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NJSlacker
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hey all
next week will be my first trip out to the Red. Pretty stoked, except for the weather forecast: rain from sunday to wednesday (at least).
veterans of the red: will it be worth the week in the rain? Are there a good amount of moderate climbs that will stay dry?
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lena_chita
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Feb 28, 2011, 10:17 AM
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Really depends. In general, yes, Red is climable in the rain.
But this time of the year, when things are still generally damp from snow melt, I would be more worried about finding dry stuff in the rain.
It also depends on how hard you climb. If you are looking at 5.12s, you would have a pretty good selection. 5.10-- not so much.
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Dirtdart
Feb 28, 2011, 10:56 AM
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It might be worth the trip just for the pizza.
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rtwilli4
Feb 28, 2011, 11:07 AM
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Dirtdart wrote: It might be worth the trip just for the pizza.
Miguel's open in the winter now?
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Lbrombach
Feb 28, 2011, 11:18 AM
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rtwilli4 wrote: Dirtdart wrote: It might be worth the trip just for the pizza. Miguel's open in the winter now?
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lena_chita
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rtwilli4 wrote: Dirtdart wrote: It might be worth the trip just for the pizza. Miguel's open in the winter now?
I think it was already open this past weekend.
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rtwilli4
Feb 28, 2011, 12:16 PM
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Oh wow it's March already?
I guess I wouldn't know since I live closer to the north pole than the equator. England sucks.
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MS1
Feb 28, 2011, 2:18 PM
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NJSlacker wrote: hey all next week will be my first trip out to the Red. Pretty stoked, except for the weather forecast: rain from sunday to wednesday (at least). veterans of the red: will it be worth the week in the rain? Are there a good amount of moderate climbs that will stay dry?
You should be able to make it work. Use the online guidebook and use its filter to see only climbs that stay dry in downpours. I've never been out there quite this early in the season, but in late March I've never run out of things to get on even when it rained all week.
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pdpcardsfan
Feb 28, 2011, 2:57 PM
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Miguels is terrible. slap some cheese on an old shoebox and save yourself the money.
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sungam
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rtwilli4 wrote: Oh wow it's March already? I guess I wouldn't know since I live closer to the north pole than the equator. England sucks.
Are you KIDDING me? It's light past 5 PM now! This is the radness!
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NJSlacker
Mar 1, 2011, 5:49 AM
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MS1 wrote: NJSlacker wrote: hey all next week will be my first trip out to the Red. Pretty stoked, except for the weather forecast: rain from sunday to wednesday (at least). veterans of the red: will it be worth the week in the rain? Are there a good amount of moderate climbs that will stay dry? You should be able to make it work. Use the online guidebook and use its filter to see only climbs that stay dry in downpours. I've never been out there quite this early in the season, but in late March I've never run out of things to get on even when it rained all week.
Thanks for the tip. Yea, I think I'll be able to keep myself busy:http://www.redriverclimbing.com/...type=advanced_search
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pdpcardsfan wrote: Miguels is terrible. slap some cheese on an old shoebox and save yourself the money.
That is crazy talk. Just crazy. Or maybe you just aren't hungry enough. Get after it a little more during the day and that pizza tastes like heaven on earth. Hell, there have been more than a few days after climbing at the red that I might actually have been served a shoebox with cheese and didn't even notice.
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MS1
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pdpcardsfan wrote: Miguels is terrible. slap some cheese on an old shoebox and save yourself the money.
???
If you had dissed the camping or the scene I'd be right there with you. But Miguel's food is fucking awesome. Good breakfast (waffles and burritos), great pizza, rice bowls, etc.
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Lbrombach
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I drive to the Red for Miguels! The fact that there is climbing nearby is just a little bonus.
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edge
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Lbrombach wrote: I drive to the Red for Miguels! The fact that there is climbing nearby is just a little bonus.
I always hear conflicting reports about the pizza, and wonder if the raves are the result of climbers being ravenous scavengers after a day on the rock, or if it holds up on it's own. For example, how would it hold up against NY city pizza and the like?
Same goes for Ale 8 One. I have never sampled either.
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jakedatc
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edge wrote: Lbrombach wrote: I drive to the Red for Miguels! The fact that there is climbing nearby is just a little bonus. I always hear conflicting reports about the pizza, and wonder if the raves are the result of climbers being ravenous scavengers after a day on the rock, or if it holds up on it's own. For example, how would it hold up against NY city pizza and the like? Same goes for Ale 8 One. I have never sampled either.
Miguels pizza is thin crust with not much sauce but good with lots of toppings on it. I like it cuz i don't like a lot of sauce and they put lots of toppings i like on it.
Ale 8 is kind of a you're at the Red so drink some Ale 8.. it's mostly just lemon/lime kinda thing. but tasty.
i also had no issues with the "scene" even though it was packed to the gills last year for the Climb Fest or whatever it is called.
