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billcoe_


Aug 15, 2012, 10:01 PM
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Like they said in the 60s or 70s, "love it or leave it."

If you choose to stay, help make it a better place by providing real solutions instead of complaints about how things are handled. Complaining isnít a solution.

BULLSHIT! Complaining IS the solution. Speak up and stop this police state crap. The answer to the question "Does the US Government have the right to kill it's own citizens?" is No. Read the fucking constitution.


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Aug 15, 2012, 11:13 PM
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billcoe_ wrote:
guangzhou wrote:
Like they said in the 60s or 70s, "love it or leave it."

If you choose to stay, help make it a better place by providing real solutions instead of complaints about how things are handled. Complaining isnít a solution.

BULLSHIT! Complaining IS the solution. Speak up and stop this police state crap. The answer to the question "Does the US Government have the right to kill it's own citizens?" is No. Read the fucking constitution.

Complaining isn't the way to make change in anything. No one listens to people who complain, they listen to people who voice ideas and give a solutions. One is a whiner, the other an activist.

As for reading the Constitution, I have, more than once actually. I bet most American's haven't read beyond the "Bill of Rights" if even those.

Maybe you should read the Oath all Service Members take. You know, the guys who protect the American Constitution.

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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


billcoe_


Aug 16, 2012, 7:37 PM
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guangzhou wrote:
Maybe you should read the Oath all Service Members take. You know, the guys who protect the American Constitution.

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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
You need to come up with a better put down than that LOL. I've spoken that oath getting sworn into the army: have you? Citizens or soldiers are under no obligation to violate the law no matter if the President himself is giving the order. So in this case, I'm going with the "upholding the constitution" part. Having read the thing more than once, I can assure you that taking a US citizens life by fiat, and avoiding due process of law, is violating what is the underpinning of our country and way of life. All else follows the rule of law. Killing this man violates our constitution and thus is illegal. The President, a constitutional scholar, must feel otherwise. Is our country that weak that we can't take some badmouthing by a single citizen and he must be kill immediately via Presidential order?

They could have indited the douchbag in absentia, and later offed him when he failed to show or the court case was dismissed as there was no reply. I have no love for guy. I just don't like the way he was tried in the newspapers and via opinion, rumor and innuendo and then despite his denials in the same newpapers, summarily executed. Shit, it's almost enough to donate money to the ACLU. Sometimes you just need to trust those running the county (and I don't think Obama has done as bad of a job as many make out) and take their word on things. IMO, this isn't one of those things.

BTW, I can love it and complain about this or that, and not leave it. So I'm not leaving it. Don't like it? Tough shit. My Grandfather (same name) was a Marine who served in the trenches in WW1. My father (same name) served in the 8th army air corp that saw huge losses of men flying up on the Luftwaffes ass up the Rhine in WW2. He was in for the full ride the whole time. I got lucky and got a free ride as the world was peaceful. I did get offered a bunch of scratch to be a merc when I got out but turned up my nose. Regardless, all 3 of us volunteered for the bullshit and did it cause someone needs too step up and get the job done.
What was learned from all that? Don't keep naming your kids bill coe. So my wife and I didn't do it to my boy and he's been avoiding the military...for now. It's his call.

You appear to have left the country. I can appreciate your deep love for our country, and don't want you to think I don't respect your opinion or obvious love of country. You're wrong on this, but that's what makes the country great. That we can argue and no matter what, I don't get snuffed for my views and big mouth....wait, that's exactly the reason why they killed Al al-awaladickhead there. [/off soapbox}

Never mind the last part buddy. Just remember the part that I'm right and you're wrong and if we ever connect I'll buy you a beer or two in friendship and we can continue the discourse after a lap or 2 out on the rock.

Take care!


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Aug 17, 2012, 3:45 PM
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guangzhou wrote:
No one listens to people who complain, they listen to people who voice ideas and give a solutions.

No "they" listen to money or people who can deliver votes, "they" don't give a crap about ideas.

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