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guangzhou


Oct 8, 2011, 7:08 PM
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[quote=guangzhou]Americans, not the American government, have created the greatest innovations in the last 200 year fairly consistently. Mostly because America is a place that allows things to happen.

This fallacy gets trotted out so often with no real basis in fact. This was sort of true from 200 years to around 100 years ago. Since then, most real innovations have come out of government programs that the private sector has subsequently run with(and profited enormously from). We've gotten advanced enough that real innovation takes enormous investment and risk taking that the private sector will not do until its proven.
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WW1 and WW2 industrial production
National security, definitely government spending, but all material was supplied by private businesses when it came to production.

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Manhattan Project
Created as a national security imitative for weapon, again, I agree with government spending for National Security.

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Space program
I think the government locking private business out of the space race has done more to slow the process down than to help it along.

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Large scale dam engineering(private bullshit dams like Johnstown fail and kill spectacular numbers of people. Hoover Dam works pretty well).
National Power Grid, definitely should be government.

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Interstate highway system(thank god private industry didn't do this or we would have thousands of toll roads that didn't connect to each other well or follow the same building/signage standards).

The only reason we have a great interstate is that the government wanted alternate landing strips in case we were invaded. I do believe that a country's road system should be nationalized. It's part of a country's infrastructure.
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Computer development - there is no way Apple could have started without massive government investment in ENIAC and other early computers.
Apple recieve research money, fine, I see no issues with research money being given to help start up companies that will develop something new. I see a problem with government giving money to businesses that are decades old and failing because they refused to adapt to changes in the market.

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The Internet - if this had been done privately there would have been hundreds of separate for pay networks like the cell phone companies.

The internet was around long before the common citizen heard of it. Within the military compound, the technology was being used to send messages before American's heard of email.

The internet the way it is today was built on the back of the initial government project, fine, but private businesses made the internet what it is today. Easy to navigate, usable to do business, and growing.

As for your comparison to cellphone, yes they are 100s of companies, but that is what makes the market competitive and innovative. Without competition, I ask you how many dead-space areas we wold have when it comes to signal compared to today. Companies keep putting up towers to get new subscribers, the companies who own those tower rent them to other companies to increase revenue. I see nothing wrong with that.


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Human genome project.
Not much I can say here, don't have any opinion of much knowledge on this.

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Private Americans are good at exploiting those types of programs to improve and profit from them, which is great. This is why it makes me sick to see all of these ass clown right wingers screaming about the Solyndra loan failure. That is exactly the sort of thing government should be doing. Even if 1000 programs like that fail, every one success that creates a game changer like the internet does more to build the economy than millions of little cottage industry types like you do.

Again, I have nothing against the government investing in companies that are researching new technologies. If I could push a buttom, I would approve the another Solyndra loan today. To me, the ruckuss about the loans is more about Political power struggles between both parties.

I bet that if the Republican party takes office and the project come to fruition under their watch, they would be quick to say how great it is that the Republican Federal Government was able to create so many new jobs in this 'new field" and would never even mention the whole project was started by the other side.

The truth of the matter is that many government programs and changes don't ripen until the person who started them is gone.


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The problem with NASA is that it should exist mostly as a fund distribution body and information clearinghouse. It is the insistence that it do something practical that has led it into conflict with the private sector and given the impression that its wasting money. I'm not saying that we just hand them money and walk away, I'm saying that as long as the public, or worse still the congress critters, say "what's in it for me?" or "we need to do this cheaper!", the good research gets hobbled. On average, NASA aeronautics research takes between 20 and 40 years to ever appear in even military applications, let alone consumer grade tech. Boeing, Lockheed, Ball, their research and development is mostly a refinement of NASA research into something practical, and since the foundation work is already done, they do it at a fraction of the cost.

The other major thing that NASA does is to provide high quality instruments to explore the universe. There is no private granting body, in existence, that would pay for a James Webb Space Telescope. Period. Just from the deep-space angle, we have the (soon to be retired) Hubble visible, near IR, and UV space telescope, the Spitzer IR space telescope, the Astro-E2 X-Ray space telescope, the Chandra X-Ray space telescope, the CHIPS UV space telescope, the GLAST gamma-ray space telescope, the GALEX all-sky galaxy survey telescope, the Herschel far-IR space telescope, and on and on and on. These are all providing valuable data for understanding the universe at large, maybe pointing towards new physical phenomena that will affect our day to day life, but mostly not. And since the foundation work hasn't been done to show how it might come in handy in a make-my-dividends-increase sort of way, your average response when you pitch it to a company that could afford to pay for it themselves is "Fuck you, and the coffee isn't free."

