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summerprophet


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I would just like to wish Aric a kind sendoff, as he leaves this forum.

I for one, have always enjoyed his posts, and know the amount of effort that was put into his testing and well written posts. I am somewhat certain that I am not a minority in saying so. I fondly remember RC.com when it was a useful forum for sharing knowledge, and actually had a sense of community to it, and Aric's posts brought about meaningful conversations, and equipment analysis reminicent of those days.

Adatesman, if I ever meet you in person, I owe you a beer.

Toss me a PM if you find a better home to share your knowledge. You will be missed.

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P.S. Please respect my wishes as the OP, and avoid replying in bad taste. There are other posts for that bullshit.


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Thanks for starting this thread. I also will miss having Aric on this forum.

I have always appreciated his testing, writeups, and the amazing amount of time he has spent trying to help us better understand climbing equipment.

As the only person to ever enter the homemade cam comp two years in a row, I also want to let Aric know that his Idea for a competition was a blast to compete in, and was a good excuse for me to do what I love and make something.

You will be missed Aric, I'm sorry it had to end this way.

I would love to know where you will be taking your knowledge to so that I can continue to benefit from it.

kennoyce.


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I'm a newb on here, but had already gotten a lot out of his posts and been helped out by his replies to me. Don't know what lead up to all this, but it's a shame to lose him for sure.


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I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?


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Your voice will be missed on RC.com Aric. Thanks for running the Lab and the Cam Comps were awesome!


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I am saddenned that Aric is leaving RC.com - like others, I have appreciated the work he has done. And am still impressed by his core strand rapel.


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Hear Hear ! Cheers to Aric for all of his many contributions and for the time he invested. This is indeed a big loss.

Thanks Aric, for all that you did! And let me echo that I'd love to know where in the Internets you land.


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summerprophet wrote:
I would just like to wish Aric a kind sendoff, as he leaves this forum.

I for one, have always enjoyed his posts, and know the amount of effort that was put into his testing and well written posts. I am somewhat certain that I am not a minority in saying so. I fondly remember RC.com when it was a useful forum for sharing knowledge, and actually had a sense of community to it, and Aric's posts brought about meaningful conversations, and equipment analysis reminicent of those days.

Adatesman, if I ever meet you in person, I owe you a beer.

+1

I don't know what went down either, but it is in bad taste to delete all your posts IMO.

Other than that, good luck Aric.


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I started the Lab years ago as a single thread. I fought for it to become its own forum. But it wasn't until I "hired" adatesman to run it that I saw my humble idea blossom into more than I ever expected.

And, at the moment, it sits in ruins.


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Did someone mess with him in RC?


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healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

I'm not sure what went down, but I heard about it this morning in this thread. I truely hope that it wasn't USN that finally got to him enough to make him leave, but that would be my guess.


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kennoyce wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

I'm not sure what went down, but I heard about it this morning in this thread. I truely hope that it wasn't USN that finally got to him enough to make him leave, but that would be my guess.

For those who don't know what went down see here, and here.


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boymeetsrock wrote:
kennoyce wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

I'm not sure what went down, but I heard about it this morning in this thread. I truely hope that it wasn't USN that finally got to him enough to make him leave, but that would be my guess.

For those who don't know what went down see here, and here.

Can someone please summarize? That's a lot of thread to cover. By summarize, I mean the chronological, factual events which occurred, not people's opinions about them. If this is not appropriate for this thread, I would be happy to be PMd or take it to a new or different thread.

I for one enjoyed much of the original hard work and material adatesman contributed, and I am curious as to what occurred.


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shoo wrote:
boymeetsrock wrote:
kennoyce wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

I'm not sure what went down, but I heard about it this morning in this thread. I truely hope that it wasn't USN that finally got to him enough to make him leave, but that would be my guess.

For those who don't know what went down see here, and here.

Can someone please summarize? That's a lot of thread to cover. By summarize, I mean the chronological, factual events which occurred, not people's opinions about them. If this is not appropriate for this thread, I would be happy to be PMd or take it to a new or different thread.

I for one enjoyed much of the original hard work and material adatesman contributed, and I am curious as to what occurred.

Much as I would like to know, I don't think it is appropriate for this thread. There is clearly too much that is emotionally inflammatory to the parties involved for it to be here, where we are expressing our loss at Aric's leaving.


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bill413 wrote:
shoo wrote:
boymeetsrock wrote:
kennoyce wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

I'm not sure what went down, but I heard about it this morning in this thread. I truely hope that it wasn't USN that finally got to him enough to make him leave, but that would be my guess.

For those who don't know what went down see here, and here.

Can someone please summarize? That's a lot of thread to cover. By summarize, I mean the chronological, factual events which occurred, not people's opinions about them. If this is not appropriate for this thread, I would be happy to be PMd or take it to a new or different thread.

I for one enjoyed much of the original hard work and material adatesman contributed, and I am curious as to what occurred.

Much as I would like to know, I don't think it is appropriate for this thread. There is clearly too much that is emotionally inflammatory to the parties involved for it to be here, where we are expressing our loss at Aric's leaving.

+1

Without getting into all the garbage, I definitely appreciated his work in the lab, and will miss his contributions.


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I appreciated his work and respected the guy.

Deleting all of that useful content he provided is the act of a big cry baby who wants to punish everyone for what a few people might have said about him. I don't get why I need to be punished for some argument someone else had.

Bummer everyone suffers because of some stupid argument that will be fairly meaningless next week.


Dave

[edit to remove negative comment because it was already said in some other thread]


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drector wrote:
I appreciated his work and respected the guy.

Deleting all of that useful content he provided is the act of a big cry baby who wants to punish everyone for what a few people might have said about him. I don't get why I need to be punished for some argument someone else had.

Bummer everyone suffers because of some stupid argument that will be fairly meaningless next week.

Dave
Just to clarify, I don't disagree with your assessment but Aric has stated his intentions from the beginning to move the content elsewhere so its not completely lost.


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I consider that poor taste Dave.

It has allready been mentioned in this thread, in considerably better fashion, and there are numerous other threads dealing with the same subject.


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Five internets to Aric.


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Thanks to adatesman for his contributions.


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Hear hear! Three cheers for Aric! It was a good run while it lasted, Aric, and I'm very grateful for all your contributions.

GO


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Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric.


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You'll be back, Aric, even if on another site. Good luck to you, though. I always considered the Lab to be yours (even if Jay's taking credit for it above ^^ Tongue). Lots of good stuff in there. Something to be proud of.


