That ship has come and gone so many times as to be a joke in the industry as is starting companies, racking up payables, and bailing to do it serially. If you've missed the endemic plagiarism all along then either you weren't around, weren't paying attention, or were blind.

I did not ask about the bolded part, as that is not been brought up in this thread.

I am asking about the charges against Mad Rock of plagiarism. It's not that I don't believe you; I simply am not aware, but would like to be informed.

I didn't get into climbing until May of 2007, so I haven't been around that long. Since then, I have only used La Sportiva and Scarpa climbing shoes - nothing from Mad Rock.

What did I miss or not notice?

Against Climb X, not Mad Rock. Mad Rock was the plaintiff/ victim.

http://www.dpmclimbing.com/...against-climb-x-gear

The Case of Mad Rock vs. Climb X:

Joe Garland was a Marketing and Sales Manager for Mad Rock during the years of 2002-2009. During his tenure, Garland attended trade shows and over saw the in-house sales staff. In his position at Mad Rock, Garland was allegedly privy to classified information including athlete contacts, business contracts, patent information, and overall company branding standards. He worked for the company from 2002-2009, then in 2010 he departed to pursue new ventures. Upon Garland’s departure, Mad Rock alledges that his desk was cleared out and allegedly a lap top computer was found to be missing. The hard drive of the computer allegedly contained sensitive customer information, as well as photographs of Mad Rock’s products and other proprietary information, including their graphic design and branding standards. The alleged computer was never recovered.

Garland reappeared on the climbing scene months later and launched a new climbing company called Climb X, which was registered in Canada as Climb-X Sports Inc. The new company that Garland formed had undeniably striking similarities to Garland’s past employer Mad Rock. The newly released Climb X ads depicted product photos which are identical to Mad Rock products.

Yes, you are misinformed - this is definitely a divorce between tweedledee and tweedledum. Before this divorce their collective behavior against other manufacturers was exactly the same as what you are now seeing against each other. I find in-turn familial cannibalism fairly amusing and karmic.

Yes, you are misinformed - this is definitely a divorce between tweedledee and tweedledum. Before this divorce their collective behavior against other manufacturers was exactly the same as what you are now seeing against each other. I find in-turn familial cannibalism fairly amusing and karmic.

What did Mad Rock copy?

If you invert that the answer could be a tweet.

I don't know what your problem is, but you keep spouting accusations with nothing to support them with. Give us something to work with and let us decide for ourselves.

Your problem is you're blind or just not paying attention.

Gave them a try today took a whipper on a #2... didn't budge. Probably wouldn't have spent my own money supporting Climb X, but for what its worth they get the job done.

What healy has alluded to like 10 times but seems unwilling to actually say is that the Mad Rock guys used to work for 5.10. Walked out the door one day and started Mad Rock, with a shoe line strikingly similar to the 5.10s of the day.

What healy has alluded to like 10 times but seems unwilling to actually say is that the Mad Rock guys used to work for 5.10. Walked out the door one day and started Mad Rock, with a shoe line strikingly similar to the 5.10s of the day. Except made in china, about 2/3rds the price, and pretty low quality. I don't know who they ripped their carabiners off from, but they pretty much suck too.

I think Mad Rock started in like 2002 or so? So if you weren't climbing then... it isn't surprising that you didn't notice.

(I'm noticing that Healey is having a hard time with specific data points, and rather restates broad assumptions based on circumstantial evidence. Was he working for the GOP this past election cycle?).

That'll hit Joe right below his political belt.