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Poll: Stick Clip Rules?
1 bolt? 45 / 68%
2 bolts? 7 / 11%
1/3rd the bolts? 0 / 0%
1/2 the bolts? 1 / 2%
All of them, you still lead it. 13 / 20%
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Gmburns2000


Nov 24, 2008, 7:41 AM
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j_ung wrote:


But whatever! If there's one thing I love about climbing, it's the freedom I have to create my own version of the sport.

This is a big sticking point for me. While I personally don't like stick-clipping, it's the freedom to make that choice that is most important to me. Therefore, if you want it to be a red-point with all bolts stick-clipped, then that's your decision. If you don't want it to be a redpoint, then that's your decision, too. if someone gives you shit about it, then kick 'em in the knee cap and steal their gear.


itstoearly


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You safety Nazis and your ropes... when you do real climbing (free soloing), silly questions like this become moot.


md3


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Do what you want. Maybe in a while the person who needs to stick it up today will be able to climb it without any pre-clipping, or maybe it will always be too dangerous for them. The problem is worrying about what other people think of your ascent style,as opposed to your area and route impact ethics. Its a bunch of crap. We all know when we are climbing in our best possible style and when we are doing everything possible to eliminate risk because the route is at the upper end of our abilities. The bogus comparison and pretend competition is just ridiculous.


Partner camhead


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md3 wrote:
Do what you want. Maybe in a while the person who needs to stick it up today will be able to climb it without any pre-clipping, or maybe it will always be too dangerous for them. The problem is worrying about what other people think of your ascent style,as opposed to your area and route impact ethics. Its a bunch of crap. We all know when we are climbing in our best possible style and when we are doing everything possible to eliminate risk because the route is at the upper end of our abilities. The bogus comparison and pretend competition is just ridiculous.

KLAWSTI! CLEAN UP TRIPLECHEESETIT POST NOW! NOW!


chossmonkey


Nov 24, 2008, 9:54 AM
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kyote321


Nov 24, 2008, 10:20 AM
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it still amazes me that trads want to push their tired ethics on everyone else. if you are bumbling up an 80 degree 5.8 slab then you may not need that first bolt clipped. if you are on a 5.13 sport climb that involves a v6 move off the deck you might need the first, second pre-clipped and all the other clips to make the route safe for you. others will hike the route one day without anything pre-clipped, but on another day might clip everything and think nothing of it. it is about the physical and mental ability to send a sport route, not how much you want to risk going to the hospital on any given day. if you want that, trad climb or do highball boulders.


churningindawake


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N_Oo_B wrote:
How many bolts can you stick clip and still call it a red point?
I will usually stick clip the first bolt of a route if it is hard getting up to it, as I don't want a broken leg(s) if something happened (hold break, foot slip, etc). I will still call it a red point if I stick the first bolt.


joeforte


Nov 24, 2008, 3:17 PM
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Geeze Clausti, did you really have to rip on me 3 times in a row!? I didn't know Ohio climbers were so cold and ruthless!


clausti


Nov 24, 2008, 3:24 PM
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joeforte wrote:
Geeze Clausti, did you really have to rip on me 3 times in a row!? I didn't know Ohio climbers were so cold and ruthless!

no, not really.

you kind of called me a stalker though. Pirate

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kylerose


Nov 24, 2008, 3:27 PM
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My answer...what ever you want to do is fine. I have more on my mind then how many bolts a person pre-clips. There is no climbing rule book. Whatever. Be safe and have fun.


(This post was edited by kylerose on Nov 24, 2008, 3:28 PM)


brownie710


Nov 24, 2008, 3:53 PM
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you can clip as many as you like but just not wearing white after labor day.


notapplicable


Nov 24, 2008, 4:13 PM
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camhead wrote:
md3 wrote:
Do what you want. Maybe in a while the person who needs to stick it up today will be able to climb it without any pre-clipping, or maybe it will always be too dangerous for them. The problem is worrying about what other people think of your ascent style,as opposed to your area and route impact ethics. Its a bunch of crap. We all know when we are climbing in our best possible style and when we are doing everything possible to eliminate risk because the route is at the upper end of our abilities. The bogus comparison and pretend competition is just ridiculous.

KLAWSTI! CLEAN UP TRIPLECHEESETIT POST NOW! NOW!


A triple post has to be good for at least a two day banz.


skinnyclimber


Nov 24, 2008, 4:56 PM
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What if you only stick clip one bolt, but it happens to be the second bolt. How do I vote for that???


On a more serious note: If I'm sport climbing I clip until the lead is safe. If I want to be bold, I'll go trad climbing.

But this comment only serves to sidetrack us from thread drift....


patmay81


Nov 24, 2008, 5:26 PM
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scottydo wrote:
N_Oo_B wrote:
How many bolts can you stick clip and still call it a redpoint?

0
agreed, with every one who said cero. Your at teh crag 2 climb; so sack up, grow a set and climb!


donald949


Nov 24, 2008, 5:44 PM
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chossmonkey wrote:
donald949 wrote:
camhead wrote:
I have actually figured out how to use a stick clip to place cams, which is awesome.