They also pay for the climate study satellites, a LOT of big picture physics research (they launched Gravity Probe B, which is meant to test the relativistic claim that gravity waves exist), and a variety of other research.

I haven't even mentioned the planetary astronomy they do, the probes they've launched, the missions they've operated.

The only part that the private sector would take over for themselves is the aeronautics R&D, but they won't because if NASA's doing it, they don't have to pay for it themselves. The manned space program is the most expensive single part of NASA's mission, but also the most visible. The manned space program basically exists to justify NASA's science budget to people who think that all the science we need is written out in Genesis. And whenever small-government types go after NASA they say "we're spending billions spending robots to asteroids, or building orbiting telescopes (at this point, they may say with a sneer, that just seems like a needless frivolity since we've got thousands of telescopes on earth that work just fine) but we haven't been to the moon since 1972. Why are we wasting all of this money?"

In the private sector, physics research is all about improving existing devices. I've not heard a single word about private sector research into spintronics, although (provided it works) it will likely supplant all of electronics. Why? Because the major boons from that approach are still entirely theoretical. Nobody will spend money on it until they know that the complications are practical, not theoretical.


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To the OP, if a person manages to dig themselves out of poverty without simply praying that things went right for a few months in a row, then they were never really in poverty to begin with.

When you pray that your kids don't get sick so you don't have to miss work toi take care of them. When you pray the bus isn't late so you don't get fired. When you pray that your landlord doesn't cash your rent check until after Tuesday, because the rent comes due the same day your pay check gets mailed. When you pray you don't get mugged walking home from work, since the $30 in your pocket is 3 months savings towards the books you'll need to buy to attend community college to try to improve your station.

Guangzhou, I'm sure you're proud of your mother for doing so much while starting with so little. I would be too. But what you failed to see was how lucky she was that that book-keeping position opened up. That she didn't get hit by an uninsured driver. That the bank offered *free* accounting lessons to their tellers. That at no point her manager elected to be sexist, racist, or fire her for any thing that her work ethic couldn't mitigate. That the economy didn't collapse in such a way that department stores, taco bells, and banks could no longer afford to take on additional workers.

Sure, its frustrating to hear about welfare princesses who are happy to collect their check but not actually work, but that isn't the story behind class warfare as its been dubbed.

The banks and the markets are just one part of a much deeper problem, they are its most visible agents. But the problem stems from the gimme-gimme approach to money making, the idea that winning at life means spitting on the people who make less than you. We idolize the rich, when really we should only idolize their account balances, not the conduct that led to it.


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To the OP, if a person manages to dig themselves out of poverty without simply praying that things went right for a few months in a row, then they were never really in poverty to begin with.

When you pray that your kids don't get sick so you don't have to miss work toi take care of them. When you pray the bus isn't late so you don't get fired. When you pray that your landlord doesn't cash your rent check until after Tuesday, because the rent comes due the same day your pay check gets mailed. When you pray you don't get mugged walking home from work, since the $30 in your pocket is 3 months savings towards the books you'll need to buy to attend community college to try to improve your station.

Guangzhou, I'm sure you're proud of your mother for doing so much while starting with so little. I would be too. But what you failed to see was how lucky she was that that book-keeping position opened up. That she didn't get hit by an uninsured driver. That the bank offered *free* accounting lessons to their tellers. That at no point her manager elected to be sexist, racist, or fire her for any thing that her work ethic couldn't mitigate. That the economy didn't collapse in such a way that department stores, taco bells, and banks could no longer afford to take on additional workers.

Sure, its frustrating to hear about welfare princesses who are happy to collect their check but not actually work, but that isn't the story behind class warfare as its been dubbed.

The banks and the markets are just one part of a much deeper problem, they are its most visible agents. But the problem stems from the gimme-gimme approach to money making, the idea that winning at life means spitting on the people who make less than you. We idolize the rich, when really we should only idolize their account balances, not the conduct that led to it.

Agree with all of the above, especially the last paragraph.


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To the OP, if a person manages to dig themselves out of poverty without simply praying that things went right for a few months in a row, then they were never really in poverty to begin with.

