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yodadave
Oct 1, 2010, 2:15 PM
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Anyone got their hands on one of these yet (yes i know they aren't officially out yet)?
Just wondering if they will be able to be used for rope solo like the old ones or if i should just go get an original.
I realise this may have to wait until they are available in stores but who knows maybe some fine upstanding RC.comer had sticky fingers at a trade show.
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socalclimber
Oct 1, 2010, 2:44 PM
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yodadave wrote: Anyone got their hands on one of these yet (yes i know they aren't officially out yet)? Just wondering if they will be able to be used for rope solo like the old ones or if i should just go get an original. I realise this may have to wait until they are available in stores but who knows maybe some fine upstanding RC.comer had sticky fingers at a trade show.
I have not had one in my hands yet, but I cannot see why these would not be sufficient for soloing. They look like they have the "bulk" shaved off. Same device.
I'll be curious to see.
Petzl knows their shit. I've used a GriGri for years, and for aid soloing, they are the bomb. My "guess" is that the new version will be just fine.
Guess we will find out.
(This post was edited by socalclimber on Oct 1, 2010, 2:46 PM)
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yodadave
Oct 1, 2010, 2:49 PM
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yeah i just know that petzl have never really approved of their use for solo activities so i guess I'm paranoid that they'll make it so you can't 
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j_ung
Oct 4, 2010, 1:41 PM
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socalclimber wrote: yodadave wrote: yeah i just know that petzl have never really approved of their use for solo activities so i guess I'm paranoid that they'll make it so you can't Interesting point. Never considered that one.
Time to hoard old Grigris for later ebay sales. 
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socalclimber
Oct 4, 2010, 2:57 PM
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j_ung wrote: socalclimber wrote: yodadave wrote: yeah i just know that petzl have never really approved of their use for solo activities so i guess I'm paranoid that they'll make it so you can't Interesting point. Never considered that one. Time to hoard old Grigris for later ebay sales.
I'll be rich bitch!
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Colinhoglund
Oct 4, 2010, 6:53 PM
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yodadave wrote: Anyone got their hands on one of these yet (yes i know they aren't officially out yet)? Just wondering if they will be able to be used for rope solo like the old ones or if i should just go get an original. I realise this may have to wait until they are available in stores but who knows maybe some fine upstanding RC.comer had sticky fingers at a trade show.
I know one of the local Petzl reps, so I had a chance to briefly play with his a bit. Still kinda heavy, but does feel lighter and more compact. Seemed to feed better so the whole 'how to give slack with a grgri" thing might disappear. The two stage lower mechanism seemed to work really well. The rep said the only reason the GriGri 1 was never rated below 10mm was it lowered 'poorly' below that diameter, the new 2 stage thing solved that. Though not a big fan (see signature) of the GriGri in general, I'm optimistic that this new version might just be revolutionary. Perhaps I'll even buy one (maybe . . .)
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cjon3s
Oct 14, 2010, 8:45 PM
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Could you explain the two stage lowering? Does it make lowering significantly easier? That's honestly been my main reason for not liking autolocking devices. I find they are much harder to lower with.
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chossmonkey
Oct 15, 2010, 1:29 AM
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cjon3s wrote: Could you explain the two stage lowering? Does it make lowering significantly easier? That's honestly been my main reason for not liking autolocking devices. I find they are much harder to lower with.
It when releasing the brake once you get to a certain point it releases more slowly making it easier to control how fast you lower.
I don't know if they will work for soloing, (I'm assuming the death mod?) I never thought to think about this when I used it.
The new ones smaller size fits in the hand better and it feeds rope like butter.
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wiki
Oct 16, 2010, 12:03 AM
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Have they made the cam internal on this one to help avoid the problem of it being held open or is it the same as the GriGri1?
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dr_feelgood
Oct 16, 2010, 12:24 AM
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does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper?
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wiki
Oct 16, 2010, 6:15 AM
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Hmmm. how to explain...
I mean...
When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy?
It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!
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Colinhoglund
Oct 16, 2010, 8:01 AM
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wiki wrote: Hmmm. how to explain... I mean... When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy? It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!
Nope, there 3-1 system would be impossible without it protruding. However, since it feeds better the sketch method should be obsolete, only time will tell . . .