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Really?
You put no value in the Cam contest?
You put no value in the discussion and education created in The Lab?
You put no value in the fact that he spearheaded the efforts to organize UIAA and US Consumer affairs, after destroying 9 of his own cams to determine that there were problems within CCH?


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roy_hinkley_jr wrote:
Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric.

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johnwesely wrote:
Five internets to Aric.

10 internets, a cookie AND a lolcat...



Thanks Aric!


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Hey Aric...

If you are reading this, just want to say thanks for all the effort you put into the Lab. It was really the only thing that kept me coming back to RC.com.

If I ever run into you in New Paltz again I'll buy you a beer (or two). Though not sure if I'd recognize you if you aren't standing on a pile of destroyed Aliens. :)

Cheers,

S


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Aric was the biggest contributor in the lab and the list of things he has done is just too long to mention here. I am still shocked and haven't figured out what happened here but loosing Aric is like loosing a great deal of first class climbing R&D work especially for a info seeking junkie like me.

Aric, drop me a line

majid_sabet@hotmail.com


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Aric,

Your going is a serious loss. Some friends don't even post here but periodically check in on your work.

What a fine bunch of boobs we are.

Bill L


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Aric, I haven't contributed to many of your threads but I have read many of them. Some of the information generated through your discussions has been useful for me and I'm sure many others. You have worked hard at gathering facts and creating information while others have unfortunately worked just as hard at being critical and destructive instead of constructive. This website is definitely less of a resource and frankly your loss should be an embarrassment to this website. Good luck in your endeavors.
Scott


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Aric,

I've followed many a thread and the Lab was the one thing that brought me back to RC.com (it's bookmarked directly).

I understand not wanting to leave certain threads unmaintained, but I will miss the information, the contributor, the spirit of curiosity and experimentation.

Where are we going to now?


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wiki wrote:



Thanks Aric!

Probably the most fitting internet goodbye I've seen. Never get tired of that picture.


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healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com


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Hey Aric, I hope you are reading all of these well wishes. All the best for the future where you land in the cyberworld. I have nothing but good things to say about you mate and very much wish that I will run into you someday buddy. I'd definitely buy you a beer even though I don't drink.


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philbox wrote:
Hey Aric, I hope you are reading all of these well wishes. All the best for the future where you land in the cyberworld. I have nothing but good things to say about you mate and very much wish that I will run into you someday buddy. I'd definitely buy you a beer even though I don't drink.

You're quite fortunate to have a "boss" here who doesn't mind a bit of dissent within the ranks.

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the_climber wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra


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suprasoup wrote:
the_climber wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra

Supra,

Aric is gone because he has childishly decided to leave RC.com (and take all his content with him) after being reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here. I also appreciate all the work Aric put into the Lab Forum--but to feel sorry for him is, in my opinion, way off route.

Curt


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watching curt, jt512 and aric at each other is like watching a dog eat its own vomit. They know they shouldn't, but they just can't help it.

aric, sorry to see you go, thanks for all the contributions. Also sorry to see you undo all that good work in a deliberate attempt to hurt RC.com. You might get around to posting it elsewhere, but the value in those threads you've butchered is NOT just in your contributions, but in the interactions with others who posted.

There is no credit in this mess. Frown


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curt wrote:
suprasoup wrote:
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healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra

Supra,

Aric is gone because he has childishly decided to leave RC.com (and take all his content with him) after being reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here. I also appreciate all the work Aric put into the Lab Forum--but to feel sorry for him is, in my opinion, way off route.

Curt

Two things:

1. This is stretching the truth to within an inch of breaking point.
2. With all that's gone on over the last couple of days, was that really necessary?

I know you're at least 20 years my senior - but seriously, grow up.


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roy_hinkley_jr wrote:
Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric.

So are you volunteering to pick up the reins since you obviously can do better?


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climboard wrote:
roy_hinkley_jr wrote:
Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric.

So are you volunteering to pick up the reins since you obviously can do better?

I have to agree with roy here. I think Aric was well intentioned but misguided a bit. I have 16 years in materials science, including overseeing QA labs for a Fortune 50 company, so I know a few things about testing. Aric's methodology, equipment, and interpretation of data left me cringing many times. The homemade cam competition etc. was a great idea however. He must have his reasons for deleting all his posts, but it does leave a mess.


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My point is that he put the effort forth and at a minimum started conversations around testing and provided some real data, which is more than most of us can say. I don't agree that this forum is better off without him and even if I did, I don't think a thread entitled "A kind farewell to adatesman" is the place to make such a statement.

I agree that deleting his posts made a mess and wished he didn't but I guess that is his call.


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curt wrote:
suprasoup wrote:
the_climber wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra

Supra,

Aric is gone because he has childishly decided to leave RC.com (and take all his content with him) after being reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here. I also appreciate all the work Aric put into the Lab Forum--but to feel sorry for him is, in my opinion, way off route.

Curt

Classless and juvenile, regardless of one's opinions of the water already under the bridge.


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climboard wrote:
My point is that he put the effort forth and at a minimum started conversations around testing and provided some real data, which is more than most of us can say.

Aric wouldn't have lasted a month in rec.climbing. His "data" would have been sliced and diced and he'd have left in a hissy fit. It just took longer here because of the moderation and few of the knowledgeable people care about rc.com.


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Can somebody objectively and chronologically explain what happened? Not someone who was involved in the argument.


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Rudmin wrote:
Can somebody objectively and chronologically explain what happened? Not someone who was involved in the argument.

You can look it up yourself in the S&F forum, and this isn't really the place for it.


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boymeetsrock wrote:
kennoyce wrote:
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I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

I'm not sure what went down, but I heard about it this morning in this thread. I truely hope that it wasn't USN that finally got to him enough to make him leave, but that would be my guess.

For those who don't know what went down see here, and here.


I have never seen so many people showing their asses as in that first thread. Wow!! Impressive.


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deleting Aric posts feels like library of congress had a bad fire

sh*t

this site had one valuable forum and tons of good threads are gone over some backdoor BS


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blondgecko wrote:
curt wrote:
suprasoup wrote:
the_climber wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra

Supra,

Aric is gone because he has childishly decided to leave RC.com (and take all his content with him) after being reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here. I also appreciate all the work Aric put into the Lab Forum--but to feel sorry for him is, in my opinion, way off route.

Curt

Two things:

1. This is stretching the truth to within an inch of breaking point.
2. With all that's gone on over the last couple of days, was that really necessary?

