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mojomonkey


Sep 29, 2009, 9:40 AM
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Thanks for updating us, and for you going to check in on her. I'm sure she and her family appreciate it.


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gblauer wrote:
I went to visit Vanessa today. Unfortunately, I arrived five minutes after they took her off to surgery. On Saturday they did a small surgery to insert a pin so that they could put traction on her hip. Today, they took her in for reconstruction of her hip and pelvis. Sugery is expected to last 5-6 hours. Once her hip/pelvis is stable (2 weeks or so) she will have to have her spine fused (L5 and sacrum?). She is in surgical ICU at Reading Hospital in Reading PA. Please send her your prayers and good wishes, she has a long road to recovery.

I met her father Willie, brother Jason and friend Steve. They are in from Colorado, Georgia and Colorado respectively. They will need to go back and forth to their homes, so it would be great if we could organize some visitors for Vanessa. She is from DC and doesn't really have a support network in PA.

I would think by Friday she would be ready to have some outside visitors.

Way to be an ambassador for the sport Gail. Strong work.

Being seriously injured and stuck in a hospital far from friends and family would be really rough. I don't know much about it but I would imagine hip/pelvis injuries like that would require a protracted hospital stay.


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Best wishes to Vanessa.

Always weight the rappel before removing your personal anchor.


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Latest update from Vanessa's father:

Vanessa's surgery went very well, she was only in there a couple of hours. The Doctors were very pleased with how things went.

She was awake and talking on the phone at 530PM.

She will be at Reading Hospital for 2 weeks and then will either have her back surgery there or move to another hospital.


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Glad to hear things are going well for her.

Good news indeed.


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gblauer wrote:
Latest update from Vanessa's father:

Vanessa's surgery went very well, she was only in there a couple of hours. The Doctors were very pleased with how things went.

She was awake and talking on the phone at 530PM.

She will be at Reading Hospital for 2 weeks and then will either have her back surgery there or move to another hospital.

Will you get the chance for another shot at a visit?

DMT


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gblauer wrote:
Latest update from Vanessa's father:

Vanessa's surgery went very well, she was only in there a couple of hours. The Doctors were very pleased with how things went.

She was awake and talking on the phone at 530PM.

She will be at Reading Hospital for 2 weeks and then will either have her back surgery there or move to another hospital.

Any thoughts on get some local climbers to throw together a care package for her to help the 2 weeks she's in reading be a little more brighter?


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She has been transferred to HUP for her spinal fusion. I am going to go there after work this evening to check on her.

Once I understand where she will be, I will try and get a group of volunteers to come out to see her.

She is in much less pain since they repaired her hip/pelvis and is in good spririts. Would like to help her stay in good spirits...


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gblauer wrote:
She has been transferred to HUP for her spinal fusion. I am going to go there after work this evening to check on her.

Once I understand where she will be, I will try and get a group of volunteers to come out to see her.

She is in much less pain since they repaired her hip/pelvis and is in good spririts. Would like to help her stay in good spirits...

Such life altering consequences from a momentary lapse of concentration apparently. She will be revisiting this in her mind over and over and over. Its really good for her that her tribe is there to help her. She will be thinking 'I will never climb again' or something similar, perhaps far darker thoughts.

Just being there.... don't even have to say anything of import

glauber you rock

DMT


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dingus wrote:
glauber you rock

I was just about to post this same exact thing. DMT beat me to it!

Gail, you are just plain awesome! It's so wonderful that you are doing this!


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wonderwoman wrote:
dingus wrote:
glauber you rock

I was just about to post this same exact thing. DMT beat me to it!

Gail, you are just plain awesome! It's so wonderful that you are doing this!

Yes, this is excellent work. I am relatively new to climbing and don't have a whole lot of climbing friends yet, but it is great to see such support for a fellow climber, even from people who don't know her! I am a DC-area climber myself, and although I don't think I know this inured climber, I would love to contribute to any kind of care package, or anything else, for that matter. Gail, props to you. PM me if I can help.


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dingus wrote:
gblauer wrote:
She has been transferred to HUP for her spinal fusion. I am going to go there after work this evening to check on her.

Once I understand where she will be, I will try and get a group of volunteers to come out to see her.

She is in much less pain since they repaired her hip/pelvis and is in good spririts. Would like to help her stay in good spirits...