When you pray that your kids don't get sick so you don't have to miss work toi take care of them. When you pray the bus isn't late so you don't get fired. When you pray that your landlord doesn't cash your rent check until after Tuesday, because the rent comes due the same day your pay check gets mailed. When you pray you don't get mugged walking home from work, since the $30 in your pocket is 3 months savings towards the books you'll need to buy to attend community college to try to improve your station.

Guangzhou, I'm sure you're proud of your mother for doing so much while starting with so little. I would be too. But what you failed to see was how lucky she was that that book-keeping position opened up. That she didn't get hit by an uninsured driver. That the bank offered *free* accounting lessons to their tellers. That at no point her manager elected to be sexist, racist, or fire her for any thing that her work ethic couldn't mitigate. That the economy didn't collapse in such a way that department stores, taco bells, and banks could no longer afford to take on additional workers.

Sure, its frustrating to hear about welfare princesses who are happy to collect their check but not actually work, but that isn't the story behind class warfare as its been dubbed.

The banks and the markets are just one part of a much deeper problem, they are its most visible agents. But the problem stems from the gimme-gimme approach to money making, the idea that winning at life means spitting on the people who make less than you. We idolize the rich, when really we should only idolize their account balances, not the conduct that led to it.

Great post. Very well put, all the way around.


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Luck us a big part of life. For everyone (most of all golfers).

To a certain extent, you can make your own luck by hanging out in places where opportunity comes by, working on a skill that you need, etc. but it's really just one big random experiment. How did you meed your girlfriend? What was your first job? What personality were you born with?, etc.

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But the problem stems from the gimme-gimme approach to money making, the idea that winning at life means spitting on the people who make less than you.

IMHO this attitude is present in a WAY small part of the population. Many of those who have it lead marginalized lives, I think.


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The only reason we have a great interstate is that the government wanted alternate landing strips in case we were invaded. I do believe that a country's road system should be nationalized. It's part of a country's infrastructure.

This is an urban legend and pretty nonsensical if you stop to think about it.


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FWIW, I don't see any opportunity in America, at least not enough to go around. I want to be a teacher. I grew hearing my entire life that America needed teacher. After graduating top of my class at the top school in the state, I have been unable to find a job. There are at least 150 applicants for every open teaching position. Of the people who graduated with me, only a few have found jobs. The ones who have got them through connections made through playing high school sports. Now, I am a substitute teacher and make minimum wage. I am not going to play the fake humble card. Someone with my aptitude should not be making minimum wage. I provide far more value than that, even as a sub. I feel betrayed by the system. The generation before mine royally screwed up my generations chance to be successful. In terms of the original point concerning personal responsibility, I agree 100%. Instead of sitting on my but, I am learning Spanish, so I can become ESOL certified and make myself more marketable. I am positioning myself so that when my lucky break comes, I can take full advantage of it and live the type of life I want, modest income and doing what I love.


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Private Americans are good at exploiting those types of programs to improve and profit from them, which is great. This is why it makes me sick to see all of these ass clown right wingers screaming about the Solyndra loan failure. That is exactly the sort of thing government should be doing. Even if 1000 programs like that fail, every one success that creates a game changer like the internet does more to build the economy than millions of little cottage industry types like you do.

While I agree with you in general, the Solyndra loan guarantee was a colossal blunder. Anyone who had even basic knowledge of the current photovoltaics markets knew (with certainty) that Solyndra was unavoidably headed for bankruptcy. And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

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The only reason we have a great interstate is that the government wanted alternate landing strips in case we were invaded. I do believe that a country's road system should be nationalized. It's part of a country's infrastructure.

This is an urban legend and pretty nonsensical if you stop to think about it.

Urban legend taught in the various Military academies as fact.


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FWIW, I don't see any opportunity in America, at least not enough to go around. I want to be a teacher. I grew hearing my entire life that America needed teacher. After graduating top of my class at the top school in the state, I have been unable to find a job. There are at least 150 applicants for every open teaching position. Of the people who graduated with me, only a few have found jobs. The ones who have got them through connections made through playing high school sports.

If you really really want to be a teacher, move to the International School system. You can work in almost any country in the world, full benefits, housing expenses covered, America salaries or better, and you'll be tax free. Loads of job openings too.

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Now, I am a substitute teacher and make minimum wage. I am not going to play the fake humble card. Someone with my aptitude should not be making minimum wage. I provide far more value than that, even as a sub. I feel betrayed by the system.

One problem is that to many people listened to we need teachers, and we do. So everyone decided to learn to teach without thinking about what would happen by the time it was time for them to start working.

