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5.9 or less 4 / 13%
5.10 8 / 26%
5.11 8 / 26%
5.12 7 / 23%
5.13 4 / 13%
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DO NOT JUST CLICK ON THE POLL, ASSHOLE! KEEP READING!

Okay, I am not quantitative at all, I do not know how to use MS Excell, and there are probably going to be plenty of things wrong with this excercise.

That said, I was thinking it would be cool to take the numbers/ranking of 8a.nu, and apply it to how truly well-rounded we are as rock climbers. I have not included ice or mountaineering, sorry.

Here's how it works. Make up a spreadsheet or write down each of these groups and categories:

Sport:
-Overhanging Endurance (RRG, Maple, etc.)-
-Overhanging Bouldery (five bolts or less)-
-Technical Face (vertical or slightly overhanging)-
-Slab (Less than vertical and/or smearing)-

Trad:
-Hand or Fist crack-
-Off-fingers crack-
-Fingercrack or thinner-
-Offwidth and/or Chimney-
-Face (pretty diverse, could be Gunks, Eldo, technial stemming, or -Tuolomne slab)-

Mental:
-R-rated Climbs or highball boulder problems-
-X-rated and/or Free Solo-

Boulder:
-just one category here-

Now, enter in TWO point values for each category. Take the HIGHEST of: 1) your onsight/flash, and 2) your redpoint. Here are the number values:

VALUES (onsight-flash/redpoint)
Routes:
5.8: 2/1
5.9: 4/2
5.9+: 5/3
.10a: 6/4
.10b: 7/5
.10c: 8/6
.10d: 9/7
.11a: 10/8
.11b: 11/9
.11c: 12/10
.11d: 13/11
.12a: 14/12
.12b: 15/13
.12c: 16/14
.12d: 17/15
.13a: 18/16
.13b: 19/17
.13c: 20/18
.13d: 21/19
.14a: 22/20

Bouldering:
V0 5/2
V1 7/4
V2 9/6
V311/8
V413/0
V515/12
V617/14
V718/15
V820/17
V921/18
V1022/19

FINALLY, if you want, take the average for onsight-flash and redpoint, convert it back into a climbing grade. Hopefully, this should give your all-around level. Post it up and enter the poll if you want. There is no option for PANCAKES. Sorry.


***disclaimer***
I know that people will complain about a lot of this. Here are some disclaimers:

1. The numbers on routes reward onsighting more than redpointing. Many people go with the adage that you should redpoint one number grade harder than you onsight. This exercise does not follow this formula. Sorry.

2. There is a bigger difference between flash/redpoint for bouldering than for routes. I did this since it is usually easier to work boulder problems than routes.

3. The boulder ratings roughly match up with the route ratings. Not exactly, but roughly. Sorry.

4. If you climb lower than 5.8, you get a zero. Of you have not done the given style, you get a zero. If you only toprope or follow, you also get a zero. You are not a well-rounded climber. Get out and train, bitch.

5. If you boulder harder than v10 or climb harder than 14a, you are likely not reading this post, but rather out climbing.

that is awl.


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1. you have a lot of time on your hands...

2. I'm too stupid to figure this out. Does that constitute pancakes?


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Aren't you supposed to be working on your dissertation, or something?

I'm not doing that worksheet! I already know that in the rounded department I'm more of a lopsided stick than a softball. Blush

Enjoy your overhanging endurance climbing this weekend... I'm jealous.


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Before I even attempt to read/do this, you do know you can upload files other than pics as attachments, right?

Just keep it within size constraints and we all can share without re-doing all your work.


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I already told you I can't work excell. do you want me to scan and upload a piece of scratch paper or something?


camhead


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and damn, I just realized that the poll only gives options for climbing grades, not onsiight/redpoint.

oh well, the best climber is the one having the most fun, right?


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baby, if you learn to ask for help, your sugar momma can do excel.


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I got a 50.

My only complaint is that I think there should be a different point-value system for trad routes and for sport routes. Trad routes should be worth more points- I think it is way easier to climb 5.10 sport than it is to do serious 5.8 trad routes.
If you kept the same point scale, but started the trad scale at 5.6, so that 5.6 was 2/1, etc, i think that would be better.

