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150 years ago today the Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamaition.




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Classic political B.S. from the left (from Wiki - natch):
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The Emancipation Proclamation is an executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, during the American Civil War using his war powers. It was not a law passed by Congress. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the ten states then in rebellion, thus applying to 3.1 million of the 4 million slaves in the U.S. at that time. The Proclamation immediately freed 50,000 slaves, with nearly all the rest (of the 3.1 million) freed as Union armies advanced. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not itself outlaw slavery, and did not make the ex-slaves (called freedmen) citizens.

1) Executive Fiat - not through the right channels
2) Applied to states in rebellion (and therefore not under Federal Control) - taking someone else's stuff who didn't even want to be there.
3) Federal mandate overwriting states rights
4) Unfunded mandate
5) Didn't even outlaw that most despicable institution - slavery

I can't imagine how the Fox News of the day would have reacted. All of Bullshit Mountain would have erupted.


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Still, it remains one of the most heroic political moves of the 19th century and it will be lauded throughout time as a superiorly moral stand against the ugliness and inhumanity of a deplorable institution.

Well, that and the beautiful check it placed on the French and British not to come in and recognize and trade with the CSA (above board.)


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pinktricam wrote:
Still, it remains one of the most heroic political moves of the 19th century and it will be lauded throughout time as a superiorly moral stand against the ugliness and inhumanity of a deplorable institution.

Well, that and the beautiful check it placed on the French and British not to come in and recognize and trade with the CSA (above board.)


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This has to be one of the more ahistorical arguments of the current conservative movements.


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Forget Abraham Lincoln the vampire slayer. Abraham Lincoln is the ultimate RINO.


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dr_feelgood wrote:
This has to be one of the more ahistorical arguments of the current conservative movements.

Interesting because I didn't know that.

I was merely commenting on historical facts.


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pinktricam wrote:
Still, it remains one of the most heroic political moves of the 19th century and it will be lauded throughout time as a superiorly moral stand against the ugliness and inhumanity of a deplorable institution.

Well, that and the beautiful check it placed on the French and British not to come in and recognize and trade with the CSA (above board.)

that's rich coming from you.


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macherry wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
Still, it remains one of the most heroic political moves of the 19th century and it will be lauded throughout time as a superiorly moral stand against the ugliness and inhumanity of a deplorable institution.

Well, that and the beautiful check it placed on the French and British not to come in and recognize and trade with the CSA (above board.)

that's rich coming from you.
Really?
Why?


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To try to connect the original Republican party with today's is not reasonable. Or for that matter the republican party before Reagan. (or even under Reagan)

However I do agree that the EP was one of America's finer moments.


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Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.


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skiclimb wrote:
To try to connect the original Republican party with today's is not reasonable. Or for that matter the republican party before Reagan. (or even under Reagan)

However I do agree that the EP was one of America's finer moments.

I don't believe that's what she was driving at.


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Still, it remains one of the most heroic political moves of the 19th century and it will be lauded throughout time as a superiorly moral stand against the ugliness and inhumanity of a deplorable institution.

Or as today's Republicans would call it, a mistake.

Curt


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Pinky's lame attempt to play naive patriot in this thread is almost endearing.
It is, however, certainly nauseating.


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You'll be okay...try some Zoloft.


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pinktricam wrote:
You'll be okay...try some Zoloft.

You'll be OK too...try reality.

Curt


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Coincidently enough, I'm living some great reality at the moment :)


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pinktricam wrote:
Still, it remains one of the most heroic political moves of the 19th century and it will be lauded throughout time as a superiorly moral stand against the ugliness and inhumanity of a deplorable institution.

Well, that and the beautiful check it placed on the French and British not to come in and recognize and trade with the CSA (above board.)

Agreed... However, for the most part, the Parties have switched, in the sense that most of what each party currently stands for is the opposite of back when Abe was in office. In other words, it is the Democrats who are doing today what Abe did back then. The "Conservative Right" wants a Theocracy, but where the economy favors the rich... So how do the minority of rich Repubs get the vote of the vast majority of poor Repubs? "Social Conservatism" buzz words, and impossible promises (12 million jobs, cheap gas, and $$$ for all) and they buy it up hook, line and sinker.

Even Reagan's policies would be shunned by most of the Conservative Right whack jobs of today, yet they still deify him.


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pinktricam wrote:
Coincidently enough, I'm living some great reality at the moment :)

You've finally said something true: Any relation between your life and reality is purely a coincidence.

