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Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay


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I have no opinion as to whether or not the system "works", but I am honestly curious why anyone actually cares.
What is, in your opinion, the purpose of the system?

...I have yet to have figured out any valid/useful purpose the system might be used for...Crazy


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jt512 wrote:
Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay
Maybe we should have a kills file, and make fun of everyone too. That makes more sense….you hypocrite .
Leave it to a sport climber to change their environment and make some aspect of it known, where the rest of us thrive in the unknown.
You have insulted and rundown many users on this site in the past and the present. Even after you bitched and complained for pages about better beer in the bar , you are still the noise. A leader leads by example. Do as I say and not as I do , is not setting a good example Jay.

This star is from me… kisses from Peru XXX


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jt512 wrote:
Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay

What "doesn't work" about them? Did it affect your link? Did it prevent you from logging in? Did it delete your thread?

The only thing that one star ratings do is show, democratically, if the community thinks you're a douchebag or not. Since you already know what the collective intelligence of the community is, JT, then I would think that you shouldn't care about one-star ratings. If you did, it would just be a sign of your existing petty insecurities.


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I don't actually have anything to add, but it seems that people are getting 5 stars for posting up anything in response to yours, so...

Neener neener neener!


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camhead wrote:
jt512 wrote:
Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay

What "doesn't work" about them?

It's a pretty simple concept, Paul. They don't do what they were intended to do. That is, they don't reflect the quality of posts.

In reply to:
The only thing that one star ratings do is show, democratically, if the community thinks you're a douchebag or not.

First of all, they don't show that. They show that there are a few obsessive lunatics who down-rate the posts of myself and a few others. This practice would stop immediately if the voters' names were disclosed, as they are on MP, as well as on photo ratings here.

If the site wants the post ratings to reliably reflect the quality of the posts, then the system needs to be changed so that votes are not anonymous. Alternatively, just drop the ratings altogether, since they're not doing what was intended.

Jay


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The only rating system here that ever meant anything was the big steamy piles of shit. I loved those things.


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jt512 wrote:
camhead wrote:
jt512 wrote:
Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay

What "doesn't work" about them?

It's a pretty simple concept, Paul. They don't do what they were intended to do. That is, they don't reflect the quality of posts.

Actually, I find that the vast majority of star ratings do exactly what they are supposed to do. Users like rgold get consistantly high star ratings because they post useful, knowlegeable content in a clear, concise, respectful way.

Other users like usnavy who obviously do not know what they are talking about get one starred, and usually their advice is quoted and refuted so that rank and file amateurs do not take their advise seriously.

Then there are a special few who earn one stars because they have pissed someone off, earned no respect, nor shown any modicum of human decency in a vast percentage of their posts. Perhaps your one star ratings are less about the content of your material, and more about your shortcomings as a decent human being.


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The only thing that one star ratings do is show, democratically, if the community thinks you're a douchebag or not.

First of all, they don't show that. They show that there are a few obsessive lunatics who down-rate the posts of myself and a few others. This practice would stop immediately if the voters' names were disclosed, as they are on MP, as well as on photo ratings here.

If the site wants the post ratings to reliably reflect the quality of the posts, then the system needs to be changed so that votes are not anonymous. Alternatively, just drop the ratings altogether, since they're not doing what was intended.

Jay

The votes are doing what they were designed for, just not doing what you want them to do, which is cast your opinions in a favorable light. You got one starred, so what? If you truly wanted to help the site, then you could always step back and change your posting style, or better yet, leave.

I don't see that happening, personally, as you were once stripped of moderator status because you were unwilling to engage in civil dialogue.

You find a perceived weakness in other posters, and then harp on them till the bitter end, always with the last word, as if that will make you right. Make sure you push the TOS for personal attack without crossing the line. The bloodletting fiasco with adatesman was fun for you, wasn't it? Hitting a man who was obviously in a fragile state just so you could win what? An internet argument? If you can't be a mod, why should others who you deem less worthy?

Fact is, you need this place and it kills you to think that RC doesn't need you. You rarely post on MP or Supertopo, because your BS would get called out and your inferior knowlege would get exposed by better climbers than you. If I recall correctly, you were banned from here once, and had to offer an apology so that you could get back on because you need RC. You thrive on looking and feeling smart and wise, but now your abrasive personality threatens to undermine your own efforts. I say good, it's high time you reap what you sow.

FYI, none of the one stars are mine, I never use that feature, and you are usually not worth the effort. I just felt like responding to your little whiny rant while waiting for my lunch to heat up.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
I don't actually have anything to add, but it seems that people are getting 5 stars for posting up anything in response to yours, so...

Neener neener neener!

Gongratulations on this high quality post!


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I nominate this the best thread ever.

God forbid Jay have to hear what others think of him and not be able to hide it behind a computer program.

I would say that if the star ratings did have accountability I would actually rate more post, especially Jay's drivel.

What you want to bet Jay thinks there have only been two responses to this thread so far?


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jt512 wrote:
Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay

hmmm. Exactly one day ago, you called me a whiner. Ironic? I think so.

I can't believe that you are surprised that people don't appreciate your "quality" posts. You spend so much time berating users it must be your job. If you want people to not star-bomb you, then stop being a douche. It's really quite simple. I have been teaching elementary school for 12 years and have NEVER had a child show as poor social behavior as you do. You are really quite pathetic to think that you will get a sympathetic ear here.

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Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay

hmmm. Exactly one day ago, you called me a whiner. Ironic? I think so.

I can't believe that you are surprised that people don't appreciate your "quality" posts. You spend so much time berating users it must be your job. If you want people to not star-bomb you, then stop being a douche. It's really quite simple. I have been teaching elementary school for 12 years and have NEVER had a child show as poor social behavior as you do. You are really quite pathetic to think that you will get a sympathetic ear here.

Josh

Don't antagonize the guy, or he might invade tsarist russia.


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I nominate this the best thread ever.

God forbid Jay have to hear what others think of him and not be able to hide it behind a computer program.

I would say that if the star ratings did have accountability I would actually rate more post, especially Jay's drivel.

What you want to bet Jay thinks there have only been two responses to this thread so far?

dude, who told you i was jay's?


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drivel wrote:
boymeetsrock wrote:
I nominate this the best thread ever.

God forbid Jay have to hear what others think of him and not be able to hide it behind a computer program.

I would say that if the star ratings did have accountability I would actually rate more post, especially Jay's drivel.

What you want to bet Jay thinks there have only been two responses to this thread so far?

dude, who told you i was jay's?

Your sig gives it away.




Back on topic:


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Jay's right, this crap is unacceptable!

I too have suffered unwarranted 1 staring of my content by some oedipal, knuckle dragging basement dweller. There must be a change to the system and I'm thinking only of my fellow users when I say this. Those poor souls who are being deprived of priority access to my valuable contributions when using the search function.

Think of the children!


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Another option would be to simply go to a thumbs-up-only rating system. Worthwhile posts would thus be voted up, but there would be no way to penalize high-quality posts out of personal animosity toward the poster.

Jay


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I freely admit you have posted high quality posts, Jay. It's a shame you've created such a name for yourself through the berating of other users. Did some deserve it? Maybe a few, I can think of several who definitely did not.

Ironically, you could be one of the more appreciated and respected posters on the whole site if you didn't have a history of lashing out at others.


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jt512 wrote:
Another option would be to simply go to a thumbs-up-only rating system. Worthwhile posts would thus be voted up, but there would be no way to penalize high-quality posts out of personal animosity toward the poster.

Jay

And also no way to penalize low quality posts that get voted up in the trad forums by floridagymclymber4lyfe's spotter friends.


