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I've mentioned before that I work in a gym...yay for spending my weekends teaching parents how to avoid dropping their precious little darlings and frat boys how to avoid killing themselves.
There's one thing I keep running into though, and I need new answers (the more realistically ludicrous the better) because the one I generally use is getting stale.
Usually the exchange goes something like this:

Big Strong Man: "So, uh...do you know how to rock climb?"

Lil Ol' Me: "What? Like up the walls? Really? OMGOSH I dunno, because like...I know...there's something about the tape you're like...I think you're supposed to follow that like...*points* up, and stuff, but...there are just so many colors on the wall, I like...I touch one of the holds and think about climbing and I get just overwhelmed!!! I mean...SO MANY CHOICES OMGOSH!!"

BSM: "Wow. Yeah, I totally understand that. So how hard can you climb? Like...which wall gives you problems?"

LOM: "Oh man, the more tape there is the just...I get overwhelmed, that's all."

BSM: *swooping in to save the day* "Well, if you ever want a partner or someone to cheer you on or teach you, I'd be glad to give you a couple of pointers..."

LOM: "I'll keep that in mind."

I need new answers. I wouldn't even resort to the above exchange if I didn't get it EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND.


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I doubt that guy gives a hoot whether you climb well. He wants in your pants.

Treat the situation as you would any typical bar situation and unwanted advances.


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How about, "No, I just got a job here so I could look up at people's tushies all day."

That should send them running for a far corner of the gym.

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"Why, no... This is my first time ever!"

And then proceed to do something really, really hard! Be sure to ask him how you did when you come down.


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Maybe you can take the BAM (Bad Ass Momma) tack instead of doing LOM. BAM is bound to be a bigger, quicker turn off for BSM.

BAM tells BSM that she f'ing cranks and challenges him to an arm wrastlin' contest.


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Seriously - every weekend some guys says a version of this?

That's bizarre.

But for one liners, I think "No. I just work here." is about as good a one I can come up with. Subtle enough to go right over some dumdum's head, yet biting enough to nip 'em a little if they take some time to think.


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If you're hawt, it's all your fault.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
Seriously - every weekend some guys says a version of this?

That's bizarre.

It would be even more bizarre if it were the same stupid guy! Sly

'Dude!!! Leave me alone! I already told you 6 times!'


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wonderwoman wrote:
happiegrrrl wrote:
Seriously - every weekend some guys says a version of this?

That's bizarre.

It would be even more bizarre if it were the same stupid guy! Sly

'Dude!!! Leave me alone! I already told you 6 times!'

Women are so cruel. You can't blame a guy for trying can you? Tongue


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Try this:


Big Strong Man: "So, uh...do you know how to rock climb?"

Lil Ol' Me: Yes.

BSM: So how hard can you climb?

LOM: Harder than you.

That should end the conversation.


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If you are looking for a 'why don't you back-off' comments, I think "I don't consider pulling on plastic rock climbing" or uncomfortable silence followed by "uh...no..." with a disgusted look up and down would work. "No, I just work here" may be nicer.


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elcapinyoazz wrote:
Try this:


Big Strong Man: "So, uh...do you know how to rock climb?"

Lil Ol' Me: Yes.

BSM: So how hard can you climb?

LOM: Harder than you.

That should end the conversation.
Logically, it should.
It doesn't.
That leads to "Can you climb this? *points* What about that? Can you do that up there?" ad nauseum.

On one hand it really is humorous, on the other hand it's quite tiresome. I generally try to take it in good spirit because I know they're trying to broach the conversation with me somehow or another, but like I said, it's really become redundant...which I've gone instead for snappy rejoinders, then putting on my shoes and climbing later on.


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Gym Manager Alumni here-
point to the most overhung wall and say, "I climb that hard." (because you do)

A 5.12c sport climb at the gorge means nothing to someone who can't grasp the concept of colored tape or the "purple route."

***and if you really must take the frat boy up on his offer, let him climb first and make an ass of himself and when it's his turn to belay you, ballerina up your favorite route. Let him try the same route next (suddenly the "tape" concept means more than just "pretty" and grades come to life!)

Or just turn um lose on the overhang, let um pump out after 2 goes and call it a day.

Depends on how much time you want to invest getting a nonclimber to understand climbing.

edited to switch an "a" for an "o".


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shimmer wrote:
I've mentioned before that I work in a gym...yay for spending my weekends teaching parents how to avoid dropping their precious little darlings and frat boys how to avoid killing themselves.
There's one thing I keep running into though, and I need new answers (the more realistically ludicrous the better) because the one I generally use is getting stale.
Usually the exchange goes something like this:

Big Strong Man: "So, uh...do you know how to rock climb?"

Lil Ol' Me: "What? Like up the walls? Really? OMGOSH I dunno, because like...I know...there's something about the tape you're like...I think you're supposed to follow that like...*points* up, and stuff, but...there are just so many colors on the wall, I like...I touch one of the holds and think about climbing and I get just overwhelmed!!! I mean...SO MANY CHOICES OMGOSH!!"

BSM: "Wow. Yeah, I totally understand that. So how hard can you climb? Like...which wall gives you problems?"

LOM: "Oh man, the more tape there is the just...I get overwhelmed, that's all."

BSM: *swooping in to save the day* "Well, if you ever want a partner or someone to cheer you on or teach you, I'd be glad to give you a couple of pointers..."

LOM: "I'll keep that in mind."

I need new answers. I wouldn't even resort to the above exchange if I didn't get it EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND.

