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sungam
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You know the drill. Risk factor 1: Helmet Foam only helmet +25 points Non-climbing helmet +100 points Risk Factor 2: Footwear Trendy approach shoes +15 points Plastics +5 points Has to remove climbing shoes during route from fit, +25 points cotton socks +25 points Risk factor 3: Harness Less then 4 gear loops +n points, where n= 4-number of loops Risk factor 4: Belay devices Any autolocker +25 points risk factor 5: rack Uneccasary cams - +10 points for each cam above camalot 3 or below camalot .5, unless specially needed Hexes, as replacment for 2nd set of cams -25 points, uneeded, +25 points Nuts -5 points for having WC ultralights in the smaller sizes. +10 points for each sport draw. +5points if they double up their double shoulder length slings and put them over their should instead of clipping them to themselves around the shoulder for easy removal. +50 points for any gear they haven't already used twice (not the exact piece, but that type). Risk factor 6: uneccasary shit on harness Nalgene +5 pertex windcheater (a la montane) clipped to the back -5 no "oh shit" beaner +25 chalkbag attached with anything but full-strength cord or bootlace +15 Daisy chains wrapped around +10 Risk factor 7: topo +10 for full book +5 for torn out page -5 for lamented cut out. -another 5 points if they already read over it several times and barely have to glance at it. Risk factor 8: clothing +50 for each piece of cotton clothing (unless it's a T in the backpack for a summit shot) +15 if they start the approach with all their clothes on. +10 for anything down filled other then sleepingbag +5 for cheapo walking poles risk factor 9: facial hair full beard to protect them from the elements -15 skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. Risk factor 10: pack -25 if it's cold cold world or gilogear +10 if it has side pockets +5 for each thing hanging off the side. +10 if it's not made by a reputable brand +15 if there's no removable backplate. >100 = cutz the rope and run >75 = newb >50 = sketch >25 = iffy >0 sounds good 0 or less - good partner. <-50 fuck yeah.
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Do I have to copyright my posts?! Jay
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bennydh
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jt512 wrote: Do I have to copyright my posts?! Jay Section (h) of the "Terms of Service" addresses reproduction and use by RC.noob, but there is a little bit of ambiguity as to whether or not other users can copy or use, user generated content, and whether or not you maintain ownership over the content you post. ::Insert bored smiley here::
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I climb some mountains nude..class 5 even... how many points? although I'll admit I usually cheat and use worn out walmart cheepo shoes and have clothes stashed in a pack somewhere below. looking forward to shasta next weekend...cmon decent weather..
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skiclimb wrote: I climb some mountains nude..class 5 even... how many points? although I'll admit I usually cheat and use worn out walmart cheepo shoes and have clothes stashed in a pack somewhere below. looking forward to shasta next weekend...cmon decent weather.. Wait, what? Which weekend? The one coming or the one after? Maybe see you there...
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Yay I can does alpinez! (0 points, damned down vest cost me. Usually get a beard going for an alpine trip but it's not thick enough to get me anti-noob-points until it's time to head back home.) Oh btw should it not be -5 points for each gaffa tape repair on the clothes? No altimeter: +15 Crampons without anti-balling plates: +50 Tech ice tool for a glacier approach: +20 (some bad ass alpinist know how to use them for rescue. +50 if climber does not look bad ass) On a motorized approach (télèpherique, cog wheel train; whatever) Stunned by the view: +10 Breaks out camera: +10 Calling out names of summits: +5 Getting them wrong: +20 Desperately getting some sleep: -15
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sungam
Aug 19, 2009, 5:23 PM
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Fine additions omfgwtf@ me forgetting to put something in about tools and poons, but "stunned by the view"... First time to, say, the Bugaboos always stuns. It's just so freaking awesome.
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sungam wrote: risk factor 9: facial hair full beard to protect them from the elements -15 skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. Um, even for the women?
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tigerlilly wrote: sungam wrote: risk factor 9: facial hair full beard to protect them from the elements -15 skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. Um, even for the women? Yes, even for the women. In fact, have another -50 just for being a woman with facial hair. I'm serious, you can have all-50 of them, that is bad ass.
