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Anyone got their hands on one of these yet (yes i know they aren't officially out yet)?

Just wondering if they will be able to be used for rope solo like the old ones or if i should just go get an original.

I realise this may have to wait until they are available in stores but who knows maybe some fine upstanding RC.comer had sticky fingers at a trade show.


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yodadave wrote:
Anyone got their hands on one of these yet (yes i know they aren't officially out yet)?

Just wondering if they will be able to be used for rope solo like the old ones or if i should just go get an original.

I realise this may have to wait until they are available in stores but who knows maybe some fine upstanding RC.comer had sticky fingers at a trade show.

I have not had one in my hands yet, but I cannot see why these would not be sufficient for soloing. They look like they have the "bulk" shaved off. Same device.

I'll be curious to see.

Petzl knows their shit. I've used a GriGri for years, and for aid soloing, they are the bomb. My "guess" is that the new version will be just fine.

Guess we will find out.


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yeah i just know that petzl have never really approved of their use for solo activities so i guess I'm paranoid that they'll make it so you can't Frown


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yodadave wrote:
yeah i just know that petzl have never really approved of their use for solo activities so i guess I'm paranoid that they'll make it so you can't Frown

Interesting point. Never considered that one.


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socalclimber wrote:
yodadave wrote:
yeah i just know that petzl have never really approved of their use for solo activities so i guess I'm paranoid that they'll make it so you can't Frown

Interesting point. Never considered that one.

Time to hoard old Grigris for later ebay sales. Tongue


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j_ung wrote:
socalclimber wrote:
yodadave wrote:
yeah i just know that petzl have never really approved of their use for solo activities so i guess I'm paranoid that they'll make it so you can't Frown

Interesting point. Never considered that one.

Time to hoard old Grigris for later ebay sales. Tongue

I'll be rich bitch!


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yodadave wrote:
Anyone got their hands on one of these yet (yes i know they aren't officially out yet)?

Just wondering if they will be able to be used for rope solo like the old ones or if i should just go get an original.

I realise this may have to wait until they are available in stores but who knows maybe some fine upstanding RC.comer had sticky fingers at a trade show.

I know one of the local Petzl reps, so I had a chance to briefly play with his a bit. Still kinda heavy, but does feel lighter and more compact. Seemed to feed better so the whole 'how to give slack with a grgri" thing might disappear. The two stage lower mechanism seemed to work really well. The rep said the only reason the GriGri 1 was never rated below 10mm was it lowered 'poorly' below that diameter, the new 2 stage thing solved that. Though not a big fan (see signature) of the GriGri in general, I'm optimistic that this new version might just be revolutionary. Perhaps I'll even buy one (maybe . . .)


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Could you explain the two stage lowering? Does it make lowering significantly easier? That's honestly been my main reason for not liking autolocking devices. I find they are much harder to lower with.


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cjon3s wrote:
Could you explain the two stage lowering? Does it make lowering significantly easier? That's honestly been my main reason for not liking autolocking devices. I find they are much harder to lower with.


It when releasing the brake once you get to a certain point it releases more slowly making it easier to control how fast you lower.





I don't know if they will work for soloing, (I'm assuming the death mod?) I never thought to think about this when I used it.

The new ones smaller size fits in the hand better and it feeds rope like butter.


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Have they made the cam internal on this one to help avoid the problem of it being held open or is it the same as the GriGri1?


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does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper?


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wiki wrote:
Have they made the cam internal on this one to help avoid the problem of it being held open or is it the same as the GriGri1?

Not so sure what you mean by this. The new GriGri is much like the old in appearance. Seems like the biggest difference is its a more refined package that feeds better and is smaller/lighter. The most major difference is that when fully engaged (ie on a skinny rope) the lever starts as a 3-1 action. Three degrees lever pull, one degree cam movement. This will allow a controlled lower with a very skinny rope (as per what my brief tinker with it told me). Once past a certain point it goes back to 1-1. Otherwise same-same but different.




The cam looks the same as the old GriGri to me . . . Hope that helps.


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Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!


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wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

Nope, there 3-1 system would be impossible without it protruding. However, since it feeds better the sketch method should be obsolete, only time will tell . . .


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dr_feelgood wrote:
does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper?

Only for a limited time when it is on clearance after being discontinued.


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chossmonkey wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper?

Only for a limited time when it is on clearance after being discontinued.

And the flood of used first gen Grigri's that will be sold by upgraders.


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cruxstacean wrote:
chossmonkey wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper?

Only for a limited time when it is on clearance after being discontinued.