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sungam
Mar 1, 2011, 10:15 AM
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jakedatc wrote: edge wrote: Lbrombach wrote: I drive to the Red for Miguels! The fact that there is climbing nearby is just a little bonus. I always hear conflicting reports about the pizza, and wonder if the raves are the result of climbers being ravenous scavengers after a day on the rock, or if it holds up on it's own. For example, how would it hold up against NY city pizza and the like? Same goes for Ale 8 One. I have never sampled either. Miguels pizza is thin crust with not much sauce but good with lots of toppings on it. I like it cuz i don't like a lot of sauce and they put lots of toppings i like on it. Ale 8 is kind of a you're at the Red so drink some Ale 8.. it's mostly just lemon/lime kinda thing. but tasty. i also had no issues with the "scene" even though it was packed to the gills last year for the Climb Fest or whatever it is called.
I LURVED Ale81. That stuff hit the spot after climbing.
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MS1
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edge wrote: Lbrombach wrote: I drive to the Red for Miguels! The fact that there is climbing nearby is just a little bonus. I always hear conflicting reports about the pizza, and wonder if the raves are the result of climbers being ravenous scavengers after a day on the rock, or if it holds up on it's own. For example, how would it hold up against NY city pizza and the like? Same goes for Ale 8 One. I have never sampled either.
It's a different thing, but it's good even by city standards if you know how to order well. (Note: your choice of toppings is the difference between success and failure.) For rural Kentucky, it's unbelievably good (although both Rose's and Stillwater are also worth a visit while one is in Slade).
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x-elente
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Heya! I'm also making my first trek out to the RRG. Next weekend though, so all of these tips are awesome.
Question: I've got all my own rope, quickdraws, anchor setup etcetc (no rack yet sadly!) but I was wondering two things:
1. How are the sport climbs?
2. If'n im needing a partner is it easy enough to meet people at Miguels?
Cheers!
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sungam
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x-elente wrote: Heya! I'm also making my first trek out to the RRG. Next weekend though, so all of these tips are awesome. Question: I've got all my own rope, quickdraws, anchor setup etcetc (no rack yet sadly!) but I was wondering two things: 1. How are the sport climbs? 2. If'n im needing a partner is it easy enough to meet people at Miguels? Cheers! X
2. Yes, as long as you are not a knob.
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Miguel's tawk? I LOVE this topic?
Pizza is good. I like Pies'nPints at the New better, but Miguel's pizza is awesome as far as fresh ingredients and price goes.
Ale8 One is just soda full of empty calories. I have no idea why climbers are so psyched on it. Yeah, it's local, and everyone else is drinking it, but soda? Really?
The camping scene at Miguels just sucks, and gets worse every year. Crowded, noisy at night, and the most disorganized parking lot I've ever seen. The kitchen facilities are disgusting, since staff gets so overwhelmed on busy weekends, and campers are fucking slobs. The last two years, the major weekend demographic at Miguel's has moved away from even core climbers, and now the bulk of people there are college-outdoor-club types who put on their harnesses in the parking lot before driving off to make wrong turns on the way to Muir Valley.
Most of the bullshit at Miguel's could be fixed if he just upped the camping to $5/night, but he seems to rather focus more on the restaurant, which brings in more money anyway.
End of rant.
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Is there a better place to stay?
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shockabuku wrote: Is there a better place to stay?
It depends on what you are looking for. But yes, there are at least two other "climbers campgrounds" in the area (Lago Linda and Land of the Arches, both nearer Muir Valley/Southern Region), as well as several state park campgrounds, and even dispersed primitive camping in the Northern FS regions.
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NJSlacker
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Hey all. Just got back, and thanks for all the advice.
Despite it raining and snowing most of the week, I had a great time. Spent a lot of time at the Roadside crag and military wall as they kept pretty dry. Had an amazing time
as the topic has changed slightly...
I'm now a huge fan of Miguel's. It's hard to beat $2 camping, $1.50 showers (8 minutes long, more than enough time), covered cooking area, cheap wi-fi, good pizza, and the amazing community that climbers bring.
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NJSlacker wrote: Hey all. Just got back, and thanks for all the advice. Despite it raining and snowing most of the week, I had a great time. Spent a lot of time at the Roadside crag and military wall as they kept pretty dry. Had an amazing time as the topic has changed slightly... I'm now a huge fan of Miguel's. It's hard to beat $2 camping, $1.50 showers (8 minutes long, more than enough time), covered cooking area, cheap wi-fi, good pizza, and the amazing community that climbers bring.
Amazing Community? You better not have been one of those douches that were blabbing on about how drunk they were at 2am on Friday night.
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edge wrote: Lbrombach wrote: I drive to the Red for Miguels! The fact that there is climbing nearby is just a little bonus. I always hear conflicting reports about the pizza, and wonder if the raves are the result of climbers being ravenous scavengers after a day on the rock, or if it holds up on it's own. For example, how would it hold up against NY city pizza and the like? Same goes for Ale 8 One. I have never sampled either.
Ale 8 is weird but strangely addictive. It's kind of like flat ginger ale. I really loved it.
I also thought the food was good, but not the best pizza I've ever had. Great value though.