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Trendy approach shoes +15 Green, yellow and red aliens +30 Laminated topos -5 I'm "iffy" by your criteria, so something must be missing. Because without doubt, I should be in the "cut the rope and run" category. Ahh. That's it. You didn't list "drinks wine coolers after sending: -1,000,000 points" amongst your criteria.
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French rabbit or gag in a bag?
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skiclimb wrote: I climb some mountains nude..class 5 even... how many points? although I'll admit I usually cheat and use worn out walmart cheepo shoes and have clothes stashed in a pack somewhere below. looking forward to shasta next weekend...cmon decent weather.. A late summer scramble up a 14er?......sounds lame, I think I'll stay at home, get drunk, talk sh*t on the web, then do some bouldering.
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In reply to: skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. Does this include pubic hair? There are several possibilities here. To list a few...the hitler stache, the landing strip, all natural, trimmed, shaved, the bonzai tree, the joe dirt, the lightning bolt, fuzzy peaches, and my favorite- the unibrow. point ratings please?
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sungam
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bobbj22 wrote: In reply to: skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. Does this include pubic hair? There are several possibilities here. To list a few...the hitler stache, the landing strip, all natural, trimmed, shaved, the bonzai tree, the joe dirt, the lightning bolt, fuzzy peaches, and my favorite- the unibrow. point ratings please? If I'm seeing a chick's bush layout, then I already know enough about her (as in, I would know stuff about her to go to that point, not "oh I saw her vag she's kewl"), if a guy is flashing me his junk, we have a similar sense of humor so CLIMB ON!
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i_h8_choss wrote: skiclimb wrote: I climb some mountains nude..class 5 even... how many points? although I'll admit I usually cheat and use worn out walmart cheepo shoes and have clothes stashed in a pack somewhere below. looking forward to shasta next weekend...cmon decent weather.. A late summer scramble up a 14er?......sounds lame, I think I'll stay at home, get drunk, talk sh*t on the web, then do some bouldering. This late in the season, you climb glaciers...not scree. Have fun bouldering.
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Aug 19, 2009, 10:20 PM
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A third lung -50
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sungam
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moose_droppings wrote: A third lung -50 3rd lung?
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i_h8_choss
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Suncups everywhere, soft slush by 9a.m.? I usually climb on glaciers in May/June. The views still the same though.
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moose_droppings
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Gotta wonder with some of those guys.
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Risk factor 1: Helmet Foam only helmet +25 points Think we have discussed this before...i'm all about the foam I get 25. Risk Factor 2: Footwear Trendy approach shoes +15 points Has to remove climbing shoes during route from fit, +25 points I get full score on this...What do I get for scrambling back to the pack barefoot (put the rock shoes on for the scree bits) because I didn't want to carry my fancy approach shoes up a 5.11 and my rock shoes hurt like hell by the end? 40 pts Risk factor 4: Belay devices Any autolocker +25 Have wished I had (when my partner starts dogging) but haven't actually taken it on anything truly alpine risk factor 5: rack +10 points for each sport draw. On harder routes I usually carry and use a couple of wire gate sport draws along with a bunch of tripled slings. 20pts Risk factor 6: uneccasary shit on harness Nalgene +5 What if the pack is left at the base? Where do you put the water then? 5pts Daisy chains wrapped around +10 Not sure what this means but i do carry a girth double sling for a tether. 15 pts Risk factor 7: topo I've done all of em but tend towards a zerox in a ziplock 0pts Risk factor 8: clothing +15 if they start the approach with all their clothes on. Start of the approach is often the coldest part of the day...I often start bundled and plan on stripping down as soon as I'm warm. 15 pts risk factor 9: facial hair full beard to protect them from the elements -15 -15 points Risk factor 10: pack +5 for each thing hanging off the side. Pretty often I'll take a small pack with stuff that will be in use on the climb (rock shoes, harness, helmet, butterfly coiled rope) hanging outside on the approach. 5 pts Total: 105 pts
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Seriously, foam only on a long alpine route? What if you get hit by 2 rocks or big chunks of ice? I've certainly taken a hit hard enough to damage a foam helmet prior to being hit repeatidly by smaller chunks of ice, a foam would have sucked ass then.