And the flood of used first gen Grigri's that will be sold by upgraders.

Original Gri Gri!!! $150!!


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wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!


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Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering.

Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless.

The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds.


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cjon3s wrote:
Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering.

Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless.

The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds.

I'm sure she didn't let go of the handle.


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Of course not. The climber ended up okay though. It wasnt a huge drop, plus friction from the top anchor and grigri onto a padded floor.


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The handle is a bit like one of those reverse salad tongs if you're new to it.

You pick up the salad, press a little too hard and some salad starts shifting, you panic and squeeze down with all your might only to fuck up your salad cred at the buffet.


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cjon3s wrote:
Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering.

Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless.

The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds.

The weight of the belayer has NO impact on the functioning of the device. It may affect the choice to anchor or not, but the friction through a Grigri, ATC, whatever has no dependency on the belayer's size.


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bill413 wrote:
cjon3s wrote:
Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering.

Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless.

The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds.

The weight of the belayer has NO impact on the functioning of the device. It may affect the choice to anchor or not, but the friction through a Grigri, ATC, whatever has no dependency on the belayer's size.

I agree with Bill. (for the haters when I was 18 and weighed about a 150lbs. I belayed a 280-300 pound gentleman with an ATC on a highropes course, then later that day with a GriGri at a climbing wall no issue)
The lowering problem with the GriGri will still exist in the 2nd gen on larger rope diameters. The 3 to 1 only affects lowering with skinnier sized ropes. Which is a legitimate problem and the reason why the 1st gen wasn't rated below 10.0mm. If you were a shitty belayer with the original on a 10mm rope, you'll probably still be a shitty belayer with the GriGri2. Don't get me wrong it looks like a fantastic device, but it won't make up for someones stupidity or inability to belay properly. (see signature) I have used many (Atc, Camp tuber, ATC guide, grigri, Smart, cinch and some Omegapacific tuber) and am safe with all of them, the device doesn't make a good belayer.


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Let me just clarify that I think weight does have an effect. Not on the friction or any of that, but lowering someone very heavy on a grigri is motr finnicky than with an atc. It is hard to get the control just right. This belayer was not taught about the device and the climber being dropped was a result.

The device didnt drop him, she did. I just think that the grigri is a harder device to lower on.

Thoughts?


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airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!

This particular dropping problem tends to happen with slightly experienced climbers than beginners... you have seen them... they have just started climbing 5.12 in the gym and therefore think it is ok to belay however they want... misinterpreted the correct technique or leqarnt it off some other gym-bunny (not all 5.12 climbers of course, I've mainly seen this in the gym).

I was actually thinking more for work purposes - the main problem I have with a Grigri (as an adjustable lanyard) is knocking the protruding Cam on things (usually my elbow) every now and then and taking a small drop! Inconvenient!


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wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!

This particular dropping problem tends to happen with slightly experienced climbers than beginners... you have seen them... they have just started climbing 5.12 in the gym and therefore think it is ok to belay however they want... misinterpreted the correct technique or leqarnt it off some other gym-bunny (not all 5.12 climbers of course, I've mainly seen this in the gym).

I was actually thinking more for work purposes - the main problem I have with a Grigri (as an adjustable lanyard) is knocking the protruding Cam on things (usually my elbow) every now and then and taking a small drop! Inconvenient!

Rc.com at its best: two incoherent posters trying to have a conversation.

Jay


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cjon3s wrote:
Let me just clarify that I think weight does have an effect. Not on the friction or any of that, but lowering someone very heavy on a grigri is motr finnicky than with an atc.
Thoughts?
No difference if you are lowering properly. I weigh 120lbs; everybody I belay weighs more than I do.


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It was a noob belayer.


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gosharks wrote:
cjon3s wrote:
Let me just clarify that I think weight does have an effect. Not on the friction or any of that, but lowering someone very heavy on a grigri is motr finnicky than with an atc.
Thoughts?
No difference if you are lowering properly. I weigh 120lbs; everybody I belay weighs more than I do.

I hate to admit it, but I agree with cjon3s. The smoothness of lowering with a grigri is more rope dependent than with an ATC. Grigris are "grabby" with some ropes, and if you're lowering a heavier partner using one of these "grabby" ropes, then every time the grigri "grabs" you get pulled off your feet. ATCs don't seem to be as prone to this problem.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!

This particular dropping problem tends to happen with slightly experienced climbers than beginners... you have seen them... they have just started climbing 5.12 in the gym and therefore think it is ok to belay however they want... misinterpreted the correct technique or leqarnt it off some other gym-bunny (not all 5.12 climbers of course, I've mainly seen this in the gym).