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jt512 wrote:
Another option would be to simply go to a thumbs-up-only rating system. Worthwhile posts would thus be voted up, but there would be no way to penalize high-quality posts out of personal animosity toward the poster.

Jay

I actually like being able to vote a post up or down depending on it's quality but I have never liked the fact that you cannot see whos doing the voting. I'm with you on this but I don't imagine that a change will actually be made.


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Another forum site that I am on has a very good rating system...

A poster gets 'reputation' points for a post (optional of course).

The points must be accompanied with an intelligent comment or it gets deleted.

A list of the people who gave you points and their comments appears in your profile.

both positive and negative points can be given.

Your 'reputation' points show up under your name whenever you post.

This works because:

It isn't anonymous - if someone is stalking you, it can be reported.

There has to be a reason - even if it is because you have just been a dick (or not).

If you are actually a dick (or not), everyone can see it straight away rather than figuring it out from your posts spread throughout the forum.

Believe it or not, this actually works. Helps keep people in line a little bit as well!


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wiki wrote:
Another forum site that I am on has a very good rating system...

A poster gets 'reputation' points for a post (optional of course).

The points must be accompanied with an intelligent comment or it gets deleted.

A list of the people who gave you points and their comments appears in your profile.

both positive and negative points can be given.

Your 'reputation' points show up under your name whenever you post.

This works because:

It isn't anonymous - if someone is stalking you, it can be reported.

There has to be a reason - even if it is because you have just been a dick (or not).

If you are actually a dick (or not), everyone can see it straight away rather than figuring it out from your posts spread throughout the forum.

Believe it or not, this actually works. Helps keep people in line a little bit as well!

I definitely believe it would work, and I'd highly encourage this website to adopt the system.

Jay


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wiki wrote:
Another forum site that I am on has a very good rating system...

A poster gets 'reputation' points for a post (optional of course).

The points must be accompanied with an intelligent comment or it gets deleted.

A list of the people who gave you points and their comments appears in your profile.

both positive and negative points can be given.

Your 'reputation' points show up under your name whenever you post.

This works because:

It isn't anonymous - if someone is stalking you, it can be reported.

There has to be a reason - even if it is because you have just been a dick (or not).

If you are actually a dick (or not), everyone can see it straight away rather than figuring it out from your posts spread throughout the forum.

Believe it or not, this actually works. Helps keep people in line a little bit as well!

THe mods are going to have to read a hell of a lot of comments.

I'm glad I don't have that job.


I don't see how this will stop Jay from being a dick though.


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airscape wrote:
wiki wrote:
Another forum site that I am on has a very good rating system...

A poster gets 'reputation' points for a post (optional of course).

The points must be accompanied with an intelligent comment or it gets deleted.

A list of the people who gave you points and their comments appears in your profile.

both positive and negative points can be given.

Your 'reputation' points show up under your name whenever you post.

This works because:

It isn't anonymous - if someone is stalking you, it can be reported.

There has to be a reason - even if it is because you have just been a dick (or not).

If you are actually a dick (or not), everyone can see it straight away rather than figuring it out from your posts spread throughout the forum.

Believe it or not, this actually works. Helps keep people in line a little bit as well!

THe mods are going to have to read a hell of a lot of comments.

I'm glad I don't have that job.


I don't see how this will stop Jay from being a dick though.

They won't have to - if you get a rating without a comment, you can complain.

It won't stop anyone being a dick if they want to be but at least there are some consequences for it...


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jt512 wrote:
wiki wrote:
Another forum site that I am on has a very good rating system...

A poster gets 'reputation' points for a post (optional of course).

The points must be accompanied with an intelligent comment or it gets deleted.

A list of the people who gave you points and their comments appears in your profile.

both positive and negative points can be given.

Your 'reputation' points show up under your name whenever you post.

This works because:

It isn't anonymous - if someone is stalking you, it can be reported.

There has to be a reason - even if it is because you have just been a dick (or not).

If you are actually a dick (or not), everyone can see it straight away rather than figuring it out from your posts spread throughout the forum.

Believe it or not, this actually works. Helps keep people in line a little bit as well!

I definitely believe it would work, and I'd highly encourage this website to adopt the system.

Jay

So this would cause you to stop being a dick? Or you would just agree to wear the name tag?


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jt512 wrote:
Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay

I both agree and disagree. First, the rating system is doing what it was intended to do. The proof of it is all over the site.

To the rest of you...

However, it's also doing a few unintended things. One is the personal animosity thing Jay's talking about. The effect of that isn't, however, limited to Jay reaping the rewards of his post history. The other effect is that, occasionally, truly useful posts (of which Jay has many) get down voted and the info therein gets consigned to the Jay's-an-asshole bin.

If I had it to do over again, I would use a binary system (thumbs up/thumbs down) and hold people accountable for their ratings.

As an aside, say what you will about Jay's posting style. He knows his shit, and he isn't anonymous, which counts for a lot in my book. And frankly, when it comes to burying useful information under a pile of crap, I think the people who let him bother them are just as bad.


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How do more star/less stars actually affect someone's legitimacy here?

I sort of see the stars like chalk on a route. That is, I don't see them any more. Lots of idiots chalk up holds that lead to nowhere, or in fear dab every possible foothold to the point you'd need 4 legs and 4 hands to use all the *beta* if you followed chalk...

Same with the stars. Looking to them for usefulness in divining the information in front of me is futile. Route-finding on RC.com = Reading Comprehension and Ability to Analyze.




Or - Maybe the Star system just DOES show the level of respect users here have for each other. Maybe someone should make a Sticky in the Beginners section - A Guide to Understanding the Star System as it Relates to the Popularity of Users Here


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I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form.

The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence.

Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form.

The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence.

Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless.

You take all of this way too seriously.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form.

The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence.

Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless.

You take all of this way too seriously.
I

I gave you five starts because you're named after a beer.

Content is pretty much meaningless for me.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
I don't use stars either to give praise or to give criticism. I certainly don't use them to judge quality of posts. It is a bad practice to trust stars in any way shape or form.

The only thing they do is remind me how petty people can be. For some reason I forget how shallow most people are, then some 1 star ratings remind me. Yup, still a lot of people here who lack basic self confidence.

Outside of that depressing reminder, stars are and have been useless.

I gave you 5 stars since your name reminds me of a crappy breakfast if it's the only thing there is.


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JT,
If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.


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johnwesely wrote:
JT,
If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.

He always rates your posts one star.


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airscape wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
JT,
If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.

He always rates your posts one star.

I've got to get my reading skillz checked, I misread that as:

He always rates you a porn star.


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airscape wrote:
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JT,
If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.

He always rates your posts one star.

And I am such a nice guy too...


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
airscape wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
JT,
If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.

He always rates your posts one star.

I've got to get my reading skillz checked, I misread that as:

He always rates you a porn star.

That feature is only available to moderators.


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edge wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
airscape wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
JT,
If it helps your ego at all, I always rate your posts 5 stars.

He always rates your posts one star.

I've got to get my reading skillz checked, I misread that as:

He always rates you a porn star.

That feature is only available to moderators.

I'm glad I don't have to rate users on this site on their porn star skilz.

But for that post I give you three porn stars. I would give you more, but that only happens in the campgroung.


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Wow, I'm not the only one who thinks Jay is full of .....

Now, how do I move up on the porn-star rating scale.

Obviously, a porn star needs a symbol for vote. Thumbs up or down don't seem to do this rating justice. Any suggestions???

Maybe a stiff and limpBlush


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guangzhou wrote:
Wow, I'm not the only one who thinks Jay is full of .....