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I don't climb ice very often (not since i made the switch to foam come to think of it) and tend towards steeper and cleaner rock routes. These also tend to have harder free moves and as such i feel flipping in a fall is a bigger worry then getting hit with anything. This study convinced me foam was the way to go: http://www.thebmc.co.uk/Feature.aspx?id=1534 I might pick up a foam and hard shell helmet if there is a good one on the market when my bd tracer gets retired but for now it is serving me quite well...its even caught its share of gravel/kitty litter.
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sungam
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ryanb wrote: I don't climb ice very often (not since i made the switch to foam come to think of it) and tend towards steeper and cleaner rock routes. These also tend to have harder free moves and as such i feel flipping in a fall is a bigger worry then getting hit with anything. Well, that's fair enough then. I guess whenever I think of alpine climbing I also think of ice climbing as part of that. I guess on stuff like hard routes in the Bugaboos a foam helmet would be best, but when I think of alpine, I always think of Ben Nevis ice rain and Caingorm death blocks.
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sungam wrote: ryanb wrote: I don't climb ice very often (not since i made the switch to foam come to think of it) and tend towards steeper and cleaner rock routes. These also tend to have harder free moves and as such i feel flipping in a fall is a bigger worry then getting hit with anything. Well, that's fair enough then. I guess whenever I think of alpine climbing I also think of ice climbing as part of that. I guess on stuff like hard routes in the Bugaboos a foam helmet would be best, but when I think of alpine, I always think of Ben Nevis ice rain and Caingorm death blocks. of course, if you do get smoked by a rock/ice or bangy your mellon in a fall, i bet you'd rather have a helmet that doesn't need to be replaced mid-route. +99 for carrying an extra foam helmet on your harness incase the other gets cracked. -10 if helmet has cool stickers that are all scratched to shit.
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EvilMonkey wrote: sungam wrote: ryanb wrote: I don't climb ice very often (not since i made the switch to foam come to think of it) and tend towards steeper and cleaner rock routes. These also tend to have harder free moves and as such i feel flipping in a fall is a bigger worry then getting hit with anything. Well, that's fair enough then. I guess whenever I think of alpine climbing I also think of ice climbing as part of that. I guess on stuff like hard routes in the Bugaboos a foam helmet would be best, but when I think of alpine, I always think of Ben Nevis ice rain and Caingorm death blocks. of course, if you do get smoked by a rock/ice or bangy your mellon in a fall, i bet you'd rather have a helmet that doesn't need to be replaced mid-route. +99 for carrying an extra foam helmet on your harness incase the other gets cracked. -10 if helmet has cool stickers that are all scratched to shit. I prefer sticker free helmets. If I'm going to have a bunch of stupid advertisement stickers on my helmet, I better be getting fucking paid to. Anyways, I don't wanna cover up the sexy pink colour:
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sungam wrote: Fine additions omfgwtf@ me forgetting to put something in about tools and poons, but "stunned by the view"... First time to, say, the Bugaboos always stuns. It's just so freaking awesome. Nuff said.
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Guran wrote: sungam wrote: Fine additions omfgwtf@ me forgetting to put something in about tools and poons, but "stunned by the view"... First time to, say, the Bugaboos always stuns. It's just so freaking awesome. Nuff said. Wait, I'm a n00b because I'm from another continent?
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In reply to: I prefer sticker free helmets. If I'm going to have a bunch of stupid advertisement stickers on my helmet, I better be getting fucking paid to. Anyways, I don't wanna cover up the sexy pink colour: you make a good arguement. if my helmet was pink, i wouldn't cover it in stickers either. why waste good stickers on a helmet i'd never wear in public? +10 for spelling color with a "u".