I was actually thinking more for work purposes - the main problem I have with a Grigri (as an adjustable lanyard) is knocking the protruding Cam on things (usually my elbow) every now and then and taking a small drop! Inconvenient!

Rc.com at its best: two incoherent posters trying to have a conversation.

Jay

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jt512 wrote:
gosharks wrote:
cjon3s wrote:
Let me just clarify that I think weight does have an effect. Not on the friction or any of that, but lowering someone very heavy on a grigri is motr finnicky than with an atc.
Thoughts?
No difference if you are lowering properly. I weigh 120lbs; everybody I belay weighs more than I do.

I hate to admit it, but I agree with cjon3s. The smoothness of lowering with a grigri is more rope dependent than with an ATC. Grigris are "grabby" with some ropes, and if you're lowering a heavier partner using one of these "grabby" ropes, then every time the grigri "grabs" you get pulled off your feet. ATCs don't seem to be as prone to this problem.

Jay

yeah, the 3 to 1 for the first few degrees on the new grigri is meant to give you more control to deal with this problem on a wider range of ropes. they also redesigned the actual track the rope sits in (it has a more 'V' shape to it, like an ATC-Guide without the ribs), which should also compensate somewhat for different diameters.

time will tell if it actually does- i wish Petzl had either had a testing area for the device at the show or at least let us play with them somewhat- as it stands, i really cant tell you how its going to perform.


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Thanks for being much more clear than I was able to be, Jay.

If the Gri Gri 2 feeds better than its predecessor, I'd be happy. I've used both the Cinch and Gri Gri and am kind of stuck on both devices. I love how easily it feeds, but I do not like lowering on it at all. The handle is pretty small compared to the Gri Gri and it's not something I'm super comfortable with. I'd rather just use an ATC.

Maybe this would be a compromise on weight and functionality between the two devices.


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Thanks for being much more clear than I was able to be, Jay.

If the Gri Gri 2 feeds better than its predecessor, I'd be happy. I've used both the Cinch and Gri Gri and am kind of stuck on both devices. I love how easily it feeds, but I do not like lowering on it at all. The handle is pretty small compared to the Gri Gri and it's not something I'm super comfortable with. I'd rather just use an ATC.

Maybe this would be a compromise on weight and functionality between the two devices.

I never found the handle size on the Cinch to be an issue, but to each their own.

fwiw, the GriGri2 will clock in at the same weight as the Cinch and, while its unlikely it will feed as well as the Cinch (nothing really does), it should feed much better than the original GriGri, at least according to Petzl.


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vegastradguy wrote:
cjon3s wrote:
Thanks for being much more clear than I was able to be, Jay.

If the Gri Gri 2 feeds better than its predecessor, I'd be happy. I've used both the Cinch and Gri Gri and am kind of stuck on both devices. I love how easily it feeds, but I do not like lowering on it at all. The handle is pretty small compared to the Gri Gri and it's not something I'm super comfortable with. I'd rather just use an ATC.

Maybe this would be a compromise on weight and functionality between the two devices.

I never found the handle size on the Cinch to be an issue, but to each their own.

fwiw, the GriGri2 will clock in at the same weight as the Cinch and, while its unlikely it will feed as well as the Cinch (nothing really does), it should feed much better than the original GriGri, at least according to Petzl.

From my limited experience it seems to feed WAY better than the original. I don't even like the GriGri and I'm giving the new one a good review! Only time will tell but this seems to be a vast improvement. (which is all Petzl does, they don't catchup, they LEAP ahead. ie. mono-wire draws and Quark Ergo)


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airscape wrote:
jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!

This particular dropping problem tends to happen with slightly experienced climbers than beginners... you have seen them... they have just started climbing 5.12 in the gym and therefore think it is ok to belay however they want... misinterpreted the correct technique or leqarnt it off some other gym-bunny (not all 5.12 climbers of course, I've mainly seen this in the gym).

I was actually thinking more for work purposes - the main problem I have with a Grigri (as an adjustable lanyard) is knocking the protruding Cam on things (usually my elbow) every now and then and taking a small drop! Inconvenient!

Rc.com at its best: two incoherent posters trying to have a conversation.

Jay

It must be crap not to have any friends.