Also, is there no category to quantify multipitch? alpine? aid? ice? mixed?

points based on how long your longest multiptich is, trad and sport. Points based on Grade I - V rating for alpine route, something like that.
If somebody is truly well rounded, I feel like they would have scores for aid, ice, and mixed stuff, too, even though I don't have any experience in these areas.

I think your worksheet needs to include these factors.


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O noez!!!11 Clausti noez xhell and camhead duhzn't!!!!111

Y kno camhead noe xhell?!?!?! y'z?!?!?!

u arrggghh wutz rong w1th clyming!

I vote dairy enhanced bread disks!

This is how rounded I am.


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good points, hyongx. I gave sport and trad roughly the same values, because, if everyone enters the same, it does not matter whether trad or sport is worth more.

The end result would still be: "I can pretty much show up to any crag, trad or sport, in the world, and climb "x".

How did you get a "50"? Either you climb like 5.17f, or you did not average out your totals.


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I just clicked the first option in the poll. Did I win?

edit: fixed something stupid


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I'm pretty well rounded in my middle. Dose that make me a well rounded climber?


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hahhaha. sorry, I didnt understand that you were supposed to average the values that you got in each category.

so, basically, that was a sum. as there are 12 categories, then I guess I got a 4. That doesnt really sound nearly as impressive as 50.

guess that makes me an average of a 5.9 climber.
I am not sure if I agree with that.


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I can't believe you called me an asshole.


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camhead wrote:
DO NOT JUST CLICK ON THE POLL, ASSHOLE! KEEP READING!

Okay, I am not quantitative at all, I do not know how to use MS Excell, and there are probably going to be plenty of things wrong with this excercise.

That said, I was thinking it would be cool to take the numbers/ranking of 8a.nu, and apply it to how truly well-rounded we are as rock climbers. I have not included ice or mountaineering, sorry.

Here's how it works. Make up a spreadsheet or write down each of these groups and categories:

Sport:
-Overhanging Endurance (RRG, Maple, etc.)-
-Overhanging Bouldery (five bolts or less)-
-Technical Face (vertical or slightly overhanging)-
-Slab (Less than vertical and/or smearing)-

Trad:
-Hand or Fist crack-
-Off-fingers crack-
-Fingercrack or thinner-
-Offwidth and/or Chimney-
-Face (pretty diverse, could be Gunks, Eldo, technial stemming, or -Tuolomne slab)-

Mental:
-R-rated Climbs or highball boulder problems-
-X-rated and/or Free Solo-

Boulder:
-just one category here-

Now, enter in TWO point values for each category. Take the HIGHEST of: 1) your onsight/flash, and 2) your redpoint. Here are the number values:

VALUES (onsight-flash/redpoint)
Routes:
5.8: 2/1
5.9: 4/2
5.9+: 5/3
.10a: 6/4
.10b: 7/5
.10c: 8/6
.10d: 9/7
.11a: 10/8
.11b: 11/9
.11c: 12/10
.11d: 13/11
.12a: 14/12
.12b: 15/13
.12c: 16/14
.12d: 17/15
.13a: 18/16
.13b: 19/17
.13c: 20/18
.13d: 21/19
.14a: 22/20

Bouldering:
V0 5/2
V1 7/4
V2 9/6
V311/8
V413/0
V515/12
V617/14
V718/15
V820/17
V921/18
V1022/19

FINALLY, if you want, take the average for onsight-flash and redpoint, convert it back into a climbing grade. Hopefully, this should give your all-around level. Post it up and enter the poll if you want. There is no option for PANCAKES. Sorry.


***disclaimer***
I know that people will complain about a lot of this. Here are some disclaimers:

1. The numbers on routes reward onsighting more than redpointing. Many people go with the adage that you should redpoint one number grade harder than you onsight. This exercise does not follow this formula. Sorry.

2. There is a bigger difference between flash/redpoint for bouldering than for routes. I did this since it is usually easier to work boulder problems than routes.

3. The boulder ratings roughly match up with the route ratings. Not exactly, but roughly. Sorry.

4. If you climb lower than 5.8, you get a zero. Of you have not done the given style, you get a zero. If you only toprope or follow, you also get a zero. You are not a well-rounded climber. Get out and train, bitch.

5. If you boulder harder than v10 or climb harder than 14a, you are likely not reading this post, but rather out climbing.

that is awl.