I know you're at least 20 years my senior - but seriously, grow up.

1. My above summary for Supra is completely factually correct. Since you supposedly employ the scientific method for a living, I can't believe that you of all people, still support Aric. Open your eyes, go back to the "Suggestions & Feedback" forum and re-read ddt's comments on why he took the particular actions he did.

2. Was my post necessary? I'm not sure, but I'm certainly not going to let people continue to have the mistaken impression that Aric was somehow a victim in this mess. He caused this mess. And in fact, because he has willfully screwed up the usefulness of the "Lab" forum, he is the only person involved in this entire fiasco who has acted with malice and intent to do harm.

Curt


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Hey Curt,

All that being as it may, this is far from the time or place, unless you truly feel that Aric deserves to have you personally strip him of any and all recognition others of us would like to express.

Cheers,

GO


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Come on Curt keep on showing how vindictive and small you really are.

Middle school playground bullies don't grow up they just find website to rule.

Whatever did they do before the internet existed?


A kind farewell to Adatesman from a long time reader.


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curt wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
curt wrote:
suprasoup wrote:
the_climber wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra

Supra,

Aric is gone because he has childishly decided to leave RC.com (and take all his content with him) after being reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here. I also appreciate all the work Aric put into the Lab Forum--but to feel sorry for him is, in my opinion, way off route.

Curt

Two things:

1. This is stretching the truth to within an inch of breaking point.
2. With all that's gone on over the last couple of days, was that really necessary?

I know you're at least 20 years my senior - but seriously, grow up.

1. My above summary for Supra is completely factually correct. Since you supposedly employ the scientific method for a living, I can't believe that you of all people, still support Aric. Open your eyes, go back to the "Suggestions & Feedback" forum and re-read ddt's comments on why he took the particular actions he did.

2. Was my post necessary? I'm not sure, but I'm certainly not going to let people continue to have the mistaken impression that Aric was somehow a victim in this mess. He caused this mess. And in fact, because he has willfully screwed up the usefulness of the "Lab" forum, he is the only person involved in this entire fiasco who has acted with malice and intent to do harm.

Curt

A circuit does not blow a fuse unless someone overload the device. you boys did a good job cranking the power till sh*t fell apart and now we have to suffer over some elementary level BS.


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dynosore wrote:
climboard wrote:
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Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric.

So are you volunteering to pick up the reins since you obviously can do better?

I have to agree with roy here. I think Aric was well intentioned but misguided a bit. I have 16 years in materials science, including overseeing QA labs for a Fortune 50 company, so I know a few things about testing. Aric's methodology, equipment, and interpretation of data left me cringing many times. The homemade cam competition etc. was a great idea however. He must have his reasons for deleting all his posts, but it does leave a mess.

I concur.


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majid_sabet wrote:
curt wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
curt wrote:
suprasoup wrote:
the_climber wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra

Supra,

Aric is gone because he has childishly decided to leave RC.com (and take all his content with him) after being reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here. I also appreciate all the work Aric put into the Lab Forum--but to feel sorry for him is, in my opinion, way off route.

Curt

Two things:

1. This is stretching the truth to within an inch of breaking point.
2. With all that's gone on over the last couple of days, was that really necessary?

I know you're at least 20 years my senior - but seriously, grow up.

1. My above summary for Supra is completely factually correct. Since you supposedly employ the scientific method for a living, I can't believe that you of all people, still support Aric. Open your eyes, go back to the "Suggestions & Feedback" forum and re-read ddt's comments on why he took the particular actions he did.

2. Was my post necessary? I'm not sure, but I'm certainly not going to let people continue to have the mistaken impression that Aric was somehow a victim in this mess. He caused this mess. And in fact, because he has willfully screwed up the usefulness of the "Lab" forum, he is the only person involved in this entire fiasco who has acted with malice and intent to do harm.

Curt

A circuit does not blow a fuse unless someone overload the device. you boys did a good job cranking the power till sh*t fell apart and now we have to suffer over some elementary level BS.

Right. That's just like some guy telling his girlfriend/wife that "you made me hit you."

Curt


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Thanks Aric for your contributions to the site and good luck as you move on.

r.c


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I've said it several times in the past and it's my pleasure to say it again here. The lab became a much more interesting and informative place once Aric became so active. In spite of what a few have said, his contributions were highly valued by those who posted here.

Best wishes and thanks Aric. Sorry it all went so sideways.


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trapdoor wrote:
dynosore wrote:
climboard wrote:
roy_hinkley_jr wrote:
Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric.

So are you volunteering to pick up the reins since you obviously can do better?

I have to agree with roy here. I think Aric was well intentioned but misguided a bit. I have 16 years in materials science, including overseeing QA labs for a Fortune 50 company, so I know a few things about testing. Aric's methodology, equipment, and interpretation of data left me cringing many times. The homemade cam competition etc. was a great idea however. He must have his reasons for deleting all his posts, but it does leave a mess.

I concur.

I'm not willing to fully jump on that bandwagon. While there is a germ of truth there, there is one unique thing that Aric brought to the party--and that was an incredible amount of energy, hard work and initiative. He may not have been the most knowledgable person on the site, but it will certainly be difficult to find anyone else who will put in the time and energy he did to conduct the testing, etc. In my opinion, that is what will be missed--and I will miss it too.

Curt


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cracklover wrote:
All that being as it may, this is far from the time or place, unless you truly feel that Aric deserves to have you personally strip him of any and all recognition others of us would like to express.
+1


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curt wrote:
... there is one unique thing that Aric brought to the party--and that was an incredible amount of energy, hard work and initiative. He may not have been the most knowledgable person on the site, but it will certainly be difficult to find anyone else who will put in the time and energy he did to conduct the testing, etc. In my opinion, that is what will be missed--and I will miss it too.

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PC+2 for ClimbClimb


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Well said Curt, and spot on.


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curt wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
curt wrote:
suprasoup wrote:
the_climber wrote:
healyje wrote:
I clearly missed something, what the fuck went down that would cause Aric to leave?

Holy Fuck I must have missed something too.

If this is the real deal... Aric, should you end up on the Canadian side of the border, drop me a line (doesn't matter if it's for beers or climbs). the_climber at hotmail dot com

What the Crap!! Not sure what went down Aric but I appreciate all the hard work you did in The Lab.