Such life altering consequences from a momentary lapse of concentration apparently. She will be revisiting this in her mind over and over and over. Its really good for her that her tribe is there to help her. She will be thinking 'I will never climb again' or something similar, perhaps far darker thoughts.

Just being there.... don't even have to say anything of import

glauber you rock

DMT

Yes, these are indeed life changing events. She definately will need some long term support. Gail, you might want to delicately (at some point) ask how she's sleeping or if she's having nightmares about the event. These can be symptoms to very serious issues which should probably be dealt with professionaly.

Post incident trauma is a big problem for some. I have spoken with a few people I helped rescue a while later and some of them were not doing so well.

The after effects of these types of accidents can change people permantly and not always for the better. Depression can a big artifact of these kinds of accidents.


wanderlustmd


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dingus wrote:
spam23 wrote:
I think its worth starting a conversation on how we might make this area safer for beginner and advanced climbers alike(training, registration with the county, etc.). With access around Pennsylvania continually threatened, I believe it is very important for the climbing community to be proactive both in protecting our climbers and assuring access for future generations. I'd be interested to hear other people's feelings on this.

The thought of being a 'registered climber' makes my skin crawl. DMT

No kidding


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wonderwoman wrote:
dingus wrote:
glauber you rock

I was just about to post this same exact thing. DMT beat me to it!

Gail, you are just plain awesome! It's so wonderful that you are doing this!

Yeah, it's nice that you are making the effort, especially if she is without people close by. I'm sure she appreciates/will continue to appreciate it more than you know.


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Latest update.

Vanessa had surgery on Friday to fuse her L5 with S1. They realigned her spine and put some screws in. Additionally, they discovered that Vanessa had a broken left arm. With the broken arm, she will have to be in a wheelchair, as she cannot use crutches.

Her brother and father are still in town. They are hoping to move Vanessa to Georgia or Colorado for her recuperation. The doctors need a few more days to determine when Vanessa can be moved.

I am going to see her tomorrow with a care package from all of her well wishers on RC.com.


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jt512


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majid_sabet wrote:
arthurdeko wrote:
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I agree with Mike. We have only had three accidents:
1) Mountain biker rode off the top of cliff near Zorro, she was badly injured, but survived (this was maybe 4 years ago)
2) Climber rapped off the end of his rope also near zorro (I beleive it was the new climb, face is great...choss is not)
3) Yesterday's accident

While we can't protect everyone, we can protect each other.

Being #2 on the injury list, I can attest to the importance of a partner as a second pair of eyes. I accept full responsibility for my fall, and I would not have fallen had I asked my partner to check up on me. I even remember noticing that I was having trouble focusing while I was on the anchors, but I kept that to myself. He didn't check on me because he never expected me to something as stupid as not feeding enough rope through the anchors. It's good to know now, that i am that stupid.

Anyway, my heart goes out to the woman who fell. Not only does it hurt, but it's terrifying. God bless you.

Since you were that honest to talk about the problems leading to your accident, I got few questions for you;

1- why did not you ask your partner to check on you ?
2- you said:you had trouble focusing and what was the reason ?

Thanks

3 - Why were you rappelling a sport route in the first place? It's safer and faster to lower.

Jay


dingus


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jt512 wrote:
3 -Why were you rappelling a sport route in the first place? It's safer and faster to lower.

Jay

This whole 'anchor wear' bullshit about not lower off of or doing TR laps through, sport anchors... leads directly to exposure to the risk that led to this accident.

I am 100% on board with JTs solution and have been for a few years now. Much less potential for mayhem. And yes, it wears out the $3 quicklinks (or what have you) faster... so fucking what?

$3 = broken back + permanent disability???

I don't think so.

DMT


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jay, it certainly is faster to lower.. not nessicarly safer though. Rapping you control your own destiny. Pleanty of lowering accidents out there to show that it is not all that safe.. Some climbs with roofs and rough rock chew the heck out of your rope lowering.. Lowering burns out the anchors and can twist the heck out of the hangers leading to spinners. Lowering certainly faster and lazier. safer? Naa. All that being said I am usually lazy and lowerWink


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How is it any safer to lower off on belay then repel? Both ways you have to untie from the rope, you can forget to clip your atc or forget to tie in. Both are stupid mistakes but I don't see how that one or the other would be less likely to make. You just need to double check ever thing and and weight it before you unclip your safety.

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