I am Adam Lanza's mother

I found this to be a very thought provoking article on the mental health resources in this country.

That has been a problem for a while... The mentally ill suffer in prisons and homelss on the streets.

Not so long ago, they had other options.

Unfortunately, our 2 parties have 2 different takes on this... The Blue one is to provide them help, despite their inability to pay for it... The Red one is to save the $$$ and let em go to the streets.

Guns are, without a doubt, the problem.
Semi auto rifles have no place in the hand of civilians.

The white, middle class people who are commiting these mass shootings are not going to purchase guns on the black market.

Guns are, without a doubt, the problem.
Semi auto rifles have no place in the hand of civilians.

The white, middle class people who are commiting these mass shootings are not going to purchase guns on the black market.

Mental illness is definitely more of a problem than the guns. These people (regardless of race or class) have problems. You won't convince me otherwise.

To think these people are normal is fucking crazy. To think that gun control, and not access to help and / or proper diagnosis, is going to solve this alone is just as nuts.

These folks may not be able to kill a dozen or more people without easy access to guns, but they'd find a way to kill someone.

Had the assault rifle used to mow down those 20 children not been so easy to get they all might very well be alive today.

The "take away guns and they'll find other ways to kill people" arguement is tired and is not logical. How many mass murders in the US have been carried out by means other than guns? OKC is the only one I can think of.

Do people that think they have the right to own an assualt rifle believe their "right" is more important than the live's of the children that were murdered?

No, it's not tired and illogical. It happens. I agree that guns make it easier, and I agree that gun control would help, but I'm saying these people have problems that drive them to do this. It's crazy to think that they wouldn't do this if a gun didn't exist. To ignore the mental illness problem is completely nuts within itself.

And just because these examples below are from China doesn't mean it couldn't happen here either (nearly all were done with knives of some sort).
http://en.wikipedia.org/..._(2010%E2%80%932011)

Look, I have lived in several countries where violent crime is significantly worse and significantly better than in the U.S. (and I've been a victim, too). Having lived in the U.K. where the police don't even carry guns, I believe that tighter controls would help, and I'd rather live in a world where guns don't exist. However, I also have family members who hunt (not my thing, but it's theirs, fine). I can never imagine them doing anything other than hunting with that gun.

But these rampage murderers ARE NOT normal people with access to guns. They are SICK people with access to guns. Again, to ignore that is just fucking whacked.

It's crazy to think that without a gun a shooting killing spree couldn't happen?

I am Adam Lanza's mother

I found this to be a very thought provoking article on the mental health resources in this country.

Hey Pinkie, guess which US President most drastically cut federal funding for mental health?

I prefer to avoid gun debates. Doesn't seem to be any clear cut solution for me.

Even with government restrictions on gun-shops performing background checks before selling a weapon to individuals, I still see a major loophole in the system.

Private citizens selling guns to other private citizens. I don't mean black market deals or selling guns from the trunk of cars in dark alleys during the middle of the night either.

I mean picking up the newspaper, turning to the classified section of a newspaper and calling someone with a used gun for sell. legal and no background check.

"For sale, used Remington Model 770 30-06, passed on by my father, but I don't hunt." 500.00

Cheers
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I prefer to avoid gun debates. Doesn't seem to be any clear cut solution for me.

Even with government restrictions on gun-shops performing background checks before selling a weapon to individuals, I still see a major loophole in the system.

Private citizens selling guns to other private citizens. I don't mean black market deals or selling guns from the trunk of cars in dark alleys during the middle of the night either.

I mean picking up the newspaper, turning to the classified section of a newspaper and calling someone with a used gun for sell. legal and no background check.

"For sale, used Remington Model 770 30-06, passed on by my father, but I don't hunt." 500.00

Cheers
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it is possible to strengthen gun control and improve mental health care simultaneously you know. they are not mutually exclusive.

Unfortunately, the same politicians that won't even consider improving gun control are the same assholes that have gutted the mental health budget, and want to continue to gut mental health by way of cutting funding from medicaid.

Guns should absolutely have a title in the same way cars do, and penalties should be very severe for the original owner if they a sell a gun without the paperwork and it is used for a crime.

I am Adam Lanza's mother

I found this to be a very thought provoking article on the mental health resources in this country.

When I was stationed in Japan a Japanese tennis player decided to go on a killing spree. He did this by driving a truck into a crowd of people then got out and started stabbing people. Guns aren't the problem, people are. Its actually easier to commit vehicular homicide and get away with it than any other kind. Can we now pressure the government to take away everyone's cars?

You're an idiot.

If you actually pulled your head from your ass to read the thread, you'd see people talking about licensing guns and limiting private sale, just as we already do with cars.

Its funny because there's less maniacs driving their cars into crowds to get their killer jollies going than fucktards with guns who find it too easy to point it at a person, pull the trigger and lights out.

You're an idiot.

If you actually pulled your head from your ass to read the thread, you'd see people talking about licensing guns and limiting private sale, just as we already do with cars.

