- but i thought sterlingjim's method of defending him was unfair (and biased, re:sponsorship.) hopefully, jim will PM me if he has any interest at all in continuing this conversation, which i doubt, having said his piece and me mine, and HOPEFULLY THIS THREAD WILL DIE.
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Feb 16, 2008, 12:57 AM
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clausti wrote: disclaimer: i think some of the comments in this thread were over the top too- but i thought sterlingjim's method of defending him was unfair (and biased, re:sponsorship.) hopefully, jim will PM me if he has any interest at all in continuing this conversation, which i doubt, having said his piece and me mine, and HOPEFULLY THIS THREAD WILL DIE. Sorry, I can't let this go unanswered. Here's my disclaimer. 1. I knew Joe before he was sponsored by anyone. 2. I am the engineering department for Sterling, not marketing or sales. 3. I have little if any influence on matters of sponsorship 4. My defending Joe is entirely based in friendship and nothing to do with who I work for. There are people on our athlete list that I do not think highly of. There are people, past and present, on the sponsored list that have come under public fire yet I felt no compulsion to defend them. 5. Personally I believe financial sponsorship of climbers is a waist of money so obviously I have no corporate interest in defending Joe. I'm done with this.
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Feb 16, 2008, 5:01 AM
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Hey Christina.. go do something significant in climbing and go get an article written about you or by you. Then you can tell people whatever the hell YOU want. did you really think that Jim was spewing sponsor bullshit? really? I am not as fortunate as Jim is to have climbed with Joe but i have climbed with friends and others who have and have also never heard a bad thing about the guy. you're so focused on that one article that you seem to be closing out the rest of Joe's whole career and contributions to the community. You say he's a bad influence on climbing.. what the FUCK have you done?
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angry
Feb 17, 2008, 4:59 PM
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So what are the chances that gimikspitter is Joe Kinder drumming up hits for his website?
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Feb 18, 2008, 5:43 AM
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petsfed wrote: dlintz wrote: d. That picture is why its been April of 2007 at most of my friends' houses for the last 9 months. If I'd owned the calendar, it'd probably be the same at my house too. Actually, it's March, and I still haven't changed it on my fridge as well although I have added the 2008 calendar next to it. d.
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Feb 18, 2008, 5:26 PM
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dlintz wrote: Actually, it's March, and I still haven't changed it on my fridge as well although I have added the 2008 calendar next to it. d. Tells you what part of the calendar I was paying attention to.
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Feb 18, 2008, 5:46 PM
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I am glad to say I have no clue who this guy is but I will say that getting so bent on a young guy making a comment on booty shorts seems incredibly silly. Alas my fever of 102+ persists and so I for some reason felt compelled to read this and respond.
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Feb 18, 2008, 7:03 PM
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Joe, Colette and Dave Graham hiked up to a crag at the Red a week before the 07, Roctrip, all three were very nice, considerate of everyone there and totally psyched on "our" area which was cool considering the credentials, along with tearing up all manner of 5.13 grades they cracked me up by not watching each real closely while belaying as to not screw up their individual onsites, I even called Joe, Luke thinking he was their buddy Parady I had read about in the mags earlier, it became a week long inside joke, I'm glad they all came to Roctrip and thank them for the courtesy and low key vibe they had. Hope they enjoyed the trip as well.
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Feb 18, 2008, 11:58 PM
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Feb 19, 2008, 12:44 AM
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jakedatc wrote: Hey Christina.. go do something significant in climbing and go get an article written about you or by you. Then you can tell people whatever the hell YOU want. You get bullshit comments like this on climbing sites worldwide. All it shows is the poster's ignorance. " Unless you've climbed 5.14 or V12 whatever, your opinion doesn't count!" Well that's crap! Imagine how fucking interesting this forum would be if only those who had appeared in Hot Flashes were allowed to voice an opinion? In a country that prides itself on democracy and free speech and it's famous Bill of Rights, there seem to be a lot of people who are very totalitarian in their ways of thinking. Everyone has an opinion and everyone should be able to voice that opinion. It doesn't matter if you climb 5.14 or 5.6. "You can tell people whatever the hell YOU want", whenever the hell YOU want. Don't listen to narrow minded thought dictators who would have been well placed in Stalin's Ministry of Sports. They suck!
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Feb 19, 2008, 1:43 AM
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wallwombat wrote: In a country that prides itself on democracy and free speech and it's famous Bill of Rights, there seem to be a lot of people who are very totalitarian in their ways of thinking. My country's better than yours!
wallwombat wrote: Everyone has an opinion and everyone should be able to voice that opinion. It doesn't matter if you climb 5.14 or 5.6. I think they've both expressed their opinion without censorship, no?
wallwombat wrote: Don't listen to narrow minded thought dictators who would have been well placed in Stalin's Ministry of Sports. They suck! Ah, good! Stalin! He hasn't been referenced here lately. It's always "Hitler this, Hitler that..."
