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bill413
May 21, 2009, 4:20 AM
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I think that while it is not necessarily RC.com's place to make an official statement, that the test results on CCH's aliens could be given a place on the front page.
While, as climbers, our safety is our responsibility, we do rely on certain things. We accept that the rope will be up to the specifications that were advertised (the rope will not break in a fall). We accept that our harness will be up to the specifications that were advertised (it will not break, nor harm us, in a fall that is in accordance with the forces it was designed for). We accept that if a piece of gear - carabiner, nut, hex, camming device, is sold with certain specifications that those are accurate. For a company to offer gear that fails below it's purported specifications makes us incapable of taking responsibility for our own safety.
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granite_grrl
May 21, 2009, 1:38 PM
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Gawd, why do people keep tossing around the words "official"? A volenteer for the site did some testing, put up his results and stated his opinion. It is NOT the official stance of the site. Just some unpaid dude that helps keep the site chugging along, who also happens to have a pretty sweet testing rig.
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patto
May 21, 2009, 1:54 PM
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blondgecko wrote: My personal opinion: Asking RC.com for an official statement on this is akin to asking your toaster for its opinion on whether you should have dark or light toast.
You obviously have limited experiences with toasters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZslRQvv5zM
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adatesman
May 21, 2009, 2:44 PM
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jrathfon
May 21, 2009, 4:02 PM
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adatesman wrote: My official statement is that you can stuff it if you think anything to the contrary.  -aric.
coffee out my nose.
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k.l.k
May 21, 2009, 4:08 PM
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adatesman wrote: I was breaking stuff and posting about it before I was a mod and I will be breaking stuff and posting about it after I'm a mod. I'm merely a volunteer here and couldn't care less whether RC has an official comment on this or not. In fact we kicked around my writeup in the Mod forum for 2 days specifically to avoid any chance of something coming through that could be construed as official an official RC statement as in this instance RC is acting merely as independent media reporting the facts.
That was the smart thing to do.
The idea of an "official" RC.Com statement is not, I think, a good one. As other folks have pointed out, there is no "there" there. The site currently has even less of an editorial function than it did just a few months ago.
Moreover, I should point out once again, that we should be aware of the site's reputation in other corners, which is frankly not good. I can easily imagine that RC gets more "hits" and may have a higher click-through rate than other places like ST, but it is notorious for the general beginner level of its content.
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Johnny_Fang
May 21, 2009, 11:02 PM
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boy, i hope Sogdiana posts here.
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sungam
May 22, 2009, 12:38 AM
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As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster I shall give my official, and therefore rc.com's official, statement:
At this time we have no official statement on this subject, thank you and good afternoon.
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bill413
May 22, 2009, 3:33 AM
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sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster I shall give my official, and therefore rc.com's official, statement: At this time we have no official statement on this subject, thank you and good afternoon.
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sungam
May 22, 2009, 3:39 AM
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bill413 wrote: sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster I shall give my official, and therefore rc.com's official, statement: At this time we have no official statement on this subject, thank you and good afternoon. Does this mean that there is no official statement from rc.com?
Expect it to stay that way. RC.com is a chat site. The are moderators who keep the forums readable and in line. There are IT folks who keep the site working cleanly and up to date. The are volunteers who do independent testing on gear (from rain jackets to pull testing cams) and who post their reviews on this site. None of the testing done is done by rockclimbing.com. The fact that one of these testers was made a moderator was due to the amount of time he spent in the lab and his depth of knowledge on the subject. He still did the tests as an individual separate from rc.com.
Rockclimbing.com is in no way an official tester of gear, so how can it have an official statement on gear testing?
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jt512
May 22, 2009, 3:42 AM
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sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster...
You've obviously confused the terms "poster" and "poster child."
Jay
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sungam
May 22, 2009, 3:46 AM
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jt512 wrote: sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster... You've obviously confused the terms "poster" and "poster child." Jay
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May 22, 2009, 3:55 AM
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sungam wrote: jt512 wrote: sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster... You've obviously confused the terms "poster" and "poster child." Jay Hmmm... *tries to decide if that's a complement or an insult*
It's jt512, if that helps at all. PM me if there is any doubt. 
Curt
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sungam
May 22, 2009, 3:59 AM
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curt wrote: sungam wrote: jt512 wrote: sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster... You've obviously confused the terms "poster" and "poster child." Jay Hmmm... *tries to decide if that's a complement or an insult* It's jt512, if that helps at all. PM me if there is any doubt. Curt
"The phrase poster child (sometimes poster boy or poster girl) originally referred to a child afflicted by some disease or deformity whose picture was used on posters to generate sympathy, in order to raise money, or enlist volunteers."
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rtwilli4
May 22, 2009, 4:26 AM
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Johnny_Fang wrote: boy, i hope Sogdiana posts here.
As I understand it, she's the wife of the owner of CCH. It that's the case, he'd better have her tied to a chair and gagged if he wants his business to survive.
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altelis
May 22, 2009, 2:57 PM
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bill413 wrote: sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster I shall give my official, and therefore rc.com's official, statement: At this time we have no official statement on this subject, thank you and good afternoon. Does this mean that there is no official statement from rc.com?
I see what you did there....sneaky....
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bill413
May 22, 2009, 5:13 PM
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altelis wrote: bill413 wrote: sungam wrote: As rc.com's one and only sponsored athlete/poster I shall give my official, and therefore rc.com's official, statement: At this time we have no official statement on this subject, thank you and good afternoon. Does this mean that there is no official statement from rc.com? I see what you did there....sneaky.... 
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redsox5945
May 24, 2009, 5:38 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: IsayAutumn wrote: Legitimate question: Why should I care what RC.com administrators say about a product? cause when CCH files a fat lawsuit on RC and wins, your As* and mine will be shipped to a different site.
haha what are they going to do? sue the internet?
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mheyman
May 25, 2009, 1:21 PM
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An official statement is not necessary, and likely not possible from Aric's tests. If I remember correctly his lab is not accredited, and the low number of samples is only indicative.
That doesn't lessen the service Aric is doing the climbing community by making good though not official information available.
This latest information will likely cause me to retire even my three remaining 15 yr old Aliens. Perhaps I will donate them to Aric so that others have a better feel for units they have been using for a long time and felt safe with.
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sungam
May 25, 2009, 4:06 PM
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mheyman wrote: An official statement is not necessary, and likely not possible from Aric's tests. If I remember correctly his lab is not accredited, and the low number of samples is only indicative. That doesn't lessen the service Aric is doing the climbing community by making good though not official information available. This latest information will likely cause me to retire even my three remaining 15 yr old Aliens. Perhaps I will donate them to Aric so that others have a better feel for units they have been using for a long time and felt safe with.
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