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The generation before mine royally screwed up my generations chance to be successful. In terms of the original point concerning personal responsibility, I agree 100%. Instead of sitting on my but, I am learning Spanish, so I can become ESOL certified and make myself more marketable. I am positioning myself so that when my lucky break comes, I can take full advantage of it and live the type of life I want, modest income and doing what I love.

Again, you are looking at the world through a very small microscope. Look abroad or in other states. Check out private schools.

Before you try to market yourself as a Spanish teacher, think about what programs will be cut first. Core subjects will make you the most marketable. Math, Science, and English. Elementary is less competitive than high school for finding jobs and Middle school is the easiest to enter.

They are also a few programs that will repay all your college loans if you teach where they need you most. Those programs will give you the experience you need to get other jobs. Of course, it means moving to place like Appalachia or the Bayous of Louisiana, but if you really really want to teach, you do what it takes to get started.

As for the system screwing you, you choose to study to become a teacher. Not sure when you started college, but teachers have been loosing their jobs, fighting low pay, and states have been cutting the education budget of over a decade now. Doesn't take rocket science to know it's not a fast growing field.

best bet, go International,
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FWIW, I don't see any opportunity in America, at least not enough to go around. I want to be a teacher. I grew hearing my entire life that America needed teacher. After graduating top of my class at the top school in the state, I have been unable to find a job. There are at least 150 applicants for every open teaching position. Of the people who graduated with me, only a few have found jobs. The ones who have got them through connections made through playing high school sports. Now, I am a substitute teacher and make minimum wage. I am not going to play the fake humble card. Someone with my aptitude should not be making minimum wage. I provide far more value than that, even as a sub. I feel betrayed by the system. The generation before mine royally screwed up my generations chance to be successful. In terms of the original point concerning personal responsibility, I agree 100%. Instead of sitting on my but, I am learning Spanish, so I can become ESOL certified and make myself more marketable. I am positioning myself so that when my lucky break comes, I can take full advantage of it and live the type of life I want, modest income and doing what I love.

I'm a teacher and sorry to hear your story. if you don't have a reason to be in georgia, i would suggest moving west. more teaching positions, esp. in rural areas.


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The only reason we have a great interstate is that the government wanted alternate landing strips in case we were invaded. I do believe that a country's road system should be nationalized. It's part of a country's infrastructure.

This is an urban legend and pretty nonsensical if you stop to think about it.

Urban legend taught in the various Military academies as fact.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp


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Corporate greed and the bought off politicians are fucking this country for a last ounce of pie for themselves. Occupy is just the start... people are desperate... RIP the american dream.


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The only reason we have a great interstate is that the government wanted alternate landing strips in case we were invaded. I do believe that a country's road system should be nationalized. It's part of a country's infrastructure.

This is an urban legend and pretty nonsensical if you stop to think about it.

Urban legend taught in the various Military academies as fact.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp

Nice link, and while I agree that in today's world it makes no sense, we are talking about America before the car was the common mode of transportation. America before they were "private landing strips" to help.


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GZ, you stink. Your advice stinks. You talk like everybody can take what-ever choices they choose, and they can succeed, or not.

Well I don't want to succeed, or not. I want to build a happy, useful, productive life. And I want to use my own experience, values, and skills.

All I have to do is try. Right? Ha! Lotsa luck baby!

Your advice is conceited, arrogant, cruel and cold-hearted. You advice should work for folks who share the approach, assets, and environment that you enjoy. I for one have no way of building a live like yours. The choices I have taken have been brilliant strategies -- but didn't work out. And frankly I don't know anybody who did better than I have. That is, I'm not penniless, but I am poor. Others in my world are broke, sick, or dead. So much for choices, and so much for the responsibility.

Advice that cannot be applied to the situation stinks. And when you show us how wonderful you have done -- well fine -- but don't set yourself up as a model for everybody else.


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GZ, you stink. Your advice stinks. You talk like everybody can take what-ever choices they choose, and they can succeed, or not.

Well I don't want to succeed, or not. I want to build a happy, useful, productive life. And I want to use my own experience, values, and skills.

All I have to do is try. Right? Ha! Lotsa luck baby!

Your advice is conceited, arrogant, cruel and cold-hearted. You advice should work for folks who share the approach, assets, and environment that you enjoy. I for one have no way of building a live like yours.

Why do you believe this?
Why would you want to build a life like mine, I would not want anyone to copy my way way of living, I recommend people chose what they want to do and then work on making it happen.