Now, how do I move up on the porn-star rating scale.

Obviously, a porn star needs a symbol for vote. Thumbs up or down don't seem to do this rating justice. Any suggestions???

Maybe a stiff and limpBlush
Woah. What are you even talking about!? I get that there's some animosity towards Jay, but nothing else!


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spikeddem wrote:
guangzhou wrote:
Wow, I'm not the only one who thinks Jay is full of .....

Now, how do I move up on the porn-star rating scale.

Obviously, a porn star needs a symbol for vote. Thumbs up or down don't seem to do this rating justice. Any suggestions???

Maybe a stiff and limpBlush
Woah. What are you even talking about!? I get that there's some animosity towards Jay, but nothing else!
I was kinda hoping after a couple beers I would at least get the porn star connection......but, alas, no luck.
guangzhou, that's almost a Majid-worthy post, except I am still assuming you were drunk posting Wink


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Jay, I understand what you are saying but a star or a series of stars does not make me want to read someone's posts. I'm sure others are in the same boat as I am.
If I see that there is an interesting title written by an individual on the board who has a history of high end posts I click on it and read it.

Not kissing your ass here but there are few posts that I overlook of yours. There are others here that rank with me this way too.

I do like the idea that you have of holding raters accountable for their star ratings.
Regarding stars, if someone does not rate a post does that mean that they think it's a shit post or does it mean they possibly just don't rate post at all?
Maybe in order to post a reply you should have to rate any thread including the accountablity problem/issue


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Even if a user was to be held accountable for the rating it wouldn't help. Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are.

Eman


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Adk wrote:
Regarding stars, if someone does not rate a post does that mean that they think it's a shit post or does it mean they possibly just don't rate post at all?

The related ambiguity (in theory, at least) is whether one star means slightly good (like in a guidebook) or terrible (like a movie rating). The alternative system, using just thumbs up or thumbs down, would solve both ambiguities.

Jay


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Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are.

Eman

I personally know at least 20 people here. I would bet that many of us have run into each other from time to time as well and can put a face to a screen name.


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jt512 wrote:
Adk wrote:
Regarding stars, if someone does not rate a post does that mean that they think it's a shit post or does it mean they possibly just don't rate post at all?

The related ambiguity (in theory, at least) is whether one star means slightly good (like in a guidebook) or terrible (like a movie rating). The alternative system, using just thumbs up or thumbs down, would solve both ambiguities.

Jay

Thumbs work for me !!!


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Even if a user was to be held accountable for the rating it wouldn't help. Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are.

Eman

I disagree, I think that most peoplw here know at least one other person here. In fact I smell a pole. (spellink intentiomal for the hummer challenged.)


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
guangzhou wrote:
Even if a user was to be held accountable for the rating it wouldn't help. Most users here hide behind the profile name and no-one actually knows who they are.

Eman

I disagree, I think that most peoplw here know at least one other person here. In fact I smell a pole. (spellink intentiomal for the hummer challenged.)

I don't know anyone.

And knowing my name won't change my vote. As a matter of fact I would like it if someone knew that I voted for them,

I do feel though that the lack of a rating system in the campground is fucked up. How am I supposed to know if my senseless drivel is worth anything?

Also there should be graphs.


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airscape wrote:
I do feel though that the lack of a rating system in the campground is fucked up. How am I supposed to know if my senseless drivel is worth anything?

Also there should be graphs.

If you are looking for warm hugs for the drivel you post, I suggest you look in the commune you hippie.

As for graphs:



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Thumbs up/down works for me. There could also be a minimum number of votes before the results are displayed so that a few random haters do not show up if otherwise there's not much feedback.

I don't know if rc.com rolled their own software or if it's some off the shelf stuff, but limiting display of rating with more than N feedbacks seems like a trivial change, so maybe it can be done first. Thumbs up/down is not hard, but it's way more involved.


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How about giving "senior member" status to those individuals who have ten or more years of verifiable climbing experience, and who have earned the respect of fellow members based upon knowledge and skill, not personality.

Unlike the star system (ratings based upon???), a person would know at a glance who the real stars of this site are.


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How about giving "senior member" status to those individuals who have ten or more years of verifiable climbing experience, and who have earned the respect of fellow members based upon knowledge and skill, not personality.

Unlike the star system (ratings based upon???), a person would know at a glance who the real stars of this site are.

I've met plenty of "senior climbers" who didn't know their ass from a clove hitch.


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redrattie wrote:
How about giving "senior member" status to those individuals who have ten or more years of verifiable climbing experience, and who have earned the respect of fellow members based upon knowledge and skill, not personality.

Unlike the star system (ratings based upon???), a person would know at a glance who the real stars of this site are.

You have 9985 posts to go.


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in a perfect world, there would be some sort of algorithm that took into account postcount in non-community threads, highly ranked posts, years climbing, climbing ability on a diversity of styles, and positive referrals from partners. heh, yeah right.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
redrattie wrote:
How about giving "senior member" status to those individuals who have ten or more years of verifiable climbing experience, and who have earned the respect of fellow members based upon knowledge and skill, not personality.

Unlike the star system (ratings based upon???), a person would know at a glance who the real stars of this site are.

I've met plenty of "senior climbers" who didn't know their ass from a clove hitch.

On other sites of which I am a member, the "senior" designation is a sign of respect. As a n00b, I don't know what the standard should be. What do you suggest?

How can I tell at a glance who is an expert and who is a poser when the star system is used to one star someone for being a "jerk". As an adult I can decide for myself if someone's a jerk, and I really don't care who likes who. How do I separate the good from the bad?


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kachoong wrote:
redrattie wrote:
How about giving "senior member" status to those individuals who have ten or more years of verifiable climbing experience, and who have earned the respect of fellow members based upon knowledge and skill, not personality.

Unlike the star system (ratings based upon???), a person would know at a glance who the real stars of this site are.

You have 9985 posts to go.

So I don't need to know anything? I just need to post a lot? I post really really well. I have over 14,000 posts on other sites, guess that makes me an expert at something Tongue

Edit... please someone one star me so that no one takes this post seriously, hurry someone might be offended, maybe I should one star myself. Gee I really am enjoying being a n00b again, feel sorry for all those that have a reputation to maintain, hah, I get to act like a complete idiot and not worry about anyone finding out because I'm a n00b and no one cares what I think. shhhhh don't tell anyone I'm here...


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redrattie wrote:
How do I separate the good from the bad?


Well, if someone has more than 500 posts, their advice is probably decent. To further it down, decent grammar and mechanics also suggest that the advice was at least okay. Rarely do we see posts that have excessive amounts of ellipses and also contain good advice. Lots of ellipses generally suggest that these people are just randomly searching their brains for bits and piece of information between thoughts.

Along the lines of "excess," excessive bolding--especially of random blocks of text--suggest you may be reading a page from the book of Enigma. If you see this, you may want to turn off your monitor, douse the computer in gasoline, and light it on fire.


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spikeddem wrote:


Well, if someone has more than 500 posts, their advice is probably decent. To further it down, decent grammar and mechanics also suggest that the advice was at least okay. Rarely do we see posts that have excessive amounts of ellipses and also contain good advice. Lots of ellipses generally suggest that these people are just randomly searching their brains for bits and piece of information between thoughts.

Along the lines of "excess," excessive bolding--especially of random blocks of text--suggest you may be reading a page from the book of Enigma. If you see this, you may want to turn off your monitor, douse the computer in gasoline, and light it on fire.

Enigma has way over 500 posts, so you pretty much killed your original point.