+ 1

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From my limited experience it seems to feed WAY better than the original. I don't even like the GriGri and I'm giving the new one a good review! Only time will tell but this seems to be a vast improvement. (which is all Petzl does, they don't catchup, they LEAP ahead. ie. mono-wire draws and Quark Ergo)

you must know someone @ petzl pretty well- most of my petzl buddies hadnt even gotten to play with it yet. (i assume they have or will soon, but probably not for another month yet)

as for as their mono-wire draws- i'm not entirely sure, but judging by the delay of their release of the small one and then indefinite hold on the big one, im thinking those might be a bit harder to manufacture than they thought. time will tell if they're truly worth the effort. i'm also curious to see if the price remains reasonable.


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vegastradguy wrote:
Colinhoglund wrote:
From my limited experience it seems to feed WAY better than the original. I don't even like the GriGri and I'm giving the new one a good review! Only time will tell but this seems to be a vast improvement. (which is all Petzl does, they don't catchup, they LEAP ahead. ie. mono-wire draws and Quark Ergo)

you must know someone @ petzl pretty well- most of my petzl buddies hadnt even gotten to play with it yet. (i assume they have or will soon, but probably not for another month yet)

as for as their mono-wire draws- i'm not entirely sure, but judging by the delay of their release of the small one and then indefinite hold on the big one, im thinking those might be a bit harder to manufacture than they thought. time will tell if they're truly worth the effort. i'm also curious to see if the price remains reasonable.

I'm somewhat 'acquainted' with a local rep/field tester since I've gone on a few Ice courses with him and work in local retail. Since the Canadian Rockies seems to be a proving ground there are several of these field testers here, and their all more than happy to share their latest toy with you if your lucky enough to run into them.

Wether it flops or not, I still think the ANGE is a particularly large leap ahead in technology. My slightly educated guess is that the larger was deemed redundant since the small one has the gate size of a Spirit. Looks bloody complex as well, i'm glad they're not releasing it till it is perfect.
(and just to stop sounding like a Petzl fan boy, I'm actually a huge Black Diamond whoreWink)


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wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!

This particular dropping problem tends to happen with slightly experienced climbers than beginners... you have seen them... they have just started climbing 5.12 in the gym and therefore think it is ok to belay however they want... misinterpreted the correct technique or leqarnt it off some other gym-bunny (not all 5.12 climbers of course, I've mainly seen this in the gym).

I was actually thinking more for work purposes - the main problem I have with a Grigri (as an adjustable lanyard) is knocking the protruding Cam on things (usually my elbow) every now and then and taking a small drop! Inconvenient!

Rc.com at its best: two incoherent posters trying to have a conversation.

Jay

It must be crap not to have any friends.

+ 1

Maybe I should try to get killfiled so we can have a conversation without interruption...

You two mental giants ought to think about what it takes to get offended by a comment like that of mine.

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Colinhoglund wrote:
Wether it flops or not, I still think the ANGE is a particularly large leap ahead in technology. My slightly educated guess is that the larger was deemed redundant since the small one has the gate size of a Spirit. Looks bloody complex as well, i'm glad they're not releasing it till it is perfect.
(and just to stop sounding like a Petzl fan boy, I'm actually a huge Black Diamond whoreWink)

meh, its not really that much of a leap- there are other manufacturers that have been able to put things into the body of the carabiner, they just havent done it with the spring of a gate yet. this is not to belittle what petzl has done- i think its slick, to be sure, but its nothing that special in terms of tech.

at any rate, time will tell. the guys who think this shit up are smarter than me anyway, and im sure petzl has done/is doing its homework on just about anything it decides its going to do (except ropes, of course, but thats another story (and another manufacturer)).


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jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!

This particular dropping problem tends to happen with slightly experienced climbers than beginners... you have seen them... they have just started climbing 5.12 in the gym and therefore think it is ok to belay however they want... misinterpreted the correct technique or leqarnt it off some other gym-bunny (not all 5.12 climbers of course, I've mainly seen this in the gym).

I was actually thinking more for work purposes - the main problem I have with a Grigri (as an adjustable lanyard) is knocking the protruding Cam on things (usually my elbow) every now and then and taking a small drop! Inconvenient!

Rc.com at its best: two incoherent posters trying to have a conversation.

Jay

It must be crap not to have any friends.

+ 1

Maybe I should try to get killfiled so we can have a conversation without interruption...

You two mental giants ought to think about what it takes to get offended by a comment like that of mine.

Jay

I don't get offended by anything.

I wouldn't really say Wiki was a mental giant, but thanks for the complement in any case.


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I've been using a Gri gri2 With my 9.4 rope I can just feed it like with an atc type Belay device and never need to hold the cam down. I love it as I usually dont use a grigri as it is too stiff and difficult to belay for me yet I have been using the gri gri 2 regularlly .
On an old fluffy 10.2 I do need to use the cam to feed but with a little practice am getting used to the thumb technique, and it works quite well (i found it hard to change habits at first)
Lowering it Is slower to release at the beginning of the movement and helps with control.
I am small and love how light and small it is.