Boys at that age (ok all men) tend to have one thing on there mind more then any other. UMMM , A , Yea , You know what I mean! If a cute girl says watch how I do this. It's a good bet the kid is not watching your feet and hands. So what, there just being normal. If you think for a min young boys don't think women that climb hard are cool your wrong and I would bet most of them talk about how cool you are after they leave. And yes, how hot you are also. You are there, you know these kids better then anyone on here. I would say be strong and make that clear to all that come to you. Guys "might" be put off at first but will respect you more over the long run. It's your gym so rule it.


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shimmer wrote:
I've mentioned before that I work in a gym...yay for spending my weekends teaching parents how to avoid dropping their precious little darlings and frat boys how to avoid killing themselves.
There's one thing I keep running into though, and I need new answers (the more realistically ludicrous the better) because the one I generally use is getting stale.
Usually the exchange goes something like this:

Big Strong Man: "So, uh...do you know how to rock climb?"

Lil Ol' Me: "What? Like up the walls? Really? OMGOSH I dunno, because like...I know...there's something about the tape you're like...I think you're supposed to follow that like...*points* up, and stuff, but...there are just so many colors on the wall, I like...I touch one of the holds and think about climbing and I get just overwhelmed!!! I mean...SO MANY CHOICES OMGOSH!!"

BSM: "Wow. Yeah, I totally understand that. So how hard can you climb? Like...which wall gives you problems?"

LOM: "Oh man, the more tape there is the just...I get overwhelmed, that's all."

BSM: *swooping in to save the day* "Well, if you ever want a partner or someone to cheer you on or teach you, I'd be glad to give you a couple of pointers..."

LOM: "I'll keep that in mind."

I need new answers. I wouldn't even resort to the above exchange if I didn't get it EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND.

I had trouble reading that without thinking BDSM every time I read BSM.


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uhoh wrote:

I had trouble reading that without thinking BDSM every time I read BSM.
I use another website for that kind of discussion. :)


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shimmer wrote:
uhoh wrote:

I had trouble reading that without thinking BDSM every time I read BSM.
I use another website for that kind of discussion. :)

Maybe the BSM had IBS! Shocked


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***and if you really must take the frat boy up on his offer, let him climb first and make an ass of himself and when it's his turn to belay you, ...

Um, don't ever let the meathead belay you. He will not be paying attention to the fact that he has your life in his hands. He'll just be checking out your ass.

Anyhoo, I like Happiegrrl's suggestion.

If you really want to leave them confused just long enough for you to walk away, maybe something just a bit off. Examples:

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"No. I'm a climber."

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"No. I don't like Chinese food."

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
(respond using American Sign Language)

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"Only because I'm part hippo."

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"No. I just like to see how uncomfortable the men look in those nut-wrenching harnesses. (Looking at his crotch) Yours is really doing a number on you. I thought shrinkage was just for swimming."

...


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htotsu wrote:
stonefox wrote:
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"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"No. I just like to see how uncomfortable the men look in those nut-wrenching harnesses. (Looking at his crotch) Yours is really doing a number on you. I thought shrinkage was just for swimming."
...

I LIKE this one! Probably completely inappropriate in the work place, but I like it a lot!

my first thoughts

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"Yes, I especially like the part about wedging nuts into a nice tight crack- shall I show you?"

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"Yes, for an extra $x I'll throw in my very own instructional video starring me! I'm even starting my own line of clothing!"

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"Yes...with people who can keep up...endurance is key."

That being said, I guess a one word "yes" reply is probably more appropriate.

I too had the problem with BSM and BDSM - I thought it was only me...

some fun answers though for sure!

ls


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htotsu wrote:
stonefox wrote:
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***and if you really must take the frat boy up on his offer, let him climb first and make an ass of himself and when it's his turn to belay you, ...

Um, don't ever let the meathead belay you. He will not be paying attention to the fact that he has your life in his hands. He'll just be checking out your ass.
Yeah, no. There are maybe 4 people I trust to have my catch. Everyone else can go fuck themselves, particularly noob frat boys who are in the gym on a dare.



In reply to:
"Do you know how to rock climb?"
(respond using American Sign Language)

...
For the fucking win. Awesome.


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hahahaha! those are great!


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We have a cute american girl working here at our Gym... she gets asked out all the time by BSM's... I had a laugh at her the other day tho...

During a belay lesson..

First Time Doofus (FTD) shouts "One day Im gonna climb Mt Everast"..

Cute American Instructor (CAI) "well, perhaps you should try the back wall first?" *sarcasticly* and points to the over hang...

Pretty much same ole story, he runs over to prove his manhood and is quickly shot down on the 3rd hold he gets too... then proclaims it to hard for even CAI.... unfortunitly CAI gave into peer pressure and climbed an easy 5.9 to which FTD tried to ask her out for a beer.. ."Sorry im married, but I can bring my husband if you like" Laugh


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We have a cute american girl working here at our Gym... she gets asked out all the time by BSM's... I had a laugh at her the other day tho...

During a belay lesson..

First Time Doofus (FTD) shouts "One day Im gonna climb Mt Everast"..

Cute American Instructor (CAI) "well, perhaps you should try the back wall first?" *sarcasticly* and points to the over hang...

Pretty much same ole story, he runs over to prove his manhood and is quickly shot down on the 3rd hold he gets too... then proclaims it to hard for even CAI.... unfortunitly CAI gave into peer pressure and climbed an easy 5.9 to which FTD tried to ask her out for a beer.. ."Sorry im married, but I can bring my husband if you like" Laugh
Just for that I'd send her two. Awesome.