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redrattie wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
redrattie wrote:
How about giving "senior member" status to those individuals who have ten or more years of verifiable climbing experience, and who have earned the respect of fellow members based upon knowledge and skill, not personality.

Unlike the star system (ratings based upon???), a person would know at a glance who the real stars of this site are.

I've met plenty of "senior climbers" who didn't know their ass from a clove hitch.

On other sites of which I am a member, the "senior" designation is a sign of respect. As a n00b, I don't know what the standard should be. What do you suggest?

How can I tell at a glance who is an expert and who is a poser when the star system is used to one star someone for being a "jerk". As an adult I can decide for myself if someone's a jerk, and I really don't care who likes who. How do I separate the good from the bad?

One of the reasons I personally don't like the star system is that it attempts to create a shortcut where none should exist. I feel that the most important thing to develop is your judgement. It is important to judge your belayer, your gear, your setup, the weather, your skills...

Trust no advice except your own. Judge all advice posts. It is OK to have a bias towards some users, but never let that process of judging stop.


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I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.


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beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

Not sure what you mean. What posts were removed ? I'm not a moderator, so I have no idea what you're talking about.


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jomagam wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

Not sure what you mean. What posts were removed ? I'm not a moderator, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm assuming that it was when he made a pretty succinct argument that, if certain people stopped being [censored], they would not have to worry about getting their posts one-starred.

If that got moderated, facepalm.


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Camhead pretty much summed it up. LeadZeppelin made a post to that effect right here in this very thread which had several on-topic replies and they're all now missing.

Oh, and my post wasn't directed at you; your's just happened to be at the bottom of the list.


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spikeddem wrote:
redrattie wrote:
How do I separate the good from the bad?


Well, if someone has more than 500 posts, their advice is probably decent. To further it down, decent grammar and mechanics also suggest that the advice was at least okay. Rarely do we see posts that have excessive amounts of ellipses and also contain good advice. Lots of ellipses generally suggest that these people are just randomly searching their brains for bits and piece of information between thoughts.

Along the lines of "excess," excessive bolding--especially of random blocks of text--suggest you may be reading a page from the book of Enigma. If you see this, you may want to turn off your monitor, douse the computer in gasoline, and light it on fire.

Or a page from PTPP, who probably contributed more useful info to this site than anyone else while egregiously bolding every other 3 words.


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redrattie wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
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How about giving "senior member" status to those individuals who have ten or more years of verifiable climbing experience, and who have earned the respect of fellow members based upon knowledge and skill, not personality.

Unlike the star system (ratings based upon???), a person would know at a glance who the real stars of this site are.

I've met plenty of "senior climbers" who didn't know their ass from a clove hitch.

On other sites of which I am a member, the "senior" designation is a sign of respect. As a n00b, I don't know what the standard should be. What do you suggest?

How can I tell at a glance who is an expert and who is a poser when the star system is used to one star someone for being a "jerk". As an adult I can decide for myself if someone's a jerk, and I really don't care who likes who. How do I separate the good from the bad?

Perhaps you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. You're putting FAR TOO MUCH faith in information gathered on the internet.


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jomagam wrote:
spikeddem wrote:


Well, if someone has more than 500 posts, their advice is probably decent. To further it down, decent grammar and mechanics also suggest that the advice was at least okay. Rarely do we see posts that have excessive amounts of ellipses and also contain good advice. Lots of ellipses generally suggest that these people are just randomly searching their brains for bits and piece of information between thoughts.

Along the lines of "excess," excessive bolding--especially of random blocks of text--suggest you may be reading a page from the book of Enigma. If you see this, you may want to turn off your monitor, douse the computer in gasoline, and light it on fire.

Enigma has way over 500 posts, so you pretty much killed your original point.
Hence the narrowing it down--Jesus.


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beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

In the other recent S&F thread, an agreement was made that we would work to reduce the number of personal attacks - in all directions. No, we're not going to slog back through the archives and clean things up, but from here on in it's time to tone it down.

Argue the point, not the person.


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blondgecko wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

In the other recent S&F thread, an agreement was made that we would work to reduce the number of personal attacks - in all directions. No, we're not going to slog back through the archives and clean things up, but from here on in it's time to tone it down.

Argue the point, not the person.


The point was that the user in question gets 1-starred because he acts like a [censored]. This is not an attack, but rather a statement of fact and in fact is the point at the very center of the discussion.

Following from this, if this is indeed the new policy I trust a quick search won't turn up any other recent posts where one user called another something unpleasant? Hmmm? Because if it does, it doesn't put you all in a very good light.


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beetlebug wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

In the other recent S&F thread, an agreement was made that we would work to reduce the number of personal attacks - in all directions. No, we're not going to slog back through the archives and clean things up, but from here on in it's time to tone it down.

Argue the point, not the person.


The point was that the user in question gets 1-starred because he acts like a [censored]. This is not an attack, but rather a statement of fact and in fact is the point at the very center of the discussion.

Following from this, if this is indeed the new policy I trust a quick search won't turn up any other recent posts where one user called another something unpleasant? Hmmm? Because if it does, it doesn't put you all in a very good light.

That doesn't follow. The mods don't constantly monitor every thread - given that we're all volunteers with day jobs and lives that's pretty much impossible. There's a certain amount of reliance on the users to report problems. So, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you find something. If you do, I encourage you to try out the handy-dandy new "report this post" function.


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It absolutely does follow. The post was not an attack, but rather an admonishment to either quit being a [censored] or quit whining about getting bad post ratings. It was no worse that what the user in question dishes out, even since the new policy was put on place.

As for others getting away with similar behavior, either you moderate everyone the same or you play favorites. At the moment you're doing the latter for someone well deserving of a bit of what he's sown.

BTW, I fully expect these to be hid ASAP.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2461257#2461257
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2461400#2461400
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blondgecko wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

In the other recent S&F thread, an agreement was made that we would work to reduce the number of personal attacks - in all directions. No, we're not going to slog back through the archives and clean things up, but from here on in it's time to tone it down.

Argue the point, not the person.


The point was that the user in question gets 1-starred because he acts like a [censored]. This is not an attack, but rather a statement of fact and in fact is the point at the very center of the discussion.

Following from this, if this is indeed the new policy I trust a quick search won't turn up any other recent posts where one user called another something unpleasant? Hmmm? Because if it does, it doesn't put you all in a very good light.

That doesn't follow. The mods don't constantly monitor every thread - given that we're all volunteers with day jobs and lives that's pretty much impossible. There's a certain amount of reliance on the users to report problems. So, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you find something. If you do, I encourage you to try out the handy-dandy new "report this post" function.


Plus, the points in your post were hashed out ad nauseum in this thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/...d;page=unread#unread. Since then, the user in question has been posting valid comments in keeping with the TOS and adding valuable content in keeping with his expertise and experience. At this point there is no reason to pile on and beat a dead horse.

As for other cases, in moderating a climbing site there is a thin line between a personal attack and allowing users to converse in the style we are accustomed to; climbers can be a pretty rough and tumble crowd. As Blondgecko said, we can't possibly monitor every post, but we can keep an eye out for trends from particular users that push the limits, particularly with the new "Report this post" feature.

We need to make judgement calls on some of these, and prefer the users to self moderate if possible. You may not agree with all moderator actions, but we do try to be consistant in dealing with potentially offending posts.


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Riddle me this then: in what way was LeadZeppelin's post a personal attack rather than allowing climbers converse in the 'rough and tumble' manner they're accustomed to? All he did was tell JT512 to stop being a douchebag. Much worse has and continues to happen here, so why is LeadZeppelin being singled out?


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I want my 5 star post back!


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
I want my 5 star post back!

