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Hey All,

We just released a new online gear/pack weight calculator app. The app is connected to a fairly large database (> 6000 items) of outdoor gear weights, and its interface is in a simple checklist format. Click on the gear fields to open the gear lists in their respective categories. Then, just click on an item to add it to your virtual pack (or haul bag).

If you don't see your gear listed, no problem. If you happen to know its weight, you can enter your own gear and have it saved.

This app is totally free to use, and you don't need to register to use the basic calculator. However, if you do choose to register (still 100% free), you do get a few extra features.

As you'll see, we tried to have this app apply to a variety of activities, including backpacking and backcountry skiing, as well as both rock and ice climbing.

This app was just released for testing yesterday, so we're looking for anyone willing to help us expose any bugs, as well as offer constructive criticism (i.e. suggestions for improvement). We're still adding dozens of pieces of gear everyday. So, who's a Gear Head enough to try it out??

http://www.weighmygear.com

Many thanks in advance!


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GearMan wrote:
Hey All,

We just released a new online gear/pack weight calculator app. The app is connected to a fairly large database (> 6000 items) of outdoor gear weights, and its interface is in a simple checklist format. Click on the gear fields to open the gear lists in their respective categories. Then, just click on an item to add it to your virtual pack (or haul bag).

If you don't see your gear listed, no problem. If you happen to know its weight, you can enter your own gear and have it saved.

This app is totally free to use, and you don't need to register to use the basic calculator. However, if you do choose to register (still 100% free), you do get a few extra features.

As you'll see, we tried to have this app apply to a variety of activities, including backpacking and backcountry skiing, as well as both rock and ice climbing.

This app was just released for testing yesterday, so we're looking for anyone willing to help us expose any bugs, as well as offer constructive criticism (i.e. suggestions for improvement). We're still adding dozens of pieces of gear everyday. So, who's a Gear Head enough to try it out??

http://www.weighmygear.com

Many thanks in advance!

This is awesome. Almost as awesome as those machines you put a quarter into to tell you what your pulse is.

Jay


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Takes out a lot of the work and weighing that I do at home. Awesome for estimating your pack weight and improving your pack system. Nicely done! Just saved my first pack.


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Thanks for the feedback, guys. Certainly, let me know if you have any suggestions for improvement.


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jt512 wrote:
This is awesome. Almost as awesome as those machines you put a quarter into to tell you what your pulse is.

Jay




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Are the weights taken from the manufacturers listed weights or are they actual weights?


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TonyB3 wrote:
jt512 wrote:
This is awesome. Almost as awesome as those machines you put a quarter into to tell you what your pulse is.

Jay

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Generally, I promote unity and get-alongness, but you two are pretty damn funny. Please continue.


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Somehow, this photo

being in the "Gear Heads" forum seems appropriate.


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Yeah^^

(the Interweb is a twisted knot of confusion to me on some days)


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csproul wrote:
Are the weights taken from the manufacturers listed weights or are they actual weights?

Good question. Roughly 80 - 90% of the weight values are taken from the manufacturers' sites. The remaining items have been personally weighed by our staff.

Please notice, though, that this is also a community-contribution site. Registered users are encouraged to enter any outdoor-related gear they'd like, and, upon approval by our staff, the user-submitted gear will be ultimately added to the community database.

Our approval process is 2 steps: Step 1. Our staff quickly scans user-submitted entries to filter out the obvious inaccuracies, such as 100lb sleeping bags, profanity, etc. The gear that makes it through this quick filter is added to the public database, but it appears at the very bottom of the list, in yellow. This indicates it is a non-verified user-submitted item/weight. Then, Step 2, once our staff has the time to verify the user-submitted weight with the manufacturer, we'll bump it up into the main list.

Hope that answers your question.


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GearMan wrote:
Good question. Roughly 80 - 90% of the weight values are taken from the manufacturers' sites. The remaining items have been personally weighed by our staff.

What are you doing about different versions of the same thing?

For instance, I have the older Metolius Power Cams before they became "ultralight". Do you have the different weights for the different versions of the same item?


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TonyB3 wrote:
jt512 wrote:
This is awesome. Almost as awesome as those machines you put a quarter into to tell you what your pulse is.

Jay

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Could you stop the childish, personal attacks? Pretty lame, honestly.


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When applicable, we are including any distinguishing terms to the name of the item, to distinguish it from, using your example, an earlier generation.

So, in your case, if you'd like to enter your own Metolius Power Cams, I'd suggest adding "(1st Generation)", or whatever they are, to the end of the name.

In some cases, I've seen users use the "Size" field for a similar purpose, which can, sometimes, be appropriate.

Hope that answers your questio.!


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Very few climbers go anywhere with 5 or fewer carabiners. Needs a quantity option. There are quite a few gear options already entered, but many, many more are missing. I can't imagine this will go at all quickly without a search option for gear in the database.