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Glad you were entertained, Shim :) What do I win?

For the record, I'm correcting Ladyscarlett's quotes for proper attribution all around...

ladyscarlett wrote:
htotsu wrote:
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"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"No. I just like to see how uncomfortable the men look in those nut-wrenching harnesses. (Looking at his crotch) Yours is really doing a number on you. I thought shrinkage was just for swimming."
...

I LIKE this one! Probably completely inappropriate in the work place, but I like it a lot!

my first thoughts

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"Yes, I especially like the part about wedging nuts into a nice tight crack- shall I show you?"

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"Yes, for an extra $x I'll throw in my very own instructional video starring me! I'm even starting my own line of clothing!"

"Do you know how to rock climb?"
"Yes...with people who can keep up...endurance is key."

That being said, I guess a one word "yes" reply is probably more appropriate.

I too had the problem with BSM and BDSM - I thought it was only me...

some fun answers though for sure!

ls


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Myxomatosis wrote:
We have a cute american girl working here at our Gym... she gets asked out all the time by BSM's... I had a laugh at her the other day tho...

During a belay lesson..

First Time Doofus (FTD) shouts "One day Im gonna climb Mt Everast"..

Cute American Instructor (CAI) "well, perhaps you should try the back wall first?" *sarcasticly* and points to the over hang...

Pretty much same ole story, he runs over to prove his manhood and is quickly shot down on the 3rd hold he gets too... then proclaims it to hard for even CAI.... unfortunitly CAI gave into peer pressure and climbed an easy 5.9 to which FTD tried to ask her out for a beer.. ."Sorry im married, but I can bring my husband if you like" Laugh


See, right? That totally rocks! I love it. And it's always the gem, the 5.8 or 5.9 on the most overhung wall that gets um everytime. So fun!


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shimmer wrote:
htotsu wrote:
stonefox wrote:
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***and if you really must take the frat boy up on his offer, let him climb first and make an ass of himself and when it's his turn to belay you, ...

Um, don't ever let the meathead belay you. He will not be paying attention to the fact that he has your life in his hands. He'll just be checking out your ass.
Yeah, no. There are maybe 4 people I trust to have my catch. Everyone else can go fuck themselves, particularly noob frat boys who are in the gym on a dare.



In reply to:
"Do you know how to rock climb?"
(respond using American Sign Language)

...
For the fucking win. Awesome.


For serious thought, it's good fun if you come across this type in a belay class or lead class or belay test. I mean really, you can't beat it.


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Are you gals really this mean to guys that ask you out?

Generally it seems that the more that you are actually out of a guy's league, the less big of a ball-stomping production you should need to make in order to communicate this info to him.


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Are you gals really this mean to guys that ask you out?

Generally it seems that the more that you are actually out of a guy's league, the less big of a ball-stomping production you should need to make in order to communicate this info to him.

THPWWWTH! There goes the air outta that balloon.
This thread was never about guys asking girls out.
"All in good fun" - is written in there somewhere, read the whole thread - it's not as criminal as you think.


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I'm a guy, so maybe its different, but when I work at the wall, I'm also fending off advances from mostly guys, so maybe its not so different.

The best approach is to feign total disinterest. Mumble replies to legitimate questions, but otherwise be so focussed on other things that the poor sucker has no chance of getting your attention.

Alternately, when he asks if you climb, say that you don't because you can hardly stand to be away from your kitties. Or something equivalent.

If he starts spraying about some route, say simply "I'm sorry, I don't really follow pokemon".


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Are you gals really this mean to guys that ask you out?

Generally it seems that the more that you are actually out of a guy's league, the less big of a ball-stomping production you should need to make in order to communicate this info to him.

Generally no, I'm really really not. I'm married, my spouse doesn't climb, so I'm generally here either working or just climbing. The guys who know me know I'm married and I have no problems at all there.
The guys who disregard the fact that I've not given them one iota of attention outside of the professional requirements (e.g. teaching them how to belay, making sure they're following rules, etc.) and persist after my very very vanilla reactions to them...it gets old.
I know it's intimidating to chat up a female...but when she's not showing any interest, and is rather dismissive of the idea of interaction beyond a certain scope, it's time to just let that go.
And, lets be honest...standing in a gym with a rental harness bunching up your jock, your shorts riding up around midthigh level, black socks in your climbing shoes, and the biner bumping up into your belly fat may NOT be the best time to start flirting with the gym girl.


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obviously the best response is to get his number and call him 3-4 times a day. telling him what you want to name your kids, wedding ideas, etc is optional.


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Sorry, about that!

this is the time to point, laugh, and shout "newbie"!

heh

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Maybe you could just change the subject to something they can't really participate in. When they ask how hard you climb start going on about how you don't even like the gym and start talking about outside areas they don't have the first clue about.

Seriously, I could see how tiring that conversation could be.


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Or, you could simply say "yes."

Try that next weekend and then get back to us with stories of "what happened next." That'll give this thread a second wind if nothing else!

On another note - consider the possibility of unexpected consequences, as happened here, on a "best of Craigslist" posting:

http://www.craigslist.org/...t/okc/922119532.html


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That's a pretty funny craigslisting there! Reminds me of the time I went to a Buzzcocks show in the mid 90's and some guy grabbed my ass. I told my twig guy friend and he said to point him out. Hours passed, beers were consumed, and I just happened to run into friends of his. When I pointed in the direction of his friends, some poor unsuspecting guy walked in between my pointing finger and his friends. Next thing I know, and to my total confusion, Dave gets really close to this guy and is whispering in his ear. The guy smiles, looks at me, shrugs his shoulders and walks away.