There ya go.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
I want my 5 star post back!

Don't worry... it still counts. It's being poked at with a stick as we speak.


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Is that why the post count shows a gap between 72 and 75? Interesting. My post still lives!


FREE MY POST!

FREE MY POST!

FREE MY POST!


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blondgecko wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

In the other recent S&F thread, an agreement was made that we would work to reduce the number of personal attacks - in all directions. No, we're not going to slog back through the archives and clean things up, but from here on in it's time to tone it down.

Argue the point, not the person.

Since I missed that memo (although I did get the one on the cover sheet to the TPS reports), do the new rules of engagement count in the campground or can I still call people bat sheet crazy there? (not that I have, just want to know the rulz)

Can I call someone a RNJ in the sloppybox?


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
I see... Habitually abusing other users is fine, but suggesting someone stop being a douchebag while making other quite valid remarks gets your post pulled. WTF. If this is where you're going to draw the line you're headed for trouble.

Kindy reinstate that post (and those that followed), or go through and remove every other post where someone calls someone else an idiot, moron, Nancy, dick, scrot, etc.

In the other recent S&F thread, an agreement was made that we would work to reduce the number of personal attacks - in all directions. No, we're not going to slog back through the archives and clean things up, but from here on in it's time to tone it down.

Argue the point, not the person.

Since I missed that memo (although I did get the one on the cover sheet to the TPS reports), do the new rules of engagement count in the campground or can I still call people bat sheet crazy there? (not that I have, just want to know the rulz)

Can I call someone a RNJ in the sloppybox?

Green forums are still pretty much "enter at your own risk."


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beetlebug wrote:
It absolutely does follow. The post was not an attack, but rather an admonishment to either quit being a [censored] or quit whining about getting bad post ratings. It was no worse that what the user in question dishes out, even since the new policy was put on place.

As for others getting away with similar behavior, either you moderate everyone the same or you play favorites. At the moment you're doing the latter for someone well deserving of a bit of what he's sown.

BTW, I fully expect these to be hid ASAP.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2461257#2461257
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2461400#2461400
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2464750#2464750
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2463857#2463857
 

Thank you for your feedback. If you care to look, I think you'll find that your reports have been dealt with.


In a more general sense, please try to keep some perspective. This forum is a free service, with moderation handled by part-time, unpaid volunteers. If you're the kind of person who expects perfection, you're guaranteed to find your experience here extremely disappointing.


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In reply to:
Thank you for your feedback. If you care to look, I think you'll find that your reports have been dealt with.

The first two are still there, so I presume you mean that kind of response is allowable?


In reply to:
In a more general sense, please try to keep some perspective. This forum is a free service, with moderation handled by part-time, unpaid volunteers. If you're the kind of person who expects perfection, you're guaranteed to find your experience here extremely disappointing.

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the apparent willingness to not apply the standards of conduct equally across the userbase.  Allowing rough and tumble discourse except when directed at JT512 is neither proper nor acceptable regardless of whether you're a volunteer or not.  I understand this might be rooted in not wanting him provoked, but that's only delaying the inevitable.  


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beetlebug wrote:
 
In reply to:
Thank you for your feedback. If you care to look, I think you'll find that your reports have been dealt with.

The first two are still there, so I presume you mean that kind of response is allowable?


In reply to:
In a more general sense, please try to keep some perspective. This forum is a free service, with moderation handled by part-time, unpaid volunteers. If you're the kind of person who expects perfection, you're guaranteed to find your experience here extremely disappointing.

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the apparent willingness to not apply the standards of conduct equally across the userbase.  Allowing rough and tumble discourse except when directed at JT512 is neither proper nor acceptable regardless of whether you're a volunteer or not.  I understand this might be rooted in not wanting him provoked, but that's only delaying the inevitable.  

You seem to be arguing a bit of a false dichotomy here. Either anything goes, or we apply a mindless zero-tolerance policy of the sort that leads to kids being expelled from school for bringing in a 1" plastic toy gun.

The reality is far more grey than that. Look at it this way:

A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

A post that contains a particularly nasty personal attack will usually be hidden, no matter what other content the post has (if the content is useful, we may for example ask the poster to self-edit the offending bit out).

A post that contains something along the lines of "you're an idiot" or "you're a douche" as a throwaway line in an otherwise useful point will probably be ignored as the "rough and tumble" as edge put it.

A post like the one in this thread, that's a page long and directed entirely at the character of one particular user, continuing a topic that's been flogged to death, buried, dug back up, flogged again and re-buried under 6 feet of concrete... yeah, you bet your ass that's going to go.

There's always going to be judgement calls - and therefore, there's always going to be some calls you disagree with. That's just life.





Oh, and for the record, despite your earlier claim, that post was the only one hidden. There were no responses to it, substantive or otherwise.


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blondgecko wrote:
A post that contains something along the lines of "you're an idiot" or "you're a douche" as a throwaway line in an otherwise useful point will probably be ignored as the "rough and tumble" as edge put it.

I feel that this is the category in which my post to beetledung should have been classified.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
A post that contains something along the lines of "you're an idiot" or "you're a douche" as a throwaway line in an otherwise useful point will probably be ignored as the "rough and tumble" as edge put it.

I feel that this is the category in which my post to beetledung should have been classified.

since I didn't see it can you summarize it for me?

I'll give it give stars in advance.


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blondgecko wrote:
A post like the one in this thread, that's a page long and directed entirely at the character of one particular user, continuing a topic that's been flogged to death, buried, dug back up, flogged again and re-buried under 6 feet of concrete... yeah, you bet your ass that's going to go.
 
So no more flogging dead horses then?  I for one will be happy to see the end of the which shoe / which rope threads.  They're quite tiresome.
 
blondgecko wrote:
A post that contains something along the lines of "you're an idiot" or "you're a douche" as a throwaway line in an otherwise useful point will probably be ignored as the "rough and tumble" as edge put it.
 
AND
 
blondgecko wrote:
There's always going to be judgement calls - and therefore, there's always going to be some calls you disagree with.    That's just life.
 
Quite simply LeadZeppelin was giving JT512 what he deserved in a clear, consise way that was no more rough than passes for standard discourse here on RC.  You all are clearly in the wrong on the decision to remove that post, and I'm not the only one of that opinion.  Scroll back a little ways and you'll find Camhead doing a facepalm over it.  Flogging the horse of not, LeadZeppelin was not attacking JT512 but rather point out the obvious that if JT512 doesn't like getting his posts 1 starred then perhaps he should stop being a douchebag.  Reap what you sow, and frankly he deserves every little bit he gets.  He's a big boy and can handle it without you all protecting him.
 
On a related note, Arrogant_Bastard's post calling me a douchebag should not have been hidden if you go by these rules, yet it was.  It was clearly done in jest and I even responded that I gave it 5 stars. 
 
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Oh, and for the record, despite your earlier claim, that post was the only one hidden.  There were no responses to it, substantive or otherwise.
 
For that, my apologies.  I recalled seeing a post or three about number of posts and thought they were in response to LeadZeppelin and could no longer find them.  I now see they are still there and were a separate discussion.

 
 
As for the 2 links I posted earlier, please explain how in http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2461257#2461257 :
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rockforlife- you're an idiot, 'k? 
 
When I released the trap, it put one hell of a dent in the metal trekking pole I was using.  And since the trap measured about 16-18 inches when open, YES, it would have come to just above the top of a boot, so YES, it would have fit over my leg.
 
People were also clearcutting forest, hunting local animals into extinction (elk, eastern red wolf, etc, etc, etc), and breeding with their kin long before I started hiking here... do you support all of those practices, as well?
 