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EvilMonkey wrote: In reply to: I prefer sticker free helmets. If I'm going to have a bunch of stupid advertisement stickers on my helmet, I better be getting fucking paid to. Anyways, I don't wanna cover up the sexy pink colour: you make a good arguement. if my helmet was pink, i wouldn't cover it in stickers either. why waste good stickers on a helmet i'd never wear in public? +10 for spelling color with a "u". Catch up with the rest of the world, nooub!
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sungam wrote: -5 for lamented cut out. What if you're not sorry that you cut it out?
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gmggg wrote: sungam wrote: -5 for lamented cut out. What if you're not sorry that you cut it out? fuckin' spell check -.-
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sungam wrote: You know the drill. Risk Factor 2: Footwear Trendy approach shoes +15 points Risk factor 4: Belay devices Any autolocker +25 points risk factor 5: rack +10 points for each cam below camalot .5, unless specially needed Risk factor 6: uneccasary shit on harness no "oh shit" beaner +25 Risk factor 7: topo +10 for full book Risk factor 8: clothing +50 for each piece of cotton clothing (unless it's a T in the backpack for a summit shot) Risk factor 10: pack +15 if there's no removable backplate. >100 = cutz the rope and run >75 = newb >50 = sketch >25 = iffy >0 sounds good 0 or less - good partner. <-50 fuck yeah. I failed your n00b test at 160 points. Approach shoes to save weight (on most routes). Does ATC Guide count for autolocking? Camalots 0.3 and 0.4 are very handy on rock pitches. I used them both on the first pitch of Fitzroy for crack jumaring and they are very light weight. Oh shit biner is extra weight - I can afford to leave my ultra-lights. I always carry a full book in case I get off route. I love my old school army cotton shirt although I know it takes ages to dry. Why would I need a removable backplate?
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Okay I'll try this.
sungam wrote: You know the drill. Risk factor 1: Helmet Foam only helmet +25 points Non-climbing helmet +100 points I get +25 for a foam helmet. It's light and looks cool, and that's what really matters, right?
In reply to: Risk Factor 2: Footwear Trendy approach shoes +15 points Plastics +5 points Has to remove climbing shoes during route from fit, +25 points cotton socks +25 points That's dumb, what if you want plastics for the route? Anyway I'd usually be +0 here.
In reply to: Risk factor 3: Harness Less then 4 gear loops +n points, where n= 4-number of loops I have 6 gear loops (sewed 2 on). Do I get -2 here?
In reply to: Risk factor 4: Belay devices Any autolocker +25 points This makes sense. +0
In reply to: risk factor 5: rack Uneccasary cams - +10 points for each cam above camalot 3 or below camalot .5, unless specially needed Hexes, as replacment for 2nd set of cams -25 points, uneeded, +25 points Nuts -5 points for having WC ultralights in the smaller sizes. +10 points for each sport draw. +5points if they double up their double shoulder length slings and put them over their should instead of clipping them to themselves around the shoulder for easy removal. +50 points for any gear they haven't already used twice (not the exact piece, but that type). I usually take some TCUs, blue and yellow, they are super light. Apparently I get +20 for that. And fuck hexes. If you're sending hard down in the lowlands without them (and if you're sending hard, you're not using them) then why would take them up to send hard in the alpine? I'll trade some weight for the speed and efficiency of cams. Guess I get +25 for that. -5 for WC ultralight nuts. +40
In reply to: Risk factor 6: uneccasary shit on harness Nalgene +5 pertex windcheater (a la montane) clipped to the back -5 no "oh shit" beaner +25 chalkbag attached with anything but full-strength cord or bootlace +15 Daisy chains wrapped around +10 Don't have an "oh shit" biner. What are you gonna put on there? Knife and a prussic? I've got those in other places. I'm not giving myself +25 because that's stupid.