Supra

Supra,

Aric is gone because he has childishly decided to leave RC.com (and take all his content with him) after being reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here. I also appreciate all the work Aric put into the Lab Forum--but to feel sorry for him is, in my opinion, way off route.

Curt

Two things:

1. This is stretching the truth to within an inch of breaking point.
2. With all that's gone on over the last couple of days, was that really necessary?

I know you're at least 20 years my senior - but seriously, grow up.

1. My above summary for Supra is completely factually correct. Since you supposedly employ the scientific method for a living, I can't believe that you of all people, still support Aric. Open your eyes, go back to the "Suggestions & Feedback" forum and re-read ddt's comments on why he took the particular actions he did.

2. Was my post necessary? I'm not sure, but I'm certainly not going to let people continue to have the mistaken impression that Aric was somehow a victim in this mess. He caused this mess. And in fact, because he has willfully screwed up the usefulness of the "Lab" forum, he is the only person involved in this entire fiasco who has acted with malice and intent to do harm.

Curt

No, Aric was not "reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here." The initial action which triggered all this off was (1) not his decision, and (2) while perhaps a little hasty in this case, well within normal mod actions and incredibly minor in its consequences (under sane conditions, at least). He has not been and will not be reprimanded for this. Your banning from The Lab came about because you posted inflammatory and off-topic comments about his actions in a highly-moderated forum, and continued to do so after being told to stop. Again, this was done with our full support.

Aric's degreening came about because (1) he requested it, and (2) he proved unable to rise above the fray and instead of stepping back or trying to defuse the situation, participated in its escalation.

Those are the facts. Now, in the spirit of the OP:

Aric, I'm really sorry to see you go - especially like this. No, your experimental methods weren't always quite up to par, but in all the cases I saw they were good enough to get the message across without dangerous flaws. What you brought is something I suspect will not be seen here again for quite a while - a near-boundless enthusiasm and energy, and a willingness to shell out large amounts of your own money and time.

Look after yourself, ok?


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Aric, I really appreciated all of your hard work and the fact that you were willing to stick your neck out and take on CCH's quality control issues. It took balls and dedication. Unfortunately, it seemed, to me at least, that the green jacket of mod-dom never really fit with your personality which has now all come to a head.

Keep breaking stuff, designing gear and I hope you find a good home for your results.


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Thanks again Aric for all that you have done.

Thanks especially for taking time out of your day to test, break and log the data on my homemade cam (even though I missed the deadline.) I learned a great deal from the information you have provided.

Homemade cam comp. look out for me next year. Oh wait no adatesman, no comp, this sux.


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blondgecko wrote:
No, Aric was not "reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here."

Aric's degreening came about because (1) he requested it, and (2) he proved unable to rise above the fray and instead of stepping back or trying to defuse the situation, participated in its escalation...

Whatever you say, Tristan

ddt on August 12 wrote:
And then finally, back to this case: I've temporarily relieved adatesman of his duties pending further conversation with him about his future as a moderator.

and:

ddt on August 13 wrote:
Many have asked why I would allow a contributor like Aric to be "pushed" off this site, while not taking any action against those who did the "pushing", so I'd like to offer a brief explanation.

Let me start by clarifying why I relieved Aric of his status as a mod. Two reasons:

1. He requested it from me
2. Earlier in this thread he posted a blatant personal attack on another user. Moderators are not above the rules.

Why no action against anyone else? Well, as far as I am aware, no one else violated any rules or regulations that warranted action. Sure, there were some harsh words, but all well within what I consider to be tolerable when applying the norms for "personal attack" and "abuse" on this site. Persistence in making heated arguments is no reason for action against a user, nor is our perceived "value" of someone as a contributor on the site or the degree to which we like or dislike them.

Curt


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curt wrote:
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No, Aric was not "reprimanded and then relieved of his duties as a moderator for abusing both his authority and some of the site users here."

Aric's degreening came about because (1) he requested it, and (2) he proved unable to rise above the fray and instead of stepping back or trying to defuse the situation, participated in its escalation...

Whatever you say, Tristan

ddt on August 12 wrote:
And then finally, back to this case: I've temporarily relieved adatesman of his duties pending further conversation with him about his future as a moderator.

and:

ddt on August 13 wrote:
Many have asked why I would allow a contributor like Aric to be "pushed" off this site, while not taking any action against those who did the "pushing", so I'd like to offer a brief explanation.

Let me start by clarifying why I relieved Aric of his status as a mod. Two reasons:

1. He requested it from me
2. Earlier in this thread he posted a blatant personal attack on another user. Moderators are not above the rules.

Why no action against anyone else? Well, as far as I am aware, no one else violated any rules or regulations that warranted action. Sure, there were some harsh words, but all well within what I consider to be tolerable when applying the norms for "personal attack" and "abuse" on this site. Persistence in making heated arguments is no reason for action against a user, nor is our perceived "value" of someone as a contributor on the site or the degree to which we like or dislike them.

Curt
How is posting a personal attack abusing authority? It is pretty clear from blondgecko's statement that Aric's "reprimand" was due to his asking to be relieved and for his comments about JT's stature.


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How is posting a personal attack abusing authority? It is pretty clear from blondgecko's statement that Aric's "reprimand" was due to his asking to be relieved and for his comments about JT's stature.

Sorry. I should have said "for a blatant personal attack on another user," (to use the exact language) which is certainly not something blondgecko mentioned.

However, Aric did abuse his authority by banning me from the "Lab" forum. According to ddt above:

ddt wrote:
...as I am aware, no one else violated any rules or regulations that warranted action. Sure, there were some harsh words, but all well within what I consider to be tolerable when applying the norms for "personal attack" and "abuse" on this site. Persistence in making heated arguments is no reason for action against a user...

Curt


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Curt, give it a rest. There are plenty of other threads if you still have some reason to go on. Even Jay has stopped...


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boymeetsrock wrote:
Curt, give it a rest. There are plenty of other threads if you still have some reason to go on. Even Jay has stopped...

Actually, you could stay out of it too. When I praised his contributions, you said this:

boymeetsrock wrote:
Well said Curt, and spot on.

...but when I try to show the other side of the coin, you complain. I will stop posting in this particular thread, however.

Curt


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summerprophet wrote:
I would just like to wish Aric a kind sendoff, as he leaves this forum.

I for one, have always enjoyed his posts, and know the amount of effort that was put into his testing and well written posts. I am somewhat certain that I am not a minority in saying so. I fondly remember RC.com when it was a useful forum for sharing knowledge, and actually had a sense of community to it, and Aric's posts brought about meaningful conversations, and equipment analysis reminicent of those days.

