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Toast_in_the_Machine


Nov 29, 2010, 5:17 PM
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hey guys so i've been bouldering for 8 months and have improved a hell of alot and put on some muscle.. But i am 6 foot and weigh only 71kg's and it's starting to annoy me looking so thin.. I know that climbing is all about being thin but i climb to be fit so, i was wondering, if i get on a diet similar to a body builder, will i put on muscle or am i just looking at fat? I know that normal climbing is about endurance mainly and endurance muscles aren't big but i boulder and do alot of dyno's and normally power moves will build muscle.. And have seen lots of good climbers that don't just look anorexic..
So is there anyone on here that looks good, just from climbing or am i going to have to go to the gym as well? I'd love a ryan reynolds style build, roughly.. Will start going to the gym too if i can't put much muscle on climbing

You'll need to hit the regular gym too. At the very least you should be doing it for antagonistic muscles (e.g. chest, triceps, legs, etc) to prevent injury. But since it sounds like your goals are to gain muscle while staying lean, a "body builder's" diet combined with strength training (e.g. weights, cables, circuits, etc) would be an effective way of achieving your goals.

Having done this same plan last winter, I'll caution you to be careful of elbows, mine didn't enjoy the climbing + weight lifting regimen at first. Eventually they came around, but I had to ease into it over the course of several weeks. I still have to be careful with them during heavy climbing periods, as the combo of climbing and chest workouts (dumbbell bench press especially) will sore them up for days.

Yeh i actually quit boxing (did it for 3 years) to take up climbing.. my shoulders were really starting to struggle with all the extra training and i was overboxing. I have done plenty of cutting and bulking before so the diet part i pretty much have down pat, routinely used to put on a heap then cut like crazy just before a fight

I will start at the gym again.. Wasn't sure if growth would be impeded because i'd be working both slow and fast twitch muscle groups, not so sure how that works.

I'll get on a little half hour 3 day split and start a bulking diet again and see how i go

Well, the two periods are more effective than skipping a period.. I know they can be a pain, and when you have low body fat periods do tend to be skipped.. But, overall, skipping the periods can lead to other problems later in life..

Or it could be you have an answer in mind and are looking for validation that what you think is right is right.


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Nov 29, 2010, 5:54 PM
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xaniel2000 wrote:
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why are you concerned about grammar u toss pot

The question is, you fucking idiot, why don't you?

Jay

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why aren't you

Oops.


codral


Nov 29, 2010, 6:08 PM
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styndall wrote:
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
styndall wrote:
codral wrote:
why are you concerned about grammar u toss pot

Did you seriously call somebody a tosspot? Are you somehow posting from the year 1840?

If you note the location of the OP you will have your answer.


Toss-pot is still popular here in the UK as well, as is 'Tosser' and it's equivalent 'Wanker'.
All timeless classics.

Hmmm.... I checked the official RC.com to UK speak and Toss-pot wasn't there:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=2074040#2074040

So I think you made those terms up.

And you are always there to stick up for this guy, are u like mates in real life and you've got this little thing going where you back each other up on forums, probably on a few different accounts, so it looks like someones agreeing with you at all times

There are actually only two people using these forums, and one of them is you.

too cryptic for me mate


Toast_in_the_Machine


Nov 29, 2010, 6:30 PM
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codral wrote:
styndall wrote:
codral wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
serpico wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
styndall wrote:
codral wrote:
why are you concerned about grammar u toss pot

Did you seriously call somebody a tosspot? Are you somehow posting from the year 1840?

If you note the location of the OP you will have your answer.


Toss-pot is still popular here in the UK as well, as is 'Tosser' and it's equivalent 'Wanker'.
All timeless classics.

Hmmm.... I checked the official RC.com to UK speak and Toss-pot wasn't there:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=2074040#2074040

So I think you made those terms up.

And you are always there to stick up for this guy, are u like mates in real life and you've got this little thing going where you back each other up on forums, probably on a few different accounts, so it looks like someones agreeing with you at all times

There are actually only two people using these forums, and one of them is you.

too cryptic for me mate

I am Sparticus styndall


xaniel2000


Nov 30, 2010, 6:42 AM
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codral wrote:
xaniel2000 wrote:
codral wrote:
hey guys so i've been bouldering for 8 months and have improved a hell of alot and put on some muscle.. But i am 6 foot and weigh only 71kg's and it's starting to annoy me looking so thin.. I know that climbing is all about being thin but i climb to be fit so, i was wondering, if i get on a diet similar to a body builder, will i put on muscle or am i just looking at fat? I know that normal climbing is about endurance mainly and endurance muscles aren't big but i boulder and do alot of dyno's and normally power moves will build muscle.. And have seen lots of good climbers that don't just look anorexic..
So is there anyone on here that looks good, just from climbing or am i going to have to go to the gym as well? I'd love a ryan reynolds style build, roughly.. Will start going to the gym too if i can't put much muscle on climbing

You'll need to hit the regular gym too. At the very least you should be doing it for antagonistic muscles (e.g. chest, triceps, legs, etc) to prevent injury. But since it sounds like your goals are to gain muscle while staying lean, a "body builder's" diet combined with strength training (e.g. weights, cables, circuits, etc) would be an effective way of achieving your goals.

