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jakedatc
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Cross post from NEclimbs for increased visibility:
I guess $25 dollar fines are fine with people because sunday was a clusterfuck of stupid ass people parked all up and down the road at Rumney. INCLUDING the BOSTON ROCK GYM's BUS with their name emblazoned on the side to advertise their in ability to follow directions. "Disobey and Defy" nice.. idiots
AND DON'T park in the Camera's (red house) DRIVEWAY without ASKING! you fucking assholes. It's their HOME it's not a parking lot.
Also to the Douchebags that we tried to kindly explain to walk FACING TRAFFIC on the LEFT side of the road. Don't try to justify your ignorance by saying that the memorial for the high school kids who DROVE IN THE RIVER is a reason to walk on the WRONG side of the road. IT IS ILLEGAL as in AGAINST THE LAW to walk away from traffic. So don't tell US that you will do whatever you want. ASSHOLES.
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Parking on the side of the road in exchange for a fine is one thing, but parking on someones private property which they own and pay taxes and such on is just a D1ck move.
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jakedatc
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Hennessey wrote: Parking on the side of the road in exchange for a fine is one thing, but parking on someones private property which they own and pay taxes and such on is just a D1ck move.
Yea, it is also where a small family campground is and i've been staying there going on 5 years now so they know me pretty well and he told me that he caught them parking and was really pissed off and yelled at them to go away.
the problem with parking on the road is that it's been complained about by the town locals for a very long time, signs are posted, people still ignore it. Many of the regulars want them to start towing. If people want it to come to that it probably will. nothing like getting done with a day of climbing and having no car... on a weekend.. in a town who isn't that thrilled with climbers.. even more so with ones who don't obey the rules.
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Another reason to not go to major areas on labor day weekend... the crowds are ridiculous.
Although I did make that mistake and go to the NRG for laborday weekend. Every single route up to 5.10 had a 5+ parties waiting to get on. Only after 3-4pm were things finally clearing out.
Remind me to just go kayaking or hiking on holidays. Heh.
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jakedatc
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Oh we were fine climbing. I've been going there for 6 years now.. i've seen crowds of all size and have a pretty good handle on the magnetic pulls towards certain places. We never really waited anywhere we didn't choose to and got 3 solid days in. We camp across the street and are allowed to keep our cars near our tents so we don't have the parking issue.. just get pissed at the people not following the rules (and law)
an area we haven't been to.. correct... not the time to go.
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Jake, you failed to mention that when the climber's parking lot is full, people are asked to park at the library and hoof it / carpool to the main climbing area.
Wonder how full the library was...
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I've never been to rumney, So I'm not familiar with the parking there. There's a standard parking lot, which wasn't full, and people were illegally parking on the road? That's nuts.
If perhaps the parking lot does get full, what's the next place to park?
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I'm sure my toes are going to get stepped on....
There is a main lot, which I assume was full; (1) because it was a holiday weekend; and (2) the cars were on the road.
Parking at the Library adds a bit of a hike.
However, by a bit it really isn't all that much, though compared to the park-and-climb convenience of Rumney it is a fair ways.
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jakedatc
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epoch wrote: Jake, you failed to mention that when the climber's parking lot is full, people are asked to park at the library and hoof it / carpool to the main climbing area. Wonder how full the library was...
Both regular lots were full.. very full.
sorry.. yes. I have no idea about the library. i highly doubt many even bothered to look.
Kobaz. There is one main lot, one small lot, then people are asked to go to the library which is down the road 1/2-1mi?
Either way it's clearly marked NOT to park on the road.. signs all over.
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Sounds like it was really busy. Been a number of years, in fact before the parking lot was expanded, the library parking option has been necessary. Perhaps better signage is necessary. We would swing into the parking lot drop all the gear and everyone but the driver and park at the library. You really didn't have to walk back since 9 times out of 10 you would get picked up by somebody with 30 seconds of starting down the road.
Parking on the road and trespassing on the Camera's property are really lame and self-centered actions.
But what is truly incredible is the behavior of the BRG people. Just confirms my opinion based upon a truly unpleasant and strange experience with the owner and his kids' team coach this winter that the people at the BRG simply do not have a clue.
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I don't think more signs will help. People still won't read them, and will still park were they should not. I think the only thing that will snap those people into shape is to start towing.