In reply to: Risk factor 7: topo +10 for full book +5 for torn out page -5 for lamented cut out. -another 5 points if they already read over it several times and barely have to glance at it. I usually have a piece of paper. I'll give myself +0
In reply to: Risk factor 8: clothing +50 for each piece of cotton clothing (unless it's a T in the backpack for a summit shot) +15 if they start the approach with all their clothes on. +10 for anything down filled other then sleepingbag +5 for cheapo walking poles +0
In reply to: risk factor 9: facial hair full beard to protect them from the elements -15 skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. +0
In reply to: Risk factor 10: pack -25 if it's cold cold world or gilogear +10 if it has side pockets +5 for each thing hanging off the side. +10 if it's not made by a reputable brand +15 if there's no removable backplate. I have a cilogear, so I guess I get -25, but that is retarded. I don't understand the cilogear circlejerk, it makes me not want to own one.
In reply to: >100 = cutz the rope and run >75 = newb >50 = sketch >25 = iffy >0 sounds good 0 or less - good partner. <-50 fuck yeah. Looks like I get 38. I think you need to focus more on stuff like wearing your helmet, boots, and carrying ice axe around town, wearing matching softshells, and spraying a lot.
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adnix wrote: I failed your n00b test at 160 points. Approach shoes to save weight (on most routes). Does ATC Guide count for autolocking? Camalots 0.3 and 0.4 are very handy on rock pitches. I used them both on the first pitch of Fitzroy for crack jumaring and they are very light weight. Oh shit biner is extra weight - I can afford to leave my ultra-lights. I always carry a full book in case I get off route. I love my old school army cotton shirt although I know it takes ages to dry. Why would I need a removable backplate? Sorry, thanks for correcting me, I didn't mean to write backplate, I meant to write bivi pad - I think people got what I mean, though. Again, with the approach shoes - if it's rock with an easy approach then those are fine, but if there are glaciers or ice involved, then I don't wanna sit around while you switch to yore approach shoes. and yes (when I'm in good shape) I probably can keep up with you in my boots. ATC guide is not autolocking, by that I meant grigri or cinch or eddy etc.
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Another note - I wasn't actually serious when I wrote this I just wanted to write about the facial hair, which I thought was hilarious.
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glahhg wrote: Okay I'll try this. sungam wrote: risk factor 9: facial hair full beard to protect them from the elements -15 skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. +0 Kain style skinny mustache with sideburns?
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welle wrote: glahhg wrote: Okay I'll try this. sungam wrote: risk factor 9: facial hair full beard to protect them from the elements -15 skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 (-another 10 if they rock the pipe Kain style, too) sideburns +5 -5 if it's grey. +0 Kain style skinny mustache with sideburns? Kain
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I know what Kain looks like. I was just having fun with numbers... skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 sideburns +5 equals zero :)
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welle wrote: I know what Kain looks like. I was just having fun with numbers... skinny mustache +5 Kain style mustache -10 sideburns +5 equals zero :) But a Kian 'tash isn't skinny, so it doesn't werke...
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sungam wrote: +10 for anything down filled other then sleepingbag Just being curious, why the hate towards down jackets? I tend to get cold easily at altitude, and sure loved having one for walking around camp or even during breaks in the day.
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sungam
Aug 21, 2009, 11:10 PM
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nattfodd wrote: sungam wrote: +10 for anything down filled other then sleepingbag Just being curious, why the hate towards down jackets? I tend to get cold easily at altitude, and sure loved having one for walking around camp or even during breaks in the day. Again, I mostly climb in Haggisland. Dampness is a major issue at almost all times. DAS parka 4 lyfe!!!
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dreday3000
Aug 21, 2009, 11:21 PM
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EvilMonkey wrote: -10 if helmet has cool stickers that are all scratched to shit. no.
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adnix
Aug 22, 2009, 6:07 AM
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sungam wrote: Again, with the approach shoes - if it's rock with an easy approach then those are fine, but if there are glaciers or ice involved, then I don't wanna sit around while you switch to yore approach shoes. This summer I also saw a guy glissading 30-40 degree snow couloir wearing Guide Tennies. He definitely was no beginner.