Adatesman, if I ever meet you in person, I owe you a beer.

Toss me a PM if you find a better home to share your knowledge. You will be missed.

summerprophet

Justin Turnbull
Head Guide, Central Washington Climbing Guides
Vice President, Central Washington Mtn. Rescue


P.S. Please respect my wishes as the OP, and avoid replying in bad taste. There are other posts for that bullshit.

I'll have you know, I grew up on Turnbull Creek.

DMT


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j_ung wrote:
I started the Lab years ago as a single thread. I fought for it to become its own forum. But it wasn't until I "hired" adatesman to run it that I saw my humble idea blossom into more than I ever expected.

And, at the moment, it sits in ruins.

Such is 'Management Backing' at RC.com.

DMT


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curt wrote:
I will stop posting in this particular thread, however.
Curt
Thank you


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curt wrote:
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Curt, give it a rest. There are plenty of other threads if you still have some reason to go on. Even Jay has stopped...

Actually, you could stay out of it too.

This is a public forum. You have put your comments in public. I have a right to respond

In reply to:
When I praised his contributions, you said this:

boymeetsrock wrote:
Well said Curt, and spot on.

Because I agreed with your comment and the sentiment was fitting for this thread. I was pleased that you were able to put aside your disagreement and say something nice about Aric in this, the "a kind farewell to adatesman" thread. Good on you for that.

In reply to:
...but when I try to show the other side of the coin, you complain. I will stop posting in this particular thread, however.

Curt

Because this thread is expressly not about the other side of the coin. You have made your points, and are free to continue making them. The OP asked that they not be made here.


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curt wrote:
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How is posting a personal attack abusing authority? It is pretty clear from blondgecko's statement that Aric's "reprimand" was due to his asking to be relieved and for his comments about JT's stature.

Sorry. I should have said "for a blatant personal attack on another user," (to use the exact language) which is certainly not something blondgecko mentioned.

However, Aric did abuse his authority by banning me from the "Lab" forum. According to ddt above:

ddt wrote:
...as I am aware, no one else violated any rules or regulations that warranted action. Sure, there were some harsh words, but all well within what I consider to be tolerable when applying the norms for "personal attack" and "abuse" on this site. Persistence in making heated arguments is no reason for action against a user...

Curt
You got to be kidding right?
blondgecko wrote:
Aric's degreening came about because (1) he requested it, and (2) he proved unable to rise above the fray and instead of stepping back or trying to defuse the situation, participated in its escalation
As someone on the outside looking in, DDT and blondgecko's comments are in line with one another.

As far as abusing one's powers, here is what you posted that got you a timeout before any intervention by DDT, you are taking his statement way out of context.
blondgecko wrote:
A few pertinent posts of yours from that thread - before you were banned, and before Aric's PM to you:


curt wrote:
Are you fucking nuts?

curt wrote:
Why do idiots like you gravitate towards positions of authority?
Calling someone short is relatively benign compared to referring to them as an idiot IMO


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redlude97 wrote:
curt wrote:
redlude97 wrote:
How is posting a personal attack abusing authority? It is pretty clear from blondgecko's statement that Aric's "reprimand" was due to his asking to be relieved and for his comments about JT's stature.

Sorry. I should have said "for a blatant personal attack on another user," (to use the exact language) which is certainly not something blondgecko mentioned.

However, Aric did abuse his authority by banning me from the "Lab" forum. According to ddt above:

ddt wrote:
...as I am aware, no one else violated any rules or regulations that warranted action. Sure, there were some harsh words, but all well within what I consider to be tolerable when applying the norms for "personal attack" and "abuse" on this site. Persistence in making heated arguments is no reason for action against a user...

Curt
You got to be kidding right?
blondgecko wrote:
Aric's degreening came about because (1) he requested it, and (2) he proved unable to rise above the fray and instead of stepping back or trying to defuse the situation, participated in its escalation
As someone on the outside looking in, DDT and blondgecko's comments are in line with one another.

As far as abusing one's powers, here is what you posted that got you a timeout before any intervention by DDT, you are taking his statement way out of context.
blondgecko wrote:
A few pertinent posts of yours from that thread - before you were banned, and before Aric's PM to you:


curt wrote:
Are you fucking nuts?

curt wrote:
Why do idiots like you gravitate towards positions of authority?
Calling someone short is relatively benign compared to referring to them as an idiot IMO

Of course, that's exactly what a tall idiot would think.

Jay


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Every three months, we have an ebola outbreak with members attacking each other and I just do not understand it why these RC Hyenas and Lyons can't just leave shi* alone

Here, this how it looks in the real world

http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftMFx.html


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Right on Majid! I'm only showing up to wish Aric the very best! The recent Painted Bird exercise notwithstanding and best left undiscussed, thanks for some amazing work and pull tests Aric.

Hope you start up a blog with this stuff, and that the traffic you get makes you some serious scratch.

Warm regards

Bill


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billcoe_ wrote:
Right on Majid! I'm only showing up to wish Aric the very best! The recent Painted Bird exercise notwithstanding and best left undiscussed, thanks for some amazing work and pull tests Aric.

Hope you start up a blog with this stuff, and that the traffic you get makes you some serious scratch.

Warm regards

Bill

Aric did send me a page long email explaining how circuit melted down but he is going to get his own page and post his stuff again.I support his idea and look forward to help him with whatever.I am still pissed off over ninga boys and associates going after a guy who did nothing but serving the climbing community.


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majid_sabet wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
Right on Majid! I'm only showing up to wish Aric the very best! The recent Painted Bird exercise notwithstanding and best left undiscussed, thanks for some amazing work and pull tests Aric.

Hope you start up a blog with this stuff, and that the traffic you get makes you some serious scratch.

Warm regards

Bill

Aric did send me a page long email explaining how circuit melted down but he is going to get his own page and post his stuff again.I support his idea and look forward to help him with whatever.I am still pissed off over ninga boys and associates going after a guy who did nothing but serving the climbing community.

You and me both majid. A couple of your posts in this thread are the very best I have ever seen you write. Well done mate. Keep up the good work.


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Aric,

Thank you for the contributions that you have made, time thinking about climbing, and the physical labor preformed for the benefit of all climbers.

Please continue your work and find a better place to share it. Shouldn't be hard.

BT


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To follow up.

RC.com is just a cesspool. To bad that such an internet address has been fouled. Daniel Du Toit will continue to drive this site into the ground.