I still have ethics, though. I only clip my rope into the FIRST cam that I places. All the others that I place above it from the ground have to get clipped while I climb.

Also, if you can ever reach the anchors of a route with a stickclip, then you have automatically sent the route.
I've been known to go one or two moves up, place a cam up high, and clip it for my somewhat shorter partner. Just messing around and cragging though.
Don
Enabler!!!!
Tiss tru. But we can't let the spurt klimbers had all de fun. Us turd klimbers gots toes be bads somtime toos. Coarse when I cans clips da furst bolt from de ground, sans stick, dats a litle much.
;D


Lazlo


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itstoearly wrote:
You safety Nazis and your ropes... when you do real climbing (free soloing), silly questions like this become moot.

Aceto? Is that you?


patmay81


Nov 24, 2008, 5:53 PM
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donald949 wrote:
chossmonkey wrote:
donald949 wrote:
camhead wrote:
I have actually figured out how to use a stick clip to place cams, which is awesome.

I still have ethics, though. I only clip my rope into the FIRST cam that I places. All the others that I place above it from the ground have to get clipped while I climb.

Also, if you can ever reach the anchors of a route with a stickclip, then you have automatically sent the route.
I've been known to go one or two moves up, place a cam up high, and clip it for my somewhat shorter partner. Just messing around and cragging though.
Don
Enabler!!!!
Tiss tru. But we can't let the spurt klimbers had all de fun. Us turd klimbers gots toes be bads somtime toos. Coarse when I cans clips da furst bolt from de ground, sans stick, dats a litle much.
;D
Ive totally rope gunned the first bolt (or piece of pro) for my less confident sister before, but she never takes credit for the red point.


donald949


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Lazlo wrote:
itstoearly wrote:
You safety Nazis and your ropes... when you do real climbing (free soloing), silly questions like this become moot.

Aceto? Is that you?

Wuz wondering dat me self. Laugh


donald949


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This pic came up in another thread, cross linked here:





phillygoat


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patmay81 wrote:
scottydo wrote:
N_Oo_B wrote:
How many bolts can you stick clip and still call it a redpoint?

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agreed, with every one who said cero. Your at teh crag 2 climb; so sack up, grow a set and climb!

*snaps stick clip over knee* Dude, you've shown me the error of my ways...


joeforte


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clausti wrote:
joeforte wrote:
Geeze Clausti, did you really have to rip on me 3 times in a row!? I didn't know Ohio climbers were so cold and ruthless!

no, not really.

you kind of called me a stalker though. Pirate

PiratePirate

I'm sorry but I felt threatened by a rock pirate from Ohio! It was all on the defensive, I pinky tricam swear. Angelic


chossmonkey


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donald949 wrote:
chossmonkey wrote:
donald949 wrote:
camhead wrote:
I have actually figured out how to use a stick clip to place cams, which is awesome.

I still have ethics, though. I only clip my rope into the FIRST cam that I places. All the others that I place above it from the ground have to get clipped while I climb.

Also, if you can ever reach the anchors of a route with a stickclip, then you have automatically sent the route.
I've been known to go one or two moves up, place a cam up high, and clip it for my somewhat shorter partner. Just messing around and cragging though.
Don
Enabler!!!!
Tiss tru. But we can't let the spurt klimbers had all de fun. Us turd klimbers gots toes be bads somtime toos. Coarse when I cans clips da furst bolt from de ground, sans stick, dats a litle much.
;D



potreroed


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Stick clips are for weenies (or one bolt in very special situations) and we don't need no stinkin' rules.


patmay81


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phillygoat wrote:
patmay81 wrote:
scottydo wrote:
N_Oo_B wrote:
How many bolts can you stick clip and still call it a redpoint?

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agreed, with every one who said cero. Your at teh crag 2 climb; so sack up, grow a set and climb!

*snaps stick clip over knee* Dude, you've shown me the error of my ways...
I'm glad I could help, but dude dont destroy your gear because your not going to use it. donate it to some still sackless climber that may need it. You wouldn't expect a spurt climbing convert to throw his draws away just cuz he bought a set of cams. dont waste the gearz!


Gmburns2000


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patmay81 wrote:
phillygoat wrote:
patmay81 wrote:
scottydo wrote:
N_Oo_B wrote:
How many bolts can you stick clip and still call it a redpoint?

0
agreed, with every one who said cero. Your at teh crag 2 climb; so sack up, grow a set and climb!

*snaps stick clip over knee* Dude, you've shown me the error of my ways...
I'm glad I could help, but dude dont destroy your gear because your not going to use it. donate it to some still sackless climber that may need it. You wouldn't expect a spurt climbing convert to throw his draws away just cuz he bought a set of cams. dont waste the gearz!

So you're saying that by trash stalking my neighbor I'm wasting my time? Crap. Anyone throwing out a new plasma screen TV any time soon? Unsure

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