Okay, I actually did read (most) of that....but I'm not doing that.


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I think, in order to really find out how well rounded you are, you'd have to have a crazy bunch of categories.
Maybe, you get two values in each category, hardest redpoint, hardest onsight.
Trad
Sport
Boulder
Ice
Aid
So that gives you 10 values. I know that a lot of people, me included would get 0's for ice and aid.
So this gives you a numerical score of well rounded-ness, but this number does not translate back to any sort of route difficulty rating.

Then there should also be an experience category, including factors like
# of types of rock you've climbed on-
(sandstone, limestone, granite, gneiss, etc, etc)
# of countries you've climbed in
# of US States you've climbed in
longest multipitch you've done
highest peak bagged,
etc etc.

sounds a lot like way too much work.


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hyongx wrote:
I think, in order to really find out how well rounded you are, you'd have to have a crazy bunch of categories.
Maybe, you get two values in each category, hardest redpoint, hardest onsight.
Trad
Sport
Boulder
Ice
Aid
So that gives you 10 values. I know that a lot of people, me included would get 0's for ice and aid.
So this gives you a numerical score of well rounded-ness, but this number does not translate back to any sort of route difficulty rating.

Then there should also be an experience category, including factors like
# of types of rock you've climbed on-
(sandstone, limestone, granite, gneiss, etc, etc)
# of countries you've climbed in
# of US States you've climbed in
longest multipitch you've done
highest peak bagged,
etc etc.

sounds a lot like way too much work.
Biased!


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sungam wrote:
Biased!

Honestly, I think the vast majority of rc.com-ers are "U.S. Americans"

There could be a qualifier -
If you live in the US, it has to be number of states. If you live out of the US, you get double points for visiting states, or just like points based on number of trips to the US, or particular destinations like the valley, J-tree, CO- areas, the southeast, NE, etc etc. Can you really call yourself a CORE trad climber if you havent been to THE VALLEY, regardless of what country you live in? I am not a core trad climber, but I hope to visit teh valley next summer.


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hyongx wrote:
sungam wrote:
Biased!

Honestly, I think the vast majority of rc.com-ers are "U.S. Americans"

There could be a qualifier -
If you live in the US, it has to be number of states.

I disagree on that. One can get ten times the experience climbing just in CA, UT, or Colorado separately than they would climbing in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Ohio combined.


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Okay. Not number of states, then. Regions?
Equal points for:
California
Colorado
Other Western states
the southeast
the northeast


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its true, but if you climbed in PA and NY combined you can get a fair bit of experience.

PA for bouldering, NY for everything.


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wonderwoman wrote:
1. you have a lot of time on your hands...

You think that's bad?

See attached!

Haven't had time to test it for bugz, but y'all can do that for me.
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you need a score of ZERO option, incase I dont have 5.8 free solo, for example.


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how about england and whales and ireland counting as different places?


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Ahh, fair point. I made it average out blanks on purpose, but I guess if it's suppose to calculate how well rounded you are.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
1. you have a lot of time on your hands...

You think that's bad?

See attached!

Haven't had time to test it for bugz, but y'all can do that for me.

Thanx AB! I'll have to make it up with sweet sweet gheyluv tonight!

oh, and if you do not have any 5.8 solos, you are simply not experienced, n00b!!!!!Mad


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thank you. that was way easier than the OP's method.

conclusion: apparently I have a 12b gheyness rating.


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IF A SUBMARINE DROVE UP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND FIRED TWO TORPEDOS, HOW MANY PANCKES WOULD IT TAKE TO SHINGLE YOUR DOG HOUSES ROOF?

YOUR A TARD WITH WAY TO MUCH TIME TO THINK!

STOP THINKING!!!!!!!!!JUST DO.


THE ANSWER IS 7


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tb69hikeclimb wrote:
IF A SUBMARINE DROVE UP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND FIRED TWO TORPEDOS, HOW MANY PANCKES WOULD IT TAKE TO SHINGLE YOUR DOG HOUSES ROOF?

YOUR A TARD WITH WAY TO MUCH TIME TO THINK!

STOP THINKING!!!!!!!!!JUST DO.