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The choices I have taken have been brilliant strategies -- but didn't work out.

How can something that is brilliant not work? That's like saying I have the solution but it don't fix the problem.

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And frankly I don't know anybody who did better than I have. That is, I'm not penniless, but I am poor. Others in my world are broke, sick, or dead. So much for choices, and so much for the responsibility.

I don't know what you do, or what the folk you know do. I don't measure my personal success by money or income either, but by how much fun I have day to day.

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Advice that cannot be applied to the situation stinks. And when you show us how wonderful you have done -- well fine -- but don't set yourself up as a model for everybody else.

Not sure I gave anyone any advice, the only person I came close to given advice too was someone who wanted to become a teacher, and their I gave him some other options he may not have considered.

So what advice did I give that can be applied to a situation?

I would never recommend someone follow in my footsteps, but I am willing to let people know what some of the opportunities I've seen are. What they do with the info is up to them.

I have not talked about how successful or not successful I have been. Mostly because I don't define success in the same way as other on this site do. Actually, I debt most of us have a very different definition of success here.


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Well I don't want to succeed, or not. I want to build a happy, useful, productive life. And I want to use my own experience, values, and skills.

Sounds like success to me!

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The choices I have taken have been brilliant strategies -- but didn't work out.

Hmmmm....... Maybe not so brilliant?


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Nice link, and while I agree that in today's world it makes no sense, we are talking about America before the car was the common mode of transportation. America before they were "private landing strips" to help.

Are you fucking kidding me? this only reveals that you have no clue about the history and effect of the automobile in America. it has been the common mode of transportation in this country since the 1920s, since the Ford Model T. the Automobile IS our mass transit system, and the construction of the interstates only facilitated that.


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I agree, the car was mass transport. Not sure where I read it, but they were between 1.5 and 2.2 million cars on the roads by the 1940's. Might have been in the Ford Biography. About 1.5 million of them were Ford Model T.

The 1920 is when cars were first really being produced on a wide scale, but it was the late 20's before ordinary Americans could afford them. By the 1940, thanks to Ford's Assembly line more than his cars, cars were easier to buy, so more people owned them.

2.5 million of cars is still not much. When you consider that most roads were dirt roads before the second World War, getting a Ford Model to move off the interstates to land an airplane during times of emergencies would not have been overly difficult.

The 1950 was really the first time the Federal Government did anything to create a true interstate system. Because of the Cold War Threat, the federal government wanted an interstate system, mostly to move good for commerce and civilian in case of nuclear attack. Prior to that, people moved across the country on a system of Highways. (Yes, Highways and Interstates are different.)

While the administration may never have intended to use the system has airstrips, pointing out that the interstates were designed to do so help pass the funding through congress.


Not sure why you have to swear and curse. Don't agree, have a discussion instead of throwing a temper tantrum.


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The only reason we have a great interstate is that the government wanted alternate landing strips in case we were invaded. I do believe that a country's road system should be nationalized. It's part of a country's infrastructure.

This is an urban legend and pretty nonsensical if you stop to think about it.

Urban legend taught in the various Military academies as fact.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp


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FWIW, I don't see any opportunity in America, at least not enough to go around. I want to be a teacher. I grew hearing my entire life that America needed teacher. After graduating top of my class at the top school in the state, I have been unable to find a job. There are at least 150 applicants for every open teaching position. Of the people who graduated with me, only a few have found jobs. The ones who have got them through connections made through playing high school sports. Now, I am a substitute teacher and make minimum wage. I am not going to play the fake humble card. Someone with my aptitude should not be making minimum wage. I provide far more value than that, even as a sub. I feel betrayed by the system. The generation before mine royally screwed up my generations chance to be successful. In terms of the original point concerning personal responsibility, I agree 100%. Instead of sitting on my but, I am learning Spanish, so I can become ESOL certified and make myself more marketable. I am positioning myself so that when my lucky break comes, I can take full advantage of it and live the type of life I want, modest income and doing what I love.

I'm a teacher and sorry to hear your story. if you don't have a reason to be in georgia, i would suggest moving west. more teaching positions, esp. in rural areas.

I am moving next year.


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Before you try to market yourself as a Spanish teacher, think about what programs will be cut first. Core subjects will make you the most marketable. Math, Science, and English. Elementary is less competitive than high school for finding jobs and Middle school is the easiest to enter.