'Dave, do you know that guy? What was going on there?'

'That's the guy who grabbed your ass, right? I just gave him a nice fondle and said nice ass... Hey, there are my friends over there!'


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iamthewallress wrote:
Are you gals really this mean to guys that ask you out?

Generally it seems that the more that you are actually out of a guy's league, the less big of a ball-stomping production you should need to make in order to communicate this info to him.

Oh, honestly.

If you had been paying any attention you would have noticed that, in the very first post, Shimmer mentions that she WORKS IN A GYM and gets asked this question all the time. Presume with me, for a moment, that her "staff" status is clear. Can you not, then, see that the question itself is insulting? And really stupid?

This isn't a bar situation where a guy tries to say hello and she shoots him down just for fun. This isn't even a rock climbing gym situation where a guy asks a girl out at all. This is a rock climbing gym situation where a guy asks a woman who WORKS AT THE ROCK CLIMBING GYM whether she KNOWS HOW TO ROCK CLIMB.

And I'm sure Shimmer is flattered by your suggestion that she is way out of the league of the men who are asking this question, but she nowhere suggested that she thinks as much. She is simply trying to keep her day interesting since, it would appear, she gets asked this question all the freaking time.

In any case, you'd be amazed - AMAZED, I tell you - at how blind a guy can be to what you might call a smaller-scale "production." I might call it a sequence that starts with subtlety, moves on to politeness, then directness, then outright meanness when it comes to indicating lack of interest. Then, suddenly, the guy's like, "Why did she turn into such a bitch?" and the answer is typically something like, "Because you didn't hear anything before then. I tried to be nice, but you didn't get it."

So, in sum, I'm sorry for whatever "ball-stomping production" you had to endure to make you this quick to assume negative things about women and our intentions. But if nothing else, learn to pick a better opening line than the guys at her gym.


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htotsu wrote:
iamthewallress wrote:
Are you gals really this mean to guys that ask you out?

Generally it seems that the more that you are actually out of a guy's league, the less big of a ball-stomping production you should need to make in order to communicate this info to him.

Oh, honestly.

If you had been paying any attention you would have noticed that, in the very first post, Shimmer mentions that she WORKS IN A GYM and gets asked this question all the time. Presume with me, for a moment, that her "staff" status is clear. Can you not, then, see that the question itself is insulting? And really stupid?

This isn't a bar situation where a guy tries to say hello and she shoots him down just for fun. This isn't even a rock climbing gym situation where a guy asks a girl out at all. This is a rock climbing gym situation where a guy asks a woman who WORKS AT THE ROCK CLIMBING GYM whether she KNOWS HOW TO ROCK CLIMB.

And I'm sure Shimmer is flattered by your suggestion that she is way out of the league of the men who are asking this question, but she nowhere suggested that she thinks as much. She is simply trying to keep her day interesting since, it would appear, she gets asked this question all the freaking time.

In any case, you'd be amazed - AMAZED, I tell you - at how blind a guy can be to what you might call a smaller-scale "production." I might call it a sequence that starts with subtlety, moves on to politeness, then directness, then outright meanness when it comes to indicating lack of interest. Then, suddenly, the guy's like, "Why did she turn into such a bitch?" and the answer is typically something like, "Because you didn't hear anything before then. I tried to be nice, but you didn't get it."

So, in sum, I'm sorry for whatever "ball-stomping production" you had to endure to make you this quick to assume negative things about women and our intentions. But if nothing else, learn to pick a better opening line than the guys at her gym.

Wow. I hope getting all of that off your chest felt good for you.


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Wow. I hope getting all of that off your chest felt good for you.

Htotsu: (responds in American Sign Language)

To others - sheesh. Two different people have tried to explain to this guy that he missed the point, and still, he doesn't get it. Maybe he's once asked Shimmer if she knew how to rock climb.


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htotsu wrote:
So, in sum, I'm sorry for whatever "ball-stomping production" you had to endure to make you this quick to assume negative things about women and our intentions. But if nothing else, learn to pick a better opening line than the guys at her gym.

htotsu wrote:
Two different people have tried to explain to this guy that he missed the point, and still, he doesn't get it. Maybe he's once asked Shimmer if she knew how to rock climb.

Ummm... I'm pretty sure that iamthewallrus is a woman... Wink


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Or, you could simply say "yes."

Try that next weekend and then get back to us with stories of "what happened next." That'll give this thread a second wind if nothing else!
Thing is that when I say yes, I get bugged for 'demonstrations' which is just as irritating...because while I love climbing, being someone's windup monkey isn't my idea of fun.
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htotsu wrote:
iamthewallress wrote:
Are you gals really this mean to guys that ask you out?

Generally it seems that the more that you are actually out of a guy's league, the less big of a ball-stomping production you should need to make in order to communicate this info to him.

Oh, honestly.

If you had been paying any attention you would have noticed that, in the very first post, Shimmer mentions that she WORKS IN A GYM and gets asked this question all the time. Presume with me, for a moment, that her "staff" status is clear. Can you not, then, see that the question itself is insulting? And really stupid?

This isn't a bar situation where a guy tries to say hello and she shoots him down just for fun. This isn't even a rock climbing gym situation where a guy asks a girl out at all. This is a rock climbing gym situation where a guy asks a woman who WORKS AT THE ROCK CLIMBING GYM whether she KNOWS HOW TO ROCK CLIMB.

