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Poll: What are the most important characteristics in a climbing sock?
Ultra thin and durable 8 / 11%
They are made of a breathable material 4 / 5%
They need to wick away moisture so my feet stay dry 12 / 16%
Comfortability and style 2 / 3%
I'm a purist and it's bare feet or nothing 50 / 66%
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I created a unique pair of socks to wear under tight climbing shoes called Breezy Socks. I wanted to find out what real climbers think would be the most critical features needed in a climbing sock in lieu of wearing no socks or regular sports socks.

After you have taken the survey, I'd appreciate any comments you'd care to offer.
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I created a unique pair of socks to wear under tight climbing shoes called Breezy Socks. I wanted to find out what real climbers think would be the most critical features needed in a climbing sock in lieu of wearing no socks or regular sports socks.

After you have taken the survey, I'd appreciate any comments you'd care to offer.

If you can fit a pair of socks under your tight-fitting shoes, then they shoes are not tight.

I personally don't see myself buying a pair.

I think the sock might be a good idea for less-tight multi-pitch shoes that you would wear all day long.


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BreezySocks wrote:
I created a unique pair of socks to wear under tight climbing shoes called Breezy Socks. I wanted to find out what real climbers think would be the most critical features needed in a climbing sock in lieu of wearing no socks or regular sports socks.

After you have taken the survey, I'd appreciate any comments you'd care to offer.
7 votes so far and 100% say no to wearing socks. I think you have your answer.


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I need socks with my climbing shoes like I need socks with my flip-flops ... which is to say, not at all.

Climbers do not perceive a need to wear socks. What need are you trying to fill?


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No socks for me since 1978.

Though those mid-calf tube socks were pretty pimp.


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I am fulfilling a need that I have as a climber where I hate having stinky feet and climbing shoes and the occasional blister. I also don't like the possibility of picking up athletes foot at a climbing gym by walking around or belaying in bare feet.

The replies I've received on this post are pretty much what i expected for climbers who've never tried these socks. Once people put them on and climb in them, they thank me profusely and I receive testimonials like the ones on my Blog tab at my website: www.breezysocks.com


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What do these do that polypro liner socks wouldn't? Like others I don't wear socks anyways.


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You'd have to try them once to discover what the other climbers have found the first time they climb in them. You can read more about them at my website and see the testimonials on the Blog tab: www.breezysocks.com


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dynosore wrote:
What do these do that polypro liner socks wouldn't?
Gives a salesman with a product of dubious if any merit the excuse to SPAM a discussion forum.


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That wasn't my intention. I was simply answering the question. If I was trying to "sell" my product I would have just started a discussion in the gear head section instead of asking for real opinions.


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If you've already created the socks, then why ask for people's thoughts as to the most important features? Surely you should have done that months ago before creating your product as part of your market research.

Seems like a thinly veiled attempt at spammage, IMO.


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I had actually dreamed these up for another purpose; to wear with leather sandals and shorts. One of my climbing buddies lamented one day about his stinky climbing shoes and so I wanted to see how they worked for climbing and it turns out they were perfect. That's why I'm stuck doing this kind of research for real climbers, after the fact.

mikebee, if you send me an email with an address, I'll send you a free sample to try for yourself. breezysocks@gmail.com. Just let me know black or brown. My name is Jeff


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I was all psyched to buy a pair, and then it turns out that you don't have any with stripes on the top. What the hell?!


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BreezySocks wrote:
mikebee, if you send me an email with an address, I'll send you a free sample to try for yourself. breezysocks@gmail.com. Just let me know black or brown. My name is Jeff

I'm not "mikebee" but if you send me a free sample I'll be happy to try them out and report back here. (And you won't have to send a pair of sock to Australia, either.)

My contact email is in my profile.


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I'll send you an email now. I appreciate you taking the time to take a look and comment.


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Made clicky http://www.breezysocks.com/

Thanks for bringing new stuff out Jeff. I have a use for socks some of these guys don't need or want: winter ascents. I have an oversized pair of old Red Chilli shoes that I use in the winter or on a long route I want comfort....with a pair of socks.
The center pair in the photo below as seen 3 years ago next to a new pair of the same model. 6th resole ... so far. Stitching is starting to go now.

However, I've been using the Wigwam Polypro socks and will note that it is thin, strong, wicks moisture and will most importantly reach further up my ankle so that when the winter winds are howling my ankles don't freeze.


Planet Granite is suppose to be putting in a gym close to my house, if they do, I'll look at your socks. Thanks for posting.

Bill


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BreezySocks wrote:
That wasn't my intention. I was simply answering the question. If I was trying to "sell" my product I would have just started a discussion in the gear head section instead of asking for real opinions.