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sungam
Aug 22, 2009, 6:21 AM
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adnix wrote: sungam wrote: Again, with the approach shoes - if it's rock with an easy approach then those are fine, but if there are glaciers or ice involved, then I don't wanna sit around while you switch to yore approach shoes. This summer I also saw a guy glissading 30-40 degree snow couloir wearing Guide Tennies. He definitely was no beginner. He probably wasn't, but like I said before - I was thinking of when you'd need pons and tools. I don't want to sit around at the base of the col while you sort your shit out. Not even the very best climber with the most experiance can climb steep ice or neve quickly and efficiently in approach shoes. Now, I should specify - if it's rock only, then I want to see a good pair of approach shoes. no boots please. Especially if we're sharing a 2nd's pack with all our crap in it. My walshes weigh fuck all and take up no space - I don't wanna have to carry your heavy fucking giant boots around just because you can't walk right.
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kheegster
Aug 22, 2009, 10:21 AM
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Number of friends who died climbing: N x -50 pts No friends died climbing? 100 pts
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nattfodd
Aug 22, 2009, 2:48 PM
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kheegster wrote: Number of friends who died climbing: N x -50 pts No friends died climbing? 100 pts Great, at last some easy way to lower my score!
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sungam
Aug 24, 2009, 12:19 AM
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kheegster wrote: Number of friends who died climbing: N x -50 pts No friends died climbing? 100 pts Go fuck yourself.
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uni_jim
Aug 24, 2009, 1:12 AM
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nattfodd wrote: kheegster wrote: Number of friends who died climbing: N x -50 pts No friends died climbing? 100 pts Great, at last some easy way to lower my score! you are both assholes. edited to include both of you.
(This post was edited by uni_jim on Aug 24, 2009, 1:38 AM)
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nattfodd
Aug 24, 2009, 9:29 AM
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You can laugh about anything, but not with everyone. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Desproges) Chill. It's of bad taste, sure, but it's also just a joke.
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sungam
Aug 24, 2009, 4:23 PM
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Dude, if I'm not laughing it's more then "bad taste" - I mean, I laugh at some pretty fucked up stuff, but there's no joke in your guys posts, unless unijim had thrown something extra in like "haha! time to kutz da rowp!" in an attempt to lighten the mood.
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fresh
Aug 24, 2009, 7:56 PM
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at the risk of being controversial, I didn't take that as a joke. if I was climbing with someone who had a friend who died, I don't think I'd be worried about her making any n00b mistakes. she'd probably understand way better than me that climbing is risky. that said, if it was a joke... not funny. why? cuz it's really obviously not funny.
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suprasoup
Aug 24, 2009, 8:21 PM
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nattfodd wrote: kheegster wrote: Number of friends who died climbing: N x -50 pts No friends died climbing? 100 pts Great, at last some easy way to lower my score! That is beyond FUCKED UP!! Not funny on any level...
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nattfodd
Aug 24, 2009, 9:45 PM
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That's actually the very bad joke I was trying to make. That you don't laugh just means we have different senses of humor... That being said, I have no friends who died in the mountains (and would like things to stay that way) and if I offended anyone by my post, which was really not my intention, then I apologize. I simply didn't think people would overreact like that.
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sungam
Aug 24, 2009, 10:04 PM
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nattfodd wrote: I simply didn't think people would overreact like that. Overreact? I think the word you were looking for is react not overreact. Overreacting is what dramaqueens do in highschool, reacting is what people do when someone makes an out of line comment.
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kheegster
Aug 25, 2009, 4:01 AM
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FWIW I was piss drunk when I posted that. Apologies if you got offended. On the other hand, death IS part and parcel of alpine climbing. Within a year of alpine climbing, thrice I've witnessed choppers doing body recoveries. If you're so sensitive about death, perhaps you should stick to the crags.
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skiclimb
Aug 25, 2009, 4:07 AM
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I was looking for torsos and jawbones when you didnt exist yet. Seen a lot of idiots get lucky out there seen a very few impressively safe climbers die from uncotrollable situations.. seen more safe climbers die in car accidents.. dead honest on that.. I'm still here cause the few times i really screwed up didnt kill me or my buddies. And I havn't been exceptionally unlucky. Plus I'm a scardy cat yeah i got the joke..definately made worse ones in my time.. but i sure as hell don't defend em..or suggest others overacted to my occasional terrible taste in comments.
