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wwalt822


Mar 17, 2011, 11:03 AM
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One of the reasons I used to like the climbing community was that it was made up of mostly good people. Reliably decent and often interesting individuals. Its still mostly true when I get out beyond the gym like areas. Someone who might not have a climbing specific training background offers some thoughts on a particular type of training and you think that's a good reason to give them a hard time? Who are you people?
As to different types of strength: I have wondered if the tendentious I have had at times wasn't due in part to training that was too climbing specific. You can always learn something from other people if you are willing to be a little bit open. Using some minor feeling you have of being "in" a group because you know some basics about it to justify being rude to someone in order to bolster your own self esteem in some way is pretty pathetic. The climbing community I have always respected so much has always valued decency as a person over any particular set of climbing skills or expertise.

Gorilla gripper is obviously full of shit and deserves all of the flaming he has gotten. He isn't even a climber so why would he assume that he can help climbers without first doing a lot of research. It takes a special kind of person to try to go into an area where they have no expertise and then claim to be able to save our lives with some grip training exercises.


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md3 wrote:
One of the reasons I used to like the climbing community was that it was made up of mostly good people. Reliably decent and often interesting individuals. Its still mostly true when I get out beyond the gym like areas. Someone who might not have a climbing specific training background offers some thoughts on a particular type of training and you think that's a good reason to give them a hard time? Who are you people?
As to different types of strength: I have wondered if the tendentious I have had at times wasn't due in part to training that was too climbing specific. You can always learn something from other people if you are willing to be a little bit open. Using some minor feeling you have of being "in" a group because you know some basics about it to justify being rude to someone in order to bolster your own self esteem in some way is pretty pathetic. The climbing community I have always respected so much has always valued decency as a person over any particular set of climbing skills or expertise.
Maybe if you had read training guides from other climbers, instead of following bozos like the OP you wouldn't have this problem. Never heard of antagonistic training?


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In the past I used different level grip devices. At worst they don't seem to apply to climbing.

At best or at worst they do not apply to climbing. Hand trainers that you have to squeeze will have no impact on the type of forearm strength needed for climbing. This is a settled issue and has been for some time. The climbing community is slow to pick up on it, but hand exercisers do not work. The French have known this for about 30 years, the American research community figured it out about 15 years ago, but somehow the word has not really gotten out to climbers.


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If you are using a conventional gripper that are on the market is good and you should keep doing that. Unfortunately grippers don't incorperate the thumb and the thumb is a big key to real grip strngth

The irony to me is that in MMA grip strength really can be the difference between between being in control and getting pounded on.

BUT, it's also well understood that hand size and finger length are arguably more important than strength. But you can't train for big hands.


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DouglasHunter wrote:
flesh wrote:
In the past I used different level grip devices. At worst they don't seem to apply to climbing.

At best or at worst they do not apply to climbing. Hand trainers that you have to squeeze will have no impact on the type of forearm strength needed for climbing. This is a settled issue and has been for some time. The climbing community is slow to pick up on it, but hand exercisers do not work. The French have known this for about 30 years, the American research community figured it out about 15 years ago, but somehow the word has not really gotten out to climbers.

What about go karting? i done allot of this as a teen, one of the first things i noticed was how heavy it was on forearms. Would the contractions in corners not be isometric?. Climbing is the only activity i have done since that resembled similar forearm fatigue. But perhaps not quite similar enough.


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lmfao @ gripcoach

you gotta be kidding

is he related to a certain nigerian prince who only needs about $1,285.43 so he can access his inheritance of 400 million?


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When anonymous online, it's easy to be critical and banter for no reason. It seems like the hammer thing would strengthen the intrinsic muscles of the hand. Intrinsic should be the new hyped word BTW. I'm gonna try it as there would be little harm to trying it. Maybe it won't improve my climbing, but maybe it could prevent an injury or something.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
milesenoell wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:

And simply muscles don't have a memory.

Muscles don't have memory, but "the neurons that fire together wire together" which is functionally equivalent.

Since rob has blessed my official entry to geezerdom, I'll continue with some more crumudgemly comments...

If your aunt had balls she would be functionally equivalent to your uncle. The neurons aren't in your musles. "Muscle memory" is like "war of words", it is a stupid phrase. You can rationalize it away, but it doesn't make it right.

Now that I've had my harumph, back to old e's suggestion of mos def. I think Ms. Fat Ass is in my future.

Err booty. Damn, badly unhip again.

Just as a PSA- concrete thinking has very high specificity as an indicator of psychosis. Being annoyed by a phrase because it isn't representative of concrete thinking isn't far off....


The best part? Understanding concrete thinking requires none.


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I never would have guessed that someone would specialize in gripping. How odd to me.


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climber49er wrote:
I never would have guessed that someone would specialize in gripping. How odd to me.

I know of whole sites that specialize in griping, does that count?


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Hand trainers that you have to squeeze will have no impact on the type of forearm strength needed for climbing.

How about using them solely for warming up?


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I expected to see an actual program when I clicked on this post. You mean to tell me that you started a thread to tell rock climbers that grip strength is important? What a revelation. Thanks for your insight.


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Some MMA and BJJ people do forearm curls with weight lifting plates while holding the plate with just the fingers. I would be interested in seeing if something like this could help with the grip strength and forearm strength required for climbing.


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or the word stupider lol


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this is going to sound contradictory on a lot of levels or at least counter-intuitive but the best ways i have seen to improving grip strength are exercises that challenge the slow-twitch muscles of the forearm to maintain static contraction for extended periods. be the opposite of a bodybuilder.. i see these guys at the gym using lifting straps to deadlift and shrug then crying about their small forearms. NO STRAPS. lifting straps remove effort from the forearm in exercises where these are not the target. If you want them to grow strength you have to beat them up a little. heavy shrugs, heavy deadlifts and hold the bar between reps and sets. i also alternate releasing the bar with one or two fingers from the hands so that the demand is increased on the remaining two. 100lb bar hanging from your hands by your index and middle fingers for 50-60 seconds will hurt like you wanna die but you will achieve grip strength.


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nopainogain wrote:
this is going to sound contradictory on a lot of levels or at least counter-intuitive but the best ways i have seen to improving grip strength are exercises that challenge the slow-twitch muscles of the forearm to maintain static contraction for extended periods. be the opposite of a bodybuilder.. i see these guys at the gym using lifting straps to deadlift and shrug then crying about their small forearms. NO STRAPS. lifting straps remove effort from the forearm in exercises where these are not the target. If you want them to grow strength you have to beat them up a little. heavy shrugs, heavy deadlifts and hold the bar between reps and sets. i also alternate releasing the bar with one or two fingers from the hands so that the demand is increased on the remaining two. 100lb bar hanging from your hands by your index and middle fingers for 50-60 seconds will hurt like you wanna die but you will achieve grip strength.
Amen! I do open-handed shrugs via a shrug-machine (put the weight on that you'd like and grab the bar for lifting) and incorporate static holds. Since you can adjust the weight and how long you hold the risk of injury is reduced (you can easily release the bar safely). 100% right about losing straps for everything. If you can't hold it... anyway I'll save that rant.

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