So, I'm all about entrepreneurship and I'm not bashing your product. I am really curious what these are made of and what advantages they offer over Coolmax type socks. I can get wicking polypro socks off Sierra Trading Post for 2 bucks a pair vs. the 12 you want. Yours are better because ____________


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That's a fair question. Typical running or adventure socks are double knit which means there are two layers of material all around the foot. Breezy Socks are made of a single layer mesh material with a reinforced heel and toe for durability.

These socks are manufactured by Sock Guy in the USA and they are know for their high performance running and biking socks. This allows a single layer sock to be extremely thin, comfortable and very durable. This means you'll keep the sensitivity you need while climbing, but you also get the wicking, breathable material that keeps your feet and expensive climbing shoes relatively stink and blister free. They come in black and brown and are also the "no show" style that won't clash with your shoes. If standard athletic or running socks worked well, then I wouldn't have bothered, because I know that climbers are extremely cautious about breaking tradition by wearing socks while climbing.


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I've worn silk-thin merino wool socks on hot days and regular cotton tube socks on cold days. But mostly I climb without socks.

If anything, I'd want a sock for cold days that isn't too thick. If you can come up with something there I'd definitely be interested.


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BreezySocks wrote:
That's a fair question. Typical running or adventure socks are double knit which means there are two layers of material all around the foot. Breezy Socks are made of a single layer mesh material with a reinforced heel and toe for durability.

These socks are manufactured by Sock Guy in the USA and they are know for their high performance running and biking socks. This allows a single layer sock to be extremely thin, comfortable and very durable. This means you'll keep the sensitivity you need while climbing, but you also get the wicking, breathable material that keeps your feet and expensive climbing shoes relatively stink and blister free. They come in black and brown and are also the "no show" style that won't clash with your shoes. If standard athletic or running socks worked well, then I wouldn't have bothered, because I know that climbers are extremely cautious about breaking tradition by wearing socks while climbing.

Listen, some shoes and feet get stinky, I don't think socks will make much of a difference. For reference please smell my steel toed shoes I wear at work every day.

If you get blisters then your shoes don't fit your foots right (there shouldn't be enough room to allow rubbing like that).

The only time I wear socks is when it's really cold out. At that point I'm not interested in a pair of this socks, I need something to keep my feet warm. It is also of note that the shoes I might do this in are still tight enough that it will compress the sock and reduce it's warms, but a lot of the time the warm issue for me is just getting my feet out of my regular shoes and into my climbing shoes. I'm not as concerned when I'm actually climbing.


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BreezySocks wrote:
I had actually dreamed these up for another purpose; to wear with leather sandals and shorts.

Ok, nominating for best troll ever.


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You might have more success marketing "A single sock for men who want to climb in the nude when it is cold, or when children are about"


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The only time I wear sock climbing is when the temperature gets below 40*F. on a moderate multi pitch where I have have looser fitting shoes and a super this pair of smart wool do wonders for keeping my toes warm.


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I received two pairs of socks from Jeff today.

Tried the first pair tonight and I'll try the second pair with a different pair of shoes on Sunday.

After that I'll write up my mini-review and post it here.


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What's the ability range of the people who wear your socks to climb?


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I'm Norwegian and trolls are a supernatural being in Norse mythology and Scandinavian folklore. As a complete aside, I enjoyed your tongue in cheeks banter at your blog. I'm not just kissing assholeclimbers.com either!
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I originally thought about 10d climbers and below, but I've received some really positive feedback from advanced climbers who've tried them.

I will admit that one of the more advanced climbers at Planet Granite tried them and he said he wouldn't wear them because he lost a tiny bit of sensitivity. He's a 5.13 level climber so I'm ok with that even though he was my original climbing instructor.

I'm interested in acorneau's review as he's a climbing instructor.


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Well, if you send me a pair of socks, I can promise to have our crew review them on our site. See below for other reviews we've done.

Gnar Down Skirt
Bionic 8
BiWire
Smartwool Wind Briefs


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I think you'll have a hard time convincing experienced climbers that this is something they need. Few of us have perceived the need for socks in the past, and thus far you haven't provided any convincing reasons to change our thinking.

However, this is not to say that there is no market for your product. I see loads of crap at REI and other stores that could only be intended for unwitting noobs: crack gloves, hand strengthening gimmicks, etc. It comes down to knowing your target customer and marketing accordingly. Hell, for all I know you could have the next PAS on your hands.

Good luck.


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Well, your timing couldn't have been better. I just received a review on the blog of a competition level climber who I sent a few pairs to earlier in the week. You can take a look at it here: http://climberina.blogspot.com/.

I was talking to a friend of mine about the socks and she mentioned that her daughter had a friend who is a competitive climber and gave me her email address, which is how I was introduced to Galina: http://www.youtube.com/missjambalaya.


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As you can tell I'm not afraid to stick my head in the lion's mouth so heck yeah, I'll do it. Tell me to whom and to where I should send the samples. Also, your Smartwool Wind Briefs link is busted.


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BreezySocks wrote:
the most critical features needed in a climbing sock
Ease of removal since 98% of climbers do not wear socks with climbing shoes.


