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caughtinside
Jun 23, 2011, 5:42 PM
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Kartessa wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Kartessa wrote: billl7 wrote: On my harness, one thing the tie-in points usually have that the belay loop does not is an out layer of material for wear and tear ... protects the load bearing material from abrasion due to movement of the tied in rope. The belay loop doesn't see this kind of abrasion if one only attachs biners to the belay loop ... ignoring the kind of abrasion possible from just walking around while wearing the harness. Fun fact: Most of the abrasion on the bottom tie-in/belay loops is caused by them rubbing against eachother when you walk. Rope isn't tied/moving enough to cause that kind of damage. Where did you hear that? Do you have a link or did someone tell you that so you just assumed it was true? Josh I was told by an instructor of mine a few years ago. No link, but I have lots of "evidence" to support this theory including... Look at your tie in loops, why is the bottom one beefier and wrapped in more shit than the top? Or check out the new Mammut harness, they actually put a plastic cover on the bottom loop to reduce the friction. Even better proof: Watch the loops when you walk and you'll see it for yourself.
PTFTW.
But you are still rong. The wear on the lower tie in is caused mostly by sawing action from the rope, when you take or fall.
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areyoumydude
Jun 23, 2011, 7:16 PM
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caughtinside wrote: Kartessa wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Kartessa wrote: billl7 wrote: On my harness, one thing the tie-in points usually have that the belay loop does not is an out layer of material for wear and tear ... protects the load bearing material from abrasion due to movement of the tied in rope. The belay loop doesn't see this kind of abrasion if one only attachs biners to the belay loop ... ignoring the kind of abrasion possible from just walking around while wearing the harness. Fun fact: Most of the abrasion on the bottom tie-in/belay loops is caused by them rubbing against eachother when you walk. Rope isn't tied/moving enough to cause that kind of damage. Where did you hear that? Do you have a link or did someone tell you that so you just assumed it was true? Josh I was told by an instructor of mine a few years ago. No link, but I have lots of "evidence" to support this theory including... Look at your tie in loops, why is the bottom one beefier and wrapped in more shit than the top? Or check out the new Mammut harness, they actually put a plastic cover on the bottom loop to reduce the friction. Even better proof: Watch the loops when you walk and you'll see it for yourself. PTFTW. But you are still rong. The wear on the lower tie in is caused mostly by sawing action from the rope, when you take or fall.
I betcha these thighs rubbing together might wear out a harness perty darn quick.
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cracklover
Jun 23, 2011, 8:40 PM
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areyoumydude wrote: caughtinside wrote: Kartessa wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Kartessa wrote: billl7 wrote: On my harness, one thing the tie-in points usually have that the belay loop does not is an out layer of material for wear and tear ... protects the load bearing material from abrasion due to movement of the tied in rope. The belay loop doesn't see this kind of abrasion if one only attachs biners to the belay loop ... ignoring the kind of abrasion possible from just walking around while wearing the harness. Fun fact: Most of the abrasion on the bottom tie-in/belay loops is caused by them rubbing against eachother when you walk. Rope isn't tied/moving enough to cause that kind of damage. Where did you hear that? Do you have a link or did someone tell you that so you just assumed it was true? Josh I was told by an instructor of mine a few years ago. No link, but I have lots of "evidence" to support this theory including... Look at your tie in loops, why is the bottom one beefier and wrapped in more shit than the top? Or check out the new Mammut harness, they actually put a plastic cover on the bottom loop to reduce the friction. Even better proof: Watch the loops when you walk and you'll see it for yourself. PTFTW. But you are still rong. The wear on the lower tie in is caused mostly by sawing action from the rope, when you take or fall. I betcha these thighs rubbing together might wear out a harness perty darn quick.
Wait, is that Kartessa?