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Hi antiqued,

Many thanks for your feedback, but I'm afraid you're mis-understanding the interface. The slots for 5 carabiners are actually for 5 different models of carabiners. There already is a quantity option. First, you select the item to place in your pack, and then, once it's in your pack, you can adjust its quantity. So, in the Climbing checklist, you can add 5 x 10 carabiners, for a total of 50 -- and that's just non-locking. You can then add an additional 50 locking carabiners.

Yes, we're aware that we're still missing a lot of gear in the database. We just released this test version 3 days ago, so we just started with 6000 items for testing. We just want to make sure all the functionality is working, more than anything, at this point. We have an additional 15000 items (yes, 15000) already in the database, but still needing their weights entered. Our staff is still adding (and will continue to add) up to 100 new pieces per day. Plus, this is also a user-contributed site. Yesterday, alone, members added over 100 new pieces of gear (across all activities).

Regarding the search you suggest, again, I'm afraid you didn't dive into the app far enough. Each item slot has its own search for all items (with weight values) within that category. By simply clicking on an empty slot, the app generates a list of all related items for that slot. To narrow the list, simply start typing any part of the item name, and it will be found. If I misunderstood you, and you were suggesting something different, please clarify -- we really want to continually improve this.

I hope this addresses your concerns.


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This is really cool, thanks for creating it.

Question though,

what if I wanted to bring more of an item that is only listed once, for example, two pairs of shoes. How can you enter this information into the calculator, can you add extra fields?


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ecade wrote:
This is really cool, thanks for creating it.

Question though,

what if I wanted to bring more of an item that is only listed once, for example, two pairs of shoes. How can you enter this information into the calculator, can you add extra fields?

Hi ecade -- good question. At this point, the checklists, themselves, are not user-defined. So, you can not add a new slot for shoes, yourself. However, that's why we're still in the testing phase -- to take and implement good suggestions, like yours.

So, let's get a second "shoes" slot added. Please clarify, though, in which checklist(s) you'd like to see the additional slot added. Also, just to be clear, please clarify if you're referring to "hiking shoes" or "climbing shoes".

While you're at it, let us know if you think any additional slot should be added.

Thanks again!


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Hey Gearman,

what about making it so that Users themselves could add fields to whatever list? I was talking about climbing shoes, but I guess also for hikes you may want a second pair (don't know, i rarely go for multday hiking trips)

But being Canadian and from Ontario, there is another sport i'd love to use this for, flat and whitewater canoe tripping. I have a few a lists from another iPhone App i used to use, I had to build the database myself, but i work for a camping and clothing company and almost all my gear is from them, so I had access to the raw data. If you are interested happy to send you the databases they are in excel. I don't know how many people in the USA (I'd assume only Minnesota cause they have the lake system like we do) enjoy the sport, but I know in Canada it is much more popular as the almost the entire country has whitewater playgrounds, remote rivers, and lakes just begging to paddled.
Trip or Die, its the secret Canadian National Anthem.


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ecade,

We're definitely going to add the flexibility of creating your own checklists in a future release, if all goes well with this initial version.

For now, though, I've added a slot for a second pair of climbing shoes to both the "Day Rock Climbing" and the "Big Wall Climbing' checklists. Hope that helps.

Yes, paddling gear and checklists have definitely crossed my mind, but frankly, I think they're at the bottom of the list. Next, we're just about to release a "Mountaineering/Expedition" checklist, which will be the most comprehensive, yet. Then, I'm thinking about moving into cycling, both road and mountain. Then, paddling. But that order may depend upon feedback, too.

Thanks, again, for contributing your ideas!


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Cool program, but your "big wall" section doesn't include any haul bags under packs.


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TarHeelEMT wrote:
Cool program, but your "big wall" section doesn't include any haul bags under packs.

Hey TarheelEMT,

Thanks for taking the time to offer your feedback. As you may have read, we're still in a test phase, and so we're still testing the waters in many areas, including how gear should be organized. At this point, we included haul bags under the "Climbing" gear in the "Big Wall" checklist. I think there are slots for at least 2, maybe 3, of them.

Thanks again!


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Gotcha. I'll take another look.


Aw man, my stuff isn't in there. FISH products are popular for wall climbing.

On first glance, other brands to add are Misty Mountain and Yates.


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TarHeelEMT wrote:
Gotcha. I'll take another look.


Aw man, my stuff isn't in there. FISH products are popular for wall climbing.

On first glance, other brands to add are Misty Mountain and Yates.

Sorry to hear that your stuff isn't in the database already, but providing us with brands you'd like to see, as you did, is great feedback. We'll add FISH, Misty and Yates very soon. Bear with us while we improve!


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It would be nice if the database was not limited in each outing category. For instance, I use a 68L Osprey Kestrel for "Day Rock Climbing," but your list only goes up to the 48L model in that outing category.

