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If you're an African-American mountaineer with vertical ice climbing experience I have an opportunity to share. A casting agent is looking for black climbers (18 to 45) to appear in a national television commercial. Please reply to this post if you're interested or know someone who might be for details.

At the risk of starting another heated discussion in this forum on the issue of race and mountaineering I'll ask that you please first read my recent story in Alpinist Magazine: http://www.alpinist.com/doc/ALP40/40-wired
Thanks!


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Reverse-racism creates racism.


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jbone, that kind of response was exactly what I had hoped to avoid. PLEASE take a moment to read my story in Alpinist. Direct marketing to a specific demographic is not racism reverse or otherwise. The media has very few positive depictions of African-Americans in mainstream advertising. This particular company is apparently trying to correct that. As a person of color and as a climber I would very much like to see more diversity when it comes to images of those involved in the sports I love. If films, television and magazines are to be believed there no blacks or hispanics involved in skiing or mountaineering. I can tell you from my personal experience that is not the case. To cry racism whenever we make a good faith effort to speak to a broader audience does nothing but stifle the discussion and inhibit progress.


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I did read your article, and I think its "poor me" journalism. If you go to Mexico and watch tv you will see Hispanics. If you go to China and watch tv you will see Chinese. If you go to Africa you will see Africans. Why is it when you are in America and you watch tv you don't see Americans? Maybe you need more friends who are white?


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I really didn't want to get into this kind of discussion but I suspected that it might happen. I suggest instead that I might be guilty of "poor us" journalism. Because in a nation whose wealth and social resources are disportionately distributed so clearly upon racial lines it's unfortunate for everyone. For those inlightened souls out there who claim not to "see color" they really should. America is a board pallat of many different races and ethnicities. So when I see a landscape in the media that is primarily white I don't see the America I know. I think we all suffer when we don't see color because in our modern times lack of racial diversity in America is a sign of weakness. Just ask the the Republican Party who suddenly came to realize how completely out of touch they have become by catering almost exclusively to the needs and the interests of a majority white consistuency. I believe that when it comes to outdoor recreation and the conservation movement we run the same risk. When it comes time for the new non-white majority to vote for wilderness preservation (that means climbing areas) after the year 2042 what's to stop them from electing to turn Yosemite and Joshua Tree into natural gas minning areas? If they are places they never go or even care about why on Earth would they fight to protect them? And please let's not make this personal. My friends are just that, neither white nor black, nothing more nothing less.


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JoyTrip wrote:
If you're a American-Caucasian mountaineer with vertical ice climbing experience I have an opportunity to share. A casting agent is looking for American-Caucasian climbers (18 to 45) to appear in a national television commercial. Please reply to this post if you're interested or know someone who might be for details.

At the risk of starting another heated discussion in this forum on the issue of race and mountaineering I'll ask that you please first read my recent story in Alpinist Magazine: http://www.alpinist.com/doc/ALP40/40-wired
Thanks!

See how nasty your own writing sounds when its tilted out of your favor?


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jbone wrote:
Why is it when you are in America and you watch tv you don't see Americans?

What TV are you watching? House (couldn't get an American actor good enough so had to hire an Englishman)? Masterpiece Theater?

When I watch TV I see Americans; as a Canadian I have some idea what it takes for non-Americans to get a work permit in America, so am not real surprised.

Or are you the kind of person who doesn't see an American when you look at the President? I mean, Hawaii is closer to China than America, come on! ;)


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Right now I'm watching the playoffs and I'm wondering where the fellows from India are? Quite a majority of African-Americans though..


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I suppose I understand how you might feel that way, but seriously. If I had simply written "mountaineer with vertical ice climbing experience" with no reference to race who exactly do you think would have responded in this forum? EVERYBODY! If we're going to have a real discussion can we not be so naive? We can't pretend that low African-American participation in mountaineering isn't a real issue. There's no one to blame. It's simply a stastical fact. So there's no point in getting "nasty" about it. All I'm asking is to have a rational conversation on how we might encourage a growing percentage of the population to share our passion for this sport.


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JoyTrip wrote:
We can't pretend that low African-American participation in mountaineering isn't a real issue. There's no one to blame. It's simply a stastical fact. So there's no point in getting "nasty" about it. All I'm asking is to have a rational conversation on how we might encourage a growing percentage of the population to share our passion for this sport.