I wonder if they could start writting tickets to people for walking on the wrong side of the road.....
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What would it take to get the climber's parking lot expanded?
Also, if you want to carpool with somebody, is there a weill-known and safe parking spot for your car to leave somewhere else?
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jakedatc
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dan2see wrote: What would it take to get the climber's parking lot expanded? Also, if you want to carpool with somebody, is there a weill-known and safe parking spot for your car to leave somewhere else?
There is no where to expand the parking lot. it is butted up against private property. They are supposedly going to pave the parking lot this year which may organize things a little bit so the parking is more efficient at least.
carpooling would be great for people to do more of. many do but it still adds up. There is a walmart about 5-10 miles away if people planned ahead, there is also the mentioned library 1mi or so away
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jakedatc wrote: dan2see wrote: What would it take to get the climber's parking lot expanded? ... There is no where to expand the parking lot. it is butted up against private property. ...
Here in the Rocky Mountains, all the land is government-owned -- park, recreation, or crown land. If they build a parking lot it's really good, and might even include an outhouse that they maintain. Even without that, the edge of the paved road is usually good enough to park everybody.
Kinda like having an unlimited supply of roads and parking lots.
Most Calgary climbers carpool by meeting somewhere in the city. This works well for some, but not for me. So I often drive myself.
Well this topic is in "Regional Discussions" and the different regions really do have different problems and solutions.
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jakedatc
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dan2see wrote: jakedatc wrote: dan2see wrote: What would it take to get the climber's parking lot expanded? ... There is no where to expand the parking lot. it is butted up against private property. ... Here in the Rocky Mountains, all the land is government-owned -- park, recreation, or crown land. If they build a parking lot it's really good, and might even include an outhouse that they maintain. Even without that, the edge of the paved road is usually good enough to park everybody. Kinda like having an unlimited supply of roads and parking lots. Most Calgary climbers carpool by meeting somewhere in the city. This works well for some, but not for me. So I often drive myself. Well this topic is in "Regional Discussions" and the different regions really do have different problems and solutions.
The road it is on is already extremely narrow and does not need cars parked along it to create even more issues.
This is New Hampshire.. the climbing area and parking lot is State park owned. the land around it is owned by private individuals.. almost all of whom do not like climbers.
There is a solution.. people are just too fucking lazy to do it.
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jakedatc wrote: ... There is a solution.. people are just too fucking lazy to do it.
Now you're talking about people getting organized and doing things together.
In my city, we've got a few formal clubs and a lot of informal get-together groups -- factions, and factions within factions. Each has their own rules and customs. We get along, as long as there's enough room for everybody.
It's not that they're lazy -- it's just that they don't care what your particular rules are. Don't forget, every one of those climbers is better than you, because he's smarter than you, and his gear is prettier than yours. Plus his car is cooler than yours.
Jake, you have my sympathy. If I lived where you do, I'd probably give up climbing. Maybe I would get a job as a parking patrol, so instead of logging routes, I'd log number of tickets.
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They aren't my rules.. they are state and town laws...
Rumney is a regional and national destination. It is the best and biggest sport climbing area north of the New and Red river gorges. we have a TON of canadians, new yorkers, PA, VT, ME, NJ etc that all come in from everywhere. The problem is it is located in a TINY town. The only part that is under the forest service control is the climbing area and parking lot.. which ends at the road.
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losbill wrote: Just confirms my opinion based upon a truly unpleasant and strange experience with the owner and his kids' team coach this winter that the people at the BRG simply do not have a clue.
This makes me super curious! What happened?
And this thread makes me want to stay as far away from Rumney as possible! As soon as the local towing company takes note of the small fortune that can be made on any given weekend, the problem will be solved!
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jakedatc
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wonderwoman wrote: losbill wrote: Just confirms my opinion based upon a truly unpleasant and strange experience with the owner and his kids' team coach this winter that the people at the BRG simply do not have a clue. This makes me super curious! What happened? And this thread makes me want to stay as far away from Rumney as possible! As soon as the local towing company takes note of the small fortune that can be made on any given weekend, the problem will be solved!
You should just admit that you don't like to climb at rumney. These problems are not new. The Gunks have a similar clusterfuck, are further away, are more expensive.
