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Alpine07
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I had been considering trying out solo aid climbing ever since stymingersfink suggested it to me last year. Here is an overview of what I did: the first couple placement were pretty smooth, started top stepping by the second one. After those its started getting a little nervewracking, three real sketchy nut placements in a row had me a little worried that if I fell I might hit the deck, but it ended well. So I rapped down, cleaned the route, and prussiked back up. It was not a full pitch, but I wanted to pull my pack up before some crazy redneck ran off with it. I decided at this point to switch over to trad, because I was starting to run out of time, and the aid climbing was going very very slowly.
I think it would have been much easier if I had real aiders, not the slings that I had girth hitched together. But it was an enjoyable experience. If anyone has any suggestions I would love to hear them. Thanks.
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coastal_climber
Apr 6, 2008, 10:07 PM
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Get some jugs.
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austin.timm
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search eBay... usually you can find some used aid slings on there that won't completely break the piggy bank. other than that keep playing around you'll get better in a hurry.
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moose_droppings
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You doing some A3, C3 already? What do you mean sketchy nuts. Sometimes that all you get, but when you can, bounce test those suckers till there is nothing sketchy about em. Sure eases the mind. If your cleaning, you'll only have yourself to yell at.
This guys are right, get your self a set of aiders and something to jug with. Jumar, tibloc, either are a little quicker than a prusik.
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Alpine07
Apr 7, 2008, 2:23 AM
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Well when cleaning the pitch I realized that I had misjudged the first "sketchy one," and it turned out to be pretty good. The second one there wasnt much of a crack to put it in, and it popped out when I unweighted it. And I'm pretty darn sure that the third would not have held a fall. So it was not as bad as I thought it was while climbing, but it would have given me a bit of a fall.
Yeah, I will be getting aiders and jugs when I have the right amount of funds to do so, haha. Oh yeah, to anyone thats thinking about starting up aid climbing type Dr. Piton into the search funtion and you will get loads of good info. Thanks!
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Moose Droppings is right. Probably good idea to test each and every placement till you either know what is good or it doesn't matter. Going to have a couple aid ladders left over that are in pretty good condition. Only about 20 or 30 pitches on em. They are a BD 5 and a BD 6 step. Would be willing to let em go cheap after my Yosemite trip next month. They are going into the pig as backups in case and adjustable cannot make the whole trip.
Only advice I've got for you is mileage is where the speed comes from. Jugs help a lot and I prefer adjustable daisys to old fashioned ones with fifi's, which I have two extra fifi's I'd part with also.
Go get em.
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Alpine07
Apr 7, 2008, 11:46 PM
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Hey, I'm always up for a good deal on some gear. Send me a picture when you are done with them if you are serious about selling them. Thanks for the advice.
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In reply to: The second one there wasnt much of a crack to put it in, and it popped out when I unweighted it.
Still sounds like a valid placement to me, albeit body weight only. If that's all you had, then a high-five to you for finding the only good placement.
The question for you then is, "Did the rock offer me a better option than the one a chose?" And next time, that's a question to ask when choosing the placement, not after you've already come home.....(although hindsight IS 20-20)
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Tree_wrangler wrote: In reply to: The second one there wasnt much of a crack to put it in, and it popped out when I unweighted it. Still sounds like a valid placement to me, albeit body weight only. If that's all you had, then a high-five to you for finding the only good placement. The question for you then is, "Did the rock offer me a better option than the one a chose?" And next time, that's a question to ask when choosing the placement, not after you've already come home.....(although hindsight IS 20-20)
Oh yeah it worked great for my body weight. And hell no to the second question, I was standing in the top steps of my "aiders" looking for anything. It was indeed the best placement that I could have made at that time with the gear I had. And rapping the route and looking over everything confirmed this.
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Alpine07
Apr 8, 2008, 12:29 AM
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Actually, I now see that it was your first question, not second. hehe.
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Welcome to Aid, then.
And like xtremecat suggested, I'll also suggest adjustable daisies. I can't figure out how the old-style still sells.