And I'm sure Shimmer is flattered by your suggestion that she is way out of the league of the men who are asking this question, but she nowhere suggested that she thinks as much. She is simply trying to keep her day interesting since, it would appear, she gets asked this question all the freaking time.

In any case, you'd be amazed - AMAZED, I tell you - at how blind a guy can be to what you might call a smaller-scale "production." I might call it a sequence that starts with subtlety, moves on to politeness, then directness, then outright meanness when it comes to indicating lack of interest. Then, suddenly, the guy's like, "Why did she turn into such a bitch?" and the answer is typically something like, "Because you didn't hear anything before then. I tried to be nice, but you didn't get it."

So, in sum, I'm sorry for whatever "ball-stomping production" you had to endure to make you this quick to assume negative things about women and our intentions. But if nothing else, learn to pick a better opening line than the guys at her gym.
Actually, you're pretty spot on with my position on the subject.
I work under the assumption that most of the people asking the question are trying to be friendly, so I treat it as such, most of the time (sometimes there are some real CREEEEEEPS though...the over leaners, the eyebrow wagglers, etc. who want 'demos' [uh, go fuck yourself dude]) but it's like asking a barista "So I bet you like coffee huh?" or something equally ridiculous.
I appreciate and respect the gumption it takes to chat a random girl up, but come. Creativity. It's hot.


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Ummm... I'm pretty sure that iamthewallrus is a woman... Wink

Ah Smile Thanks. The "ball busting production" comment smacked of bitterness. Had to assume that's what led to missing the point of the original post which, as Stonefox pointed out, was never about guys asking girls out.

So, I thought I'd make some effort to explain why some girls do have to end up being or sounding mean to reject the advances of some of the more oblivious men. Even if IATW isn't a guy, hopefully some guy who did read it learned that it isn't always malicious if a lady has to be a bit harsh in turning him down. Sometimes it is (yes, those girls are out there), but many times it isn't.

Anyhoo, Shimmer, with all the women who work in gyms, some of them have to have some insight into this. Maybe they have to deal with the same thing. If so, hopefully they can give you some tips on what works for them.


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iamthewallress wrote:
Are you gals really this mean to guys that ask you out?

Generally it seems that the more that you are actually out of a guy's league, the less big of a ball-stomping production you should need to make in order to communicate this info to him.

Say there... do you know how to Rock Climb?


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htotsu wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
Ummm... I'm pretty sure that iamthewallrus is a woman... Wink

Ah Smile Thanks. The "ball busting production" comment smacked of bitterness. Had to assume that's what led to missing the point of the original post which, as Stonefox pointed out, was never about guys asking girls out.

So, I thought I'd make some effort to explain why some girls do have to end up being or sounding mean to reject the advances of some of the more oblivious men. Even if IATW isn't a guy, hopefully some guy who did read it learned that it isn't always malicious if a lady has to be a bit harsh in turning him down. Sometimes it is (yes, those girls are out there), but many times it isn't.

Anyhoo, Shimmer, with all the women who work in gyms, some of them have to have some insight into this. Maybe they have to deal with the same thing. If so, hopefully they can give you some tips on what works for them.

[devil's advocate] The girl may be harsh, but there's no reason for the guy to not take it somewhat personally. For her, it's just another chat-up in a long line of dumbass guys. But for him, it's a snapshot in time. It's not as if it is a long line of chat-ups on his side. Being stupid aside, he very likely doesn't know why she's being mean because he wasn't there to see all the other dumbass questions beforehand.

Its the same thing as someone being in a bad mood and snapping at the first person who asks a question, even if it isn't an innocent question. The person asking doesn't see it as a long line of bad events, but merely as a one-time event.

And just to add to this, the mere fact that there are women out there who are mean or who "reject for the fun of it" (or whatever the quote from above was), means that guys will nearly never be able to tell the difference between someone who intends to be mean and who doesn't. Simply put, mean is mean. My personal preference is to make sure that the offending person gets the wrath and that they understand why. Taking it out on the innocent, regardless of intellect, is just plain low. [/ devil's advocate]


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(lots of good stuff)

Very well put. For the most part I advocated randomness rather than overt meanness (I never really expected her to use the "nutwrenching harness" option), but you make a valid point.

That said, I'm still with Shimmer - if a guy can't at least make an effort to ask a coherent question then he's not the "innocent" guy you describe. A guy who is polite and respectful, for example, and does not ask what you call a "dumbass" question, would not get a response in ASL from her.

Tell the truth - let's say you and your belayer were at your favorite climbing spot, all ready to go, you've just said "Climbing..." and just as you were about to touch the rock someone says to you, "Oh. Do you rock climb?" it just might cross your mind to give a sarcastic answer. That's just the way it is. By posing that question in that scenario, the person is almost asking for it. Sure, it depends on your mood, your level of patience, your assessment of the person's reason for asking, and right now, whether the spirit of Christmas is softening your responses. But nonetheless, a dumbass question is a dumbass question, and is its own reason for a smartass answer, regardless of whether you've heard that question before.

But sure, it would be wonderful if each time we experienced something like this we could call upon the patience and grace to be kind. Unfortunately, when women do this it is too often mistaken for interest, and then you have to deal with a guy who doesn't get that you're not interested but just being nice, and then the whole thing starts again.


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Just to be clear, I found many of the responses thus far to be humorous. In fact, I'd say that I have a bit of a reputation of being a smart ass myself. However, I try to ensure that it is obvious that I am not serious when I am acting out. So yeah, the smart ass response is always loaded and ready to go in my mind, but if I notice that the person isn't being a smart ass themself then I try to be kind.