I've been climbing there since 2002 and have never needed to park on the road or wait in any lines if i didn't choose to do so. Waiting in line for routes is for people too stubborn to go climb something else instead of being fixated on one route or wall. If i did that i wouldn't get on fun routes that are EMPTY even on overflowing parking lot days. (and don't even require a ton of hiking)
but yea.. i wonder how many cars it would take to make up for the cost of a tow truck ;)
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I confess - I am a trad gal. I'd prefer climbing at Rumney on a weekday. I've never seen parking issues like that at the Gunks / Cathedral / Acadia. But then again, I haven't ever seen this issue at Rumney, so I guess I haven't been there in awhile! Tow 'em all! 
Josh and I practically had the Precipice / Great Head all to ourselves this weekend. Acadia is my favorite Northeast place to climb. There are never any crowds (unless you go to Otter Cliffs) and every climb is stellar. It reminds me of a mini-Squamish.
We'll prob be in Rumney in 2 weeks. We won't be parking on the road.
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jakedatc
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I'll be there oct 2-4 ish for 'Biner's birthday bash.. don't walk on the wrong side of the road.. i might start throwing rocks :)
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And those people who you don't think are lazy are the ones who will be screwing up access for everyone else. Its in our best interest to try and keep the locals happy.
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In reply to: we tried to kindly explain to walk FACING TRAFFIC on the LEFT side of the road.
LMAO...you seriously told people what side of the road to walk on? That's hilarious.
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maybe this should be fowarded to AF, that way the word gets out to an even larger group and perhaps brought up at functions and or events at other climbing destinations.
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time2clmb wrote: In reply to: we tried to kindly explain to walk FACING TRAFFIC on the LEFT side of the road. LMAO...you seriously told people what side of the road to walk on? That's hilarious.
When it is an access issue with the local residents it's in our best interest to have people do what they are fucking supposed to do. Hopefully they will be run over from behind by a large 4x4 truck that they didn't see coming.
Would you tell someone not to shit in the middle of a trail? or just walk by... what if someone was breaking into peoples cars? just let them go for it?
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jakedatc
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I do love the negative input from the folks in western fucking canada.. cuz they know about the traffic issues of a tiny country road in central New Hampshire :P
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time2clmb wrote: In reply to: we tried to kindly explain to walk FACING TRAFFIC on the LEFT side of the road. LMAO...you seriously told people what side of the road to walk on? That's hilarious.
Um, yes. Believe it or not, there is a correct side if the road to walk on, and the locals know it too...and they get pissed if you're on the wrong side, and not afraid to let you know it.
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time2clmb wrote: In reply to: we tried to kindly explain to walk FACING TRAFFIC on the LEFT side of the road. LMAO...you seriously told people what side of the road to walk on? That's hilarious.
We actually asked them to come over to our side.
I then told them to go fuck themselves.
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ken21il wrote: maybe this should be fowarded to AF, that way the word gets out to an even larger group and perhaps brought up at functions and or events at other climbing destinations.
In a perfect world, yeah. But IME, the AF always takes the climbers' side, even when, as in this case, so many climbers are in the wrong.
So if you told the AF about it, they'd probably try to hush-hush the problem, rather than publicize it as would be appropriate.
Jake - the trouble is that some people simply don't give a shit about anything much but their own convenience.
To my mind, the solution is:
1 - signs informing overflow traffic about the Library parking lot.
2 - have the cop who patrols the lot (he's a nice guy) inform people about the library lot.
3 - tow people who park on the road.
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wonderwoman wrote: Josh and I practically had the Precipice / Great Head all to ourselves this weekend. Acadia is my favorite Northeast place to climb. There are never any crowds (unless you go to Otter Cliffs) and every climb is stellar. It reminds me of a mini-Squamish. We'll prob be in Rumney in 2 weeks. We won't be parking on the road.
I'm so depressed that I moved away from Maine. I miss Precipice so much. Hell, I'd even take a couple pitches up Bubble at this point to be back on the Maine coast for climbing season. I still hate everything in Clifton, but Acadia...
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LostinMaine wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Josh and I practically had the Precipice / Great Head all to ourselves this weekend. Acadia is my favorite Northeast place to climb. There are never any crowds (unless you go to Otter Cliffs) and every climb is stellar. It reminds me of a mini-Squamish. We'll prob be in Rumney in 2 weeks. We won't be parking on the road. I'm so depressed that I moved away from Maine. I miss Precipice so much. Hell, I'd even take a couple pitches up Bubble at this point to be back on the Maine coast for climbing season. I still hate everything in Clifton, but Acadia...