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cracklover
Jun 23, 2011, 8:47 PM
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caughtinside wrote: Kartessa wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Kartessa wrote: billl7 wrote: On my harness, one thing the tie-in points usually have that the belay loop does not is an out layer of material for wear and tear ... protects the load bearing material from abrasion due to movement of the tied in rope. The belay loop doesn't see this kind of abrasion if one only attachs biners to the belay loop ... ignoring the kind of abrasion possible from just walking around while wearing the harness. Fun fact: Most of the abrasion on the bottom tie-in/belay loops is caused by them rubbing against eachother when you walk. Rope isn't tied/moving enough to cause that kind of damage. Where did you hear that? Do you have a link or did someone tell you that so you just assumed it was true? Josh I was told by an instructor of mine a few years ago. No link, but I have lots of "evidence" to support this theory including... Look at your tie in loops, why is the bottom one beefier and wrapped in more shit than the top? Or check out the new Mammut harness, they actually put a plastic cover on the bottom loop to reduce the friction. Even better proof: Watch the loops when you walk and you'll see it for yourself. PTFTW. But you are still rong. The wear on the lower tie in is caused mostly by sawing action from the rope, when you take or fall.
Of course Kartessa is wrong. But, at least on my harness, yours isn't the primary cause either.
On mine, the wear from the rope is secondary. The biggest cause for wear is actually the belay loop itself. One can clearly see the wear marks from the edges of the belay loop having cut into the leg loop holder part.
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caughtinside
Jun 23, 2011, 9:38 PM
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cracklover wrote: caughtinside wrote: Kartessa wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Kartessa wrote: billl7 wrote: On my harness, one thing the tie-in points usually have that the belay loop does not is an out layer of material for wear and tear ... protects the load bearing material from abrasion due to movement of the tied in rope. The belay loop doesn't see this kind of abrasion if one only attachs biners to the belay loop ... ignoring the kind of abrasion possible from just walking around while wearing the harness. Fun fact: Most of the abrasion on the bottom tie-in/belay loops is caused by them rubbing against eachother when you walk. Rope isn't tied/moving enough to cause that kind of damage. Where did you hear that? Do you have a link or did someone tell you that so you just assumed it was true? Josh I was told by an instructor of mine a few years ago. No link, but I have lots of "evidence" to support this theory including... Look at your tie in loops, why is the bottom one beefier and wrapped in more shit than the top? Or check out the new Mammut harness, they actually put a plastic cover on the bottom loop to reduce the friction. Even better proof: Watch the loops when you walk and you'll see it for yourself. PTFTW. But you are still rong. The wear on the lower tie in is caused mostly by sawing action from the rope, when you take or fall. Of course Kartessa is wrong. But, at least on my harness, yours isn't the primary cause either. On mine, the wear from the rope is secondary. The biggest cause for wear is actually the belay loop itself. One can clearly see the wear marks from the edges of the belay loop having cut into the leg loop holder part. GO
That is interesting, definitely makes sense. I suppose you would get a lot of that same sawing action from your loop catching falls, and taking to a lesser extent.
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YouWill787
Sep 16, 2011, 4:54 PM
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In reply to: I sometimes, when no one is around, strip down and put my harness on at home. Nothing but me and my harness in a natural state. I'll spend the entire day in that harness. Naked.
.. I thought I was the only one..
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Rudmin
Sep 16, 2011, 5:22 PM
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If you didn't have a belay loop, your harness leg loops would only be attached to the waist belt by those elastic garder straps at the back.
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rockforlife
Sep 16, 2011, 6:17 PM
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epoch wrote: jt512 wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: dagibbs wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Harnesses are not made to walk in, they are made for climbing. Why would a manufacturer design something to guard against something that the product is not designed for anyways? Josh Harnesses are designed for climbing, yes. But people walk around in harnesses. I don't know about you -- but I, and almost everyone I know of, who is out for a day of cragging will put the harness on in the morning, and take it off at the end of the day. They'll walk from climb to climb wearing the harness, they'll sit down and eat lunch wearing the harness, they'll hike up to set a top-rope in the harness, they'll walk down from the climb in a harness, etc. If someone designing harnesses did not take into account the way harnesses are commonly used, then that would be incompetent design for the harness. Yes, we walk around in harnesses. I get that. But where is the evidence that walking is the main contributor (not climbing) to harness wear and tear? I don't buy it. Josh I think you underestimate to amount of time that n00bs walk around in their harnesses. This includes non-climbing days. Jay I sometimes, when no one is around, strip down and put my harness on at home. Nothing but me and my harness in a natural state. I'll spend the entire day in that harness. Naked. Does this make me a n0ob? More importantly, does this cause excessive wear on to my harness?