Still, I've asked an awful lot of dumb questions in my life, and, roughly speaking, about 1/4 of them turned out to be not so dumb after all (clearly not a scientific result Tongue). Understanding that, I don't assume that people should know already what they are asking.

But you raise a good point, guys do find it very difficult sometimes to tell the difference between kindness and interest. I can understand why that would be frustrating. Still, which problem would you rather have: kindness mistaken for interest, or smart ass mistaken for mean? My choice, which I unfairly didn't give to you (but you can still choose it now if you wish), is honesty.


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Hmm...in my opinion men are fairly uncomplicated creatures. Confronted with the same situation, my replies would be as follows.

Big Strong Man: "You climb?"/"You climb too?"/"Do you climb?"

Me: "Sure!"

Big Strong Man: "How hard?"

Me: "Enough to have fun."

And leave it at that. Nothing complicated, conveys required information, and is polite if said with a pleasant demeanor. Time wasted: less than 30 seconds. It is then up to you if the delivery is flirtatious or businesslike. You control the direction of the conversation simply by changing the tone. Cool, huh? ;)


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
But you raise a good point, guys do find it very difficult sometimes to tell the difference between kindness and interest. I can understand why that would be frustrating. Still, which problem would you rather have: kindness mistaken for interest, or smart ass mistaken for mean? My choice, which I unfairly didn't give to you (but you can still choose it now if you wish), is honesty.

That sounds very "One to grow on" at the end there :) But in this scenario, as in many in life, honesty (e.g. please leave me alone, I am not interested you, please stop talking to me, your breath is kicking - please back away) will be interpreted as mean. It just isn't that simple.

I'm also not sure you fully understand that the frustration involved when kindness is mistaken for interest isn't just about being misunderstood. It's that, when a guy doesn't get that you're not interested but are just being nice, the conversation can just freakin continue and continue, regardless of whatever social cues you try to throw his way to make it clear that you are busy, or trying to focus on something else, or just not interested in talking.

So, sure, the lady can say, "Please go away and leave me alone now," and everyone's happy because she was honest, right? Or is he now thinking she's mean? The lady can't win. Might as well make it interesting, and leaving him befuddled can be better than leaving him with hurt feelings.


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htotsu wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
But you raise a good point, guys do find it very difficult sometimes to tell the difference between kindness and interest. I can understand why that would be frustrating. Still, which problem would you rather have: kindness mistaken for interest, or smart ass mistaken for mean? My choice, which I unfairly didn't give to you (but you can still choose it now if you wish), is honesty.

That sounds very "One to grow on" at the end there :) But in this scenario, as in many in life, honesty (e.g. please leave me alone, I am not interested you, please stop talking to me, your breath is kicking - please back away) will be interpreted as mean. It just isn't that simple.

I can see that, but consequences are what they are. He'll get over it. You may not be able to be friends with him, but it's not that much different than the guy you like who doesn't reciprocate your feelings; you probably can't be friends with him, either (I know that's a generalization). Still, I sympathize with the complexity. I know it isn't that easy.

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I'm also not sure you fully understand that the frustration involved when kindness is mistaken for interest isn't just about being misunderstood. It's that, when a guy doesn't get that you're not interested but are just being nice, the conversation can just freakin continue and continue, regardless of whatever social cues you try to throw his way to make it clear that you are busy, or trying to focus on something else, or just not interested in talking.

Yup, guys can bullheaded at times, but I think this goes both ways. While there are many guys who just don't get the social cues, there are many women who send out those cues simply to gauge a guy's interest. Case in point: a buddy of mine essentially harrassed a woman who kept saying no on match.com until she said yes. They got married this past August. She's the kind of girl who doesn't want to go out with a guy without knowing how interested he really is first, and so she toyed with him. Some guys think all women are like this, and so they persist. My solution, cut out the cues and get to the point. The cues are only making things more difficult for you in the end.

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So, sure, the lady can say, "Please go away and leave me alone now," and everyone's happy because she was honest, right? Or is he now thinking she's mean? The lady can't win. Might as well make it interesting, and leaving him befuddled can be better than leaving him with hurt feelings.

Heh. Well, that's your own fault then. You wanted to have fun...Laugh


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blueshrimp wrote:
Hmm...in my opinion men are fairly uncomplicated creatures. Confronted with the same situation, my replies would be as follows.

Big Strong Man: "You climb?"/"You climb too?"/"Do you climb?"

Me: "Sure!"

Big Strong Man: "How hard?"

Me: "Enough to have fun."

And leave it at that. Nothing complicated, conveys required information, and is polite if said with a pleasant demeanor. Time wasted: less than 30 seconds. It is then up to you if the delivery is flirtatious or businesslike. You control the direction of the conversation simply by changing the tone. Cool, huh? ;)
One would think it were that simple. I hate to say, it's not. A fair majority, it can be...and the hint is taken. the rest of the time the "hurhurrr hurrrrr' mentality is a little to prevalent.


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htotsu wrote:
That said, I'm still with Shimmer - if a guy can't at least make an effort to ask a coherent question then he's not the "innocent" guy you describe. A guy who is polite and respectful, for example, and does not ask what you call a "dumbass" question, would not get a response in ASL from her...But nonetheless, a dumbass question is a dumbass question, and is its own reason for a smartass answer, regardless of whether you've heard that question before.

There are a fair number of dumb people out there.

shimmer wrote:
But sure, it would be wonderful if each time we experienced something like this we could call upon the patience and grace to be kind. Unfortunately, when women do this it is too often mistaken for interest, and then you have to deal with a guy who doesn't get that you're not interested but just being nice, and then the whole thing starts again.