ToS - what a joke.

"Your the biggest joke on the internet." Weird Al


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majid_sabet wrote:
Every three months, we have an ebola outbreak with members attacking each other and I just do not understand it why these RC Hyenas and Lyons can't just leave shi* alone

Here, this how it looks in the real world

http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftMFx.html

Real world, meet RC.com...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I


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Wow, you did a lot of work here. Thanks for all of the info.

Its kind of like showing up at your climb and finding a nesting peregrine sign.

Now that you are not wasting your time here, maybe you can patented a cam or two.


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Thanks Aric for all the hard work you've put into this site. I hope it all becomes accessable again.

You've directly helped me several times since joining the site and it's greatly appreciated. Home you find a good home.


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Bolter wrote:
To follow up.

RC.com is just a cesspool. To bad that such an internet address has been fouled. Daniel Du Toit will continue to drive this site into the ground.

Daniel may have over-commercialized the site, but he did not drive it into the ground. The users themselves are responsible for that. In another current thread, blueyedclimber complains about the signal-to-noise ratio on the site. But the fact is that the majority of the site's users don't want signal; they want noise. They live for it. It's why they come here.

If a user posts a question about whether his first pair of climbing shoes are too tight, it doesn't matter that it's the third time that the question has been asked that week. Simply ask the user to look at current threads, never mind actually do a search, and you are attacked left and right, while a plethora of users are all too willing to rehash the question yet again.

This site is all about the noise. Sure, there are steps that management could take to reduce the noise, but you really can't blame Daniel for not taking them. He's just providing a forum for what the majority of people want: blather.

Jay


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Does anybody have his email address? Could you please PM it to me. Thanks.


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patto wrote:
Does anybody have his email address? Could you please PM it to me. Thanks.

A bit less ambiguous... might help get what you desire.


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Main problem that Aric has had was trying to guide the discussion.

Kind of similar to the government knows best vs letting free markets decide.

Truth is Lab forum became dull, boring and saw no traffic. Even format was out of place, this is not a climberwikipedia, this is an internet forum.

Instead of being a place where you go to bash dumb ideas and poke fun at lame theories it became a collection of abatesman "truths"

All I can say, hasta la vista baby, don't let the door kick you on the way out... and good luck with the website. Should have done that to begin with


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I go away for a week and all hell breaks loose!?!?! WTF! Shocked


I'm still trying to catch up on what really happened but...


Aric, I am thankful for your contributions to this site and for advancing the desire to know more about the true nature of the hardware, systems and mechanics of climbing that most of us take for granted.


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jt512 wrote:
Bolter wrote:
To follow up.

RC.com is just a cesspool. To bad that such an internet address has been fouled. Daniel Du Toit will continue to drive this site into the ground.

Daniel may have over-commercialized the site, but he did not drive it into the ground. The users themselves are responsible for that. In another current thread, blueyedclimber complains about the signal-to-noise ratio on the site. But the fact is that the majority of the site's users don't want signal; they want noise. They live for it. It's why they come here.

If a user posts a question about whether his first pair of climbing shoes are too tight, it doesn't matter that it's the third time that the question has been asked that week. Simply ask the user to look at current threads, never mind actually do a search, and you are attacked left and right, while a plethora of users are all too willing to rehash the question yet again.

This site is all about the noise. Sure, there are steps that management could take to reduce the noise, but you really can't blame Daniel for not taking them. He's just providing a forum for what the majority of people want: blather.

Jay

Since you are so sure the bolded section is "fact", I'll assume a scientific thinker like yourself has some a priori evidence for such an assertion. May we see it please?

Regarding complaints about "what kind of shoes to buy", there are similar themes in the injury forum, repetitive questions about finger injuries and elbow tendinitis. I generally try to either keep quiet or be helpful. Flaming someone who is in pain (or has a very common question about shoes), is willfully choosing to do battle. You are part of the problem of increasing noise.

I'm not out to flame anybody, Jay, even you. I just want to help people, even when those I'm helping need assistance with what I perceive as someone who is a bit of an internet bully. You'd never have the courage to say the things you say to someone's face.

Anyway, thanks Aric. It's a pity you had to erase your contributions. I only wish you'd taken the higher road.


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onceahardman wrote:
Flaming someone who is in pain (or has a very common question about shoes), is willfully choosing to do battle. You are part of the problem of increasing noise.

I'm not out to flame anybody, Jay, even you. I just want to help people, even when those I'm helping need assistance with what I perceive as someone who is a bit of an internet bully.

Dozens upon dozens of people over the years have told jt512 he is a huge part of the perceived noise problem.

He's too proud to listen. He never ever looks in the mirror.

But he is certainly willing to impose his will on others. Oh yes, he will certainly do that.

DMT


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Hey Aric,

Enjoyed reading your stuff. May not have been perfect, but made me think about the engineering of climbing systems and components.

Thanks.


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dingus wrote:
onceahardman wrote:
Flaming someone who is in pain (or has a very common question about shoes), is willfully choosing to do battle. You are part of the problem of increasing noise.

I'm not out to flame anybody, Jay, even you. I just want to help people, even when those I'm helping need assistance with what I perceive as someone who is a bit of an internet bully.

Dozens upon dozens of people over the years have told jt512 he is a huge part of the perceived noise problem.

He's too proud to listen. He never ever looks in the mirror.

But he is certainly willing to impose his will on others. Oh yes, he will certainly do that.

DMT

jt512 is a huge part of the signal problem as well.


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dingus wrote:
onceahardman wrote:
Flaming someone who is in pain (or has a very common question about shoes), is willfully choosing to do battle. You are part of the problem of increasing noise.

I'm not out to flame anybody, Jay, even you. I just want to help people, even when those I'm helping need assistance with what I perceive as someone who is a bit of an internet bully.

Dozens upon dozens of people over the years have told jt512 he is a huge part of the perceived noise problem.

He's too proud to listen. He never ever looks in the mirror.

But he is certainly willing to impose his will on others. Oh yes, he will certainly do that.

DMT

or, as he duly notes above, that he thrives on being the noise.


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dingus wrote:
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Flaming someone who is in pain (or has a very common question about shoes), is willfully choosing to do battle. You are part of the problem of increasing noise.

I'm not out to flame anybody, Jay, even you. I just want to help people, even when those I'm helping need assistance with what I perceive as someone who is a bit of an internet bully.