The low percentage of African-American's participating in mountaineering is not an issue. To my knowledge there are no gyms or crags African-American's CANNOT use. African-American's have just as much right to climb anywhere any other race does, even Eskimo's.

I've personally made efforts to introduce African-American's to climbing but for some reason they end up on the football team instead. Something about more money in it. If only I could get in on that gig...


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jbone wrote:
Why is it when you are in America and you watch tv you don't see Americans?

jbone wrote:
Right now I'm watching the playoffs and I'm wondering where the fellows from India are? Quite a majority of African-Americans though..

Is it just me, or is there a contradiction here?

Or am I completely missing the point and your real complaint is with a lack of Native Americans (to whom you refer as "fellows from India"? You do know that while Columbus was searching for India, he didn't actually find it?) on TV?


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I don't want to wade into any race debate, in my experience anyone with a strong opinion rarely has it changed as a result, and normally more harm than good is done by well intentioned efforts to force change. Even the first "African-American" Everest submitter didn't want attention bought to the fact that they were African American, any more than the fact she was a woman, and maybe there's a message there?

According to your own figures James, the representation of non-caucasian park visitors and climbers is within 5% of the population representation. Not what I would consider a big "problem" but to each their own I guess.

I did want to comment however, as I believe this quote is completely false; "The image of the (white) climber makes sense because readers can readily draw on other images of climbers—George Leigh Mallory, Edmund Hillary, Reinhold Messner.... Other [nonwhite] narratives of adventure exist, but they are not readily available"

In fact the image below is one of the most famous images in mountaineering, and is of Tenzing Norgay who is, I can assure you, very much "non-white"




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PeteF wrote:
normally more harm than good is done by well intentioned efforts to force change

Would be interested in seeing your source for this statistic, or if based on personal experience (not entirely clear from your sentence construction), the anecdotal evidence.

Even if it were true, the question would then be whether efforts to force change in the area of racial equality are within the range of normal cases, or whether this is an area where change can bring more good than harm, as folks like Rosa Parks, Desmond Tutu, and Martin Luther King believed.

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anyone with a strong opinion rarely has it changed as a result

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
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JoyTrip wrote:
If you're an African-American mountaineer with vertical ice climbing experience I have an opportunity to share. A casting agent is looking for black climbers (18 to 45) to appear in a national television commercial. Please reply to this post if you're interested or know someone who might be for details....

I will pass your request on to my good friend, Juan. He organized the climbing trip that I photographed at Sandrock (AL) a couple of years ago. The link below is to some pictures of the trip on Facebook. None of us have any ice experience that I know of, but he is a serious athlete (MMA experience and a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu master). His daughter is also a climber, when she is not teaching martial arts.

Here are links to their Facebook pages:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pandemic-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-and-MMA-Academy/118984781450068

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.102360516443421.5164.100000084203643&type=3


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People like Hitler "Force" change.

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

Your in Germany eh? Would have figured this would be pretty clear in your neck of the woods.


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jbone wrote:
People like Hitler "Force" change.

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

Your in Germany eh? Would have figured this would be pretty clear in your neck of the woods.

Wow. Just wow...


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SWEET !!! ... nazi references, and not just grammar nazis either Wink

god i luuuuuuuuuv RC ... its sooo much fun on rainy dayz Tongue


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Low African-American participation in mountaineering isn't an issue because they can't participate, it's an issue because they don't pariticipate. Please understand that I have never asserted that there are people out there preventing people of color from climbing. As Sophie Danenberg says in my story African-American's self-select themselves out of spending time in nature. My question is why? Personally I have simply not gone certain places because I didn't want to be the only black person there. I don't know if you can imagine what that feels like but it is a powerful motivator that prevents people from doing many things they have every right to. But that's on me. I don't blame anyone for my own apprehension. What I would like to see though is more people of color get past any concerns they might have about the outdoors and spend more time in nature


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theguy wrote:
...Hawaii is closer to China than America, come on! ;)

Just out of curiosity, what map did you get that data from?


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WTF is the matter with this JBone nut?

Does he complain about the photoshoppery used in virtually EVERY major advertisement showing a human being, that it doesn't accurately portray the human form accurately?

Does it peeve him that even the dumbest, crudest men on tv shows seem to be able to have model-like wives and girlfriends?