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chossmonkey
Oct 26, 2010, 12:19 AM
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dr_feelgood wrote: does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper?
Only for a limited time when it is on clearance after being discontinued.
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cruxstacean
Oct 26, 2010, 2:31 AM
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chossmonkey wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper? Only for a limited time when it is on clearance after being discontinued.
And the flood of used first gen Grigri's that will be sold by upgraders.
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carabiner96
Oct 26, 2010, 2:21 PM
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cruxstacean wrote: chossmonkey wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: does this mean that the original grigri will become cheaper? Only for a limited time when it is on clearance after being discontinued. And the flood of used first gen Grigri's that will be sold by upgraders.
Original Gri Gri!!! $150!!
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airscape
Oct 26, 2010, 2:57 PM
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wiki wrote: Hmmm. how to explain... I mean... When the cam is engaged, does the butt-end of the handle stick out (the bit everyone grabs when they feed rope in the Non-Petzl-Endorsed way), or is it all contained inside like an Eddy? It just seems like the next logical step for Petzl would be to use influences from its industrial devive the RIG, and improve the GriGri so it is almost foolproof!
I know someone might disagree.
But it is almost foolproof. If it's not then... I don't really know how anyone but a completely brand new belayer could fuck up the rope direction or some other grigri related problem.
If you're going to kill someone with a grigri, you most likely will kill them with a grgri 2/atc/etc. in any case.
I want one!!
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cjon3s
Oct 26, 2010, 7:37 PM
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Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering.
Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless.
The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds.
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airscape
Oct 26, 2010, 7:47 PM
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cjon3s wrote: Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering. Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless. The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds.
I'm sure she didn't let go of the handle.
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cjon3s
Oct 26, 2010, 7:53 PM
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Of course not. The climber ended up okay though. It wasnt a huge drop, plus friction from the top anchor and grigri onto a padded floor.
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airscape
Oct 26, 2010, 8:00 PM
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The handle is a bit like one of those reverse salad tongs if you're new to it.
You pick up the salad, press a little too hard and some salad starts shifting, you panic and squeeze down with all your might only to fuck up your salad cred at the buffet.
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bill413
Oct 26, 2010, 10:54 PM
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cjon3s wrote: Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering. Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless. The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds.
The weight of the belayer has NO impact on the functioning of the device. It may affect the choice to anchor or not, but the friction through a Grigri, ATC, whatever has no dependency on the belayer's size.
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Colinhoglund
Oct 26, 2010, 11:20 PM
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bill413 wrote: cjon3s wrote: Actually, it seems the Gri Gri 2 has sorta improved on one of the main issues of the original; lowering. Now I know lowering on a Gri Gri isn't difficult, but for someone lightweight belaying someone heavier, there is a lot less control with a Gri Gri. The only time I have ever seen someone dropped with a Gri Gri, it was because the belayer could not control the climber while lowering and let go of the rope. Her fault, yes, but nonetheless. The 3-1 system is intriguing. Hope it's as cool as it sounds. The weight of the belayer has NO impact on the functioning of the device. It may affect the choice to anchor or not, but the friction through a Grigri, ATC, whatever has no dependency on the belayer's size.
I agree with Bill. (for the haters when I was 18 and weighed about a 150lbs. I belayed a 280-300 pound gentleman with an ATC on a highropes course, then later that day with a GriGri at a climbing wall no issue)
The lowering problem with the GriGri will still exist in the 2nd gen on larger rope diameters. The 3 to 1 only affects lowering with skinnier sized ropes. Which is a legitimate problem and the reason why the 1st gen wasn't rated below 10.0mm. If you were a shitty belayer with the original on a 10mm rope, you'll probably still be a shitty belayer with the GriGri2. Don't get me wrong it looks like a fantastic device, but it won't make up for someones stupidity or inability to belay properly. (see signature) I have used many (Atc, Camp tuber, ATC guide, grigri, Smart, cinch and some Omegapacific tuber) and am safe with all of them, the device doesn't make a good belayer.
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cjon3s
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Let me just clarify that I think weight does have an effect. Not on the friction or any of that, but lowering someone very heavy on a grigri is motr finnicky than with an atc. It is hard to get the control just right. This belayer was not taught about the device and the climber being dropped was a result.
The device didnt drop him, she did. I just think that the grigri is a harder device to lower on.
Thoughts?
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