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I wonder if this is just a patent ploy, is the patent for the GriGri coming up and the only way to renew it is to slightly alter the invention?


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karcand wrote:
I wonder if this is just a patent ploy, is the patent for the GriGri coming up and the only way to renew it is to slightly alter the invention?

The new one can take thinner ropes and is much lighter.

and is apparently easier to feed.

It is a betterment of an already good product. That's what we want.

If they changed it just for the sake of marketing/patent right or whatever, why is it a bad thing?


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This might be the Windows Vista of belay devices!!

I still want one.


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i used one this past weekend and thought it was pretty good - lowering seems to be much better than the original model, this with the gg2 on a 9.4 rope. can't say i've ever used a grigri outside of the gym before so my basis for comparison is rubbish but it was better than i expected, and the other guys i was with who have used a grigri a fair bit agreed.

so i thought it worked all right, was small and reasonably light. the downside was that i found it a lot more difficult to belay a leader with than an atc - feeding was a pain in the arse, though i'm sure i'd sort that out with more use. i'd happily use one for belaying fatties on steep routes, but it's probably not something i'd buy.

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did you try it just feeding the rope through like you would with an ATC? I found it super easy.
Obviously as soon as you need to depress the cam it is more complicated to feed out, but I DIDN'T NEED TO ON MY 9.4 (IT IS DRY TREATED AND ON IT'S FIRST SEASON THOUGH SO MAY BE SMOOTHER.)
Sorry for yelling pushed the caps lock by accident!


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ALL GOOD!

yeah, it fed through fine as long as i kept it slow - if the guy climbing was out of sight though and he yanked up a load of slack to clip i didn't see it coming so it locked and left me fumbling to sort it out. totally my own incompetence / lack of experience, but it was a problem for me.


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jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Hmmm. how to explain...

I mean...

When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?

It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!

I know someone might disagree.

But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.

If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.

I want one!!

This particular dropping problem tends to happen with slightly experienced climbers than beginners... you have seen them... they have just started climbing 5.12 in the gym and therefore think it is ok to belay however they want... misinterpreted the correct technique or leqarnt it off some other gym-bunny (not all 5.12 climbers of course, I've mainly seen this in the gym).

I was actually thinking more for work purposes - the main problem I have with a Grigri (as an adjustable lanyard) is knocking the protruding Cam on things (usually my elbow) every now and then and taking a small drop! Inconvenient!

Rc.com at its best: two incoherent posters trying to have a conversation.

Jay

It must be crap not to have any friends.

+ 1

Maybe I should try to get killfiled so we can have a conversation without interruption...

You two mental giants ought to think about what it takes to get offended by a comment like that of mine.

Jay

I'm not offended at all. Just drunk forum posting as usual Cool


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meh, its not really that much of a leap- there are other manufacturers that have been able to put things into the body of the carabiner, they just havent done it with the spring of a gate yet. this is not to belittle what petzl has done- i think its slick, to be sure, but its nothing that special in terms of tech.

at any rate, time will tell. the guys who think this shit up are smarter than me anyway, and im sure petzl has done/is doing its homework on just about anything it decides its going to do (except ropes, of course, but thats another story (and another manufacturer)).

I see your point. I just think it's a cool idea, a light biener that still clips well. Way better idea then that FS mini, clipping those would turn 5.10 into 5.HARD!

Ps. Thanks for all the Outdoor show reviews, much appreciated.


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vegastradguy wrote:
jt512 wrote:
gosharks wrote:
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Let me just clarify that I think weight does have an effect. Not on the friction or any of that, but lowering someone very heavy on a grigri is motr finnicky than with an atc.
Thoughts?
No difference if you are lowering properly. I weigh 120lbs; everybody I belay weighs more than I do.

I hate to admit it, but I agree with cjon3s. The smoothness of lowering with a grigri is more rope dependent than with an ATC. Grigris are "grabby" with some ropes, and if you're lowering a heavier partner using one of these "grabby" ropes, then every time the grigri "grabs" you get pulled off your feet. ATCs don't seem to be as prone to this problem.

Jay

yeah, the 3 to 1 for the first few degrees on the new grigri is meant to give you more control to deal with this problem on a wider range of ropes. they also redesigned the actual track the rope sits in (it has a more 'V' shape to it, like an ATC-Guide without the ribs), which should also compensate somewhat for different diameters.

time will tell if it actually does- i wish Petzl had either had a testing area for the device at the show or at least let us play with them somewhat- as it stands, i really cant tell you how its going to perform.