The person posts a fucking casting call, fer god's sake, and he shits on the thread. Nothing better to do with his time?

Earth the JBone - casting calls are often very specific as to the people and other aspects of the shoot.


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Sounds like a cultural issue.

You can go out and make a commercial with a African-American tooling his way up some glacier but who are you making it for really? You already admit African-Americans are disinterested in outdoor pursuits in general so what would motivate them to watch a commercial involving outdoor pursuits they aren't interested in? Instead your making an ice climbing commercial where the people who do participate in the activity aren't represented at all.

To reflect on your statement regarding future government needing African-American's to support Federal land programs that preserve the nature of our pursuits. Its the White guys in government that want to dig up the land, not the Democrats. By your logic we need more white republicans to be associated with climbing to keep it from being taken away from us by our governments decisions later on down the road.

Not by any means do I subscribe to this train of thought, the government will take everything eventually no matter what we do.


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Your in the dark if you think I'm the only one who thinks this way.


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jbone wrote:
Your in the dark if you think I'm the only one who thinks this way.


I'll throw Jbone a bone. He DEFINITELY is NOT the only one thinking this way. And I would highly suspect that the majority of people that do think this way don't care enough to back him up so they won't post up.


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Also, what is up with the thread being titled "calling all climbers of color" and then asking specifically for black climbers? I'm not saying anything by this, except that it's goofy and odd.


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jbone wrote:
People like Hitler "Force" change.

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

Your in Germany eh? Would have figured this would be pretty clear in your neck of the woods.

Hey Jbone, shut the fuck up, you fucking racist, and please refer any other questions you may have to THIS BLOG RIGHT HERE YES CLICK it YOU FUCKING RACIST.

Seriously, leave and don't come back until you've read the entire site.

Oh, and if Hitler-like tactics could help you learn proper spelling and use of apostrophes, I say bring on the final solution, douchebag.


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camhead wrote:
jbone wrote:
People like Hitler "Force" change.

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

Your in Germany eh? Would have figured this would be pretty clear in your neck of the woods.

Hey Jbone, shut the fuck up, you fucking racist, and please refer any other questions you may have to THIS BLOG RIGHT HERE YES CLICK it YOU FUCKING RACIST.

Seriously, leave and don't come back until you've read the entire site.

Oh, and if Hitler-like tactics could help you learn proper spelling and use of apostrophes, I say bring on the final solution, douchebag.

Oh whoa dude, you just lost many points in my book. Your response was way out of line.


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Well actually it wasn't simply a casting call, there were comments both with and followed it.

I live in Australia and not the US. Perhaps because of that I found the initial post/discussion quite surprising to see. Where I live the initial "advertisement" would be considered illegal. You're absolutely right, casting calls are sometimes very specific, if they are casting for a particular historical character for example. Otherwise the doors are (at least at face value) open to all.

To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

"TheGuy", the problems that have emerged as a result of the well intentioned, program of "Affirmative Action" are well established and I'd invite you to do an internet search for more information if you're interested. Again, where I live it is well and truly outlawed as a result, although it was very much in vogue when I went through business school.

That's about all I have to say on the topic as I have no interest in coming to a Climbing forum and debating about race. It's a non-debate in our countries as far as I'm concerned. Want to see discrimination? Spend some time in Asia. I'm there a lot and laugh when I read about "discrimination" in our own countries. Yet I've never used that as a cop-out to limit my activities while there.


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To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.


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camhead wrote:
PeteF wrote:
To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.

Dude....


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Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.

Whoa!! Dude get a grip! That was low, and more than an interesting perspective given only a few days earlier I read this comment from you.

In reply to:
You know, none of us go onto gun forums and argue about climbing...


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jbone wrote:
People like Hitler "Force" change.

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

Your in Germany eh? Would have figured this would be pretty clear in your neck of the woods.

Hey Jbone, shut the fuck up, you fucking racist, and please refer any other questions you may have to THIS BLOG RIGHT HERE YES CLICK it YOU FUCKING RACIST.

Seriously, leave and don't come back until you've read the entire site.

Oh, and if Hitler-like tactics could help you learn proper spelling and use of apostrophes, I say bring on the final solution, douchebag.

Oh whoa dude, you just lost many points in my book. Your response was way out of line.