Its funny because there's are less fewer maniacs driving their cars into crowds to get their killer jollies going than fucktards with guns who find it too easy to point it at a person, pull the trigger and lights out.

Merry Christmas

Limiting car sales, thats a laugh. The only thing that limits car sales is the price. Any jack off can buy a car, you don't need a license or background check to purchase a vehicle. If you would take a moment to read my previous post you would notice that I wasn't opposing the governments control of firearms (all of mine are legally obtained and registered). I was stating that people will find a way to kill others with or without firearms and if you would open a history book you would see that humans have been killing each other for thousands of years just fine with blunt objects and sharp pointy things.

I will agree that killing with guns is easier, however I personally am not put off on the idea of killing with any number of things. Being that I believe I am a sane reasonable person I have to assume that there are any number of individuals out there who feel the same, sane or otherwise.

I'm sure most other murderous nut jobs think they're sane, and its the rest of the world that's crazy.

http://www.thestar.com/...ghters-in-n-y-ambush

Looks like you'll need to start arming firemen too, can't just give guns to teachers.

The shooter; a 61 year old mentally disturbed ex con who couldn't legally own a firearm.

The firearm he used; and 20 year old revolver owned by his sister (who lived with him). It was a .38 caliber that holds five rounds.

Damn Chad, I didnt think you were one of those "selective truth" types.

You left out the 2 other weapons he used. Please, since you know so much about guns, tell us more about those too.

Damn Chad, I didnt think you were one of those "selective truth" types.

You left out the 2 other weapons he used. Please, since you know so much about guns, tell us more about those too.

I'll even help you:

http://www.nytimes.com/...ewanted=all&_r=0

The shooter; a 61 year old mentally disturbed ex con who couldn't legally own a firearm.

The firearm he used; and 20 year old revolver owned by his sister (who lived with him). It was a .38 caliber that holds five rounds.

He also used bushmaster, I thought?



It is well-established statistics, that, rather than increase your safety, owning a gun makes you and/or your family members more likely to die or get injured in a gun-related incident.

Case in point-- Adam Lonza's mother (who owned her guns completely legally), was killed from the gun that she owned, her son, and 26 innocent people died in the bargain.

The link above also fits the same pattern.

Thanks for a more in depth link. What I had heard on NPR was that he had used a .38 revolver, the same he used to commit suicide with.

There was probably a bit of confusion about what weapon(s) he used for the shooting and what weapon he used to end his own life.

It is very interesting to see that the police are uncertain how he got the weapons as he can't legally purchase or own any. It' seems that he stole them, just like in the previous school shooting. Bad, bad things.

I know it's being nit picky but that data you're referring to says that owning a handgun makes you and/or your family members more likely to die or get injured in a gun-related incident.

it is possible to strengthen gun control and improve mental health care simultaneously you know. they are not mutually exclusive.

Unfortunately, the same politicians that won't even consider improving gun control are the same assholes that have gutted the mental health budget, and want to continue to gut mental health by way of cutting funding from medicaid.

I agree. I can't know how much it would have helped but it's too bad that people don't seem to lock up their firearms anymore.

Edit to add:

I know it's being nit picky but that data you're referring to says that owning a handgun makes you and/or your family members more likely to die or get injured in a gun-related incident.

I know it's not nit picking and you know it's not nit picking, but attempting to educate the slobs on this forum is a futile effort. All they know is what an ignorant and sensationalist media feeds them and the opportunistic, unpatriotic and un-American ideologies politicians rant about.

Sadly, 99% of them can't explain the difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle. I'd bet dollars to donuts that 100% of the blubberers here believe the "AR" in AR-15 means assault rifle!

Look how this thread has digressed; from a legitamate point on the very real state of affairs of this nation's mental health system to gun haters ill informed rants.

I agree. I can't know how much it would have helped but it's too bad that people don't seem to lock up their firearms anymore.

Selective quoting much?

You missed this part of chad's response:

For sale, used Remington Model 770 30-06, passed on by my father, but I don't hunt." 500.00.

Considering he was far away from the firefighters (it took hours to find him), I'd assume the revolver was for him and the bushmaster/shotgun combo to shoot the responders.

Hard to get good accuracy from far away with a revolver. Don't forget that he was sending a lot of bullets down, takes too long to reload a revolver when your goal is to "kill as many as possible"

Yes, that study specified handguns. But do you really think it would be different for others?

Yes I do.

Would you care to elaborate? What's the reasoning behind it?

Sadly, 99% of them can't explain the difference between an assault weapon and an assault rifle. I'd bet dollars to donuts that 100% of the blubberers here believe the "AR" in AR-15 means assault rifle!

I'm a gun owner. I don't know what "AR" stands for. I never thought it stood for assault rifle. I assumed it had something to do with manufacturing but never really gave a shit. I still don't care what it stands for. I even occasionally use the word "clip" instead of "magazine" because it pisses tightwads off that think that the terms used need to be exact because guns are serious business. (I also use "arrrg" for both "on belay" and "climbing" because it is similarly wrong.)

Since I'm working on weight loss, I'll take the dollars over the doughnuts.