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camhead wrote: NJSlacker wrote: Hey all. Just got back, and thanks for all the advice. Despite it raining and snowing most of the week, I had a great time. Spent a lot of time at the Roadside crag and military wall as they kept pretty dry. Had an amazing time as the topic has changed slightly... I'm now a huge fan of Miguel's. It's hard to beat $2 camping, $1.50 showers (8 minutes long, more than enough time), covered cooking area, cheap wi-fi, good pizza, and the amazing community that climbers bring. Amazing Community? You better not have been one of those douches that were blabbing on about how drunk they were at 2am on Friday night.
Last Friday night or every Friday night? Seems I've never had a weekend at Miguel's that didn't end up with one of the following happening:
1) Drunk people yelling "I'm SOOOO drunk!"
2) Naked people in the cooking area. (Thank you St. Patrick's Day 2010)
3) Drunk people thinking my tent is their tent.
4) Drunk people thinking that they should yell at their buddy in the next tent for an hour.
5) Being parked in to your parking spot.
Actually, except for 2, all of these happen EVERY TIME I go to Miguel's. Once in the last year was enough. Never again will I camp there.
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I find it interesting that people hate or love some camping areas. As far as the people using the facilities go, how would Miguel's compare to the MUA at the Gunks?
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shotwell wrote: camhead wrote: NJSlacker wrote: Hey all. Just got back, and thanks for all the advice. Despite it raining and snowing most of the week, I had a great time. Spent a lot of time at the Roadside crag and military wall as they kept pretty dry. Had an amazing time as the topic has changed slightly... I'm now a huge fan of Miguel's. It's hard to beat $2 camping, $1.50 showers (8 minutes long, more than enough time), covered cooking area, cheap wi-fi, good pizza, and the amazing community that climbers bring. Amazing Community? You better not have been one of those douches that were blabbing on about how drunk they were at 2am on Friday night. Last Friday night or every Friday night? Seems I've never had a weekend at Miguel's that didn't end up with one of the following happening: 1) Drunk people yelling "I'm SOOOO drunk!" 2) Naked people in the cooking area. (Thank you St. Patrick's Day 2010) 3) Drunk people thinking my tent is their tent. 4) Drunk people thinking that they should yell at their buddy in the next tent for an hour. 5) Being parked in to your parking spot. Actually, except for 2, all of these happen EVERY TIME I go to Miguel's. Once in the last year was enough. Never again will I camp there.
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camhead wrote: Most of the bullshit at Miguel's could be fixed if he just upped the camping to $5/night, but he seems to rather focus more on the restaurant, which brings in more money anyway. End of rant.
FUCK that. Five bucks a night instead of two? If you wanna spend five bucks a night to camp come out to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch, they will be more than happy to take your $5 to camp, as well as $5 to climb - and for the record, I got WAY more sleep at Miguel's than I ever have at $5 Horseshoe Canyon.
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jolery wrote: camhead wrote: Most of the bullshit at Miguel's could be fixed if he just upped the camping to $5/night, but he seems to rather focus more on the restaurant, which brings in more money anyway. End of rant. FUCK that. Five bucks a night instead of two? If you wanna spend five bucks a night to camp come out to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch, they will be more than happy to take your $5 to camp, as well as $5 to climb - and for the record, I got WAY more sleep at Miguel's than I ever have at $5 Horseshoe Canyon.
So, if it went up to $5/night, you would not come to Miguel's?
Thanks, you just proved my point.
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camhead wrote: jolery wrote: camhead wrote: Most of the bullshit at Miguel's could be fixed if he just upped the camping to $5/night, but he seems to rather focus more on the restaurant, which brings in more money anyway. End of rant. FUCK that. Five bucks a night instead of two? If you wanna spend five bucks a night to camp come out to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch, they will be more than happy to take your $5 to camp, as well as $5 to climb - and for the record, I got WAY more sleep at Miguel's than I ever have at $5 Horseshoe Canyon. So, if it went up to $5/night, you would not come to Miguel's? Thanks, you just proved my point.
Nice! I like it - actually not applicable though 'cause I'm not the one creating chaos, doing stupid shit or annoying others.
But by all means please go to Horseshoe - they need your business - and your $5.
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jolery wrote: camhead wrote: jolery wrote: camhead wrote: Most of the bullshit at Miguel's could be fixed if he just upped the camping to $5/night, but he seems to rather focus more on the restaurant, which brings in more money anyway. End of rant. FUCK that. Five bucks a night instead of two? If you wanna spend five bucks a night to camp come out to Horseshoe Canyon Ranch, they will be more than happy to take your $5 to camp, as well as $5 to climb - and for the record, I got WAY more sleep at Miguel's than I ever have at $5 Horseshoe Canyon. So, if it went up to $5/night, you would not come to Miguel's? Thanks, you just proved my point. Nice! I like it - actually not applicable though 'cause I'm not the one creating chaos, doing stupid shit or annoying others. But by all means please go to Horseshoe - they need your business - and your $5.
Been there, quite a bit when I used to live in TX.
it's a cool place.
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