You and JBone might have better luck at free republic, maybe? They're much cheerier about casual racism.

PeteF wrote:
To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

If you think these are equivalent situations, you're insane or stupid.


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styndall wrote:
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jbone wrote:
People like Hitler "Force" change.

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

Your in Germany eh? Would have figured this would be pretty clear in your neck of the woods.

Hey Jbone, shut the fuck up, you fucking racist, and please refer any other questions you may have to THIS BLOG RIGHT HERE YES CLICK it YOU FUCKING RACIST.

Seriously, leave and don't come back until you've read the entire site.

Oh, and if Hitler-like tactics could help you learn proper spelling and use of apostrophes, I say bring on the final solution, douchebag.

Oh whoa dude, you just lost many points in my book. Your response was way out of line.

You and JBone might have better luck at free republic, maybe? They're much cheerier about casual racism.

PeteF wrote:
To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

If you think these are equivalent situations, you're insane or stupid.

You just called me out on being a casual racist? I don't argue with stupid people so it looks like you've got this one.


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Read JBone's second post, and then tell me you're not defending outright racism.


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Dude specifically asked for an instance pertaining to forced change, god forbid that I mention the most obvious of all examples of forced change and suddenly I'm racist. If that's what it takes to be a racist then everybody who speaks of Hitler is a racist.

You have absolutely nothing to contribute to this conversation, don't come in here and turn it into a war just because you can't say what you think in a civil manner.


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jbone wrote:
I did read your article, and I think its "poor me" journalism. If you go to Mexico and watch tv you will see Hispanics. If you go to China and watch tv you will see Chinese. If you go to Africa you will see Africans. Why is it when you are in America and you watch tv you don't see Americans? Maybe you need more friends who are white?


(This is directed to Styndall)-----> That's not racist. Somebody ought to take that silver spoon out of your mouth so you can go experience the world a bit. Of the thirteen countries I have visited, and the racism that I have been exposed to, if the above post is racist to you then I say to you, wake up.

Stop trying to identify racists out of people that are only trying to express their unpopular opinion. Being that this is an online forum with freedom of speech; you have to take what you read with a grain of salt.


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Baaaaahaahaha.... Look at this geeky little guy. This is the guy that called me a racist. How dare you make such an accusation. I wonder what my Black work partner would tell you if he was around. Or any of my Hispanic friends. I wonder what my squad would say if you called me a racist in front of them. One black, four Hispanic, four White, one Filipino.

If I'm racist against anybody, it's against self righteous little geeks like you.


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[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/0/454340-largest_stephen1.jpg[/image]

Baaaaahaahaha.... Look at this geeky little guy. This is the guy that called me a racist. How dare you make such an accusation. I wonder what my Black work partner would tell you if he was around. Or any of my Hispanic friends. I wonder what my squad would say if you called me a racist in front of them. One black, four Hispanic, four White, one Filipino.

If I'm racist against anybody, it's against self righteous little geeks like you.

Oh, wait, you have non-white friends? That makes it all good, bro. I'm sure they'd all sign a card saying you're not racist, or however that works.


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PeteF wrote:
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Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.

Whoa!! Dude get a grip! That was low, and more than an interesting perspective given only a few days earlier I read this comment from you.

In reply to:
You know, none of us go onto gun forums and argue about climbing...

I'm a little slow, so maybe you could tell me how these two quotes contradict each other?


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Your so bad camhead that you can't even tell me I'm digging my own grave without digging your own.


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Oh, wait, you have non-white friends? That makes it all good, bro. I'm sure they'd all sign a card saying you're not racist, or however that works.

Makes what all good? The mere fact that I simply told you that you were out of line for accusing a man of being a
camhead wrote:
FUCKING RACIST

Or how I merely pointed out that Jbone is certainly not the only one that thinks along those lines? So please, tell me exactly what qualifies me to be a "fucking racist" and why I am "all good" now since I have friends of a different nationality and skin color.


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[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/0/454340-largest_stephen1.jpg[/image]

Baaaaahaahaha.... Look at this geeky little guy. This is the guy that called me a racist. How dare you make such an accusation. I wonder what my Black work partner would tell you if he was around. Or any of my Hispanic friends. I wonder what my squad would say if you called me a racist in front of them. One black, four Hispanic, four White, one Filipino.