I also agree. Weight might not have a direct impact on lowering with a Grigri, but getting yanked around while working the clutch to control a thin rope isn't exactly conducive to easy operation. That's one of several reasons why many people find the Grigri more difficult to use well than a tube-style device. Add a relatively inexperienced belayer to the mix, and the result can be -- and has been -- disastrous.

Hats off to Petzl for recognizing that rope tech long ago left belay tech in the dust... and then doing something about it. Can't wait to try this thing out!


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I see it's for sale now.

http://www.mountaingear.com/.../115301/N/4294967264


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airscape wrote:
I see it's for sale now.

http://www.mountaingear.com/.../115301/N/4294967264
Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.


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Good looks for the video they put out this time. I think they did a way better job stressing the importance of how to use the device correctly this time around.


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I've had the opportunity to use several times in the past few months. The Gri Gri 2 is awesome. It's much lighter (20%), much smaller (25%) and the better ergonomic shape fits in your hand better. The feeding action is fast (I use the new technique) and the lowering is very smooth. It has a new variable cam making the control when lowering much better. Good job Petzl.


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spikeddem wrote:
airscape wrote:
I see it's for sale now.

http://www.mountaingear.com/.../115301/N/4294967264
Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.

Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so.


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gamehendge wrote:
I've had the opportunity to use several times in the past few months. The Gri Gri 2 is awesome. It's much lighter (20%), much smaller (25%) and the better ergonomic shape fits in your hand better. The feeding action is fast (I use the new technique) and the lowering is very smooth. It has a new variable cam making the control when lowering much better. Good job Petzl.

Holy marketing talking points batman!


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vegastradguy wrote:
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I see it's for sale now.

http://www.mountaingear.com/.../115301/N/4294967264
Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.

Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so.
Yeah, I kinda realized that like half an hour after I made that post. Hard to believe. I wonder what percentage of owners purchased their grigri at full cost. I got mine for about $68 or something.


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I'm pretty sure mine was less than $60.


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spikeddem wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
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I see it's for sale now.

http://www.mountaingear.com/.../115301/N/4294967264
Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.

Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so.
Yeah, I kinda realized that like half an hour after I made that post. Hard to believe. I wonder what percentage of owners purchased their grigri at full cost. I got mine for about $68 or something.

so did i- 8 years ago at full retail. i will not be repeating that for the grigri2.


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spikeddem wrote:
airscape wrote:
I see it's for sale now.

http://www.mountaingear.com/.../115301/N/4294967264
Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.

$95 is actually what the old grigri cost new. I think I paid $65 for my first one in 2003 or so, and when I turned around a couple years later they retailed at $95.

I don't think they'll have any problem selling those things.


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vegastradguy wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
airscape wrote:
I see it's for sale now.

http://www.mountaingear.com/.../115301/N/4294967264
Expected to ship 2/10/11 though. $95? Perhaps BD didn't learn their lesson with the C3 pricing.

Its the same price as the original grigri, which has been selling at $95 for the past year or so.

Damn. I should have read the whole thread instead of just posting ground up.


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Damn. I should have read the whole thread instead of just posting ground up.

Rap posting is the new ground up.


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IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing.

Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind.


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mattm wrote:
IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing.

Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind.

Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2.

Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2?


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kachoong wrote:
mattm wrote:
IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing.

Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind.

Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2.

Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2?

AFAIK, only MGear has them avail for pre-order. I'm sure most of the major vendors will have them around the same time. Mgear and MtnTools are the only vendors I', aware of that list climbing specific gear for "pre-order".

I could be way off on this of course.


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kachoong wrote:
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IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing.

Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind.

Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2.

Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2?

the first shop in the nation to get them will be DRS in vegas- 60 of them arrive this week. Travis is happy to ship anywhere in the u.s.


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Do you have any contact information for DRS? Or do they have a webiste?

vegastradguy wrote:
kachoong wrote:
mattm wrote:
IIRC - I got my GriGri in 1993 (checked the cam for the date). I paid full retail and it was about $70 from Rock and Snow. I think 18 years (and counting) is amazing.

Shelling out $95 for something that will probably last me 20 years is a no brainer in my mind. MY old one works just fine but the improved rope feeding and smaller rope compatibility make it a solid upgrade in my mind.

Yeah, I got a grigri in about 95 and then in 97 swapped it with a friend for a pair of Footfang crampons. A great deal for me since I hardly used it and needed 'pons. Lately I've been thinking about getting one again but wanted to wait for the GG2.