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As you can tell I'm not afraid to stick my head in the lion's mouth so heck yeah, I'll do it. Tell me to whom and to where I should send the samples. Also, your Smartwool Wind Briefs link is busted.

Smartwool Wind Brief

Sent you a PM and fixed link (I think).


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i know people who climb in socks that probably climb more and better than many RCers here ...

i personally dont use em ... but if someone uses em and they can climb hard ... who am i to tell em not to do it Wink

dont worry about what people on RC or other such intraweb sites think ... it tends to be a fun gongshow anyways Tongue


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I was preparing a snarky comment about promoting products on RC.com, when I remembered back a couple of years. I was discussing a solo leading device that I was developing. I never put it on the market, so I was not using the site for advertising, but I did get excellent feedback on my progress, with suggestions, etc.

Good luck, Breezy. The market will make or break you, but I wish you luck. I don't wear socks while climbing, because I never have and don't feel like I am suffering from the lack.


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Thank you and everyone else for the comments and encouragement. I certainly have learned quite a bit by this survey, but especially from everyone's comments, good and bad.

I'm interested to see a couple of the reviews from folks on this forum that asked for samples, which I sent them. That will tell me a lot too.


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I received two pair of socks in the mail form Jeff and my first thought was “Hey, he never asked for my shoe size to get the right fit.” The socks are actually designed as “one size fits most”, supposedly covering women’s 7 to men’s 13. I’m a size 9 in most shoes so they fit me just fine. The socks are very thin and stretchy with a decently soft feel on the feet.

Before going any further I should mention I have very sweaty hands and feet and I live in Houston where we usually have 60% humidity indoors with the AC running, so keep that in mind.

I took the first pair to the gym with me the same night they arrived. I wore the socks with my usual starter shoes, a pair of La Sportiva Arcos (the Velcro version of the ubiquitous Nago). Usually I wear these shoes for the first four or five warm-up climbs and then have to switch to my other shoes (Evolve Chaos) because the Arcos get too sloppy from the stretch of the soggy leather. The Chaos are synthetic, much tighter, and I’ve never felt the need for anything more secure so I put these on for all my harder climbs.

At first I could tell I was wearing a thin sock in my shoe but after a little while they melded into the foot/shoe interface and kind of disappeared. I had no problem keeping on the socks with what would be my “sloppy shoes” for the whole evening. I even felt very confident on small-footwork intensive climbs and a few 11d/12a projects, something I would normally only do in my Chaos.

Tonight I took the second pair up to the gym, this time wearing them with the Arcos for a few warm-ups and then switching over to the Chaos. The thin socks didn’t feel that big under the already tight fitting shoes but I could tell they were there. While I don’t think I got any performance boost wearing the socks with my Chaos they weren’t a nuisance either.

So here’s my findings...

If your feet don’t sweat or you only wear really tight shoes then you probably don’t need these socks at all.

If your feet sweat a lot and/or you wear shoes that aren’t so tight then these socks might help you keep better traction between your feet and the shoes once they get sweaty and slimy.

I don’t know if I would have ever tried socks with my climbing shoes and I probably would not have bought some solely for that purpose, but I’m glad I had a chance to try them out.

One suggestion to Jeff concerning, of all things, color... Nothing is more geeky than wearing black socks with shorts. Well, maybe black socks with sandals. Anyway, I highly recommend making some lighter colors available that aren’t so dorky looking and potentially cooler (temperature-wise) when climbing outside.


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Thanks acorneau for taking the time to test them in two different shoes and on different days and coming back and offering your very thorough review.

It's very fair and I definitely understand your request regarding the colors. As I mentioned before, I had originally created these to wear with nice shorts and leather sandals and most of those came in black or brown. I was trying to get them to blend in, instead of standing out. Now that the usage is much more defined towards rock climbing, I will definitely consider lighter colors. Thanks again!


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I've never worn these but thought you would like to see some of your competition. http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/socks.html


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The sock buyer for Metolius is currently evaluating Breezy Socks. I sent him samples on December 5th per his request and as you can imagine, I'm extremely curious as to what he has to say. I don't have any idea how they evaluate new products/vendors, but it's a start, right?

Thanks for pointing out the link as I had looked at those before contacting Metolius and those appear to be double knit like all other athletic socks.

No matter what Metolius says, I'll post their comments here once I receive them.


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I was out a few days back thinking of you. As I was sitting my ass on the freezing rock, my pants rode up. I was happy that my socks went up 7-8 inches as the wind that was whipping wasn't too bad on the ankles.



All the wet spots were frozen into ice, the wind always seems to be working hard in this area. No way in hell I'd buy a sock that didn't ride up my ankle a bit for this, my most used application for a climbing sock. I literally have a larger pair of shoes which I only use in the winter with socks. I use the Wigwam Gobi polypropylene liner socks. Love em.


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