At least thatís a big step over being a wind-up toy.
I think my answer would be Iím teaching you arenít I? You might add if youíre lucky sometime youíll get to watch me and learn something! That get it out there that they are not going get to see you climb now. This line sounds like it fits your situation, but it isnít what you should say as an employee. How bout something more along the lines of you should sign up for a class. Unfortunately that doesnít sound like it fits your gym which is why you are having problems like this at your gym to begin with.

Another thing - there are a lot of men who donít want to be out performed by a woman Ė particularly beginning climbers Ė particularly in your case. So perhaps you can get someone else to tell them how good you are and that you will embarrass them.


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In other words just be as mean as you can be. It's not like it's YOUR job to try and make them have a good time and want to come back. It is far more important that YOU have a good time. After all your the one that works there, they just pay you to have fun and climb right? You sure this job is for you in the first place?


Or just talk it up on here and then go back to work and say "Yes sir" like they pay you to do. Angelic


Sorry, had a man moment. Good luck working this out.


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Has this one come up?

"What? You mean rock climbing? Hell no. I don't want anything to do with that shit."


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In other words just be as mean as you can be. It's not like it's YOUR job to try and make them have a good time and want to come back. It is far more important that YOU have a good time. After all your the one that works there, they just pay you to have fun and climb right? You sure this job is for you in the first place?


Or just talk it up on here and then go back to work and say "Yes sir" like they pay you to do. Angelic


Sorry, had a man moment. Good luck working this out.

Customer service when you're not selling a product (as opposed to a service) is a tricky thing. You can't simply brush it off (and anyway, it borders on harassment sometimes, and nobody in the world makes enough to justify dealing with that) since bad behavior from the regulars leads to a very negative work environment.

I can't, for instance, walk into my climbing gym and simply belittle the wall worker to my heart's content. He or she has every right to ask me to leave, or ask that I deal with another employee.

Also, too polite (and thus too spineless) of service and you'll leave the customer thinking that they own the place. When I worked as an attendant in a weightroom, we had a regular who was always bitching about one thing or another. He bitched about the couches at the climbing wall (which is in the same very large room as the weight room), claiming that they never get used. I retorted that he should stop by when the wall's open, rather than his usual 6-8am workout. He bitched about the broken machines and the long weight between repairs. He claimed that any place should have lots and lots of repair parts handy, and "I should know, I'm an engineering professor". I retorted that in all of the light industrial situations I've worked in, situations with much, MUCH bigger repair budgets than our paltry campus gym, still could not keep all of the repair parts in stock, and were still at the mercy of the manufacturer concerning their arrival. Finally, he complained about the location of one of the weight machines (a squat machine, as I recall). He said "its just a simple fix, just pick it up and move it 18 inches". I retorted "Sure, it just weighs 300 pounds. Lemme get real angry and turn green, then I'll take care of it."

Nobody else (not even my supervisors) would stand up to this asshole. Since that last interaction, he's not complained to anyone.

Problem customers are precisely that. They have every right to expect quality customer service and quick response to reasonable requests. But if their requests are unreasonable, and you keep catering to their whims (no matter how ridiculous), then you only have yourself to blame when they keep bothering you, or when they complain to your superior for not fulfilling their ridiculous request. If your superior is good at their job, they'll find a way to laugh in the customer's face without being that blatant. If your superior is lousy at their job (and most are), you get written up or fired.

/is a man
//does work at a climbing wall
///fucking hates the "customer is always right" mentality that leads to debacles like this


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In other words just be as mean as you can be. It's not like it's YOUR job to try and make them have a good time and want to come back. It is far more important that YOU have a good time. After all your the one that works there, they just pay you to have fun and climb right? You sure this job is for you in the first place?
It IS my job to make sure customers have a great time at our gym, and make sure that the families have a safe day, and make sure that everyone has good memories of the place...it's also my job to make sure our regs can come in and train in an environment that's challenging, as close to realistic as possible, and fun.
I know my job, and I love my job.
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Or just talk it up on here and then go back to work and say "Yes sir" like they pay you to do. Angelic
It's definitely NOT my job to be the little lady piece of ass who makes the big strong men feel good about their masculinity and their manhood, anymore than it's the customer's job to be egotistical overly friendly jerks who more often than not insult both my intelligence and my capabilities.
Saying 'Yes sir' and batting my eyes and being little miss darling isn't in my job description. I don't work at Hooters and I'm not flirting and bringing drinks for my money (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just not what I do).
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Sorry, had a man moment. Good luck working this out.
Thank you ever so much for your help. :)


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j_ung wrote:
Has this one come up?

"What? You mean rock climbing? Hell no. I don't want anything to do with that shit."
lol Yeah We've all used that. The look of abject incredulity on the person's face does give me a bit of a giggle. :)


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shimmer wrote:
Maddhatter wrote:
In other words just be as mean as you can be. It's not like it's YOUR job to try and make them have a good time and want to come back. It is far more important that YOU have a good time. After all your the one that works there, they just pay you to have fun and climb right? You sure this job is for you in the first place?
It IS my job to make sure customers have a great time at our gym, and make sure that the families have a safe day, and make sure that everyone has good memories of the place...it's also my job to make sure our regs can come in and train in an environment that's challenging, as close to realistic as possible, and fun.
I know my job, and I love my job.
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Or just talk it up on here and then go back to work and say "Yes sir" like they pay you to do. Angelic
It's definitely NOT my job to be the little lady piece of ass who makes the big strong men feel good about their masculinity and their manhood, anymore than it's the customer's job to be egotistical overly friendly jerks who more often than not insult both my intelligence and my capabilities.
Saying 'Yes sir' and batting my eyes and being little miss darling isn't in my job description. I don't work at Hooters and I'm not flirting and bringing drinks for my money (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just not what I do).
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Sorry, had a man moment. Good luck working this out.
Thank you ever so much for your help. :)

Thats kinda my point. Be the best person for the job and not worry about being the best woman for the job.