Does anyone know if anyone other than Mountain Gear is selling the GG2?

the first shop in the nation to get them will be DRS in vegas- 60 of them arrive this week. Travis is happy to ship anywhere in the u.s.


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Do you have any contact information for DRS? Or do they have a webiste?

http://tinyurl.com/45dhv2x


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billcoe_ wrote:
idbstyler wrote:
Do you have any contact information for DRS? Or do they have a webiste?

http://tinyurl.com/45dhv2x

their first order arrives tomorrow- 30 shiny grey grigri2s to the first 30 customers!

the blue and gold grigris come in a few weeks from what i hear.


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Ordered mine from Mountain Gear. They claimed to be getting the orange (gold) GG2s in on the 10th. If that doesn't happen, I'm going to cancel and wait for DRS to get them in. I <i>really</i> want the orange one.


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Yea, I prefer the orange one also. I'm gonna have to wait and see who has them in stock first.


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I'd say place an order with Mountain Gear if you want the orange. They have limited stock coming in, and they won't charge your car until the item ships. My plan is to call them on the 10th (the expected date of arrival). If they don't have them, I'm canceling my order and calling DRS to put one on reserve.


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I'll go $40 to the first person who hates theirs and wants to sell it used.


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I just spoke to one of the guys over at DRS and he told me that they haven't received there shipment yet. He said that UPS can drop off anytime between 10am-5pm. He also told me that there about 1-2months out from receiving the blue and orange ones Frown


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I just spoke to one of the guys over at DRS and he told me that they haven't received there shipment yet. He said that UPS can drop off anytime between 10am-5pm. He also told me that there about 1-2months out from receiving the blue and orange ones Frown

I know Travis has been talking with Petzl nonstop over the last couple days, so if he says its 1-2 months for the pretty ones...i'd take his word for it.

I really wanted an orange one too...I guess i'll just have to live with my grey one for awhile. poor me. Wink


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DRS has their grigri2s as of 1pm today. go get 'em kids!


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Here's a vid of climbers, including Sharma, talking about the grigri2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6EzpBaKYTs


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Bouldering.com also has them available for pre-order and they are including chalk, a brush, and a locking biner for free.

http://www.bouldering.com/.../Petzl-GriGri-2.html


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WOW! That's a deal!

longroper wrote:
Bouldering.com also has them available for pre-order and they are including chalk, a brush, and a locking biner for free.

http://www.bouldering.com/.../Petzl-GriGri-2.html


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I want an orange one. Its got to be worth a couple of extra weeks wait.


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billcoe_ wrote:
I'll go $40 to the first person who hates theirs and wants to sell it used.

I find it implausible you haven't preordered three of them...


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I find it implausible you haven't preordered three of them...

Wink I attribute that to drinking less these days....that and they don't have the Orange one as it's the only one that will match my chalkbag and it pairs well with my Evolve approach shoes as well. I think the Orange one was the one that Sharma was talking about as well.


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idbstyler wrote:
WOW! That's a deal!

longroper wrote:
Bouldering.com also has them available for pre-order and they are including chalk, a brush, and a locking biner for free.

http://www.bouldering.com/.../Petzl-GriGri-2.html

for boulderers, paying $95 for chalk and a brush is not a good deal at all.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
idbstyler wrote:
WOW! That's a deal!

longroper wrote:
Bouldering.com also has them available for pre-order and they are including chalk, a brush, and a locking biner for free.

http://www.bouldering.com/.../Petzl-GriGri-2.html

for boulderers, paying $95 for chalk and a brush is not a good deal at all.

Who ever said it was a great deal for guys that boulder?


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idbstyler wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
idbstyler wrote:
WOW! That's a deal!

longroper wrote:
Bouldering.com also has them available for pre-order and they are including chalk, a brush, and a locking biner for free.

http://www.bouldering.com/.../Petzl-GriGri-2.html

for boulderers, paying $95 for chalk and a brush is not a good deal at all.

Who ever said it was a great deal for guys that boulder?



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idbstyler wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
idbstyler wrote:
WOW! That's a deal!

longroper wrote:
Bouldering.com also has them available for pre-order and they are including chalk, a brush, and a locking biner for free.

http://www.bouldering.com/.../Petzl-GriGri-2.html

for boulderers, paying $95 for chalk and a brush is not a good deal at all.

Who ever said it was a great deal for guys that boulder?

WOOOSH!


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I think you got hair stuck to underside of that joke.