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Alpine07
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Thats good to know. I had been thinking they were just for sissy sport climbers trying out aid.
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Alpine07
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So about ascenders. Would it be worth going with something like the petzl mini traxion? That way you have an ascender and a pulley in one device.
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no.
stick with the jugs.
If you want cheap use tiblocs...but jugs and aiders will make a huge difference over what you are using. If you are not haulin yet and just aiding 1 pitch wonders, you don't need anything but jugs and aiders. if you start needing to haul pigs(as opposed to small packs which you really don't need a pulley for) then a pulley becomes more necessary....but for now, Jugs and aiders
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I highly recommend aid-bouldering. It won't help much with teaching you efficiency in using your aiders, but there is nothing like it to give you a sense of how to engineer and test placements.
For example, start with just a set of stoppers. Try every conceivable, ridiculous way you can position one to make a placement work. Then work with two or even three. Turn one upside down and stack it beside one right-side up. Let your imagination go crazy.
Same thing with other sorts of gear. Check out combinations. (On one climb I was able to fill a huge crack by stacking the inside cams of friends against one hollow side of hexes in order to fill a huge slot.)
If you aspire to do hard nailing routes, you will benefit from hours spent trying all sorts of piton placements. Again, work with combinations. Try different sorts of tie-off tactics to reduce leverage. You can bring expanding nailing into the realm of reason by mastering the art of "cable camming" using small nuts and pitons together. The options are limitless, and the more experience you have with creative placements, the more you will enjoy (and be safe on) harder and harder routes.
Try hooking. Particularly the tiny form of this art is more rock-type dependent, but it will at least get you used to how hooks flex, creak, chip, etc., and you can learn how to move up on them.
I can't recommend aid bouldering enough. You will learn how to think and engineer with the sort of imagination and confidence that it takes to do wilder and wilder aid routes.
Have a blast! All the best.
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kevinhansen
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I once stacked three of my biggest nuts side by side, but never heard of mixing active and passive gear in one placement! If it worked, then it worked.
OK so with Rope Soloing... I spent 4 hours on one pitch of C2. Naturaly a Soloist device would have helped, but the time wasn't lost on tieing and untieing clove hitches. I'm looking for rope soloing tips.
Kevin
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well, since you took me up on that suggestion, perhaps you'll take me up on a couple more:
Until you've got enough experience to be able to predict possible outcomes, don't try doin' sketch placements anytime where failure will result in a groundstrike. Hold off on the sketchy nuts till you're off the ground far enough with good gear under you to keep you in one piece.
Don't EVER look at your gear while you test it.
ALWAYS wear a helmet.
Petzl makes the best jugs, IMHO.
Ladder-style aiders (like Misty or Yates) are better than the offset-style (like BD makes)
Two standard-style daisies, one Kong adjustable fifi. The adjustable aiders/adjustable daisies are best left for jugging (IMO), the adjustable fifi is fucking key though on challenging pitches.
Kneepads of the volleyball variety. A layer or two of duct tape over the surface of them should extend their service life quite well.
Dedicated static line once you start hauling. 70M line is handy, especially if pitches traverse, as the tail can be used to lower out the bag.
Mariner's knot for docking pigs.
Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Try it out, see how it works for you, but don't settle into one particular method till you've had the chance to compare it with a similar one which may be just as effective but fits your style better.
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kevinhansen
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stymingersfink wrote: Dedicated static line once you start hauling. 70M line is handy, especially if pitches traverse, as the tail can be used to lower out the bag. Mariner's knot for docking pigs.
Yes yes all very good advice, infact I bought a 100 meter Bluewater static line while in the Big Ditch 5 years ago and have since had to slice had to retire it. I'm thinking about getting another one because it was nice to haul once every 2-3 pitches if the route would permit.
What I'm looking for is a way to speed up the Roped SOLO process. This is what I do so far;
1) build multiDirectional anchor at the base.
2) Lead pitch using self belay on Silent Partner (or GriGri or Clove hitches) cliping dynamic line.
3) Build new MultiDirectional Anchor & fix both lines to chains, then Rap to base on static line clipping it to pro for directional help while cleaning.