If I'm racist against anybody, it's against self righteous little geeks like you.

Wow, I really got under your skin. Good job finding a picture of me. You could probably also find my name. Hint - it's my username.

Also, seriously, the "no, guys, I have black friends" defense?


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styndall wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
[image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/0/454340-largest_stephen1.jpg[/image]

Baaaaahaahaha.... Look at this geeky little guy. This is the guy that called me a racist. How dare you make such an accusation. I wonder what my Black work partner would tell you if he was around. Or any of my Hispanic friends. I wonder what my squad would say if you called me a racist in front of them. One black, four Hispanic, four White, one Filipino.

If I'm racist against anybody, it's against self righteous little geeks like you.

Wow, I really got under your skin. Good job finding a picture of me. You could probably also find my name. Hint - it's my username.

Also, seriously, the "no, guys, I have black friends" defense?

You think I should have one of them go knock on your door and inform you in person that I'm not racist, or would you rather I just tell you over the forum? I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?


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Sounds like a cultural issue.

You can go out and make a commercial with a African-American tooling his way up some glacier but who are you making it for really?

Just guessing here... African American customers?


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I can't seem to find Africa-America on a globe . . . Unsure


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I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?

you could try not defending racists, and see how that works out for you?


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jbone wrote:


I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

I said that... long before I was accused by idiots of being a racist I complimented the civil rights movement and its leader. I have not and do not wish ill will on any person or living thing, and to insinuate otherwise is asinine.

If you cannot have a discussion without blatantly judging people who are willing to speak up then don't even bother.


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I did read your article, and I think its "poor me" journalism. If you go to Mexico and watch tv you will see Hispanics. If you go to China and watch tv you will see Chinese. If you go to Africa you will see Africans. Why is it when you are in America and you watch tv you don't see Americans? Maybe you need more friends who are white?

Who is it that you see on American TV?


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snoopy138 wrote:
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I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?

you could try not defending racists, and see how that works out for you?

Gah fuck it. You're next on my list. Ten years of one stars on all your posts.


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ObviousTroll wrote:
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ObviousTroll wrote:
I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?

you could try not defending racists, and see how that works out for you?

Gah fuck it. You're next on my list. Ten years of one stars on all your posts.

My posts are nearly all in community. have at it.


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snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?

you could try not defending racists, and see how that works out for you?

Gah fuck it. You're next on my list. Ten years of one stars on all your posts.

My posts are nearly all in community. have at it.

Oh no no no... Don't get me wrong, I won't even attempt to find all your previous posts. I don't have the patience to click a button on my mouse twenty seven thousand times. That would take--my whole climbing time away!

Say wait a second Snoopy- Speaking of how long it would take, how is it that you've managed to write up 27,000 posts and still managed to get a top rope in?


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Oh sweet jesus. Someone please lock this thread.


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Oh sweet jesus. Someone please lock this thread.

Mission accomplished. Cool


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Not that we need yet another example of the differences between RC and MP but these two threads are damn funny...

http://mountainproject.com/...s-of-color/107953084


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camhead wrote:
PeteF wrote:
To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.

Huh? Black men commit interracial rape at over 30x the rate of white men. Over 50% of crimes committed by blacks are against whites, while white criminals chose black targets in less than 3% of cases. Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama. Tell me who's racist. Might want to lay off the PC koolaid.


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ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?

you could try not defending racists, and see how that works out for you?

Gah fuck it. You're next on my list. Ten years of one stars on all your posts.

My posts are nearly all in community. have at it.

Oh no no no... Don't get me wrong, I won't even attempt to find all your previous posts. I don't have the patience to click a button on my mouse twenty seven thousand times. That would take--my whole climbing time away!

Say wait a second Snoopy- Speaking of how long it would take, how is it that you've managed to write up 27,000 posts and still managed to get a top rope in?

the "you have so many posts you must not really climb" argument is almost as played out as the "but I have black friends" defense and the cries of reverse racism.


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snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?

you could try not defending racists, and see how that works out for you?

Gah fuck it. You're next on my list. Ten years of one stars on all your posts.

My posts are nearly all in community. have at it.

Oh no no no... Don't get me wrong, I won't even attempt to find all your previous posts. I don't have the patience to click a button on my mouse twenty seven thousand times. That would take--my whole climbing time away!

