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wanderlustmd


Sep 24, 2011, 9:25 AM
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wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other dozen or so sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.


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wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it. Angelic


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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

I just find it interesting that Lena's WTF comments are still there while my comments were deleted. Based on people's reactions, they don't seem to be completely off-base.

By the way, that's in no way a knock at Lena.

This is part of the reason why I don't bother posting my opinions anymore; they either end up being redundant or they are, rarely, chopped.

BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.

I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this, but it's still a public forum. If this is a case of people finding my POV offensive...well, with all due respect, I find you offensive.


(another reason I don't post is that i just wasted yet another five minutes with this nonsense.)


wanderlustmd


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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it.
Angelic

I did indeed try to respond but it wasn't letting me. I don't have gmail, so it seemed like I could not post as an outside user.


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wanderlustmd wrote:
BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.
I agree.


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wanderlustmd wrote:
sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it.
Angelic

I did indeed try to respond but it wasn't letting me. I don't have gmail, so it seemed like I could not post as an outside user.
That sucks....Frown


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wanderlustmd wrote:
sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
wonderwoman wrote:
This is a highly moderated forum, and therefore, some really inappropriate posts have been hidden. I know you folks can make a good point without crossing the line.

Nice one!
I can understand wanting to moderate more closely given the context of the forum...but everything I said was directed at both parents. Not just mom. (For the record, I said "understand"...not "agree with.")

If you deleted it based on some of the language I used...well, you probably want to check out the other half dozen or so blue sub-forums on the site.

Either way, you're wrong.
That's what you meant, right....!? Wink
Although I personally liked (and agreed with) your post, I can still see why WW chose to nuke it.
A blue forum is just that, highly moderated.

I just find it interesting that Lena's WTF comments are still there while my comments were deleted. Based on people's reactions, they don't seem to be completely off-base.

By the way, that's in no way a knock at Lena.

This is part of the reason why I don't bother posting my opinions anymore; they either end up being redundant or they are, rarely, chopped.

BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.

I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this, but it's still a public forum. If this is a case of people finding my POV offensive...well, with all due respect, I find you offensive.


(another reason I don't post is that i just wasted yet another five minutes with this nonsense.)

usually posts are edited in the ladies room because of an attack of another user or because they are off base/topic; yours was neither.

language should not be an issue


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Sep 24, 2011, 8:13 PM
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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.
I agree.
Many people post non-lady topics here because it is a moderated forum, and we like the people who frequent here. As long as people don't claim non-lady topic to be specifically for the ladies, non-female topics don't usually bother people.


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i think it is a great idea

...when they are falling, just remember to yell 'baby' not 'rock' ... that would be confusing because a baby bouncing off you helmet is much softer than a rock.


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sbaclimber wrote:
wanderlustmd wrote:
BTW (while we're critiquing), why is hasn't this been moved to Campground? It's not a female-only topic.
I agree.

I think in the Campground or General (it is climbing related) the thread would immediately have deteriorated into "don't bring your baby to the crag ever" or even "don't even have children if you want to keep climbing". On this forum folks are sympathetic to people wanting to do both and offer advice for what is or is not achievable and so a more balanced analysis of the behavior of these parents was likely to result. The fact that even within this group their behavior was viewed as unacceptable showed how bad it was. However in the unmoderated forums letting your baby cry for more than 10 seconds at a crag is often quoted as unacceptable, which does not really compare to what these parents did.


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sbaclimber wrote:
PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it. Angelic

Why would you say that? I don't know him personally, but he's completely open with his identity. The author of the blog is a frequent poster here. Kenneth Noyce = kennoyce, right?

GO


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cracklover wrote:
sbaclimber wrote:
PS, assuming the authors of that blog aren't readers of RC.com, did you bother posting a comment on their blog?
I know you were addressing them in your post......but wasn't it kinda pointless if they aren't going to be reading it. Angelic

Why would you say that? I don't know him personally, but he's completely open with his identity. The author of the blog is a frequent poster here. Kenneth Noyce = kennoyce, right?
Hmmmm, good point. Well, if that's the case, then hopefully Ken got a chance to read the rant before it got nuked.


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Looks like the post in question was deleted from his blog.


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That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????


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gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

At one point I read the comments on that post and there was a post from an anonymous person saying they had called CPS, so I'm assuming they took it down once they realized word was getting around.


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My first inclination was just that. Although I would not actually do it. Also, if I did do it, I would post my name. None of this anonymous stuff.

I was incredulous when I read their account, although others seem to see nothing wrong with it.


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erisspirit wrote:
Looks like the post in question was deleted from his blog.

ST has screen shots of it.

Scroll down.
http://www.supertopo.com/...d=1615320&tn=120

Very Stupid. Very, very stupid.

Say you took a top rope fall and the mom kept the baby from the wall, nothing contacts the baby. Seems like all is well, right. But how much of a fall like that does it take to "shake" the baby.


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gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

I'm sure the thought occurred to more than one of us but I hope it didn't happen. I think that, like with most everything else, letting the community police itself is by far the better option.


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notapplicable wrote:
gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

I'm sure the thought occurred to more than one of us but I hope it didn't happen. I think that, like with most everything else, letting the community police itself is by far the better option.

NA, while I sympathize with your libertarian ideals, what exactly does the "community policing itself" mean in this case? You and I show up at his door and take his kids?


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scrapedape wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
gblauer wrote:
That is very interesting. Perhaps he was risking a call into child protective services by leaving it there????

I'm sure the thought occurred to more than one of us but I hope it didn't happen. I think that, like with most everything else, letting the community police itself is by far the better option.

NA, while I sympathize with your libertarian ideals, what exactly does the "community policing itself" mean in this case? You and I show up at his door and take his kids?

Ideally - Get them to realize their actions were negligent and dangerous so they won't do it again.

At the very least - Shame them in to not doing it again.


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Buy them a couple of Piccu helmets for christmas. Problem solved.
Child services Are for kids being left alone while parents are looking for drugs, or are being hurt, not for loving parents taking their kids on an adventure


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kiwiprincess wrote:
Buy them a couple of Piccu helmets for christmas. Problem solved.
Child services Are for kids being left alone while parents are looking for drugs, or are being hurt, not for loving parents taking their kids on an adventure

Not true.


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It seems so simple to make a phone call to get kids from their "bad home". But how many "well meaning" nosey neighbors actually step up as foster parents for the kids who really need it most?

Yeah...I'm sure these kids would be much better off in a group home with crack babies.


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iamthewallress wrote:
It seems so simple to make a phone call to get kids from their "bad home". But how many "well meaning" nosey neighbors actually step up as foster parents for the kids who really need it most?

Yeah...I'm sure these kids would be much better off in a group home with crack babies.

Well there was my wife's parents, two uncles and three aunts, a co-worker and his wife, and my next door neighbors.

Granted in the grand scheme of things it's not that many but still. Wink


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While I don't think just adding a couple of helmets would make this OK, I don't think the parents are bad parents or deserve to lose their kids. They did something stupid and hopefully realise and won't do it again. Possibly breaking up a family which looks very happy and as Kiwi says were trying to have fun together would be a really bad outcome. I hope it hasn't gone that far. They were stupid, not evil.

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