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csproul
Mar 1, 2012, 5:44 PM
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dynosore wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: dynosore wrote: Studies have shown that short men are discriminated against even moreso than minorities when it comes to employment and promotions. Better looking people get promoted more easily. We live in an imperfect world, but I fail to believe we will make any progress by reversing the discrimination. I prefer to be colorblind. I don't understand why you are getting offended (I know I said I am done with this thread). Why can't racism and discrimination be talked about without people getting up in arms about it? Just because racism towards black people is being talked about, no one is saying that other groups have not had to endure discrimination as well. No one is saying that as a white man, you have participated in this discrimination. I grew up a white, middle to upper middle class, white male. I am fairly intelligent, fairly attractive (IMO), average height, from a loving family. I am pretty sure that I have never been discriminated against for anything. I am also pretty sure that I have never discriminated (at least to my knowledge) against anyone else for their skin color, gender, sexual orientation, political affiliation, or lack of charismatic good looks. That being said, I don't see why discrimination can't be talked about without people taking offense to it, or thinking that they or people they know haven't had just as hard a life. Josh I can only speak for myself. I get "up in arms" about it because I grew up amongst poor white trash to be perfectly honest. I saw how some of us struggled to rise above it but very few of us made it out. Only unusual intelligence and drive got me where I am. To have additional barriers put in our way because we were white was ridiculous. I would have loved to gotten more scholarships to go to college, but I'm not a minority or a woman. I had to work full time and it took me 8 very long years. I'm a better person for it and I appreciate what I have all the more, but I sure wouldn't chose that path for my kids. Go spend a week volunteering on a reservation and you might think a bit differently about things.
(This post was edited by csproul on Mar 1, 2012, 8:26 PM)
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Momo26
Mar 1, 2012, 7:09 PM
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I was socked and then not surprised by the rhetoric this question has brought to this forum. It has brought up questions and comments that make us all wonder, why a question like this is important or relevant to our culture? Its a hard thing to debate ignorance, though we have all tried to do so at some point in our lives.
Ignorance doesn't have empathy, education or tact. Ignorance is close minded and hurtful for selfish reasons. Ignorance will always try to demean others and hinder expression or love. Ignorance doesn't have respect or civility. But ignorance is important to show others what not to become. To set an example for intelligence, knowledge, experience, talent, and wisdom.
In short, the opposite of Ignorance is Awareness. Starting a dialogue about diversity has made more people aware that race in the outdoors is a hot topic of conversation. Who knew? Is a Denali climbing trip going to solve these issues, probably not. But to be aware that these issues exist is important. Everyone throughout history has tired to make a difference for the next generation be that their family, culture, or politics. Why not climbing?
(This post was edited by Momo26 on Mar 1, 2012, 7:14 PM)
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hobgoblin11
Mar 1, 2012, 8:23 PM
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rmsusa wrote: In reply to: Quite simply put.. because this is, was and always will be a cultural and socioeconomic issue.. not a racial issue. Just amazing! I work all over Latin America and this exact thing is what I see used to justify the most incredible kind of racism.
Well, based upon your anecdotal claim.. lacking examples, evidence or facts of any kind.. I have completely changed my mind about this entire matter. because its surely impossible your opinion could be biased or your perception way off..
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