4) Clean bottom anchor, then Jumar (with Petzl Jugs) up the static line while cleaning.
5) Haul when 100 meter line runs out, with pig hanging off of a Fifi hook.
Is there a better way? Cuz this takes FOREVER!
Any tricks that speed things up? I've tried the counter weight haul using the "Mini-triaxion" and I like it, bit you get to haul more often.
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stymingersfink wrote: Two standard-style daisies, one Kong adjustable fifi. The adjustable aiders/adjustable daisies are best left for jugging (IMO), the adjustable fifi is fucking key though on challenging pitches.
Thomas
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foolry wrote: stymingersfink wrote: Two standard-style daisies, one Kong adjustable fifi. The adjustable aiders/adjustable daisies are best left for jugging (IMO), the adjustable fifi is fucking key though on challenging pitches. I'll second that, the Kong adjustible fifi is my most prized aid climbing possesion. What device (if any) are you using to self belay? The gri-gri has always worked for me but I know Petzl doesnt' reccomend it. I feel it's fine as long as you back it up with cloves. Thomas
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stymingersfink wrote: well, since you took me up on that suggestion, perhaps you'll take me up on a couple more: Until you've got enough experience to be able to predict possible outcomes, don't try doin' sketch placements anytime where failure will result in a groundstrike. Hold off on the sketchy nuts till you're off the ground far enough with good gear under you to keep you in one piece. Don't EVER look at your gear while you test it. ALWAYS wear a helmet. Petzl makes the best jugs, IMHO. Ladder-style aiders (like Misty or Yates) are better than the offset-style (like BD makes) Two standard-style daisies, one Kong adjustable fifi. The adjustable aiders/adjustable daisies are best left for jugging (IMO), the adjustable fifi is fucking key though on challenging pitches. Kneepads of the volleyball variety. A layer or two of duct tape over the surface of them should extend their service life quite well. Dedicated static line once you start hauling. 70M line is handy, especially if pitches traverse, as the tail can be used to lower out the bag. Mariner's knot for docking pigs. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Try it out, see how it works for you, but don't settle into one particular method till you've had the chance to compare it with a similar one which may be just as effective but fits your style better.
Well thank ya for the advice. Although, having just bought a new rope and topped off my set of cams (going to Colorado next month, Wooohoo) I dont think I can afford any more gear for a good while. So aid climbing gear is going to have to hold off until I have the proper funds. Thanks!
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stymingersfink wrote: foolry wrote: stymingersfink wrote: Two standard-style daisies, one Kong adjustable fifi. The adjustable aiders/adjustable daisies are best left for jugging (IMO), the adjustable fifi is fucking key though on challenging pitches. I'll second that, the Kong adjustible fifi is my most prized aid climbing possesion. What device (if any) are you using to self belay? The gri-gri has always worked for me but I know Petzl doesnt' reccomend it. I feel it's fine as long as you back it up with cloves. Thomas Grigri (unmodified), clove b/u under that, with klemheist re-belay (usually about mid-pitch) to support the weight of the rope when it starts to self-feed through the gri.
I just got an adjustable Fi-Fi from Kong based on your reviews, sounds like its worth it. Any diagrams on how to thread it? What size cordage works best?
After seening Ron Olevsky cruze the bolt ladder in his movie "Clean Walls" I tryed his Daisyless approach. I love it! Use three aiders and only one has a regular Daisey.
1st I clip daisyless aider directly into the top piece with an oval, then the daiseyed aider into that. The daiseyed aider is the last on and first off each placement. Advantages; higher top step cuz I'm one biner closer. Sometimes the next placement is farther away than a daisey will reach. If test piece blows, I keep everything cuz its all clipped to the oval. No falls onto the last piece with an inelastic daisey, I clip the rope before instead. Drawbacks: unlearn dropping aiders because they aren't tethered anymore.
I've soloed on a GriGri which I should back up, but... However this week I'm expecting a Silent Partner in the mail. Now I have to back it up as per the instructions.