If it weren't so damn cold there in the winter, we'd probably live there! Never been to Clifton though!
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wonderwoman wrote: LostinMaine wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Josh and I practically had the Precipice / Great Head all to ourselves this weekend. Acadia is my favorite Northeast place to climb. There are never any crowds (unless you go to Otter Cliffs) and every climb is stellar. It reminds me of a mini-Squamish. We'll prob be in Rumney in 2 weeks. We won't be parking on the road. I'm so depressed that I moved away from Maine. I miss Precipice so much. Hell, I'd even take a couple pitches up Bubble at this point to be back on the Maine coast for climbing season. I still hate everything in Clifton, but Acadia... If it weren't so damn cold there in the winter, we'd probably live there! Never been to Clifton though!
clifton is pretty awesome, thought getting lost is a real possibility.
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I agree with jake here, people really need to be on the proper side of the road when walking, and they need to follow all of the rules to the area. Coming from connecticut and knowing how easily access can be taken away, I just think it's better not to tempt fate or the wrath of the locals.
One thing I have noticed though is that the locals really aren't following the speed limit on that road. About 30% of fatal accidents are traditionally related to excess speed as their primary cause, including the one on that road a while back. I think a police presence to ticket/tow illegally parked cars, as well as ticket/arrest speeders would be helpful.
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dudemanbu wrote: I agree with jake here, people really need to be on the proper side of the road when walking, and they need to follow all of the rules to the area. Coming from connecticut and knowing how easily access can be taken away, I just think it's better not to tempt fate or the wrath of the locals. One thing I have noticed though is that the locals really aren't following the speed limit on that road. About 30% of fatal accidents are traditionally related to excess speed as their primary cause, including the one on that road a while back. I think a police presence to ticket/tow illegally parked cars, as well as ticket/arrest speeders would be helpful.
apparently for a while this spring they had a speed trap set up but i haven't seen any cops up there when i've been there. They do haul ass and that's why you need to be facing the correct way so you can get your ass out of the way quickly when the cars are coming so fast. In cycling we have this rule that no matter what the law says the 2000lb car will always win in a crash.
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First, Jake calm down. I am afraid you are going to burst a vein. Also watch the language you know how much I dislike profanity! Also what is with snapping at Tiff of all people! Did she beat you at one of the POP's pool tournaments or something??? I do share your anger. Rumney is a very cool place and to have a few jackassess jeopardizing the experience for everyone is really infuriating.
Second, Tiff. Regarding BRG, not really worth getting into. Next time we are sharing a beer together I will fill you in. I think you know me well enough that when I say the people from BRG are clueless I have good reason to do so.--- Bill
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When you try to explain to people a simple state law that has pissed off locals since climbers have been climbing there and they tell your girlfriend to fuck off... then you can calm down. Our whole group was pissed off.
If i can get words in an email that sound good i'm going to be emailing the rumney police to amp up patrols for speeding and for towing cars illegally parked. The locals are asshats for speeding so fast down such a small road and a few climbers are making us all look like crap by parking on the road. it needs to be stopped.
I climb at Rumney FAR more than most folks on this board and stupidity that is SO SIMPLE to fix it pisses me off.. alot.
I feel that i can debate with Tiff pretty strongly... if that's not true then she should tell me so. she rags on rumney pretty hard for someone that does not go there very often and does not venture off the beaten path too far there.
The owner of BRG apologized on NEclimbs.. so for that i'm happy.
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Does this mean we aren't friends anymore?
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Never said that. But you weren't there to have to deal with issue after issue all weekend. I'm trying to help do my part so the climbers don't all look like idiots. Many of the locals on NEclimbs agree that folks should get towed and more police presence should control the speeding and folks walking on the wrong side.
i'm allowed to be pissed off.. and no one that climbs there should be very happy about what happened this weekend.. it's embarrassing. I never thought climbers would park at the Camara's without asking.. that's horrible. Those guys kick ass and are one of the few locals that SUPPORT us.