Dozens upon dozens of people over the years have told jt512 he is a huge part of the perceived noise problem.
DMT

The problem is that people respond to jt512. By his 2nd post in any thread, it ought to be obvious that he should best be ignored.

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robdotcalm wrote:
dingus wrote:
onceahardman wrote:
Flaming someone who is in pain (or has a very common question about shoes), is willfully choosing to do battle. You are part of the problem of increasing noise.

I'm not out to flame anybody, Jay, even you. I just want to help people, even when those I'm helping need assistance with what I perceive as someone who is a bit of an internet bully.

Dozens upon dozens of people over the years have told jt512 he is a huge part of the perceived noise problem.
DMT

The problem is that people respond to jt512. By his 2nd post in any thread, it ought to be obvious that he should best be ignored.

Thanks a lot, Rob. If you really must hop on the bandwagon of haters, you might at least have the decency to be truthful.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
robdotcalm wrote:
dingus wrote:
onceahardman wrote:
Flaming someone who is in pain (or has a very common question about shoes), is willfully choosing to do battle. You are part of the problem of increasing noise.

I'm not out to flame anybody, Jay, even you. I just want to help people, even when those I'm helping need assistance with what I perceive as someone who is a bit of an internet bully.

Dozens upon dozens of people over the years have told jt512 he is a huge part of the perceived noise problem.
DMT

The problem is that people respond to jt512. By his 2nd post in any thread, it ought to be obvious that he should best be ignored.

Thanks a lot, Rob. If you really must hop on the bandwagon of haters, you might at least have the decency to be truthful.

Jay
Shut up douch nozzle
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without a dedicated person with a lot of time on their hands ... the lab will sadly die

i think it will die ... one less reason to go to RC


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No doubt the Lab forum is a mess right now. I guess site management will have to decide what to do with it.

1) Restore it, as before.
2) Nuke it--and transfer non-Aric vandalized threads to "Gear Heads."
3) ???

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The lab is now dead.

This Lab forum was probably the only thing worth reading on a somewhat regular basis on RC.Com. thanks for the tests Aric, regardless of the methods and standards used, it was still interesting.


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curt wrote:
1) Restore it, as before.
2) Nuke it--and transfer non-Aric vandalized threads to "Gear Heads."
3) ???

oh i don't know. having "vandalized" threads around kind of fits in with the "harassment" and "gang banging" that is now so much a part of RC.com. i'd say to just leave it as is. no sense in false advertising that might come from cleaning it up.

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The lab is now dead.

This Lab forum was probably the only thing worth reading on a somewhat regular basis on RC.Com. thanks for the tests Aric, regardless of the methods and standards used, it was still interesting.

It might be dead now but eventually someone will pick up the baton and run with it. Check back once in a while, ya never know what surprising things might be in store in the future.


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Thanks all. Hearing my work was actually appreciated by some means a lot.

For those interested, it looks like my new home will be TheClimbingLab.com. It's a new site specifically dedicated to the use and testing if climbing gear and we're (I'm not the only one working on it) hoping to have it fully live by the end of the year. The reason for the delay is that we're looking to do far more than what was possible here on RC due to limitations of the forum-only interface and it's going to take a while to get it all set up and running smoothly.

Guess this is my last post on RC. Was fun while it lasted. Good luck to you all and climb safe.

-aric.


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adatesman wrote:
Thanks all. Hearing my work was actually appreciated by some means a lot.

For those interested, it looks like my new home will be TheClimbingLab.com. It's a new site specifically dedicated to the use and testing if climbing gear and we're (I'm not the only one working on it) hoping to have it fully live by the end of the year. The reason for the delay is that we're looking to do far more than what was possible here on RC due to limitations of the forum-only interface and it's going to take a while to get it all set up and running smoothly.

Guess this is my last post on RC. Was fun while it lasted. Good luck to you all and climb safe.

-aric.
No this isnt your last post cause your going to post up and let us know when the other site is up and running, RIGHT. I hope so.
and do your best and blow RC.COM out of the water.
PS can I be your site super troll.Tongue


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subantz wrote:
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Thanks all. Hearing my work was actually appreciated by some means a lot.

For those interested, it looks like my new home will be TheClimbingLab.com. It's a new site specifically dedicated to the use and testing if climbing gear and we're (I'm not the only one working on it) hoping to have it fully live by the end of the year. The reason for the delay is that we're looking to do far more than what was possible here on RC due to limitations of the forum-only interface and it's going to take a while to get it all set up and running smoothly.

Guess this is my last post on RC. Was fun while it lasted. Good luck to you all and climb safe.

-aric.
No this isnt your last post cause your going to post up and let us know when the other site is up and running, RIGHT. I hope so.
and do your best and blow RC.COM out of the water.
PS can I be your site super troll.Tongue

I am the kind of troll here with master key to his lab


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trapdoor wrote:
dynosore wrote:
climboard wrote:
roy_hinkley_jr wrote:
Have to disagree. His "contributions" were minimal at best and in some cases potentially harmful. Unfortunately Aric seldom understood the limitations of his knowledge, which often resulted in ill-conceived tests and/or poor interpretations of the results. Like much of pseudoscience, it sounds reasonable to the uninformed. And he'd get overly defensive when errors were pointed out. In the long run, this forum is truly better off without Aric.

So are you volunteering to pick up the reins since you obviously can do better?

I have to agree with roy here. I think Aric was well intentioned but misguided a bit. I have 16 years in materials science, including overseeing QA labs for a Fortune 50 company, so I know a few things about testing. Aric's methodology, equipment, and interpretation of data left me cringing many times. The homemade cam competition etc. was a great idea however. He must have his reasons for deleting all his posts, but it does leave a mess.

I concur.

Plus one more. Just having tons of energy and writing about it all the time in no way makes anything you say valid. Good luck with your website, I hope it doesn't get anyone killed. Got a lawyer already?

Bob


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From TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post.

So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical.

From TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
The Lab Proctor

No one knows who the Lab Proctor really is, and he prefers to keep it that way as he's not really a people person and doesn't feel qualified to participate in technical discussions about climbing gear. But he has a good bit of experience running web sites and forums and is willing to help out by performing those duties here, so we keep him around.

Yeah, right - the mysterious "Lab Proctor" is not Aric.

I never appreciated or respected the quality of Aric's work as a moderator. He was often rude and all to ready to hide behind his "title" whenever he began to lose an argument or a mud slinging match.