What are the advantages to the continuous loop method to self belay? Is it realy worth all that extra rigging? I'm looking for tips to speed things up.
Kevin
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kevinhansen wrote: I just got an adjustable Fi-Fi from Kong based on your reviews, sounds like its worth it. Any diagrams on how to thread it? What size cordage works best?
kevinhansen wrote: After seening Ron Olevsky cruze the bolt ladder in his movie "Clean Walls" I tryed his Daisyless approach. I love it! Use three aiders and only one has a regular Daisey.
kevinhansen wrote: 1st I clip daisyless aider directly into the top piece with an oval, then the daiseyed aider into that. The daiseyed aider is the last on and first off each placement. Advantages; higher top step cuz I'm one biner closer. Sometimes the next placement is farther away than a daisey will reach. If test piece blows, I keep everything cuz its all clipped to the oval. No falls onto the last piece with an inelastic daisey, I clip the rope before instead. Drawbacks: unlearn dropping aiders because they aren't tethered anymore.
With the kong adjustable fifi, hook it through your highest aider biner, making sure it's hooked on the side with unfettered access to the spine of the biner. When you high-step, the hook will be sliding up the inside of the biner to the top of it. You'd better be ready for it, else it can be a bit of a startle.
You are aware that Fish makes a 72" daisy, right?
kevinhansen wrote: I've soloed on a GriGri which I should back up, but... However this week I'm expecting a Silent Partner in the mail. Now I have to back it up as per the instructions.
kevinhansen wrote: What are the advantages to the continuous loop method to self belay? Is it realy worth all that extra rigging?
kevinhansen wrote: I'm looking for tips to speed things up. Kevin
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solo, you people are crazy!!!
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Last weekend I Soloed Touchstone Wall this Friday and Saturday and I employed the continuous loop method. I LOVE IT! I only had to haul 3 times while on the wall. (Hauling takes the most time so the less I do it the better) I had enough gear to run Pitches 2,3,4 all together then haul at the top. It took so long to rap and clean I lost feeling in my legs.
Several times the Silent Partner turned into its own Cluster F. It would have been tonz better if I could have tied the Clove hitch upside down. So the tails of the lines exit the bottom of the device rather than the top. This would be significantly easier to feed the rope through on lead. What say ya'll. I noticed that the silent partner would short rope me a lot. Especially when I'm steping up into the top steps on small gear, or when I had to bust a free move once and a while.
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Interesting what you mention about the silent partner. I've used a soloist for a long time and was debating "upgrading" to a silent partner. After looking at the instructions on the silent parter, I'll happily keep my chest harness and soloist, and just add back up knots if I'm in an overhang or will otherwise face an inverted fall.
I haven't tried the continuous loop method, and yeah, hauling sucks. I'm thinking perhaps the best method to avoid hauling would be to travel light enough to fit your bivvy gear in a backpack and put the pack on while jugging up after cleaning the pitch.
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kevinhansen wrote: Several times the Silent Partner turned into its own Cluster F. It would have been tonz better if I could have tied the Clove hitch upside down. So the tails of the lines exit the bottom of the device rather than the top. This would be significantly easier to feed the rope through on lead. What say ya'll. I noticed that the silent partner would short rope me a lot. Especially when I'm steping up into the top steps on small gear, or when I had to bust a free move once and a while. Kevin
I'm not sure what you mean by top and bottom of the SP, but it definately makes a big difference which way you orient the clove hitch.
Is this how you had it threaded?
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tolman_paul wrote: Interesting what you mention about the silent partner. I've used a soloist for a long time and was debating "upgrading" to a silent partner. After looking at the instructions on the silent parter, I'll happily keep my chest harness and soloist, and just add back up knots if I'm in an overhang or will otherwise face an inverted fall. I haven't tried the continuous loop method, and yeah, hauling sucks. I'm thinking perhaps the best method to avoid hauling would be to travel light enough to fit your bivvy gear in a backpack and put the pack on while jugging up after cleaning the pitch.