I checked, and your database does include the 68L model, but for some reason you have the database restricted to what you think people will use for a given outing category?

Any chance that you could change this? I don't really see the utility of the design as described.

Thank you!


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TarHeelEMT wrote:
Aw man, my stuff isn't in there. FISH products are popular for wall climbing.

On first glance, other brands to add are Misty Mountain and Yates.

Hey TarheelEMT,

We just entered the vast majority of Misty's "Recreational" line and roughly half of Yates' line, but we got bogged down on FISH's site -- it lists very little weight data. So, we've already sent emails to both Yates and FISH to request comprehensive data sheets from them.

Keep the suggestions coming! Thanks!


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ChessRonin wrote:
It would be nice if the database was not limited in each outing category. For instance, I use a 68L Osprey Kestrel for "Day Rock Climbing," but your list only goes up to the 48L model in that outing category.

I checked, and your database does include the 68L model, but for some reason you have the database restricted to what you think people will use for a given outing category?

Any chance that you could change this? I don't really see the utility of the design as described.

Thank you!

Hi ChessRonin,

Thank you very much for taking the time to offer your feedback. You raise a very good point, and it's a topic we debated quite a bit during development. That is, the topic of exactly how finely categorized items should be, as well as to what extent items should be cross-categorized within the checklists.

First, let me get right to the quick answer to your question. If you're carrying a 68L pack for your "Day Rock Climbing" outings, the quick and easy solution is to just start with the "Big Wall Climbing" checklist. It has everything the "Day Rock Climbing" checklist has and more, including full-size packs. Just don't fill in the extra slots for your day trips.

If you use this method, and if you're a registered member, you can still save the final product of the checklist (i.e. your final "packed" list) as, say, "My Day Climbing Pack", or anything arbitrary like that, to use for future reference.

Also, when printing or sharing this list through the tool panel, only your "packed" gear will be listed -- those lists won't be cluttered with all of those slots you left blank.

The bottom line is, you shouldn't feel so constrained by just the name of the checklist. In other words, just because you use the "Big Wall Checklist", it doesn't mean you need to go big wall climbing.

Now, if you care, here's why we designed the system like it is in this respect. As you can imagine, when developing an app like this, we need to consider not just one type of user, but countless types. Of course, I know you understand that, because you were suggesting increased flexibility. However, there are other factors, as well, including simplicity and clarity to novice users, as well as technical factors, such as data-load time. We are constantly challenged by finding a balance between all of these factors.

In this case, particularly in the case of packs, where do we draw the lines for categorizing the "day climbing" packs? While you carry a 68L pack on your day trips, I also know someone who carries a 25L messenger bag. If we were to include all of our packs within that range into one slot, the list would be over 1000 items long. Not only would this increase the data-load time, but we also felt this could be pretty overwhelming and confusing to novice climbers and hikers.

See, we intend for these lists to be used not only by experienced experts, like yourself, but by novices on their first day out (with a more-experienced friend), as well. In such a scenario, perhaps the experienced friend simply tells his/her novice friend to go check out weighmygear.com for an idea of what to bring on their day cragging trip. We want to avoid any confusion caused by what that user might see as the checklist suggesting a 68L pack for the typical day trip, let alone be faced with 1000+ packs in the list.

So, after much debate, we decided the current system satisfied the greatest number of factors. With the easy work-around I described, above, the system still has all the flexibility most people need.

I hope this addresses your concern. Please, if you have them, keep the questions and suggestions coming.


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Thank you for the detailed response. I certainly understand the design concerns, and your solution sounds very reasonable.

Thank you for building this cool tool!

-Brandon


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I haven't looked at the app but can you scan bar codes and have the weight entered? Or is that slower than just looking it up in the database?


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wwalt822 wrote:
I haven't looked at the app but can you scan bar codes and have the weight entered? Or is that slower than just looking it up in the database?

Great question. First, the quick answer: no, bar code scanning is not a feature in this test version.

However, bar code scanning has been much discussed among our development team. Realistically, though, depending on the response we get for the app, in general, I wouldn't anticipate the scanning feature for another couple of releases -- maybe another year.

Thanks for your feedback!

Edit: I should also answer the second part of your question... looking up gear is really pretty easy. Just start typing its name, or its manufacturer's name, to begin narrowing the list down to the item you're looking for.


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Meant to be as helpful as possible. Here is the problems.

Search fields for gear need an overhaul. I should be able to type in "Elios" and not get a blank screen.

Rope weight does not work. I modified 1m to 70m and it was not reflected in the totals right away. This needs to be changed.

Needs an easier way to add a set of nuts or cams. Perhaps select a brand first, then sizes.

Your system needs to work fast if I'm going to use it. I have a spread sheet I made myself, and I can use it much faster than your new website.

My 2 hope it helps.


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