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Feb 19, 2008, 2:26 AM
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wallwombat wrote: jakedatc wrote: Hey Christina.. go do something significant in climbing and go get an article written about you or by you. Then you can tell people whatever the hell YOU want. You get bullshit comments like this on climbing sites worldwide. All it shows is the poster's ignorance. " Unless you've climbed 5.14 or V12 whatever, your opinion doesn't count!" Well that's crap! Imagine how fucking interesting this forum would be if only those who had appeared in Hot Flashes were allowed to voice an opinion? In a country that prides itself on democracy and free speech and it's famous Bill of Rights, there seem to be a lot of people who are very totalitarian in their ways of thinking. Everyone has an opinion and everyone should be able to voice that opinion. It doesn't matter if you climb 5.14 or 5.6. "You can tell people whatever the hell YOU want", whenever the hell YOU want. Don't listen to narrow minded thought dictators who would have been well placed in Stalin's Ministry of Sports. They suck! Who said I thought she had to climb something hard.. she could help Access Fund save a bouldering area.. she could do clinics at gyms to help raise money for some cause.. etc etc. narrow minded people.. like the people here judging a person by what they've said to a magazine and have no idea the situation or atmosphere the questions were being asked..? riiight everyone can voice their opinion... like.. Joe Kinder thanks for clearing that up
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wallwombat
Feb 19, 2008, 2:46 AM
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Hey, Roberto. I didn't say my country was better than yours. All I said was the USA was a nation that seems to pride itself on democratic rights, one of which is free speech and that I seem to see that forgotten on occasion. My country doesn't tout itself as the home of democracy, free speech, etc, etc. In fact the majority of us, Australians seem to be quite happy with the rest of the world being quite unaware of our existence. If you see an attack on your country in every comment made by someone not from your country that's a shame. There was no attack there.
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wallwombat
Feb 19, 2008, 3:07 AM
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jakedatc wrote: Who said I thought she had to climb something hard.. she could help Access Fund save a bouldering area.. she could do clinics at gyms to help raise money for some cause.. etc etc. narrow minded people.. like the people here judging a person by what they've said to a magazine and have no idea the situation or atmosphere the questions were being asked..? riiight everyone can voice their opinion... like.. Joe Kinder thanks for clearing that up Come off it dude. You weren't talking about doing good deeds. You were talking about climbing hard or getting your head in the glossy climbing mags. Don't suddenly go all Oprah on me. Read your initial post. It's pretty clear what you were implying. I agree with everything else you said. Joe is allowed an opinion. That's what his site is about. But this is an internet rockclimbing forum - people slag other people off. That's what happens on them all. It's allowed. It happens in real life. It's pointless getting all steamy and worked up about it.
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Feb 19, 2008, 4:53 AM
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actually i didn't. Yes.. she could go climb some hard shit and get noticed.. or could do something good for the community she says Joe is a bad influence on.. despite his non-climbing work. i'm not getting all steamed up.. just putting my point of view on someone who was a decent influence on many of my local climbing areas.
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Feb 19, 2008, 5:00 AM
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Fair enough.
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Feb 19, 2008, 6:20 AM
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I don't see it as an attack, and I wouldn't care anyways. Free speech means being able to tell someone else you don't agree with them and that they may kindly STFU. Also, it's hard to find pictures of Collette. Unless more start popping up, this thread is kind of useless, isn't it?
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Feb 19, 2008, 6:28 AM
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Wouldn't know the dude if you posted a pic. Don't care what he's climbed, ever. Never read an interview. Never want to. The cult of personality sucks. DMT
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Feb 19, 2008, 9:44 AM
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I get a kick out of the shitstorm that flew up in this thread... somewhere we went from: check out this website, to; I don't like him, he talks funny, to; he's a sexist pig! How dare he discuss women in short shorts?!?!111!, to; his rhetorical positioning as a public figure is sadly lacking in responsibility? GFG, I think we're losing sight of what's important here... is the end result of this thread going to be a date for dlintz with Collette? And if the answer is no - can I see more pictures?
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Feb 20, 2008, 4:48 AM
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Hm. Reading his page pissed me off, not because of his attitude, but because EMS is like THE only outdoors company to not use its employees as athlete-models. S'all I'm saying.
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Feb 20, 2008, 5:04 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: Hm. Reading his page pissed me off, not because of his attitude, but because EMS is like THE only outdoors company to not use its employees as athlete-models. S'all I'm saying. That's because EMS employees are the leftovers from REI, just too ugly.
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unrooted wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Hm. Reading his page pissed me off, not because of his attitude, but because EMS is like THE only outdoors company to not use its employees as athlete-models. S'all I'm saying. That's because EMS employees are the leftovers from REI, just too ugly. Still never ever been to an REI. MEC is where its at, regardless.
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carabiner96 wrote: unrooted wrote: carabiner96 wrote: Hm. Reading his page pissed me off, not because of his attitude, but because EMS is like THE only outdoors company to not use its employees as athlete-models. S'all I'm saying. That's because EMS employees are the leftovers from REI, just too ugly. Still never ever been to an REI. MEC is where its at, regardless. It's probably little consolation biner but if Colette doesn't call me by the weekend I'll take you out, name the place. d.
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unrooted
Feb 21, 2008, 6:36 PM
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Why can't I find a picture of Colette in a bikini??? Is she not secure enough to post one on RC.com??? Or maybe she did not want people to view her as an object? Maybe she realizes that if there are only pictures of her climbing people might view her as a climber??????????
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You can see that if you watch Spray
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Aweful lot of shit talking from folks who have never met the guy. He's pretty energetic about just about everything, and perhaps that comes off as him being cocky, or somehow a dick. But if you actually new him, or spent time climbing with him, you might think different. Enough arm chair quarter backing from the peanut gallery.
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Id like to first say that I dont know the guy. Next Id like to say that this thread is pathetic and embarrassing. fin.
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ullr wrote: Aweful lot of shit talking from folks who have never met the guy. He's pretty energetic about just about everything, and perhaps that comes off as him being cocky, or somehow a dick. But if you actually new him, or spent time climbing with him, you might think different. Enough arm chair quarter backing from the peanut gallery. If you'll notice the post dates, the armchair-quarterbacking ended almost a month ago. Thanks for dragging this one back out, though.
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Video sums up Joe Kinder and his kind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1QgunAmAmw&feature=related
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freeledgeledgy wrote: Video sums up Joe Kinder and his kind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1QgunAmAmw&feature=related Seriously? The last post on this thread is from 2008.
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