How is saying "yes sir" a bad thing? What does it have to do with hooters again? For me it's just a show of respect. Yes mam, used to be also but I guess that has changed now. I'm not even sure what the hell the word you should use to replace "mam" is!!!!!!!! Crazy

As the guy walking in off the street I don't really care if a man or woman helps me. Just say'n, You are in power and they are coming to you for help. It is your job to help them feel welcome. So enlighten them!
Maybe his little girl will be the next great climber because her father was so impressed with you.
And the beat goes on. My wife is a school buss driver and get's this just as much from the women drivers as the men. "Your a rock climber?" Is not a insult as much as it is a complement. It's all how you look at it.


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To the OP:

Perhaps a "Of course I know how... the gym didn't hire me to flirt with people, they hired me because I know how to climb" would work.

If the guy persists in bugging you, simply tell him "I'm sorry, I can't carry on a personal conversation. I'm at work, and I'm paid to work, not chat."

That said, ol' boy sounds like a creep.


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In defense of those who do ask stupid questions, I recently found out for myself that you can't assume everyone employed at a gym is a serious climber.

I went by myself to one gym I don't go to often and got a staff belay by a young woman. When she complimented my climbing style (I'm really rather mediocre), I asked her how long she'd been climbing. Turned out she was not a climber at all, and this was her first day as a paid belay slave. She'd had training, of course, but she really had very, very little experience. She never did anything to scare me, but I kept below my limit for the rest of the day, just to be safe.

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When I started working at the climbing gym at the University, I was inexperienced. I had climbed some, but was by no means a "climber". There were several people that I worked with that hadn't climbed before they started working there, but everyone was well educated in knots and belaying before starting work, and usually worked with a more experienced employee.

If it wasn't for that initial job at the climbing gym, the people I met and the experiences I had as a result of working there, I would not be the climber I am today. I've climbed for just over 5 years and just recently started to consider myself a "Climber".

To the OP - if that silly guy were to ask me if I rock climb, I would probably try to trap him in a web of circular logic until he got too annoyed with me to want to approach me again. Or say something like "I've never tried it, want a belay?"


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I was out climbing at Mt. Woodson a while ago with a male partner. It's a really common place for non-climbers to go hiking. We were doing a route right off the hikers trail and this middle aged woman was hiking by and stopped to watch us. I was just topping out and then lowering. And she looked at me and said in this flabbergasted voice, "I can't believe you did that! You're way too cute to climb."

Too cute to climb? I don't even know what that means. I wasn't sure whether I should be offended or just take it as the complement I'm sure she meant it as. I thanked her, but I'm sure the confusion registered on my face. People say the strangest things sometimes!


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I get asked variations of this a lot when Im guiding, its not just a guy hitting on girl thing, its commonly used by new climbers who are trying to find something in common to talk about.

its one of the stupidist questions "so, do you rockclimb?" when your dragging them up a multipitch route. I usually answer with
"No, its my first day, the judge ordered 100 hrs community service so here I am. But dont worry - they made me watch a video before I started.

I particularly like it when they ask if you abseil much after you throw them off an abslide, cause they generally dont believe your honest answer of no.


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caliclimbergrl wrote:
I was out climbing at Mt. Woodson a while ago with a male partner. It's a really common place for non-climbers to go hiking. We were doing a route right off the hikers trail and this middle aged woman was hiking by and stopped to watch us. I was just topping out and then lowering. And she looked at me and said in this flabbergasted voice, "I can't believe you did that! You're way too cute to climb."

Too cute to climb? I don't even know what that means. I wasn't sure whether I should be offended or just take it as the complement I'm sure she meant it as. I thanked her, but I'm sure the confusion registered on my face. People say the strangest things sometimes!

!! wow, "too cute to climb"?! that is a strange strange way to compliment someone. I've only heard "you're too cute to bungle this climb" but geez way to keep your head - I'm not sure how I would have responded to that one!

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I get asked variations of this a lot when Im guiding, its not just a guy hitting on girl thing, its commonly used by new climbers who are trying to find something in common to talk about.

This can often be the case. I'm sure some guys are flirting. Others are probably looking to be put at ease in an unfamiliar situation. You're at a climbing wall and you work there. It's the easy question to ask. (I work at an art school. Almost everyone asks if I'm an artist and/or and alumnus. Such is life.)

When at work, and especially on the clock, it's best not to be blatantly rude to customers. There may be exceptions, but you're not being paid to give shit to new customers. I realize I'm not in your shoes, but I imagine the conversation going down like this:

New guy: So do you climb.

Me: Yep.

New guy: How hard do you climb?

Me: Not as hard as some folks here. You should see how hard Andrea climbs!

New guy: So, can you show me?

Me: We can't climb while we're working. So when tying a figure-8...

As another poster pointed out, I've been to gyms/walls where not all of the employees climb. It's not exactly the gym, but the local REI has a tower. I've climbed there a couple times, and found that few of the belayers climb. They're taught how to put people in a harness, how to tie a figure-8, and how to belay with a Gri-Gri. That's it.


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