Jay


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Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

Actually, today's Rubepublicans only have to reach back < 30 years for greatness in the person of that super hero, Ronnie Reagan. He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

On a side note, I noticed that Republicanism is "working" once again here in the Swing State of Florida. that is to say, its machine is working. The Orlando Sentinel (the local leftist political rag) has endored...wait...for...it...yep, that's right, Mittens!

I have to admit, I was surprised. They've been a strong pro-O fan since '08.

Orlando Sentinal Endorses Rmoney

CNN wrote:
The Florida newspaper cited "anemic" economic growth and a growing poverty rate as reasons to throw their support behind the GOP candidate as opposed to President Barack Obama, which they did in 2008.

Guys, I think it's time to begin wondering why your "boy's on the ropes?"


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...He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

Uhh... no. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge of 20th century Soviet history knows that the USSR failed completely on its own. They would have collapsed with Raygun in office, and they would have collapsed with the corpse of Millard Fillmore in office.

Furthermore, Reagan talked like a Hawk, but really wasn't all that aggressive in foreign policy. He fricking pulled out of Lebanon after the bombing of marine barracks there; OMG, he was soft on terrorism!


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camhead wrote:
Anyone with even a hint of knowledge...

Ummm... Remember who you are replying to.


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camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
...He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

Uhh... no. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge of 20th century Soviet history knows that the USSR failed completely on its own. They would have collapsed with Raygun in office, and they would have collapsed with the corpse of Millard Fillmore in office.

I laughed at the idea that Reagan single-handedly brought down USSR. To have such power... wow!


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lena_chita wrote:
camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
...He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

Uhh... no. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge of 20th century Soviet history knows that the USSR failed completely on its own. They would have collapsed with Raygun in office, and they would have collapsed with the corpse of Millard Fillmore in office.

I laughed at the idea that Reagan single-handedly brought down USSR. To have such power... wow!


Ron is on his way to becoming one of the deities in the Pantheon of Republican Gods... Just below Jesus, but way above Eastwood and Nuggent (since they are still alive). This is why many Republitards regularly 'invoke' his name, when trying to add authority to their arguments.

Currently though, he is just a Saint:



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lena_chita wrote:
camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
...He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

Uhh... no. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge of 20th century Soviet history knows that the USSR failed completely on its own. They would have collapsed with Raygun in office, and they would have collapsed with the corpse of Millard Fillmore in office.

I laughed...

Good. That was the idea.


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pinktricam wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
...He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

Uhh... no. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge of 20th century Soviet history knows that the USSR failed completely on its own. They would have collapsed with Raygun in office, and they would have collapsed with the corpse of Millard Fillmore in office.

I laughed...

Good. That was the idea.

don't worry, we're laughing at you, not with you.


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camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
...He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

Uhh... no. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge of 20th century Soviet history knows that the USSR failed completely on its own. They would have collapsed with Raygun in office, and they would have collapsed with the corpse of Millard Fillmore in office.

I laughed...

Good. That was the idea.

don't worry, we're laughing at you, not with you.

am I the only one who read this part?


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camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
...He virtually single-handedly destroyed the Soviet Empire...well, that and the fact that he happened to be the very charismatic president in office just as the piss poor political, social and economic ideology of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky's Communism was reaching its inevitable collapse. But, who knows, his hawkish foriegn policy may even of had a little to do with it, eh?

Uhh... no. Anyone with even a hint of knowledge of 20th century Soviet history knows that the USSR failed completely on its own. They would have collapsed with Raygun in office, and they would have collapsed with the corpse of Millard Fillmore in office.

I laughed...

Good. That was the idea.

don't worry, we're laughing at you, not with you.

No worries...same here!


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camhead wrote:
Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

Which was also when Evangelical Christians campaigned for equal rights for women, prison reform, improved working conditions for workers and the expansion of universal, publicly funded education. Funny how times have changed, eh?

Curt


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Jesus is an American according to Mormonism, I for one, will welcome our new holy-underwear wearing overlords with open arms.


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curt wrote:
camhead wrote:
Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

Which was also when Evangelical Christians campaigned for equal rights for women, prison reform, improved working conditions for workers and the expansion of universal, publicly funded education. Funny how times have changed, eh?

Curt

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.~Ronald Reagan


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pinktricam wrote:
curt wrote:
camhead wrote:
Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

Which was also when Evangelical Christians campaigned for equal rights for women, prison reform, improved working conditions for workers and the expansion of universal, publicly funded education. Funny how times have changed, eh?