Schools are required by law to provide instruction in English for foreign language students. While the number of foreign language students may not increase like it did in the last decade, I do not see it imploding altogether. In any case, knowing Spanish will make me much more marketable for all teaching jobs, not just ESOL. In addition, I plan on getting certified to teach Math, and Chemistry.

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As for the system screwing you, you choose to study to become a teacher. Not sure when you started college, but teachers have been loosing their jobs, fighting low pay, and states have been cutting the education budget of over a decade now. Doesn't take rocket science to know it's not a fast growing field.

When the economy collapsed in Fall of 08, I was already into the teaching program and switching to anything else would have involved more years of school.

You don't have to tell me I have not done everything I could to get a job. I know that pretty well. In that sense I really have no right to complain. It is just odd to me that because of economic events that are no way inside my control, I have to jump through so many hoops to land a job with such low pay and prestige as a school teacher. Not to mention that when I do finally manage to start teaching, there will be hundreds of other equally qualified applicants left twiddling their thumbs.


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The only reason we have a great interstate is that the government wanted alternate landing strips in case we were invaded. I do believe that a country's road system should be nationalized. It's part of a country's infrastructure.

This is an urban legend and pretty nonsensical if you stop to think about it.

Urban legend taught in the various Military academies as fact.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp

Nice link, and while I agree that in today's world it makes no sense, we are talking about America before the car was the common mode of transportation. America before they were "private landing strips" to help.

This is how I see it, and I may be wrong. I am not exactly an expert strategist. It seems that airplanes primary function is offensive rather than defensive. When airplanes are defending, they are defending against other airplanes. An excess of landing strips via the interstate seems like it would be an advantage for the invader rather than America, which already has its own landing infrastructure.


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Before you try to market yourself as a Spanish teacher, think about what programs will be cut first. Core subjects will make you the most marketable. Math, Science, and English. Elementary is less competitive than high school for finding jobs and Middle school is the easiest to enter.

Schools are required by law to provide instruction in English for foreign language students. While the number of foreign language students may not increase like it did in the last decade, I do not see it imploding altogether. In any case, knowing Spanish will make me much more marketable for all teaching jobs, not just ESOL. In addition, I plan on getting certified to teach Math, and Chemistry.

I am very aware that schools are required to have ESL programs. I've always thought the hoop jumping for becoming a teacher, even when I was going through it, was a bit over the top.

Before you move out west,keep in mind that every state has it's own licensing requirement for teachers. Make sure you qualification are acceptable before you move.

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As for the system screwing you, you choose to study to become a teacher. Not sure when you started college, but teachers have been loosing their jobs, fighting low pay, and states have been cutting the education budget of over a decade now. Doesn't take rocket science to know it's not a fast growing field.

When the economy collapsed in Fall of 08, I was already into the teaching program and switching to anything else would have involved more years of school.
The lack of teaching jobs and schools having no money, and more applicants than position came long before the economy collapses in 2008.

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You don't have to tell me I have not done everything I could to get a job. I know that pretty well. In that sense I really have no right to complain. It is just odd to me that because of economic events that are no way inside my control, I have to jump through so many hoops to land a job with such low pay and prestige as a school teacher. Not to mention that when I do finally manage to start teaching, there will be hundreds of other equally qualified applicants left twiddling their thumbs.

Again, I know the economy has headed south, but teaching jobs were effected long before 2008. I don't know what you have done or not done to get a job, not even sure if you're out of school yet.

For this school year, I was offered teaching positions in TN, Georgia, and California all with public schools. They had a resume on me from years ago. I am not certified in any of those states, but they wanted me to teach Middle School Math. My Degree is in Communication. All said they would grant me emergency credential because of my years of experience teaching Math.

You live in Georgia, a state that has very good education, I am surprised you're having so much trouble finding a job there to be honest, but public education budgets have been suffering for years, teachers have been complaining about pay for decades, and voters have been have been complaining about the system for well who know.

You comment on teaching not being prestigious, I don't agree. I find it to be among the most noble and important professions in the world. I love my time in the class room and the only reason I left education was I wanted to earn more income and still climb a to.

If you're not against living overseas, I still recommend you check out tieonline. Shoot me an email and I lend you access to the site so you can see the positions listed and if you like something posted, you cans end off your resume.

I think that choosing to become a public school teacher in America today is not a good long term career choice. To much is dependent on the politician in charge for that term, the school-board in charge for that year, and the Federal Government's Education Flavor of the year.

best things about teaching, the students and the schedule. Trust me when I say you earn your summers.

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