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Check this out:

http://kensclimbingblog.blogspot.com/


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The short answer is NO. On the second thought, make it HECK NO.



The long answer is:

--I'd rather go for a hike. That climb looks like a hike anyway, but on an actual hike I wouldn't have to bother with ropes and would have more flexibility to stop and take care of the children's needs in a timely fashion. What if the little girl pooped her diaper on pitch one? Is it really that great for her to sit in her feces until the parents finish climbing?
Different people-- different priorities? Apparently it is not a big deal to them. The baby was having a bad time on the entire hike, and then "she was crying for the first 2 and a half pitches until she finally fell asleep." oh well, no big deal... I don't know about you, but I know that *I* cannot climb worth a damn if my child is crying. Just not worth it for me, takes all enjoyment out of the process.

-- WTF are the parents thinking-- they are both wearing helmets to protect their heads, but the babies apparently don't need this protection? (very ironic, when the blog includes a photo of a sign saying "don't throw rocks, climbers below")

--WTF is the guy thinking when he is leading a climb with a toddler in a backpack? (sans helmet for the kid, of course) I really liked this quote: "At this point we rigged up a harness for Danny so that he would be safe (i.e. not rip the backpack he was being carried in and plummet to his death if I were to take a lead fall) and connected him to me then put him in his carrier."


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no!!!


i see this happen at ski hill where i work. parents downhill skiing with kids on their back. parents have helmets, kids don't. its a nightmare for the lift workers.


it's like these parents have a tick list for things to do with their kids.


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oh dear!

No children, myself, but just the thought of what could happen would be too much for me. I suppose those people must climb hard enough that this route is a walk in the park(at least I would hope). I'll leave the caustic remarks for others to make though.


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Oh hellz no!

Little dude isn't gettin a free ride from me. If he wants to go up 5 pitches, he's gonna climb 5 pitches, with his own damn helmet on.

I'm all for involving kids in your activities, but be reasonable.


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No!

I m all about boys and skinned knees and elbows. But a 5 pitch climb for that young of a child is way to risky to put my kiddo into.
In a few years when they are old enough to make to climb them selves than yes take a kid on some fun easy multi pitch. But until they can/will wear a helmet... oh wait be in a situation when a fall by the parent is not going to kill you kid. find a baby sitter for the day or go for a hike.


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gblauer wrote:
Check this out:

http://kensclimbingblog.blogspot.com/


they should have bought dolls at the toy store instead.
prolly realized kids put a damper in their devil may care lifestyle.


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Nothing wrong with it except they didn't protect them with Helmets(which is really negligent)


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I agree, I see nothing wrong here. Like above, if the parents are wearing helmets, so should the kids. At the very least, a hat to protect from the sun.


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Put a helmet on those babies!


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wonderwoman wrote:
Put a helmet on those babies!

its all fun and games until the baby ends as a red smear on the wall...

Helmet: definitely (actually one with a HANS system - Kiddies Head is far bigger in relation to body weight. => Snapped neck)

Regarding the kids harness: I really would not like to see what would happen to the kid in case of a leader fall.

For me, this is akin to forcing your baby to free solo. there is little margin for error for the kid, while the parent will be (pysically) fine in case of a leader fall.

edited to add: could someone with a blogger account post a link in the comments section to this thread? I'd like to hear there side of the story...


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No, that is not safe. First, like everyone agrees, there is the no helmet thing. But even if the kids were wearing helmets, this is not safe. Babies and toddlers do not have very mature necks and are prone to neck injuries. This is why the current recommendation is to keep a child in a rear facing carseat for at least 2 years and as long a possible. If either of the climbers fell, they may jerk the baby which may result in a neck injury. If the leader were to fall and hit his back, the child would get hurt from the impact. And if they got into a rescue situation (which can happen to the most experienced climbers climbing easy climbs), I don't know how they would handle with 1 adult, 2 babies, and 1 injured climber. I had a picture of the leader falling, flipping upside down, and hitting the little boy's head and squeeshing the boy. *shudder*

Baby wailing for 2 1/2 pitches...that would be hell for me. I would feel horrible. And how would you be able to tell why she was crying? Like Lena mentioned, you can't exactly change diapers or feed them in the middle of a climb. Or console her for that matter. And the older boy was afraid of heights? Seriously? Seems incredibly selfish to me.

I sympathize with their desire to climb long multipitch climbs. I am there! But this is not the answer. I am surprised that some people are OK with this....

I met a girl who took her son up on a backpack up a multipich climb. I won't climb with her. Just don't trust her judgement. As a human being and as a climber...


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Amen sister.

I doubt the babies backpacks are rated for climbing. I wonder how the manufacturer would feel about seeing those photos.

"Wow"...that's all I could say when I read that blog.