Wait... you're a PRODUCT of at least one of those... nevermind...

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Cheers... and go f*ck yourselves, 'k?
 
fits with the attack the idea, not the person / allowable rough and tumble discourse rules?  First he calls one user an idiot and accuses him of being inbred then tells everyone in the thread to fuck off....  This is clearly well beyond what LeadZeppelin posted in regards to JT512, yet this is the one you all chose to allow to remain.
 
As Camhead said so eloquently, <facepalm>.


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beetlebug,

Your point is noted. We (the moderators) have explained our actions, and we're not going to let it drag out ad infinitum in this thread.

In future, kindly open separate thread in the suggestions and feedback forum if you want to provide feedback about moderator actions.

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Btw, we HAD a perfectly good system of trophies and poo. If it's going to be changed, change it back to that.

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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh


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ceebo wrote:
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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.


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blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Perhaps in America - but certainly not here in Australia.


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blondgecko wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Perhaps in America - but certainly not here in Australia.
...or New Zealand.
Just to confuse things more...while in NZ, I was having sex with my "partner". Wink


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blondgecko wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Perhaps in America - but certainly not here in Australia.

Yeah, if that wuz the case, Australia would be full of sluts


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kachoong wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Perhaps in America - but certainly not here in Australia.

Yeah, if that wuz the case, Australia would be full of sluts

There is no need to lob softballs in this forum.


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jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay
In reply to:
[Dante and Randal are working in Ye Olde Quick Stoppe in England.]
Customer: Pack of fags.
Randal: You're a fag!
Customer: It's a cigarette, mate.
Randal: I'm not your mate, fag!
[Randal jumps over counter and tackles the customer.]
Dante: It wasn't until years later that we found out what "fag" really means. Right, mate?
Randal: You're a fag!
Dante: N-no, it's a cigarette!
Randal: You're a cigarette!

That being said, I think Jay is more "critical" when it comes to advice given out by others--which is good--not so much when people ask "dumb" questions.


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kachoong wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Perhaps in America - but certainly not here in Australia.

Yeah, if that wuz the case, Australia would be full of sluts

Weren't you just saying that you'd only been back to AUS for an hour or two and you already scored your first meatpie?


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jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Getting busy with a man's fanny to most English speakers, by definition is impossible.

Perhaps you should define English.


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ceebo wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Getting busy with a man's fanny to most English speakers, by definition is impossible.

Perhaps you should define English.

If by the possessive you imply ownership of his mate's parts, then it is not impossible at all.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ceebo wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Getting busy with a man's fanny to most English speakers, by definition is impossible.

Perhaps you should define English.

If by the possessive you imply ownership of his mate's parts, then it is not impossible at all.

I'm not sure you understand what he means.


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kachoong wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ceebo wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Getting busy with a man's fanny to most English speakers, by definition is impossible.

Perhaps you should define English.

If by the possessive you imply ownership of his mate's parts, then it is not impossible at all.

I'm not sure you understand what he means.

Please assume I do.


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kachoong wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ceebo wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Getting busy with a man's fanny to most English speakers, by definition is impossible.

Perhaps you should define English.

If by the possessive you imply ownership of his mate's parts, then it is not impossible at all.

I'm not sure you understand what he means.

Fixied. And Woo!


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
kachoong wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ceebo wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Getting busy with a man's fanny to most English speakers, by definition is impossible.

Perhaps you should define English.

If by the possessive you imply ownership of his mate's parts, then it is not impossible at all.

I'm not sure you understand what he means.

Please assume I do.

Mad


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

Getting busy with a man's fanny to most English speakers, by definition is impossible.

Perhaps you should define English.

If by the possessive you imply ownership of his mate's parts, then it is not impossible at all.

I'm not sure you understand what he means.

Please assume I do.

Mad

Your down with OPP.


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jt512 wrote:
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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

I'm late, but this is completely false.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
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A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

I'm late, but this is completely false.

You are of course taking into consideration that most engrish speakers are in China.

That, and since you are late, you're not his first mate. And since you are the fourth one you are not a prime mate either.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
jt512 wrote:
blondgecko wrote:
ceebo wrote:
In reply to:
A post that consists in its entirety of a personal attack will almost certainly be hidden - unless, in context, it's obvious that it's harmless ribbing between friends.

At some point, while lining them up to knock them down.. each person unknowingly signed his friendship form?. In that case, HI M8!.

Mostly their are good topics at RC, and people giving their opinions, even if wrong. But every time he steps in he has to make it ALL personal. As a result the topic from their on out falls apart.. at least until they give up and let him have his childish last word.

Every 10 topics he destroys that could have generated countless more debate and info.. he makes one fucking post about how to eat well?. And you think that is worth putting up with the bs he dishes out daily?.

How many people do you think would like to post a question, but decide not too because they anticipate the likes of jay ( And a few others) will completely rip them apart. Sounds counter productive to the purpose of this place to me.

From a M8 to a M8, you are a joke! Laugh

Speaking of going off topic and making things personal... physician, heal thyself.

As for the sentence of mine you quoted, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I would just like to point out—in a completely non-judgmental manner—that to most English speakers, people who are "mates," by definition, are people who have sex with each other.

That said, carry on (so to speak).

Jay

I'm late, but this is completely false.

You are of course taking into consideration that most engrish speakers are in China.

That, and since you are late, you're not his first mate. And since you are the fourth one you are not a prime mate either.
I'm taking into account that most english speakers, including those in North America who primarily use the word "mate" in a sexual context, realize that most of the English-speaking countries primarily use the word in a completely non-sexual manner. And regardless of how informal that use may be, one will still find that informal use in the dictionary.

Now, whether or not he meant to imply that a ship's first mate may be the top sexual interest of the crew is completely up for debate.


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Anonymous post ratings do not work, and the system should either be changed such that raters are held publicly accountable for their ratings, or post ratings should be discontinued altogether.

Here I posted a link to a professional-quality video of two climbers doing one of the most famous and infamous routes of all time: the Bachar–Yerian—and it gets three votes, all one-star.

Enough is enough. Either hold people publicly accountable for their post ratings, or do away with post ratings altogether. The current system does not work.

Jay
Its pretty easy to remove the rating system. Just KillFile it. Or more specifically, Ad-Block Plus it away. Here is the new improved version of rc.com:



Problem solved.

So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly


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So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

This post from you is amusing, given how much time you spent one-starring adatesman once upon a time.


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mojomonkey wrote:
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So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

This post from you is amusing, given how much time you spent one-starring adatesman once upon a time.
I was one staring adatesman? No you got it backwards. I dont one star much of anyone, especially now, I have better to things to do. He on the other hand spent days going through every single post I ever made and one stared them all. Hows that for nerd rage? Kind of a waste of his time considering my browser doesent even load the stars anymore...


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USnavy wrote:
Its pretty easy to remove the rating system. Just KillFile it. Or more specifically, Ad-Block Plus it away. Here is the new improved version of rc.com:


Problem solved.

So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

The point of the star rating is to rate a post based on it's validity, not to stroke your personal ego. You can pull an ostrich move and hide your head in the sand, but virtually all of your posts get one starred and it alerts everyone else reading it to the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are dangerous to take any sort of advice from.


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TonyB3 wrote:
USnavy wrote:
Its pretty easy to remove the rating system. Just KillFile it. Or more specifically, Ad-Block Plus it away. Here is the new improved version of rc.com:


Problem solved.

So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

The point of the star rating is to rate a post based on it's validity, not to stroke your personal ego. You can pull an ostrich move and hide your head in the sand, but virtually all of your posts get one starred and it alerts everyone else reading it to the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are dangerous to take any sort of advice from.

