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jt512
Aug 5, 2010, 11:40 PM
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bill413 wrote: jt512 wrote: spikeddem wrote: hardeight wrote: Well I see this site has not changed much over the past 5 years.. Always flaming people and floating off the original topic. Planting the seeds of mistrust and objection to whatever is posted. It is a wonder anyone stays a member and if they do why they log on an post a question at all.. In reply to: I have used this method many times in the past but it is funny how I have not seen it posted anywhere.. I mean, you didn't pause at all after writing that last sentence I quoted and think "oh...hmm."? Reminds me of the guy I saw at Maple Canyon a couple weeks ago who ties in with a slip knot. Jay That makes it much easier to untie, right?
That's exactly what he said.
Jay
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jt512
Aug 5, 2010, 11:42 PM
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trenchdigger wrote: jt512 wrote: spikeddem wrote: hardeight wrote: I have used this method many times in the past but it is funny how I have not seen it posted anywhere.. List an advantage of the knot over the EDK. That's an easy one. It's untested, and therefore adds excitement to the rappel. Jay A gumby innovation indeed, but c'mon Jay, do you really need to pull test this to get a rough idea of whether or not this would be strong enough to rap on.
Do you need a pull test to know that an EDK is safe, but an EDK-8 is a true death knot?
Jay
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cintune
Aug 6, 2010, 1:46 AM
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jt512 wrote: Gumbies should not be innovating at all, much less inventing their own rappel knots. Jay
Re-invented, actually. It's a Flemish bend. Poor choice if there's any chance of getting stuck, and a bitch to untie if it gets really yarded on. Those would be the answers to the op's question, if he was still around.
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charlie.elverson
Aug 6, 2010, 3:01 AM
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This sounds like an absolutely marvelous innovation! Especially if you tie the two flemish bends on opposite sides of the rap anchor. That way, there's no chance of having the ropes come uneven during rappel! this technique is FLAWLESS (if you don't mind buying new ropes for every pitch rapped)!
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climbingtrash
Aug 6, 2010, 12:58 PM
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trenchdigger
Aug 6, 2010, 5:21 PM
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jt512 wrote: trenchdigger wrote: jt512 wrote: spikeddem wrote: hardeight wrote: I have used this method many times in the past but it is funny how I have not seen it posted anywhere.. List an advantage of the knot over the EDK. That's an easy one. It's untested, and therefore adds excitement to the rappel. Jay A gumby innovation indeed, but c'mon Jay, do you really need to pull test this to get a rough idea of whether or not this would be strong enough to rap on. Do you need a pull test to know that an EDK is safe, but an EDK-8 is a true death knot? Jay
Let's compare apples to apples here... your example is not analogous and involves two totally different knots. The EDK-8 is tied and loaded like any proven knot and therefore would require testing to earn trust (which it would fail miserably).
The OP's proposed knot is nothing more than two flemish bends back-to-back. The flemish bend is a proven knot and the OP's proposed method that are tied and loaded virtually the same way as the proven knot. A little common sense should tell you that the end result would be just about as strong as a flemish bend.
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jt512
Aug 6, 2010, 5:31 PM
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trenchdigger wrote: jt512 wrote: trenchdigger wrote: jt512 wrote: spikeddem wrote: hardeight wrote: I have used this method many times in the past but it is funny how I have not seen it posted anywhere.. List an advantage of the knot over the EDK. That's an easy one. It's untested, and therefore adds excitement to the rappel. Jay A gumby innovation indeed, but c'mon Jay, do you really need to pull test this to get a rough idea of whether or not this would be strong enough to rap on. Do you need a pull test to know that an EDK is safe, but an EDK-8 is a true death knot? Jay Let's compare apples to apples here... your example is not analogous and involves two totally different knots. The EDK-8 is tied and loaded like any proven knot and therefore would require testing to earn trust (which it would fail miserably). The OP's proposed knot is nothing more than two flemish bends back-to-back. The flemish bend is a proven knot and the OP's proposed method that are tied and loaded virtually the same way as the proven knot. A little common sense should tell you that the end result would be just about as strong as a flemish bend.
Look, I don't even know what a fucking Flemish bend is, and I don't care. My point was that gumbies shouldn't be inventing their own ways of doing things. That's all.
Jay
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hhelbein
Aug 6, 2010, 6:55 PM
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climbingtrash wrote: [image]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/climbingtrash/souperstron.jpg?t=1281099431[/image]
That pretty much looks like what my son uses to tie his shoe laces. And about as easy to untie....
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swoopee
Aug 6, 2010, 7:00 PM
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hhelbein wrote: climbingtrash wrote: [image]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/climbingtrash/souperstron.jpg?t=1281099431[/image] That pretty much looks like what my son uses to tie his shoe laces. And about as easy to untie....