Having done this same plan last winter, I'll caution you to be careful of elbows, mine didn't enjoy the climbing + weight lifting regimen at first. Eventually they came around, but I had to ease into it over the course of several weeks. I still have to be careful with them during heavy climbing periods, as the combo of climbing and chest workouts (dumbbell bench press especially) will sore them up for days.

Yeh i actually quit boxing (did it for 3 years) to take up climbing.. my shoulders were really starting to struggle with all the extra training and i was overboxing. I have done plenty of cutting and bulking before so the diet part i pretty much have down pat, routinely used to put on a heap then cut like crazy just before a fight

I will start at the gym again.. Wasn't sure if growth would be impeded because i'd be working both slow and fast twitch muscle groups, not so sure how that works.

I'll get on a little half hour 3 day split and start a bulking diet again and see how i go

Interesting comment about slow vs fast muscles, I don't know what to make of that but perhaps another forum member does.

I did a "bulk" then "cut" phase in my climbing/fitness training last year, and I can tell you that it worked for me. Although be forewarned, my climbing suffered during the 'bulk' phase, not tremendously, but I was struggling to maintain my max as I gained muscle weight. Once I reached the 'cut' however, my climbing shot up and I surpassed my previous high points.

Having gone thru that sucky 'bulk' phase however, this year I'm planning on a more 'steady-state' approach, basically going to eat a 'cut' diet with carbs. I'm only expecting modest muscle gains but I'm happy where I'm at (for the most part).

Anyway my point is just that the bulk/cut and bodybuilder nutrition is applicable to climbing, albeit there's certainly caveats to be aware of, and it probably isn't the best plan for everyone's goals, unless your goals involve putting on muscle.


jape


Nov 30, 2010, 9:41 AM
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I come from a competitive bodybuilding background and imo, the last thing you want are big, slow muscles. I hit a pretty big plateau about 4 years ago at midrange 5.12s that was really hard to push through. I wasn't super thin (still not) but I really revised everything I was doing in terms of training.

I periodize a la "Rock Prodigy" on this site but don't want to add much bulk. I can watch my forearms get larger during the hypertrophy, but they are "big, dumb" muscles. What I needed to do was train a lot of fast twitch and recruitment.

Part of my training is iso-kinetic stuff I adapted to climbing, which was a huge discovery and imo really helps. I adapted a bunch of stuff from this video...pay attention, I think "RoboQB's" dad is really accurate when he talks about bodybuilders versus athletes

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2009/01/video-of-s-troy-polamalu-iso-kinetic-workout/


But if you just want to get big, lots of strength training, low reps 6-8, and basic exercises like bench, clean and jerk, squat will definitely add bulk. It never did much for my climbing, but OMMV...


justroberto


Nov 30, 2010, 12:37 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
codral wrote:
styndall wrote:
codral wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
serpico wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
styndall wrote:
codral wrote:
why are you concerned about grammar u toss pot

Did you seriously call somebody a tosspot? Are you somehow posting from the year 1840?

If you note the location of the OP you will have your answer.


Toss-pot is still popular here in the UK as well, as is 'Tosser' and it's equivalent 'Wanker'.
All timeless classics.

Hmmm.... I checked the official RC.com to UK speak and Toss-pot wasn't there:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=2074040#2074040

So I think you made those terms up.

And you are always there to stick up for this guy, are u like mates in real life and you've got this little thing going where you back each other up on forums, probably on a few different accounts, so it looks like someones agreeing with you at all times

There are actually only two people using these forums, and one of them is you.

too cryptic for me mate

I am Sparticus styndall
Whatever happened with that Buffy forum with just the one girl?

Are you/me her?


codral


Nov 30, 2010, 11:16 PM
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well one of the reasons a bulk cut cycle works for alot of people is because lots of people don't realise that to put on muscle not only do you need protein but you need a big carb excess to actually do the physical recovery, so when you're on a bulk cycle you're just eating like crazy and it will help alot... I've seen people bulk and never drop it again actually, so it's not something you wanna bail on at the height of ur bulk phase ;P

My understanding was with reps of around 15-20 it's endurance, with about 8-10 is the best to build size and reps of about 3-5 is strength... I'm going to get on a diet i was on last year, 3300 calories, and get back on the protein shakes, will do some weights, just bi's and chest (i don't get much of a chest workout climbing) maybe a little back but my backs already pretty big, will include some leg press for the increased HGH release and see if i can put on about 5-6 kg's of muscle in the next few months. WOuld do more gym but my shoulders can't take it unfortunately

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