Curt

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.~Ronald Reagan


You "ignorant" retard... That is a bastardized quote from Mark Twain:
"The trouble with the world isn't that people know too little, but that they know so much that just ain't so."
~Mark Twain

So... Now you are showing us that "Ronnie" was a plagiarist, or, you are just too stupid to recognize it?


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So... Now you are showing us that "Ronnie" was a plagiarist, or, you are just too stupid to recognize it?

Both actually.

Curt


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I don't really care where the original quote came from, the fact is it's a truism.


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Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

You might want to pick up a copy of James Oakes, Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865. It'll go a long way in dispelling some of the myths you appear to be teaching.


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Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

You might want to pick up a copy of James Oakes, Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865. It'll go a long way in dispelling some of the myths you appear to be teaching.

Like what? I've read several reviews of the book (have not read it yet, though), and it does not appear to contradict anything that I said above.


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camhead wrote:
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camhead wrote:
Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

You might want to pick up a copy of James Oakes, Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865. It'll go a long way in dispelling some of the myths you appear to be teaching.

Like what? I've read several reviews of the book (have not read it yet, though), and it does not appear to contradict anything that I said above.


You do remember that pinkie has a filter that basically polarizes any data to fit the polarity he choses, right? It really doesn;t matter WHAT goes in, as only ONE thing comes out of that filter.


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camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
camhead wrote:
Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

You might want to pick up a copy of James Oakes, Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865. It'll go a long way in dispelling some of the myths you appear to be teaching.

Like what? I've read several reviews of the book (have not read it yet, though), and it does not appear to contradict anything that I said above.


You do remember that pinkie has a filter that basically polarizes any data to fit the polarity he choses, right? It really doesn;t matter WHAT goes in, as only ONE thing comes out of that filter.

More important, I think we all know why pinkie is staying out of the soapbox for the last few days.


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camhead wrote:
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camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
camhead wrote:
Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

You might want to pick up a copy of James Oakes, Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865. It'll go a long way in dispelling some of the myths you appear to be teaching.

Like what? I've read several reviews of the book (have not read it yet, though), and it does not appear to contradict anything that I said above.


You do remember that pinkie has a filter that basically polarizes any data to fit the polarity he choses, right? It really doesn;t matter WHAT goes in, as only ONE thing comes out of that filter.

More important, I think we all know why pinkie is staying out of the soapbox for the last few days.

I think what happened in Newtown just sux...

But when I heard of the guy a couple days before in Florida (I think) who, with his CCL and gun, decided to complain about some loud music coming from a car of "blacks", felt threatened, then shot into the car, killing one... I couldn't help but think of pinkie. Looks like a well fed Southern Christian Redneck too.


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camhead wrote:
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Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

You might want to pick up a copy of James Oakes, Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865. It'll go a long way in dispelling some of the myths you appear to be teaching.

Like what? I've read several reviews of the book (have not read it yet, though), and it does not appear to contradict anything that I said above.


You do remember that pinkie has a filter that basically polarizes any data to fit the polarity he choses, right? It really doesn;t matter WHAT goes in, as only ONE thing comes out of that filter.

More important, I think we all know why pinkie is staying out of the soapbox for the last few days.

Yeah, I work at two hospitals AND I'm trying to get a couple of pieces of art for a show next month....I just don't have the time for your stupid shit.

Read the book and you'll see what I'm talking about with Lincoln and the EP.


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pinktricam wrote:
camhead wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
camhead wrote:
pinktricam wrote:
camhead wrote:
Yup, to get legitimacy of their party, today's republicans have to reach back 150 years to a guy who advocated big government, handouts to minorities, federally funded railways, land giveaways, and who on top of all that slept with a man on at least one occasion.

You might want to pick up a copy of James Oakes, Freedom National: The Destruction of Slavery in the United States, 1861-1865. It'll go a long way in dispelling some of the myths you appear to be teaching.

Like what? I've read several reviews of the book (have not read it yet, though), and it does not appear to contradict anything that I said above.


You do remember that pinkie has a filter that basically polarizes any data to fit the polarity he choses, right? It really doesn;t matter WHAT goes in, as only ONE thing comes out of that filter.

More important, I think we all know why pinkie is staying out of the soapbox for the last few days.

Yeah, I work at two hospitals AND I'm trying to get a couple of pieces of art for a show next month....I just don't have the time for your stupid shit.

Read the book and you'll see what I'm talking about with Lincoln and the EP.

Please tell me about how the objectives and means by which Lincoln began emancipation in 1863 contradict anything that I typed up-thread.


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