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joeantol


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Joe in Babble: http://tinyurl.com/yazwm7h

Commentary on the site, both positive and otherwise is encouraged.

Best of all, it's Kelly birthday!

Enjoy


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joeantol wrote:
Joe in Babble: http://tinyurl.com/yazwm7h

Commentary on the site, both positive and otherwise is encouraged.

How about commentary on you, like, you're a fucking idiot.

Edit: I suppose, in all likelihood, this is an elaborate troll.

But that doesn't change the fact that you're still a fucking idiot.

Jay


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I don't think there could be a better way to describe it.


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jt512 wrote:
joeantol wrote:
Joe in Babble: http://tinyurl.com/yazwm7h

Commentary on the site, both positive and otherwise is encouraged.

How about commentary on you, like, you're a fucking idiot.

Edit: I suppose, in all likelihood, this is an elaborate troll.

But that doesn't change the fact that you're still a fucking idiot.

Jay

first time I have agreed with you in a while.

Dad is a fuckng idiot.


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As a girl who grew up camping, listening to Dad's old backpacking stories, learning how to fish, learning how to pick out and carve out the best hotdog sticks, and just in general learning to love the outdoors, I agree with one aspect of this. It's great to get your kids outside, as much as possible. But it's a bit twisted that he's in a way using her, taking advantage of the young age she's at, so the dude doesn't have to deal with normal childhood stuff...ie the zoo. I nanny over the summer for my 3 and 5 year old cousins; to see their little faces light up when they see the huge lions, or the boa constrictors...it's cool. I love to take them on hikes, of course, tell em to watch out for the "snakes and turtles," and collect sticks to build mini-shelters...but ya gotta let those little ones enjoy their childhood, not basically force them without a choice (the girl may love it, but she had no choice) to be "extreme alpinists." Get a grip, guy, cause when your daughter dies at the age of 10 cause you pushed her too hard, you're gonna be in a world of pain. Be careful, that's all.

Thought this might be a little more constructive than just calling the dad a fucking idiot (although I completely agree...). So, no offense, guys.


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Well turn your back for one second = *BAM* prostitute...


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I can't decide whether to bite my tongue (because I'm a noob) or to write some crap (because this is so stupid).

I think I'll just post a link and keep it at that.


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But that doesn't change the fact that you're still a fucking idiot.

Jay

+1

Unfortunately, unless he's also trolling his facebook page ....

http://www.facebook.com/...ol#!/joeantol?v=wall

(Not sure about the guidelines for posting a facebook profile, but the guy is somewhat asking for it. no pitty from here and the guy has his profile wide open)


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I can see a little bit of all 'climbing dads' in that story, eh?

A little bit O' me.

Thanks for the mirror!

DMT


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Jay can be less than positive and encouraging at times, but he is right on here…. You are an idiot…


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dingus wrote:
I can see a little bit of all 'climbing dads' in that story, eh?

A little bit O' me.

Thanks for the mirror!

DMT

I don't know ... I've honestly tried not to be this way with my daughter (and my wife is even healthier about this than I am). Sure, at times, my daughter was forced to accompany Mom and Pop on climbing trips, even though she protested, because that's something we do. We'd try to even things out by sometimes doing something she wanted (instead of climbing).

Then, recently, something clicked and now she's starting to kick butt all on her own. At 7 going on 8, and without our help (some days) she'll lay out the crash pads and organize her friends into a bouldering session in our home climbing gym. Sure, I beam like a light house (and she likes to see this), but if she were to choose golf (shudder) and be happy with it, so would I. And she understands this, too (you could ask her). She knows climbing is what Daddy likes, and will be doing, but it doesn't have to be her thing.

OK, so my daughter likes Karate class and climbing ... and she's the strongest kid in class (boy or girl) when it comes to the monkey bars. I guess something of Dad was bound to show up. On the other hand, I can honestly say I've (generally) avoided acting like the OP.

I have to admit, there are times I get irritated by Jay's "in your face" approach, but at core I think this time he's right.


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joeantol wrote:
Joe in Babble: http://tinyurl.com/yazwm7h

Commentary on the site, both positive and otherwise is encouraged.

Best of all, it's Kelly birthday!

Enjoy

Do you have a copy of this next to your keyboard?


Perhaps take a beginning parenting class. You obviously failed English comp.


joeantol


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What aspect of the writing didn't you like?


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joeantol wrote:
What aspect of the writing didn't you like?

Classic, he totally ignores everyone and gets worked up because you said he writes like a moron.


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I think some of you aren't recognizing that some poetic license has been taken in the writing of this piece.

My guess would be that a dad who sees his daughter so radiantly in a few paragraphs sees her so in all the chapters of life.