THE ANSWER IS 7
hmm, my friend did that, too.
Learnt his lesson good, though.
Always make sure you know what's in the rollie, never assume it's just the cloves.


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Here, version two. Fixed it, one final average. Don't enter a value and it counts against you. And now in a more appropriate colour.
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Ok, I didn't actually read it as I was making the Gheyaculator. How can you assign ratings to the cracks? Where are these 5.14 hand cracks? I wuntz to know!


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tb69hikeclimb wrote:
IF A SUBMARINE DROVE UP IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND FIRED TWO TORPEDOS, HOW MANY PANCKES WOULD IT TAKE TO SHINGLE YOUR DOG HOUSES ROOF?

YOUR A TARD WITH WAY TO MUCH TIME TO THINK!

STOP THINKING!!!!!!!!!JUST DO.


THE ANSWER IS 7

I originally had a pankcake rating in there, but took it out for several reasons. Perhaps in ver 1.3


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First off, no-one cares about your stupid island. Stop whining.

I pretty much came in at 12b for both, too many hard onsights and not enough projects I suppose.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
Ok, I didn't actually read it as I was making the Gheyaculator. How can you assign ratings to the cracks? Where are these 5.14 hand cracks? I wuntz to know!

handcrack roofs can be as hard as 5.12. If you have climbed these, you are well-rounded, if not, you are weakmo N00000B!!!!!11


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camhead wrote:
DO NOT JUST CLICK ON THE POLL, ASSHOLE! KEEP READING!

Okay, I am not quantitative at all, I do not know how to use MS Excell, and there are probably going to be plenty of things wrong with this excercise.

That said, I was thinking it would be cool to take the numbers/ranking of 8a.nu, and apply it to how truly well-rounded we are as rock climbers. I have not included ice or mountaineering, sorry.

Here's how it works. Make up a spreadsheet or write down each of these groups and categories:

Sport:
-Overhanging Endurance (RRG, Maple, etc.)-
-Overhanging Bouldery (five bolts or less)-
-Technical Face (vertical or slightly overhanging)-
-Slab (Less than vertical and/or smearing)-

Trad:
-Hand or Fist crack-
-Off-fingers crack-
-Fingercrack or thinner-
-Offwidth and/or Chimney-
-Face (pretty diverse, could be Gunks, Eldo, technial stemming, or -Tuolomne slab)-

Mental:
-R-rated Climbs or highball boulder problems-
-X-rated and/or Free Solo-

Boulder:
-just one category here-

Now, enter in TWO point values for each category. Take the HIGHEST of: 1) your onsight/flash, and 2) your redpoint. Here are the number values:

VALUES (onsight-flash/redpoint)
Routes:
5.8: 2/1
5.9: 4/2
5.9+: 5/3
.10a: 6/4
.10b: 7/5
.10c: 8/6
.10d: 9/7
.11a: 10/8
.11b: 11/9
.11c: 12/10
.11d: 13/11
.12a: 14/12
.12b: 15/13
.12c: 16/14
.12d: 17/15
.13a: 18/16
.13b: 19/17
.13c: 20/18
.13d: 21/19
.14a: 22/20

Bouldering:
V0 5/2
V1 7/4
V2 9/6
V311/8
V413/0
V515/12
V617/14
V718/15
V820/17
V921/18
V1022/19

FINALLY, if you want, take the average for onsight-flash and redpoint, convert it back into a climbing grade. Hopefully, this should give your all-around level. Post it up and enter the poll if you want. There is no option for PANCAKES. Sorry.


***disclaimer***
I know that people will complain about a lot of this. Here are some disclaimers:

1. The numbers on routes reward onsighting more than redpointing. Many people go with the adage that you should redpoint one number grade harder than you onsight. This exercise does not follow this formula. Sorry.

2. There is a bigger difference between flash/redpoint for bouldering than for routes. I did this since it is usually easier to work boulder problems than routes.

3. The boulder ratings roughly match up with the route ratings. Not exactly, but roughly. Sorry.

4. If you climb lower than 5.8, you get a zero. Of you have not done the given style, you get a zero. If you only toprope or follow, you also get a zero. You are not a well-rounded climber. Get out and train, bitch.

5. If you boulder harder than v10 or climb harder than 14a, you are likely not reading this post, but rather out climbing.

that is awl.