I use the EDK to tie my shoes. Okey, not really but the EDK works great for joining ropes for rappelling. I've used it for years but I do make a point not to climb with Europeans. 
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hardeight
Aug 6, 2010, 7:44 PM
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WTF!! Get a life.. the knot was not invented by me, I was taught the knot 10 years ago. If you don't like it don't use it A hole! I removed the Posting .. the issue is closed!! I can't believe you are still jacking off on this! Go to another post and jack off!
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notapplicable
Aug 6, 2010, 8:00 PM
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swoopee wrote: hhelbein wrote: climbingtrash wrote: [image]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/climbingtrash/souperstron.jpg?t=1281099431[/image] That pretty much looks like what my son uses to tie his shoe laces. And about as easy to untie.... I use the EDK to tie my shoes. Okey, not really but the EDK works great for joining ropes for rappelling. I've used it for years but I do make a point not to climb with Europeans.
I actually do use the EDK, backed up by a second EDK, for tieing my boots. They have 4 sets of lace hooks and round laces so the EDK is convenient and won't untie over time. I tie one when I first get the boots and it stays in until the lace breaks.
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johnwesely
Aug 6, 2010, 8:14 PM
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hardeight wrote: WTF!! Get a life.. the knot was not invented by me, I was taught the knot 10 years ago. If you don't like it don't use it A hole! I removed the Posting .. the issue is closed!! I can't believe you are still jacking off on this! Go to another post and jack off!
Deleting your post was weak.
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jt512
Aug 6, 2010, 9:13 PM
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hardeight wrote: Get a life...A hole!...I removed the Posting...jack off!
Quoted for posterity.
Jay
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cintune
Aug 6, 2010, 9:44 PM
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jt512 wrote: Look, I don't even know what a fucking Flemish bend is, and I don't care. My point was that gumbies shouldn't be inventing their own ways of doing things. That's all. Jay
Yeah, well, a Fucking Flemish bend is a completely different knot, despite the similarity in nomenclature. But point well taken.
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dr_feelgood
Aug 6, 2010, 10:09 PM
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hardeight wrote: WTF!! Get a life.. the knot was not invented by me, I was taught the knot 10 years ago. If you don't like it don't use it A hole! I removed the Posting .. the issue is closed!! I can't believe you are still jacking off on this! Go to another post and jack off!
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jeepnphreak
Aug 7, 2010, 12:32 AM
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bill413 wrote: climbingtrash wrote: [image]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/climbingtrash/souperstron.jpg?t=1281099431[/image] Hmmm. Shouldn't the ends be seized to the standing parts for security?
I have been trying out the EDK with monkey fist back up.
yes it takes a lot of tail but its bomber.
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bill413
Aug 7, 2010, 1:19 AM
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jeepnphreak wrote: bill413 wrote: climbingtrash wrote: [image]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/climbingtrash/souperstron.jpg?t=1281099431[/image] Hmmm. Shouldn't the ends be seized to the standing parts for security? I have been trying out the EDK with monkey fist back up. yes it takes a lot of tail but its bomber. [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/jeepnphreak/P1050858.jpg[/IMG]
Hmmm...doesn't look like an EDK to me...but nice double monkey's fist!
Here's a thought - if you used the MF as the end of the rope knot, you definitely wouldn't rapel off the ends of your rope.
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kobaz
Aug 7, 2010, 3:51 AM
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bill413 wrote: Hmmm...doesn't look like an EDK to me...but nice double monkey's fist! Here's a thought - if you used the MF as the end of the rope knot, you definitely wouldn't rapel off the ends of your rope.
It looks like a double EDK, with said monkey fist backup. I like it!
The double EDK is what I prefer as well. Seeing just one gives me the willies. I've never tied one that rolled but I've read about at least one accident where one did roll. It takes an extra three seconds to tie and so far hasn't caused any increase in stuck ropes for me.
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jeepnphreak
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kobaz wrote: bill413 wrote: Hmmm...doesn't look like an EDK to me...but nice double monkey's fist! Here's a thought - if you used the MF as the end of the rope knot, you definitely wouldn't rapel off the ends of your rope. It looks like a double EDK, with said monkey fist backup. I like it! The double EDK is what I prefer as well. Seeing just one gives me the willies. I've never tied one that rolled but I've read about at least one accident where one did roll. It takes an extra three seconds to tie and so far hasn't caused any increase in stuck ropes for me.
Its a flat overhand bend on a flat overhand bend. its what I always though the EDK was... no?
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charlie.elverson
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a single flat overhand bend is an EDK
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jeepnphreak
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charlie.elverson wrote: a single flat overhand bend is an EDK
huh?... Ill be damed I ve been doing it with a double all these years and calling it a EDK. Ya learn somthing new every day.
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