Bullshit. If the point is to rate posts based on the post's validity (and it is), not the user's popularity, then blanket 1-starring of anybody's posts is thoroughly counterproductive. I just saw one of usnavy's posts in another thread that was spot on... with one star.


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j_ung wrote:
TonyB3 wrote:
USnavy wrote:
Its pretty easy to remove the rating system. Just KillFile it. Or more specifically, Ad-Block Plus it away. Here is the new improved version of rc.com:


Problem solved.

So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

The point of the star rating is to rate a post based on it's validity, not to stroke your personal ego. You can pull an ostrich move and hide your head in the sand, but virtually all of your posts get one starred and it alerts everyone else reading it to the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are dangerous to take any sort of advice from.

Bullshit. If the point is to rate posts based on the post's validity (and it is), not the user's popularity, then blanket 1-starring of anybody's posts is thoroughly counterproductive. I just saw one of usnavy's posts in another thread that was spot on... with one star.

Yea, but...but....but...TonyB3 just wants everyone to know he thinks USNavy and JT512 are big mean dummy heads. What good is a star system if it isn't used for this?

Seriously though, I see lots of great posts 1 starred. USNavy, JT512, Curt, and Lena Chita are all perpetually 1 starred. I don't value USNavy's opinion with those others, but the others are all quite high in my esteem. The system is worthless because the ratings are populated by fools and noobs.

Of course, I get a lot of 1 star posts as well. Especially when I'm right. Laugh


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shotwell wrote:
j_ung wrote:
TonyB3 wrote:
USnavy wrote:
Its pretty easy to remove the rating system. Just KillFile it. Or more specifically, Ad-Block Plus it away. Here is the new improved version of rc.com:


Problem solved.

So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

The point of the star rating is to rate a post based on it's validity, not to stroke your personal ego. You can pull an ostrich move and hide your head in the sand, but virtually all of your posts get one starred and it alerts everyone else reading it to the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are dangerous to take any sort of advice from.

Bullshit. If the point is to rate posts based on the post's validity (and it is), not the user's popularity, then blanket 1-starring of anybody's posts is thoroughly counterproductive. I just saw one of usnavy's posts in another thread that was spot on... with one star.

Yea, but...but....but...TonyB3 just wants everyone to know he thinks USNavy and JT512 are big mean dummy heads. What good is a star system if it isn't used for this?

Seriously though, I see lots of great posts 1 starred. USNavy, JT512, Curt, and Lena Chita are all perpetually 1 starred. I don't value USNavy's opinion with those others, but the others are all quite high in my esteem. The system is worthless because the ratings are populated by fools and noobs.

Of course, I get a lot of 1 star posts as well. Especially when I'm right. Laugh

The system should be tweaked so that only users with 10K+ posts can rate other posts. That way only the most experienced folks are doing the rating.


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notapplicable wrote:
shotwell wrote:
j_ung wrote:
TonyB3 wrote:
USnavy wrote:
Its pretty easy to remove the rating system. Just KillFile it. Or more specifically, Ad-Block Plus it away. Here is the new improved version of rc.com:


Problem solved.

So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

The point of the star rating is to rate a post based on it's validity, not to stroke your personal ego. You can pull an ostrich move and hide your head in the sand, but virtually all of your posts get one starred and it alerts everyone else reading it to the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are dangerous to take any sort of advice from.

Bullshit. If the point is to rate posts based on the post's validity (and it is), not the user's popularity, then blanket 1-starring of anybody's posts is thoroughly counterproductive. I just saw one of usnavy's posts in another thread that was spot on... with one star.

Yea, but...but....but...TonyB3 just wants everyone to know he thinks USNavy and JT512 are big mean dummy heads. What good is a star system if it isn't used for this?

Seriously though, I see lots of great posts 1 starred. USNavy, JT512, Curt, and Lena Chita are all perpetually 1 starred. I don't value USNavy's opinion with those others, but the others are all quite high in my esteem. The system is worthless because the ratings are populated by fools and noobs.

Of course, I get a lot of 1 star posts as well. Especially when I'm right. Laugh

The system should be tweaked so that only users with 10K+ posts can rate other posts. That way only the most experienced folks are doing the rating.
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create a new page and therefore a "win". Heck, most of the people over 5k are involved in a high degree of shenanigans.


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USnavy wrote:
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So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

This post from you is amusing, given how much time you spent one-starring adatesman once upon a time.
I was one staring adatesman? No you got it backwards. I dont one star much of anyone, especially now, I have better to things to do

Dontcha just hate it when you're caught in a lie? From another thread where you pretty much admitted it when called out on it:

USnavy wrote:
lol adatesman is complaining that I am one staring his posts too much? The real question is why in all hell do you care? Its the Internet dude


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USnavy wrote:
mojomonkey wrote:
USnavy wrote:
So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

This post from you is amusing, given how much time you spent one-starring adatesman once upon a time.
I was one staring adatesman? No you got it backwards. I dont one star much of anyone, especially now, I have better to things to do. He on the other hand spent days going through every single post I ever made and one stared them all. Hows that for nerd rage? Kind of a waste of his time considering my browser doesent even load the stars anymore...

No, but you probably use your troll account "thenose" to one star anyone who reveals you as the poser you are. http://www.rockclimbing.com/...gi?username=thenose;


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TonyB3 wrote:
USnavy wrote:
mojomonkey wrote:
USnavy wrote:
So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

This post from you is amusing, given how much time you spent one-starring adatesman once upon a time.
I was one staring adatesman? No you got it backwards. I dont one star much of anyone, especially now, I have better to things to do. He on the other hand spent days going through every single post I ever made and one stared them all. Hows that for nerd rage? Kind of a waste of his time considering my browser doesent even load the stars anymore...

No, but you probably use your troll account "thenose" to one star anyone who reveals you as the poser you are. http://www.rockclimbing.com/...gi?username=thenose;

Only one troll account here? Weird. Last I heard he's got at least 4 accounts on Supertopo. Lately he's been using 20_kn, but had been audiobahn_1000, spl_tech and USnavy at various, and often overlapping, times.


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beetlebug wrote:
TonyB3 wrote:
USnavy wrote:
mojomonkey wrote:
USnavy wrote:
So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

This post from you is amusing, given how much time you spent one-starring adatesman once upon a time.
I was one staring adatesman? No you got it backwards. I dont one star much of anyone, especially now, I have better to things to do. He on the other hand spent days going through every single post I ever made and one stared them all. Hows that for nerd rage? Kind of a waste of his time considering my browser doesent even load the stars anymore...

No, but you probably use your troll account "thenose" to one star anyone who reveals you as the poser you are. http://www.rockclimbing.com/...gi?username=thenose;

Only one troll account here? Weird. Last I heard he's got at least 4 accounts on Supertopo. Lately he's been using 20_kn, but had been audiobahn_1000, spl_tech and USnavy at various, and often overlapping, times.
Says you? You have made 15 posts in the last year and not a single one of them has anything to do with climbing... If ever a troll existed... It is crystal clear your username is just some secondary troll account for someone else. Anyway, this account and your other, TonyB3, can live in KillFile land from here on out.


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USnavy wrote:
beetlebug wrote:
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So the haters that one star you just to one star you, they are wasting their time, you wont even see their vote. Sly

This post from you is amusing, given how much time you spent one-starring adatesman once upon a time.
I was one staring adatesman? No you got it backwards. I dont one star much of anyone, especially now, I have better to things to do. He on the other hand spent days going through every single post I ever made and one stared them all. Hows that for nerd rage? Kind of a waste of his time considering my browser doesent even load the stars anymore...