Here's a scary thought: What would have happened if they HAD to take the baby out of the carrier for whatever reason...she wouldn't be tied into anything.


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I'm all for being active in the outdoors with your kids, but that strikes me somewhere between dumbazz and criminally negligent. Lets see, the kids are buckled into car seats for the drive to the climb, but no helmets and not tied in on the climb. Hmm, what's wrong here?

I have taken my "babies" up a 4 pitch climb, but they were old enough to climb it themselves, and were belayed.


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Heck no.
And we bring our toddler climbing with us, we just make sure there is a enough space for him to run around at far enough from the wall, and an extra person to watch him (so if we are climbing, it requires 3 people, if we are bouldering, just the two of us are fine).

I think this is really irresponsible - given that the kids are not wearing helmets and are not protected in any way. And things do happen even on the easiest of climbs. Hiking sounds like such a better option...


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I don't have, or even like kids and that seems criminal to me. I know that 5.6 slab is gravy but they are typically runout and the odds of flipping over backward during a fall is very high.

Those two should be ashamed of themselves.


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This seems so crazy to me that I almost wondered if they made it up? They could have taken the summit shots by hiking up. The picture of Mum on the second pitch looks very real, but could it have been set up or photoshopped? I really really can't believe that anyone would do this and then write about. The line about "We had to harness our son into his backpack so he wouldn't fall out if I flipped" is so bad its almost comical. They look like such normal people, did they just write this for a joke and somehow set up the photos?

Someone mentioned skiing with baby in backpack. In europe, especially Austria with very traditional ski resorts you do see babies in backpacks with Dad's skiing quite often which always scares me a lot and doesn't really seem much fun for either baby or parent. I am surprised to hear anywhere in the States/Canada would let someone on a lift like that, I have never seen it anywhere over here. Which is good.


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notapplicable wrote:
I don't have, or even like kids and that seems criminal to me. I know that 5.6 slab is gravy but they are typically runout and the odds of flipping over backward during a fall is very high.

Those two should be ashamed of themselves.

daddy is on weekend warrior report , spraying about his solo w the kids!
maybe mom and dad have a big life ins. policy on them (though its used to be only 5,000 per child, just for that reason) Insurance companies know it all!


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damienclimber wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
I don't have, or even like kids and that seems criminal to me. I know that 5.6 slab is gravy but they are typically runout and the odds of flipping over backward during a fall is very high.

Those two should be ashamed of themselves.

daddy is on weekend warrior report , spraying about his solo w the kids!
maybe mom and dad have a big life ins. policy on them (though its used to be only 5,000 per child, just for that reason) Insurance companies know it all!

Begone doppelganger of ye olde Enigma!


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Holy crap!

GO


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This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.


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wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

i really didn't think wanderlustmd's post crossed the line. his comments were directed at the idiotic parents schlepping their kids up a climb. he put it better then i ever could.


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macherry wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

i really didn't think wanderlustmd's post crossed the line. his comments were directed at the idiotic parents schlepping their kids up a climb. he put it better then i ever could.

+1 jumpin the gun with the edit machine there WW


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wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other dozen or so sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.


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wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it. Angelic


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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

I just find it interesting that Lena's WTF comments are still there while my comments were deleted. Based on people's reactions, they don't seem to be completely off-base.

By the way, that's in no way a knock at Lena.

This is part of the reason why I don't bother posting my opinions anymore; they either end up being redundant or they are, rarely, chopped.

BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.

I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this, but it's still a public forum. If this is a case of people finding my POV offensive...well, with all due respect, I find you offensive.


(another reason I don't post is that i just wasted yet another five minutes with this nonsense.)


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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it.
Angelic

I did indeed try to respond but it wasn't letting me. I don't have gmail, so it seemed like I could not post as an outside user.


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wanderlustmd wrote:
BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.
I agree.


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wanderlustmd wrote:
sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it.
Angelic

I did indeed try to respond but it wasn't letting me. I don't have gmail, so it seemed like I could not post as an outside user.
That sucks....Frown


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wanderlustmd wrote:
sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

I just find it interesting that Lena's WTF comments are still there while my comments were deleted. Based on people's reactions, they don't seem to be completely off-base.

By the way, that's in no way a knock at Lena.

This is part of the reason why I don't bother posting my opinions anymore; they either end up being redundant or they are, rarely, chopped.

BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.

I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this, but it's still a public forum. If this is a case of people finding my POV offensive...well, with all due respect, I find you offensive.


(another reason I don't post is that i just wasted yet another five minutes with this nonsense.)

usually posts are edited in the ladies room because of an attack of another user or because they are off base/topic; yours was neither.

language should not be an issue


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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.
I agree.
Many people post non-lady topics here because it is a moderated forum, and we like the people who frequent here. As long as people don't claim non-lady topic to be specifically for the ladies, non-female topics don't usually bother people.