Depends on how much rubbing happens?
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sp115
Sep 16, 2011, 6:24 PM
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Rudmin wrote: If you didn't have a belay loop, your harness leg loops would only be attached to the waist belt by those elastic garder straps at the back.
I'm not sure that's always true.
http://www.google.com/...=&q=alpine%20bod
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granite_grrl
Sep 16, 2011, 7:41 PM
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Kartessa wrote: billl7 wrote: On my harness, one thing the tie-in points usually have that the belay loop does not is an out layer of material for wear and tear ... protects the load bearing material from abrasion due to movement of the tied in rope. The belay loop doesn't see this kind of abrasion if one only attachs biners to the belay loop ... ignoring the kind of abrasion possible from just walking around while wearing the harness. Fun fact: Most of the abrasion on the bottom tie-in/belay loops is caused by them rubbing against eachother when you walk. Rope isn't tied/moving enough to cause that kind of damage.
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granite_grrl
Sep 16, 2011, 7:49 PM
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cracklover wrote: caughtinside wrote: Kartessa wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Kartessa wrote: billl7 wrote: On my harness, one thing the tie-in points usually have that the belay loop does not is an out layer of material for wear and tear ... protects the load bearing material from abrasion due to movement of the tied in rope. The belay loop doesn't see this kind of abrasion if one only attachs biners to the belay loop ... ignoring the kind of abrasion possible from just walking around while wearing the harness. Fun fact: Most of the abrasion on the bottom tie-in/belay loops is caused by them rubbing against eachother when you walk. Rope isn't tied/moving enough to cause that kind of damage. Where did you hear that? Do you have a link or did someone tell you that so you just assumed it was true? Josh I was told by an instructor of mine a few years ago. No link, but I have lots of "evidence" to support this theory including... Look at your tie in loops, why is the bottom one beefier and wrapped in more shit than the top? Or check out the new Mammut harness, they actually put a plastic cover on the bottom loop to reduce the friction. Even better proof: Watch the loops when you walk and you'll see it for yourself. PTFTW. But you are still rong. The wear on the lower tie in is caused mostly by sawing action from the rope, when you take or fall. Of course Kartessa is wrong. But, at least on my harness, yours isn't the primary cause either. On mine, the wear from the rope is secondary. The biggest cause for wear is actually the belay loop itself. One can clearly see the wear marks from the edges of the belay loop having cut into the leg loop holder part. [image]http://www.supertopo.com/photos/7/60/197567_26697_XL.jpg[/image] GO
Not saying it couldn't come from your belay loop is you spent a lot of time jugging, etc, but I would have expected more wear on the belay loop too if it was the primary cause of wear.
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jjones16
Sep 16, 2011, 11:38 PM
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erisspirit wrote: epoch wrote: jt512 wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: dagibbs wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: Harnesses are not made to walk in, they are made for climbing. Why would a manufacturer design something to guard against something that the product is not designed for anyways? Josh Harnesses are designed for climbing, yes. But people walk around in harnesses. I don't know about you -- but I, and almost everyone I know of, who is out for a day of cragging will put the harness on in the morning, and take it off at the end of the day. They'll walk from climb to climb wearing the harness, they'll sit down and eat lunch wearing the harness, they'll hike up to set a top-rope in the harness, they'll walk down from the climb in a harness, etc. If someone designing harnesses did not take into account the way harnesses are commonly used, then that would be incompetent design for the harness. Yes, we walk around in harnesses. I get that. But where is the evidence that walking is the main contributor (not climbing) to harness wear and tear? I don't buy it. Josh I think you underestimate to amount of time that n00bs walk around in their harnesses. This includes non-climbing days. Jay I sometimes, when no one is around, strip down and put my harness on at home. Nothing but me and my harness in a natural state. I'll spend the entire day in that harness. Naked. Does this make me a n0ob? More importantly, does this cause excessive wear on to my harness? Now there's a mental image that can scar for life...
Just picture him with really sweet tits. It'll help.
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