Problem is, it throws your CG off just enough to make juggin a PITA.
the nice thing about such a small, light-weight pig is that it's easy to leg-haul once you've jugged/cleaned to the anchor, and if you're using 7-8mm static for your haul it's really not much extra weight.
The static also makes a handy pull or tag line, but since we're talkin solo, you shouldn't be tagging much. Some have been known to attach the remainder of the rack to the haul line on a fifi, making it possible to pull it up to you should you decide that you need an additional piece or two. Don' ask me about details with that system though, as I've never done it. Search PTPP's numerous diatribes, I'm sure you'll find something there about such practices.
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I have been using ny silent partner for the last seven years for trad and sport climbing, and recently I have been delving into solo aid with it. sorry forgot the question?
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ptlong wrote: kevinhansen wrote: Several times the Silent Partner turned into its own Cluster F. It would have been tonz better if I could have tied the Clove hitch upside down. So the tails of the lines exit the bottom of the device rather than the top. This would be significantly easier to feed the rope through on lead. What say ya'll. I noticed that the silent partner would short rope me a lot. Especially when I'm steping up into the top steps on small gear, or when I had to bust a free move once and a while. Kevin I'm not sure what you mean by top and bottom of the SP, but it definately makes a big difference which way you orient the clove hitch. Is this how you had it threaded? [image]http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3791/85313250gd7.jpg[/image]
Yes I've only rigged the Silent Partner the way shown above,(In the manual) however the amount of drag is just that a drag. I found that the clove hitch gets too tight and I have to manualy pull the rope down from the device to the gear all the time. It seams to me tieing the clove hitch upside down so the tails pay out down would cause less drag. Why can't I do it? The big reason why I havn't done it yet are the words "Its very important that the rope leaves the housing as shown." In the attachment below I modified the stock photo to show how I want to rig it. Note that THIS IS NOT HOW THE MANUAL SAYS YOU SHOULD RIG THE SILENT PARTNER but why can't I?
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kevinhansen wrote: I noticed that the silent partner would short rope me a lot. Especially when I'm steping up into the top steps on small gear, or when I had to bust a free move once and a while. Kevin
I've never used a silent partner before, so I'm guessing here. Is it possible that you got the weight of to much line pulling on it below? With some devices this is fixed by taking the weight of the rope off the device by putting a prussik or rubber band on the rope and fixing it to a piece of pro after 60' or so.
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Ok So I went to the local carg today and did some top rope soloing. I used my thinner line that was a 10.5 and it worked great. The best part was when I got the top of the route I didn't rig anything different and rapped down. I love IT!
I rigged the line the way I wanted and the rope drag became impossable. I guess the designers were right after all.
I guess I'm going to buy a thiner line for big wall use. What is the thinest line I can lead on and yet still have a long life with it?
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kevinhansen wrote: Ok So I went to the local carg today and did some top rope soloing. I used my thinner line that was a 10.5 and it worked great. The best part was when I got the top of the route I didn't rig anything different and rapped down. I love IT! I rigged the line the way I wanted and the rope drag became impossable. I guess the designers were right after all. I guess I'm going to buy a thiner line for big wall use. What is the thinest line I can lead on and yet still have a long life with it? Kevin 
Personally, I find ropes of less than 10.2mm to be a bit disconcerting when 1200' off the ground, especially with all the wear+tear a rope is subjected to when wig-ballin'. I doubt I'd take that same 10.2mm up another wall if I had the choice, though its been used for day-craggin' at the local climbs since then.
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I've been using 9.8 with my silent partner for years ...No problem However I think that is below the minimum recommended
I test it carefully taking good overhanging falls while tyed into another line each time i get a new thin rope to make sure it will catch easily.
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Tree_wrangler
May 7, 2008, 12:23 AM
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In reply to: I've been using 9.8 with my silent partner for years ...No problem However I think that is below the minimum recommended
That's not correct. The Silent Partner is actually designed for slightly thinner lines. I've heard of people going as low as 9.2 or so, although that's pretty thin. 10.2 seems to be the thickest I've heard of folks using, and most weren't happy with the way it feeds for free climbing.