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jakedatc wrote: I feel that i can debate with Tiff pretty strongly... if that's not true then she should tell me so. she rags on rumney pretty hard for someone that does not go there very often and does not venture off the beaten path too far there.
If by 'rag on pretty hard', you mean, that I openly say that it's not my favorite place and it's crowded - then I am guilty. I'm not crazy about sport climbing. I prefer trad. I think, in general, there are less trad climbers than sport climbers. I think that if you ventured into my neck of the woods once in awhile, you might see this, too.
If you don't like the places that I climb, I don't take offense to it. But I don't really recall ever 'ragging' on Rumney. I still need to redpoint Flyin Hawaiin, but that's the only appeal to me.
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I feel your pain Jake, and what I have been forced to recognize is that climbers, taken as a group, include so many truly adolescent minds that hoping to improve our image is basically a lost cause. The silver lining here is what i think of as the 10% principal. It tends to really only be about 10% of folks that trash things, but it only takes about 10% to mitigate the damage. 10% leave their trash, ignore the local standards of conduct, react badly to being corrected, etc., but if we can get just 10% of the folks to pick it up, spread the word about what needs to happen, and act as ambassadors of our group, we can make it sustainable. There will always be dip-shits still figuring it out, but we can accept those losses. All we need is 10% to counter the damage inflicted by the other 10%.
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time2clmb
Sep 8, 2009, 7:42 PM
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jakedatc wrote: I do love the negative input from the folks in western fucking canada.. cuz they know about the traffic issues of a tiny country road in central New Hampshire :P
Yeah it totally sucks living here where you can walk on either side of the road without a bunch of pent up people having to worry about access issues because of it 
In reply to: Would you tell someone not to shit in the middle of a trail? or just walk by... what if someone was breaking into peoples cars?
Uh yeah...walking on the "wrong side of the road" is totally the same as shitting on the trail and breaking into cars
Sucks that it's that sensitive down there but shit if it's going to affect access then you gotta do what you gotta do I suppose.
I still think it funny and if you can't handle it then too fucking bad. How is thinking it's funny a negative comment? No need to get butthurt.
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jakedatc
Sep 8, 2009, 7:45 PM
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milesenoell wrote: I feel your pain Jake, and what I have been forced to recognize is that climbers, taken as a group, include so many truly adolescent minds that hoping to improve our image is basically a lost cause. The silver lining here is what i think of as the 10% principal. It tends to really only be about 10% of folks that trash things, but it only takes about 10% to mitigate the damage. 10% leave their trash, ignore the local standards of conduct, react badly to being corrected, etc., but if we can get just 10% of the folks to pick it up, spread the word about what needs to happen, and act as ambassadors of our group, we can make it sustainable. There will always be dip-shits still figuring it out, but we can accept those losses. All we need is 10% to counter the damage inflicted by the other 10%.
Thanks, when you get yelled at for trying to keep someone from getting mowed over by a speeding truck it's sometimes hard to think positive about things.
I emailed the Rumney Police dept. about my concerns with the speeding locals and the parked cars. hopefully they can come up with something that will help.
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olderic
Sep 9, 2009, 12:51 PM
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I'd be a bit leary of the glass hoise syndrome if I lived in western Canada. Grassi Lakes/Spray Lakes parking/road walking is no prize, Skaha parking and access has been a drama being played out for years and the scene for the Back of the Lake is beyond comparison.
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Gmburns2000
Sep 9, 2009, 1:09 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: LostinMaine wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Josh and I practically had the Precipice / Great Head all to ourselves this weekend. Acadia is my favorite Northeast place to climb. There are never any crowds (unless you go to Otter Cliffs) and every climb is stellar. It reminds me of a mini-Squamish. We'll prob be in Rumney in 2 weeks. We won't be parking on the road. I'm so depressed that I moved away from Maine. I miss Precipice so much. Hell, I'd even take a couple pitches up Bubble at this point to be back on the Maine coast for climbing season. I still hate everything in Clifton, but Acadia... If it weren't so damn cold there in the winter, we'd probably live there! Never been to Clifton though!
It's not that cold in BH in the winter. The ocean keeps it pretty warm for the most part. There is a definite difference in weather between BH and Ellsworth because of this, and they're only 30min apart.
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But I did nearly get me and Josh beat up by telling someone to pick up after his dog that pooped on the carriage road in the Gunks. 