There is a subset of reading comprehension that relies on the reader to take words and fill in the blanks with what is unwritten. I'll spray for a second and say that when I was last tested(BITD) my level was in the 96 percentile for that subset, so I guess I should be grateful for that gift. Not everyone has it. But really. Do you think this dude does nothing but fire names of FA'ists at his daughter at the breakfast table, expecting her to volley back their list of climbs and years put up? Makes her tied into a bowline instead of a seatbelt in the car? Feeds her Cliff bars, and only Cliff Bars, for lunch? Gave her one of those stand-up pee tubes as her birthday present this morning?

You took a guys ode to his daughter, on her birthday, and spit on it.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
There is a subset of reading comprehension that relies on the reader to take words and fill in the blanks with what is unwritten. I'll spray for a second and say that when I was last tested(BITD) my level was in the 96 percentile for that subset,

So you admit that you fall short of 100% clarity here? If a climbing partner said they epiced 4% of the time, I don't think I would ever climb with them.

happiegrrrl wrote:
You took a guys ode to his daughter, on her birthday, and spit on it.

There are odes, and there are odors. This kind of domineering dad stinks to me.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
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You took a guys ode to his daughter, on her birthday, and spit on it.

I have to disagree with you here Happie.

To me what the OP wrote isn't and ode to his daughter, it's an ode to his own ego. Throughout the piece all the OP dose is spray about how 'extreme' of a father he is, how much more interesting he is than the rest of the fathers, and how much better he is because he's a climber. The OP happens to weave his daughter into this tale but only as a means to show how great of a climber he is that he's gotten his daughter involved in the sport so early on.


In truth the OP 'spit' on his own daughter in the supposed ode to his first born.


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Shroom wrote:
happiegrrrl wrote:
So you admit that you fall short of 100% clarity here? If a climbing partner said they epiced 4% of the time, I don't think I would ever climb with them.

50% is the overall average - the median. 100% would be that there were no there who had ever been tested who ranked higher. But anyway.


As for the "it's an ode to himself" as you and chasnd suggest - I think you are missing the inference. He is using that as a mechanism in the writing - portraying himself in this way to shine the light on his daughter. In a way, he's actually sacrificing his own ego at the expense.


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jaablink wrote:
Jay can be less than positive and encouraging at times, but he is right on here…. You are an idiot…


+2


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I encourage my kids to climb, but from what that article implies you are doing this for all the wrong reasons. The role of a parent is to teach love encourage and discipline, not to manipulate your kids to feed your pathetic need to be a bad ass.


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You play up all the danger and risk in the article, but don't even have a helmet on your kid? She's gonna die!


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Not my kid. Stock photo.


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jt512 wrote:
joeantol wrote:
Joe in Babble: http://tinyurl.com/yazwm7h

Commentary on the site, both positive and otherwise is encouraged.

How about commentary on you, like, you're a fucking idiot.

Edit: I suppose, in all likelihood, this is an elaborate troll.

But that doesn't change the fact that you're still a fucking idiot.

Jay

+3

I believe JT and Chadnsc are definitely correct on this one.

If you really want to find out if she enjoys it or not then don't say a word about climbing to her until she brings it up first. If she remembers it, enjoys it, and wants to do it again then she will bring it up herself.


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joeantol wrote:
What aspect of the writing didn't you like?

This
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Once she began to walk, I encouraged her to scramble up scaffolding and climb on buildings while I chanted our mantra: “Bones heal, pain is temporary, boys dig scars and glory is forever.” Now she requires no encouragement. Her fearless stunts on the playground have caused at least one overly protective mom to drag her little snowflake from play time with Kelly. My wife tolerates these antics but does not necessarily approve.

is a little more polished version of this http://thegardendiet.com/images/climb/



And it's a stock photo on your piece, but what does that little watermark on the lower left say?


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As a father of not-quite four week old little girl, I can understand the OP's hope that his daughter falls in love with climbing as much as he has. But over the years I have seen some kids who focus on nothing but climbing, and these kids are typically not at all pleasant to be around.

I may not get to go out and climb nearly as much as I would like to, and I look forward to being able to take a few trips again once she's a little older. But if I had to sacrifice some of those trips because it's the weekend of a ballet recital where she's going to teeter around in a little tutu because it's something that makes her happy, then I'll gladly make that sacrifice.

Now that my daughter is here and in my life, it's my responsibility to expose her to all sorts of things to help her grow and see what life has to offer. Trips to the zoo? Sure. Playdates with other kids? Absolutely. Vacations to Disney instead of HP40? Yep.

Maybe she'll want to climb eventually because it's something that I love to do. I hope I never pressure her into it because she feels like she needs to in order to gain my approval, though.

But I'm still going to be on the lookout for the tiniest pair of pink 5.10's I can find.

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