I'm using 9.8 also. It's important that the rope is dry-treated, and I've taken a couple good lead falls on the system. It's been a pretty soft catch every time, and the 9.8 is thick enough for some peace of mind.
On aid, I've tried my 10.5 (not dry). On aid, the way thick ropes (don't) feed doesn't matter so much, since your hands are free to pull the line through the device. It feeds just fine with a little help.
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ptlong
May 7, 2008, 2:47 AM
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kevinhansen wrote: I rigged the line the way I wanted and the rope drag became impossable. I guess the designers were right after all.
A thick fuzzy rope or pulling at a weird angle or no backup loop all can cause the SP to lock up. But as you quickly learned, rigging it the wrong way pretty much guarantees it.
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ptlong
May 7, 2008, 2:50 AM
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Tree_wrangler wrote: In reply to: I've been using 9.8 with my silent partner for years ...No problem However I think that is below the minimum recommended That's not correct. The Silent Partner is actually designed for slightly thinner lines. I've heard of people going as low as 9.2 or so, although that's pretty thin. 10.2 seems to be the thickest I've heard of folks using, and most weren't happy with the way it feeds for free climbing.
"USE ONLY UIAA APPROVED DYNAMIC CLIMBING ROPES
FROM 9.8mm TO 11 mm WITH THE SILENT PARTNER."
http://www.wrenindustries.com/silentmanual.pdf
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kevinhansen
May 7, 2008, 4:06 PM
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ptlong wrote: Tree_wrangler wrote: In reply to: I've been using 9.8 with my silent partner for years ...No problem However I think that is below the minimum recommended That's not correct. The Silent Partner is actually designed for slightly thinner lines. I've heard of people going as low as 9.2 or so, although that's pretty thin. 10.2 seems to be the thickest I've heard of folks using, and most weren't happy with the way it feeds for free climbing. "USE ONLY UIAA APPROVED DYNAMIC CLIMBING ROPES FROM 9.8mm TO 11 mm WITH THE SILENT PARTNER." http://www.wrenindustries.com/silentmanual.pdf
Thats funny, I've read the manual and the pdf and can't find that exact quote about the diameter rope used. the best thing I could find was under the "helpful hints" there is a paragraph that says;
"ROPE FEED
— The type of rope used will affect the rope feed assistance. The
easiest feed is with a 10mm, supple, dry treated rope in fairly new
condition. The average 10.5 mm dry free climbing rope feeds quite
well. A stiff, worn, 11 mm rope does not feed very well."
I guess I'm in the market for a new dynamic line. All my lead lines are 10.5 and bigger. I'd like to have a skinney 70 meter line for it multi pitch stuff. I'm thinking about Petzl's real skinny 9.4
http://www.rei.com/product/750706?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000
What do you know about this rope?
Kevin
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ptlong
May 7, 2008, 5:05 PM
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kevinhansen wrote: Thats funny, I've read the manual and the pdf and can't find that exact quote about the diameter rope used.
Do a search in the PDF on "use only" and up comes page 7.
In reply to: the best thing I could find was under the "helpful hints" there is a paragraph that says; "ROPE FEED — The type of rope used will affect the rope feed assistance. The easiest feed is with a 10mm, supple, dry treated rope in fairly new condition. The average 10.5 mm dry free climbing rope feeds quite well. A stiff, worn, 11 mm rope does not feed very well."
True enough. I use a 10mm and it feeds best when the rope is relatively new.
But using a rope below what they spec... What do you suppose might happen? Something to think about while you're up there.
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Truck
May 12, 2008, 7:46 PM
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I used the thing for years. I bought one when they first came on the market. It is much better to use thinner ropes. I use a 10.2. It will become easier over time. No device feeds perfect all the time. I have used it with 11mm when I had to and don't find it all that bad to manage. Loosening up the clove hitch becomes subconscious after a while as will when and where to take the slack out of the system. It really is more about you getting the whole system dialed than just a skinny rope to make it easy but the skinny rope helps. Do alot of solo climbing and it will become easy to manage fast...if you only use it once or twice a year it might never be easy. AT least that is how it worked for me.
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