No, but you probably use your troll account "thenose" to one star anyone who reveals you as the poser you are. http://www.rockclimbing.com/...gi?username=thenose;

Only one troll account here? Weird. Last I heard he's got at least 4 accounts on Supertopo. Lately he's been using 20_kn, but had been audiobahn_1000, spl_tech and USnavy at various, and often overlapping, times.
Says you? You have made 15 posts in the last year and not a single one of them has anything to do with climbing... If ever a troll existed... It is crystal clear your username is just some secondary troll account for someone else. Anyway, this account and your other, TonyB3, can live in KillFile land from here on out.

Says the fact that there are often identical threads from those users here on RC, all of which were yours. Plus searching for threads for one of those users usually turns up threads for the others, and there really aren't all that many people giving out advice on where to climb in Hawaii in one thread while asking noob questions about preparing for their upcoming Yos trip in another. If it walks like a duck and quacks....

Edit: looks like I have the usernames a bit wrong... He's "20_kn", "audiobahn1000", and "spl tech" on Supertopo.


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US Navy may be many things, but a poser he is not. He climbs, a lot, and at a higher level than most of the posters on this site. He also posts a lot of questionable advise and some completely erroneous information. He gets hammered for that, and rightly so. However, to call him a poser identifies you as either extremely biased or extremely ignorant.

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bettle, why do you have so much animosity towards USN? Did he make fun of you on your Facebook page or disagree with something you posted under your other account? Your writing style looks very familiar, like something I saw in the lab...


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US Navy may be many things, but a poser he is not. He climbs, a lot, and at a higher level than most of the posters on this site. He also posts a lot of questionable advise and some completely erroneous information. He gets hammered for that, and rightly so. However, to call him a poser identifies you as either extremely biased or extremely ignorant.

Questionable climbing abilities notwithstanding, what else would you call someone who buys an expensive piece of testing equipment that he has no idea how to use, chart, or process data from, then posts results having no controls, standards, or relevance on three different forums?

Gear manufacturers and international standards committees have paid professionals to assure the safety of accepted gear and practices, and USN's barrage of threads are confusing and unneccesary. He only puts them up to try and pass himself off as some kind of "expert," then bumps them incessantly to keep them on the front page. n00bs respond because by definition they too are clueless. Seasoned climbers respond because his tests are full of holes. Engineers and experts in this sort of testing have noticeably avoided commenting, preferring to avoid the whole shit show.

Add to all that his posting history as "thenose." http://www.rockclimbing.com/...e;sb=post_time;mh=25

I call that a poser.


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...what else would you call someone who buys an expensive piece of testing equipment that he has no idea how to use, chart, or process data from, then posts results having no controls, standards, or relevance?

I would call that person a typical poster in "The Lab." In its heyday a few years ago, The Lab was filled with questionable analysis and a few prolific but unqualified users trying to pass themselves off as experts and industry insiders. All USN needs is some elaborate formatting that includes bolding and colored text and he would be right at home.

IMO, USN posting this stuff is not a bad thing. He is going to get hammered for his errors and incorrect analysis, and that is not a bad thing either.

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TonyB3, you seem to have a lot of animosity towards USN. Your 26 posts are very interesting. Could it be that you have posted here before under another user name or two. You seem very similar to Beetle.


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ncrockclimber wrote:
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...what else would you call someone who buys an expensive piece of testing equipment that he has no idea how to use, chart, or process data from, then posts results having no controls, standards, or relevance?

IMO, USN posting this stuff is not a bad thing. He is going to get hammered for his errors and incorrect analysis, and that is not a bad thing either.
Incorrect analysis of what? The only study I have conducted so far that attempts to address any type of concept with any depth is the threaded webbing test, which I updated yesterday. And even at that, it’s not really a thesis; it’s an informal test of threaded webbing, and it's not done yet. In the future I am going to continue to try to avoid making any thesis statement in any thread, I am simply going to say “this is what I did, this is how I did it, here are the results.” It is up to the reader to reach his or her own conclusion.

As far as BS tests in the Lab go, I haven't really seen anyone try to present a properly formatted and executed study of any climbing concept. In fact, I havent even seen a manufacturer do that. Most of the studies on DMM and BD's site are written and executed in a manner similar to the tests published on this website. Most of the people in the Lab just play around with some gear, test some concepts, and post the results. I dont see whats wrong with that, they are not attempting to pass themselves off as MIT grad students conducting industry changing research on an extremely esoteric topic. They are just simply saying, "here is the data, here is the results." Sure, there are some guys in there attempting to make some world changing statement towards some concept they tested in their garage, but most dont.


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USnavy wrote:
ncrockclimber wrote:
TonyB3 wrote:

...what else would you call someone who buys an expensive piece of testing equipment that he has no idea how to use, chart, or process data from, then posts results having no controls, standards, or relevance?

IMO, USN posting this stuff is not a bad thing. He is going to get hammered for his errors and incorrect analysis, and that is not a bad thing either.
Incorrect analysis of what? The only study I have conducted so far that attempts to address any type of concept with any depth is the threaded webbing test, which I updated yesterday. And even at that, it’s not really a thesis; it’s an informal test of threaded webbing, and it's not done yet. In the future I am going to continue to try to avoid making any thesis statement in any thread, I am simply going to say “this is what I did, this is how I did it, here are the results.” It is up to the reader to reach his or her own conclusion.

As far as BS tests in the Lab go, I haven't really seen anyone try to present a properly formatted and executed study of any climbing concept. In fact, I havent even seen a manufacturer do that. Most of the studies on DMM and BD's site are written and executed in a manner similar to the tests published on this website. Most of the people in the Lab just play around with some gear, test some concepts, and post the results. I dont see whats wrong with that, they are not attempting to pass themselves off as MIT grad students conducting industry changing research on an extremely esoteric topic. They are just simply saying, "here is the data, here is the results." Sure, there are some guys in there attempting to make some world changing statement towards some concept they tested in their garage, but most dont.

Which is exactly what the Lab was intended for.


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j_ung wrote:
USnavy wrote:
ncrockclimber wrote:
TonyB3 wrote:

...what else would you call someone who buys an expensive piece of testing equipment that he has no idea how to use, chart, or process data from, then posts results having no controls, standards, or relevance?

IMO, USN posting this stuff is not a bad thing. He is going to get hammered for his errors and incorrect analysis, and that is not a bad thing either.
Incorrect analysis of what? The only study I have conducted so far that attempts to address any type of concept with any depth is the threaded webbing test, which I updated yesterday. And even at that, it’s not really a thesis; it’s an informal test of threaded webbing, and it's not done yet. In the future I am going to continue to try to avoid making any thesis statement in any thread, I am simply going to say “this is what I did, this is how I did it, here are the results.” It is up to the reader to reach his or her own conclusion.

As far as BS tests in the Lab go, I haven't really seen anyone try to present a properly formatted and executed study of any climbing concept. In fact, I havent even seen a manufacturer do that. Most of the studies on DMM and BD's site are written and executed in a manner similar to the tests published on this website. Most of the people in the Lab just play around with some gear, test some concepts, and post the results. I dont see whats wrong with that, they are not attempting to pass themselves off as MIT grad students conducting industry changing research on an extremely esoteric topic. They are just simply saying, "here is the data, here is the results." Sure, there are some guys in there attempting to make some world changing statement towards some concept they tested in their garage, but most dont.

Which is exactly what the Lab was intended for.

Not a single one of USN's "tests" were posted in the Lab.

They did appear on the Knob, MP, and the Taco in a full on "look at me" assault.


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