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j_ung wrote:
I think you got hair stuck to underside of that joke.

oh wait, did I not get his joke? oops.

well, I am bald, so that would explain the lack of pain.


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j_ung wrote:
I think you got hair stuck to underside of that joke.

How enigmatic!


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I'll sell someone my grey GriGri 2 new with the package for 85 bucks. Call it undercutting the competition. Because that's what I'm doing.


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I'll sell someone my grey GriGri 2 new with the package for 85 bucks. Call it undercutting the competition. Because that's what I'm doing.

Why?

What did you do with it?


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Nothing. Didn't take it out of the box.


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airscape wrote:
esander4 wrote:
I'll sell someone my grey GriGri 2 new with the package for 85 bucks. Call it undercutting the competition. Because that's what I'm doing.

Why?

What did you do with it?
Competition is actually not referring to retailers, but climbers. Angelic


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moose_droppings wrote:
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Damn. I should have read the whole thread instead of just posting ground up.

Rap posting is the new ground up.

rockclimbing.com is the home of grid-posting, tho, shitty ethics if you ask me.


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billcoe_ wrote:
I'll go $40 to the first person who hates theirs and wants to sell it used.

I want a used one so I can be the first to death-mod a grigri2.


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According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.


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According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.


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jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.


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vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.

Elaborate please.


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Khoi wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.

Elaborate please.

you can read all about it in next month's issue of DPM.


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vegastradguy wrote:
Khoi wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.

Elaborate please.

you can read all about it in next month's issue of DPM.

You know he's just going to ask you what "DPM" stands for.

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
Khoi wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.

Elaborate please.

you can read all about it in next month's issue of DPM.

You know he's just going to ask you what "DPM" stands for.

Jay
Dead Point Magazine


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jt512 wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
Khoi wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.

Elaborate please.

you can read all about it in next month's issue of DPM.

You know he's just going to ask you what "DPM" stands for.

Jay

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...ost=2061775;#2061775

BZZT!

Wrong Jay! Try again.

And so you don't throw another hissy fit to the mods, this one star is from me.


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vegastradguy wrote:
Khoi wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.

Elaborate please.

you can read all about it in next month's issue of DPM.

I look forward to it.

Though I'll most likely be reading it on their website. It seems the the one gym in my area that was getting the magazine stopped receiving them. Frown


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Khoi wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
Khoi wrote:
vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.

Elaborate please.

you can read all about it in next month's issue of DPM.

I look forward to it.

Though I'll most likely be reading it on their website. It seems the the one gym in my area that was getting the magazine stopped receiving them. Frown

pm me with the gym name and i'll see if i can get it sent there again.


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vegastradguy wrote:
jakedatc wrote:
tower_climber wrote:
According to Mountain Gear, my orange one shipped today. We'll see.

My gf also said hers shipped from Bouldering.com. i'm a Cinch person myself but i'll definitely try the GriGri2 to compare.

fwiw, i was a die hard cinch user right up until about 2 weeks ago.
Way more effective than any commercial/ad I read/saw for the grigri2.


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Well, here's my review on the new GriGri.

I used it today. I have had a GriGri for close to twenty years. It's a great device. The new and improved version is a VAST improvement. I really like this device.

This is the setup I used today:

10.3 mil Sterling bi-colored rope, dry treated, brand new (read slick).

My partner was leading, then we top roped another route next to the first one. Paying out slack was a dream. Lowering was a dream as well. I cannot begin to express my satisfaction with this device. I have never used a Cinch so I cannot compare the two, but I LOVE THE NEW GRIGRI!

The difference in size and weight is also a HUGE improvement.

Petzl definitely hit the nail on the head with this one!!!!


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socalclimber wrote:
Well, here's my review on the new GriGri.

I used it today. I have had a GriGri for close to twenty years. It's a great device. The new and improved version is a VAST improvement. I really like this device.

This is the setup I used today:

10.3 mil Sterling bi-colored rope, dry treated, brand new (read slick).

My partner was leading, then we top roped another route next to the first one. Paying out slack was a dream. Lowering was a dream as well. I cannot begin to express my satisfaction with this device. I have never used a Cinch so I cannot compare the two, but I LOVE THE NEW GRIGRI!

The difference in size and weight is also a HUGE improvement.

Petzl definitely hit the nail on the head with this one!!!!

You guys have made me order one, even though I don't really need it.


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On thinner ropes (up to my 10.2 BW) you can use it Like a tube device( reverso/atc) and use the NEW belay technique for any jambs. So make sure to read the instructions to get the most out of it.
I Hardly used my old grirgi. This ones going everywhere with me


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