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i think it is a great idea

...when they are falling, just remember to yell 'baby' not 'rock' ... that would be confusing because a baby bouncing off you helmet is much softer than a rock.


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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.
I agree.

I think in the Campground or General (it is climbing related) the thread would immediately have deteriorated into "don't bring your baby to the crag ever" or even "don't even have children if you want to keep climbing". On this forum folks are sympathetic to people wanting to do both and offer advice for what is or is not achievable and so a more balanced analysis of the behavior of these parents was likely to result. The fact that even within this group their behavior was viewed as unacceptable showed how bad it was. However in the unmoderated forums letting your baby cry for more than 10 seconds at a crag is often quoted as unacceptable, which does not really compare to what these parents did.


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sbaclimber wrote:
PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it. Angelic

Why would you say that? I don't know him personally, but he's completely open with his identity. The author of the blog is a frequent poster here. Kenneth Noyce = kennoyce, right?

GO


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cracklover wrote:
sbaclimber wrote:
PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it. Angelic

Why would you say that? I don't know him personally, but he's completely open with his identity. The author of the blog is a frequent poster here. Kenneth Noyce = kennoyce, right?
Hmmmm, good point. Well, if that's the case, then hopefully Ken got a chance to read the rant before it got nuked.


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Looks like the post in question was deleted from his blog.


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That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????


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gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

At one point I read the comments on that post and there was a post from an anonymous person saying they had called CPS, so I'm assuming they took it down once they realized word was getting around.


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My first inclination was just that. Although I would not actually do it. Also, if I did do it, I would post my name. None of this anonymous stuff.

I was incredulous when I read their account, although others seem to see nothing wrong with it.


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erisspirit wrote:
Looks like the post in question was deleted from his blog.

ST has screen shots of it.

Scroll down.
http://www.supertopo.com/...d=1615320&tn=120

Very Stupid. Very, very stupid.

Say you took a top rope fall and the mom kept the baby from the wall, nothing contacts the baby. Seems like all is well, right. But how much of a fall like that does it take to "shake" the baby.


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gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

I'm sure the thought occurred to more than one of us but I hope it didn't happen. I think that, like with most everything else, letting the community police itself is by far the better option.


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notapplicable wrote:
gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

I'm sure the thought occurred to more than one of us but I hope it didn't happen. I think that, like with most everything else, letting the community police itself is by far the better option.

NA, while I sympathize with your libertarian ideals, what exactly does the "community policing itself" mean in this case? You and I show up at his door and take his kids?


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scrapedape wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

I'm sure the thought occurred to more than one of us but I hope it didn't happen. I think that, like with most everything else, letting the community police itself is by far the better option.

NA, while I sympathize with your libertarian ideals, what exactly does the "community policing itself" mean in this case? You and I show up at his door and take his kids?

Ideally - Get them to realize their actions were negligent and dangerous so they won't do it again.

At the very least - Shame them in to not doing it again.


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Buy them a couple of Piccu helmets for christmas. Problem solved.
Child services Are for kids being left alone while parents are looking for drugs, or are being hurt, not for loving parents taking their kids on an adventure


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kiwiprincess wrote:
Buy them a couple of Piccu helmets for christmas. Problem solved.
Child services Are for kids being left alone while parents are looking for drugs, or are being hurt, not for loving parents taking their kids on an adventure

Not true.


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It seems so simple to make a phone call to get kids from their "bad home". But how many "well meaning" nosey neighbors actually step up as foster parents for the kids who really need it most?

Yeah...I'm sure these kids would be much better off in a group home with crack babies.


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iamthewallress wrote:
It seems so simple to make a phone call to get kids from their "bad home". But how many "well meaning" nosey neighbors actually step up as foster parents for the kids who really need it most?

Yeah...I'm sure these kids would be much better off in a group home with crack babies.

Well there was my wife's parents, two uncles and three aunts, a co-worker and his wife, and my next door neighbors.

Granted in the grand scheme of things it's not that many but still. Wink


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While I don't think just adding a couple of helmets would make this OK, I don't think the parents are bad parents or deserve to lose their kids. They did something stupid and hopefully realise and won't do it again. Possibly breaking up a family which looks very happy and as Kiwi says were trying to have fun together would be a really bad outcome. I hope it hasn't gone that far. They were stupid, not evil.


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smallclimber wrote:
While I don't think just adding a couple of helmets would make this OK, I don't think the parents are bad parents or deserve to lose their kids. They did something stupid and hopefully realise and won't do it again. Possibly breaking up a family which looks very happy and as Kiwi says were trying to have fun together would be a really bad outcome. I hope it hasn't gone that far. They were stupid, not evil.

I think this is pretty much how I feel about it. I have been struggling to put my thoughts into words without opening up some can of worms, but I think this sums it up fairly well.


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