I have to admit to thinking that this was pretty fun. I got a 13 flash and a 12 redpoint, which puts me at about 12a which is pretty accurate, I think. Although, I don't think that it really means that I could go and climb an x-rated 12a. The total possible points available in the "mental" category is small which reduces it's effect on the average score. So, to make this apply to your mental game, you'd have to add a bunch of hardest scary slab? hardest scary crack? hardest scary overhanging route? type questions.


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AB, you make a damn sexy excel spreadsheet.


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camhead wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
Ok, I didn't actually read it as I was making the Gheyaculator. How can you assign ratings to the cracks? Where are these 5.14 hand cracks? I wuntz to know!

handcrack roofs can be as hard as 5.12+. If you have climbed these, you are well-rounded, if not, you are weakmo N00000B!!!!!11
Fixed it for you.


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Not accurate for me at all, for two reasons:

1 - it gives no weighting for how much you climb per type.

2 - It gives an average. To my mind, it should give something near the bottom - what's my "competence grade". The grade where I can onsight/RP across styles. This set of numbers is nothing like that.

Sport, I climb harder than your formula would suggest. The flip side of that is that the little bit of sport I have with high numbers (relative to me) has way too big an impact on my numbers.

Trad, that score's probably about right for my crack climbing, but *way* too high for my gear protected face. And gear protected face is mostly what I've done recently.

So it's only right for the climbing I love the most, crack. Everything else it's pretty far off.

GO


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cracklover wrote:
Not accurate for me at all, for two reasons:

1 - it gives no weighting for how much you climb per type.

2 - It gives an average. To my mind, it should give something near the bottom - what's my "competence grade". The grade where I can onsight/RP across styles. This set of numbers is nothing like that.

Sport, I climb harder than your formula would suggest. The flip side of that is that the little bit of sport I have with high numbers (relative to me) has way too big an impact on my numbers.

Trad, that score's probably about right for my crack climbing, but *way* too high for my gear protected face. And gear protected face is mostly what I've done recently.

So it's only right for the climbing I love the most, crack. Everything else it's pretty far off.

GO
Did you miss the "Well Rounded" part?


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chossmonkey wrote:
cracklover wrote:
Not accurate for me at all, for two reasons:

1 - it gives no weighting for how much you climb per type.

2 - It gives an average. To my mind, it should give something near the bottom - what's my "competence grade". The grade where I can onsight/RP across styles. This set of numbers is nothing like that.

Sport, I climb harder than your formula would suggest. The flip side of that is that the little bit of sport I have with high numbers (relative to me) has way too big an impact on my numbers.

Trad, that score's probably about right for my crack climbing, but *way* too high for my gear protected face. And gear protected face is mostly what I've done recently.

So it's only right for the climbing I love the most, crack. Everything else it's pretty far off.

GO
Did you miss the "Well Rounded" part?

Maybe. What are you referring to?

GO


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Camhed, I'm surprised you give V4 redpointers so little cred. What'd some V4 gym rat hit on Clausti or something?


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AB, when are you gunna hit 10k?
at this rate I'll be there before you.
well, I'm off to shitcan the PCI again...

back on topic- What if you've never climbed a handcrack, fingercrack, or a proper offwidth? nihl whah?


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sungam wrote:
AB, when are you gunna hit 10k?
at this rate I'll be there before you.
well, I'm off to shitcan the PCI again...

Meh. Postwhoring lost it's enjoyment with the deathmurder of the BET. I only post to entertain myself, blatent postwhoring is not fun (to do or read - ahem).

In reply to:
back on topic- What if you've never climbed a handcrack, fingercrack, or a proper offwidth? nihl whah?

Then you're not a climber


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:(damn. I'm no climber.
Really? the BET is dead?
Well, if you are still online we could go have a banter-fest.
I won't be whiney or post pictures of fat asses. Or try to type scottish.


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camhead wrote:
DO NOT JUST CLICK ON THE POLL, ASSHOLE! KEEP READING!

No. Fuck YOU asshole.

DMT


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dingus wrote:
camhead wrote:
DO NOT JUST CLICK ON THE POLL, ASSHOLE! KEEP READING!

No. Fuck YOU asshole.

DMT

You clicked on the poll without reading! Dingus is waht's rong with climbing!


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