I was rather neutral on his work in the lab. It seemed that he had a lot of energy and a lot of time, and was more than willing to invest both in breaking stuff. He also did a good job making the climbing community aware of the quality issues with Aliens and other recalls. However, everyone needs to remember who Aric is. He is a weekend warrior with about 5 years of climbing experience, no climbing industry experience and no recent work history in engineering. Being passionate about climbing and reading a lot of books does not qualify you to design gear or talk as an authority about climbing related topics.

I hope that Aric enjoys his new site. However, I also hope that he will remember that wanting to be an expert and being an expert are 2 totally different things.


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ncrockclimber wrote:
From TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post.

So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical.

From TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
The Lab Proctor

No one knows who the Lab Proctor really is, and he prefers to keep it that way as he's not really a people person and doesn't feel qualified to participate in technical discussions about climbing gear. But he has a good bit of experience running web sites and forums and is willing to help out by performing those duties here, so we keep him around.

Yeah, right - the mysterious "Lab Proctor" is not Aric.

And furthermore:

TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
Administrative actions by the Lab Proctor may include, but are not limited to: warning, temporary ban, permanent ban, edit of the offending post, and deletion of the offending post. All decisions are final.

We know from experience that Aric habitually misinterprets criticism of his methods as an attack on him personally. So, what's going to happen, I suspect, is that Aric's forum is going to be very one sided. You have one hour after making a post to edit it, but the "Lab Proctor" has complete control over your post in perpetuity. Post something too critical of Aric's methodology, and your post will be edited or deleted without warning. Do it again, and you'll be barred, and maybe your content removed. I suspect that Aric has set up the forum in a manner that gives him totalitarian control over posts. I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong, but based on observing his behavior with a modicum of authority on this site, I'm not too hopeful.

I do admire the fact that Aric states that the site will be non-profit and advertisement free. Hopefully, he'll stick to that.

Jay


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From TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post.

So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical.

Wow. "TheClimbingLab.com" MUST be joking.


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That's FUNNY.

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TheClimbingLab wrote:
...The Climbing Lab has five forum rules and one guideline. The Lab Proctor, who shall remain anonymous to protect his or her impartiality, will moderate actively and without hesitation. If you break a forum rule, expect swift action from the Lab Proctor with little but a cursory explanation. He or she may warn you or show you the door straight away. The Lab Proctor is the sole judge of whether or not a rule has been broken. Administrative actions by the Lab Proctor may include, but are not limited to: warning, temporary ban, permanent ban, edit of the offending post, and deletion of the offending post. All decisions are final. Even the site owners will NEVER interfere with the Lab Proctor’s decisions...


I couldn't even make anything that good up. Unfortunately for Aric, undeserved arrogance and incompetence make bad bedfellows.

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The nice thing about having your own website is that you can do as you like. The internet is not a democracy, there is no such thing as free speech, and you can be your own dictator, benevolent or not. Everyone else can sod off.

Whether they do or not depends on how you enforce your moderation.


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From TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
You will have one hour from the moment you hit Submit to edit a post.

So, after Aric pitched a fit about having the right to delete all his material from this site, he starts a site that does not provide that right to users. That strikes me as being rather hypocritical.

From TheClimbingLab.com wrote:
The Lab Proctor

No one knows who the Lab Proctor really is, and he prefers to keep it that way as he's not really a people person and doesn't feel qualified to participate in technical discussions about climbing gear. But he has a good bit of experience running web sites and forums and is willing to help out by performing those duties here, so we keep him around.

Yeah, right - the mysterious "Lab Proctor" is not Aric.

I never appreciated or respected the quality of Aric's work as a moderator. He was often rude and all to ready to hide behind his "title" whenever he began to lose an argument or a mud slinging match.

I was rather neutral on his work in the lab. It seemed that he had a lot of energy and a lot of time, and was more than willing to invest both in breaking stuff. He also did a good job making the climbing community aware of the quality issues with Aliens and other recalls. However, everyone needs to remember who Aric is. He is a weekend warrior with about 5 years of climbing experience, no climbing industry experience and no recent work history in engineering. Being passionate about climbing and reading a lot of books does not qualify you to design gear or talk as an authority about climbing related topics.

I hope that Aric enjoys his new site. However, I also hope that he will remember that wanting to be an expert and being an expert are 2 totally different things.
experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass
They get that way by working and research, dipshit


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subantz wrote:
experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass
They get that way by working and research, dipshit

Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one.

Curt


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curt wrote:
subantz wrote:
experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass
They get that way by working and research, dipshit

Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one.

Curt

What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?


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spikeddem wrote:
curt wrote:
subantz wrote:
experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass
They get that way by working and research, dipshit

Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one.

Curt

What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?

The internet is full of sites like that.

Or so I am told...


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spikeddem wrote:
curt wrote:
subantz wrote:
experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass
They get that way by working and research, dipshit

Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one.

Curt

What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?

Then they'll probably end up with a pretty disgusting keyboard.

Curt


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curt wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
curt wrote:
subantz wrote:
experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass
They get that way by working and research, dipshit

Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one.

Curt

What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?

Then they'll probably end up with a pretty disgusting keyboard.

Curt

The price of being a true expert.


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Best of luck with the new site!

This whole rigamaroll is best summarized by the Dude:

"No, Walter, you're not wrong. You're just an a$$hole."


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spikeddem wrote:
curt wrote:
subantz wrote:
experts do not become expert by sitting around and fingering their ass
They get that way by working and research, dipshit

Experts also do not become expert by merely creating their own website proclaiming themselves to be one.

Curt

What if someone wants to become an expert at making their own website while sitting around and fingering their ass?

"There's an app for that."


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Guess this is my last post on RC.

In light of the fact that you've been saying that you're done posting here for over two weeks, I have changed the title of the thread accordingly.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
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Guess this is my last post on RC.

In light of the fact that you've been saying that you're done posting here for over two weeks, I have changed the title of the thread accordingly.

Jay

ok, that was funny.


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We know from experience that Aric habitually misinterprets criticism of his methods as an attack on him personally.

Sounds like you, too.


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tomtom wrote:
jt512 wrote:
We know from experience that Aric habitually misinterprets criticism of his methods as an attack on him personally.

Sounds like you, too.

That's simply bullshit.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
tomtom wrote:
jt512 wrote:
We know from experience that Aric habitually misinterprets criticism of his methods as an attack on him personally.

Sounds like you, too.

That's simply bullshit.

Jay

you know, that's actually a funny response. the man does have a sense of humor.


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