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GearMan


Mar 13, 2012, 11:13 AM
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ChessRonin wrote:
It would be nice if the database was not limited in each outing category. For instance, I use a 68L Osprey Kestrel for "Day Rock Climbing," but your list only goes up to the 48L model in that outing category.

I checked, and your database does include the 68L model, but for some reason you have the database restricted to what you think people will use for a given outing category?

Any chance that you could change this? I don't really see the utility of the design as described.

Thank you!

Hi ChessRonin,

Thank you very much for taking the time to offer your feedback. You raise a very good point, and it's a topic we debated quite a bit during development. That is, the topic of exactly how finely categorized items should be, as well as to what extent items should be cross-categorized within the checklists.

First, let me get right to the quick answer to your question. If you're carrying a 68L pack for your "Day Rock Climbing" outings, the quick and easy solution is to just start with the "Big Wall Climbing" checklist. It has everything the "Day Rock Climbing" checklist has and more, including full-size packs. Just don't fill in the extra slots for your day trips.

If you use this method, and if you're a registered member, you can still save the final product of the checklist (i.e. your final "packed" list) as, say, "My Day Climbing Pack", or anything arbitrary like that, to use for future reference.

Also, when printing or sharing this list through the tool panel, only your "packed" gear will be listed -- those lists won't be cluttered with all of those slots you left blank.

The bottom line is, you shouldn't feel so constrained by just the name of the checklist. In other words, just because you use the "Big Wall Checklist", it doesn't mean you need to go big wall climbing.

Now, if you care, here's why we designed the system like it is in this respect. As you can imagine, when developing an app like this, we need to consider not just one type of user, but countless types. Of course, I know you understand that, because you were suggesting increased flexibility. However, there are other factors, as well, including simplicity and clarity to novice users, as well as technical factors, such as data-load time. We are constantly challenged by finding a balance between all of these factors.

In this case, particularly in the case of packs, where do we draw the lines for categorizing the "day climbing" packs? While you carry a 68L pack on your day trips, I also know someone who carries a 25L messenger bag. If we were to include all of our packs within that range into one slot, the list would be over 1000 items long. Not only would this increase the data-load time, but we also felt this could be pretty overwhelming and confusing to novice climbers and hikers.

See, we intend for these lists to be used not only by experienced experts, like yourself, but by novices on their first day out (with a more-experienced friend), as well. In such a scenario, perhaps the experienced friend simply tells his/her novice friend to go check out weighmygear.com for an idea of what to bring on their day cragging trip. We want to avoid any confusion caused by what that user might see as the checklist suggesting a 68L pack for the typical day trip, let alone be faced with 1000+ packs in the list.

So, after much debate, we decided the current system satisfied the greatest number of factors. With the easy work-around I described, above, the system still has all the flexibility most people need.

I hope this addresses your concern. Please, if you have them, keep the questions and suggestions coming.


ChessRonin


Mar 13, 2012, 11:46 AM
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Thank you for the detailed response. I certainly understand the design concerns, and your solution sounds very reasonable.

Thank you for building this cool tool!

-Brandon


wwalt822


Mar 14, 2012, 2:50 PM
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I haven't looked at the app but can you scan bar codes and have the weight entered? Or is that slower than just looking it up in the database?


GearMan


Mar 14, 2012, 2:56 PM
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wwalt822 wrote:
I haven't looked at the app but can you scan bar codes and have the weight entered? Or is that slower than just looking it up in the database?

Great question. First, the quick answer: no, bar code scanning is not a feature in this test version.

However, bar code scanning has been much discussed among our development team. Realistically, though, depending on the response we get for the app, in general, I wouldn't anticipate the scanning feature for another couple of releases -- maybe another year.

Thanks for your feedback!

Edit: I should also answer the second part of your question... looking up gear is really pretty easy. Just start typing its name, or its manufacturer's name, to begin narrowing the list down to the item you're looking for.


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Colinhoglund


Mar 27, 2012, 6:16 PM
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Meant to be as helpful as possible. Here is the problems.

Search fields for gear need an overhaul. I should be able to type in "Elios" and not get a blank screen.

Rope weight does not work. I modified 1m to 70m and it was not reflected in the totals right away. This needs to be changed.

Needs an easier way to add a set of nuts or cams. Perhaps select a brand first, then sizes.

Your system needs to work fast if I'm going to use it. I have a spread sheet I made myself, and I can use it much faster than your new website.

My 2 hope it helps.

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