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uni_jim
Aug 25, 2009, 4:32 AM
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I have helped load a friend of mine into a stretcher so a helicopter could fly him off the mountain. I understand the seriousness of accidents in the alpine, and I do not think that it is something to be joked about. I must not be everyone, because, personally, I was offended by the "joke."
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sungam
Aug 25, 2009, 4:39 AM
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kheegster wrote: FWIW I was piss drunk when I posted that. Apologies if you got offended. On the other hand, death IS part and parcel of alpine climbing. Within a year of alpine climbing, thrice I've witnessed choppers doing body recoveries. If you're so sensitive about death, perhaps you should stick to the crags. Apology accepted. It is, unfortunately, a part of it, in the same way that it's a part of driving - but I wouldn't find jokes about deaths from car crashes funny either. I think what irked me wasn't that there was a joke made about how people can die climbing, but the jerk was, as read, directed at the friends of the reader. Know what I mean? And having a friend die as a rite of passage is just fucked.
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uni_jim
Aug 25, 2009, 4:39 AM
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kheegster wrote: On the other hand, death IS part and parcel of alpine climbing. Within a year of alpine climbing, thrice I've witnessed choppers doing body recoveries. If you're so sensitive about death, perhaps you should stick to the crags. REALLY??? It is not the sensitivity about death, but for the wellbeing of friends/family who we care about and love. STFU before you dig too deep a hole for yourself.
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Guran
Aug 25, 2009, 8:33 AM
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To be dead serious (no pun intended) for a moment, I do agree that, in the real world, I would trust a partner even more knowing that he or she had first hand knowledge of the reaper at work in the alpine. Really. Chanses are that climber will be set on not letting it happen to me. Sometimes it is good to have someone else saying "I don't like the look of this. Maybe it is time to back off?" So yeah, if this was a serious alpine-partner-credibility-test, previous experience of fatal or near-fatal accidents would be a huge score. In a joke thread, though, it was a bit tasteless.
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jaablink
Aug 25, 2009, 1:56 PM
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Not to long ago a friend and I spent 10 days in the High Sierras climbing on the Hulk. The last day we were there, a guided party of 3 had finished their repels and the guide was pulling the rope, when it got stuck behind some large loose blocks about 100’ish off the deck. While the 2 guys that were being guided started to organize the gear. The guide moved left to change the angle and started tugging hard on the stuck line. It did finally come free and so did a head sized block with it, coming within a foot or two of hitting one of the party still wearing his now useless helmet…The guide paid it no mind… I guess “no harm, no foul” … The guide said he had been climbing and guiding for over 15 years now. That is a lot more experience than me… how many points do you get for killing a member of your party? The only way to be safe up there is to be alert and use good judgment, and there is still no guarantee. As seen in my short years of climbing, sometimes those with experience get sloppy because they become too comfortable in this unpredictable environment. Alpine is no joke…
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Guran
Aug 25, 2009, 2:26 PM
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No joke, indeed. Actually, on a single pitch sport or trad i might choose a partner based on some short screening test (without going into details) but on multipitch or alpine I want a partner I know I can trust. Period. Technical competence and experience is not all. (Heck, on the big stones I'm most certainly a n00b myself) What is important is that my partner share my view on acceptable risks, is open about his/her abilities and has a cool head in tight spots. Most of all, shares the idea that a summit is nice, but life is better.
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adnix
Aug 25, 2009, 5:27 PM
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kheegster wrote: On the other hand, death IS part and parcel of alpine climbing. Within a year of alpine climbing, thrice I've witnessed choppers doing body recoveries. If you're so sensitive about death, perhaps you should stick to the crags. I'll second this opinion. During my five years there has been one death (the anchor "broke"), one fractured skull (she was hit by a rock) and one quite severe frostbite (black toes - no need for amputations, though).
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