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dlintz


Sep 28, 2009, 8:42 AM
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reg wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
......if not, you only risk a short "fall" onto the sling.
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ouch! good way to get hurt

I bet it hurts a lot less than finding out your rappel wasn't set up properly.

d.


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I am sending reiki to the girl right now, if somebody is able to do it too, together is it stronger. I will continue sending for the next one hour, she needs a lot!

Zlatica.


mojomonkey


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majid_sabet wrote:
arthurdeko wrote:
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I agree with Mike. We have only had three accidents:
1) Mountain biker rode off the top of cliff near Zorro, she was badly injured, but survived (this was maybe 4 years ago)
2) Climber rapped off the end of his rope also near zorro (I beleive it was the new climb, face is great...choss is not)
3) Yesterday's accident

While we can't protect everyone, we can protect each other.

Being #2 on the injury list, I can attest to the importance of a partner as a second pair of eyes. I accept full responsibility for my fall, and I would not have fallen had I asked my partner to check up on me. I even remember noticing that I was having trouble focusing while I was on the anchors, but I kept that to myself. He didn't check on me because he never expected me to something as stupid as not feeding enough rope through the anchors. It's good to know now, that i am that stupid.

Anyway, my heart goes out to the woman who fell. Not only does it hurt, but it's terrifying. God bless you.

Since you were that honest to talk about the problems leading to your accident, I got few questions for you;

1- why did not you ask your partner to check on you ?
2- you said:you had trouble focusing and what was the reason ?

Thanks

That discussion should probably move to the corresponding thread, not this one.


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spam23 wrote:
I think its worth starting a conversation on how we might make this area safer for beginner and advanced climbers alike(training, registration with the county, etc.). With access around Pennsylvania continually threatened, I believe it is very important for the climbing community to be proactive both in protecting our climbers and assuring access for future generations. I'd be interested to hear other people's feelings on this.

The thought of being a 'registered climber' makes my skin crawl. I'd rather see razor wire and tunnel under it then submit to the Man for Permission to Climb, SIR!

But that's just me. I live out west where we still have room for such attitudes.

DMT


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reg wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
......if not, you only risk a short "fall" onto the sling.
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ouch! good way to get hurt

Its SOP for multirap, dude. Gotta deal with it, or strick to the shorties.

DMT


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reg wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
......if not, you only risk a short "fall" onto the sling.
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ouch! good way to get hurt

I realize that falls on static materials are jarring compared with falling on dynamic materials. If given the choice, I'd rather go for a short fall on a sling rather than plummeting to the base of the route. YMMV. If it does, I question your judgment.

Virtually everyone I know rigs rappels in this method because it assures you that you're rigged properly before you disconnect your personal anchor. After rigging your rappel, you pull just enough rope to get some slack in your personal anchor. We're talking several inches at best. You weigh the device, give everything a final check, then disconnect your now-slack anchor and rappel.

If you find such a widely used practice disconcerting, I'd be interested in learning what system you employ when transferring to rappel.

Someone else mentioned a backup. I don't generally employ them. If you're make sure your rope won't jam the anchor before loading, I've not had an issue cleaning one-handed.


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The particular climb that she was cleaning has a crappy stance at the anchors. You are hanging on your personal anchor(s) the whole time, as there are really no feet. (It's a big slab).


I called the hospital again today. She is still in ICU. I plan to drive out to Reading tomorrow to visit her in person.


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gblauer wrote:
I plan to drive out to Reading tomorrow to visit her in person.

Good call. Speaking from personal experience this is powerful curing medicine, to do this.

DMT


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I went to visit Vanessa today. Unfortunately, I arrived five minutes after they took her off to surgery. On Saturday they did a small surgery to insert a pin so that they could put traction on her hip. Today, they took her in for reconstruction of her hip and pelvis. Sugery is expected to last 5-6 hours. Once her hip/pelvis is stable (2 weeks or so) she will have to have her spine fused (L5 and sacrum?). She is in surgical ICU at Reading Hospital in Reading PA. Please send her your prayers and good wishes, she has a long road to recovery.

I met her father Willie, brother Jason and friend Steve. They are in from Colorado, Georgia and Colorado respectively. They will need to go back and forth to their homes, so it would be great if we could organize some visitors for Vanessa. She is from DC and doesn't really have a support network in PA.

I would think by Friday she would be ready to have some outside visitors.

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