Say wait a second Snoopy- Speaking of how long it would take, how is it that you've managed to write up 27,000 posts and still managed to get a top rope in?

the "you have so many posts you must not really climb" argument is almost as played out as the "but I have black friends" defense and the cries of reverse racism.

I've met people like you before. I don't need to explain myself. One day you will understand what I'm talking about.


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ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
snoopy138 wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
I mean Christ bro, what defense was I supposed to go with?

you could try not defending racists, and see how that works out for you?

Gah fuck it. You're next on my list. Ten years of one stars on all your posts.

My posts are nearly all in community. have at it.

Oh no no no... Don't get me wrong, I won't even attempt to find all your previous posts. I don't have the patience to click a button on my mouse twenty seven thousand times. That would take--my whole climbing time away!

Say wait a second Snoopy- Speaking of how long it would take, how is it that you've managed to write up 27,000 posts and still managed to get a top rope in?

the "you have so many posts you must not really climb" argument is almost as played out as the "but I have black friends" defense and the cries of reverse racism.

I've met people like you before. I don't need to explain myself. One day you will understand what I'm talking about.

IT'S GOT FIVE STARS SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!11


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I did read your article, and I think its "poor me" journalism. If you go to Mexico and watch tv you will see Hispanics. If you go to China and watch tv you will see Chinese. If you go to Africa you will see Africans. Why is it when you are in America and you watch tv you don't see Americans? Maybe you need more friends who are white?

what the hell does an american look like?


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Not that we need yet another example of the differences between RC and MP but these two threads are damn funny...

http://mountainproject.com/...s-of-color/107953084

Wow.


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I must say the one good thing to come out of this thread is more evidence for Godwin's law.

And while we're complaining about -isms, I'd like to complain about ageism: what's up with that 18-45 restriction?! ;)

Come on jBone, back me up here: I can't believe that your finely-tuned discrimination detector missed it just because this time you were in the target demographic ;)

"Reverse-ageism creates ageism", or something like that... in any case, it's their own damn fault if they're discriminated against. Did I get that right, jBone?


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...Hawaii is closer to China than America, come on! ;)

Just out of curiosity, what map did you get that data from?

The one with a warped world-view, natch.


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Baaaaahaahaha.... Look at this geeky little guy. This is the guy that called me a racist. How dare you make such an accusation.

Well at least you don't judge people based on their appearance like those nasty racists ;)


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Baaaaahaahaha.... Look at this geeky little guy. This is the guy that called me a racist. How dare you make such an accusation.

Well at least you don't judge people based on their appearance like those nasty racists ;)

lol what? I judge people all the time based off of their appearances. Fat people, ugly people dumb looking people geeky awkward types. Yeah bro, these judgements help me get through life safely, otherwise I would be lost.

Oh what, now your going to say you don't judge people either huh? Tje difference between me, jbone and others is that we're cognitive enough to know that just because we don't like a particular aspect that is stereotypically true of a certain group doesn't mean we also go into every scene with a predisposition to hate them already. When you grow up you'll get it.


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I did read your article, and I think its "poor me" journalism. If you go to Mexico and watch tv you will see Hispanics. If you go to China and watch tv you will see Chinese. If you go to Africa you will see Africans. Why is it when you are in America and you watch tv you don't see Americans? Maybe you need more friends who are white?

what the hell does an american look like?

You know... the mexicans I see on mexican TV don't look like 99% of the mexicans I actually know or live amongst.


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camhead wrote:
PeteF wrote:
To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.

Huh? Black men commit interracial rape at over 30x the rate of white men. Over 50% of crimes committed by blacks are against whites, while white criminals chose black targets in less than 3% of cases. Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama. Tell me who's racist.

umm ... you?


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It must be difficult living in a world where a man is racist just for saying an article is "poor me" journalism. And a man is racist for saying, "Hey wait a minute! No he's not!" Or when you state statistics showing that one of the "racist finders" is incorrect in his accusations.

You ever veen told that you are your own worst enemy? I feel no obligation to apologize, because I've done nothing racist, or wrong. Yet you guys still post like you're looking for something? As if all us nay sayers are closet racists that need to be shown the light or something. Hmm, well I'll just continue taking pleasure in trolling you self righteous white boys. It passes my time at work.


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It must be difficult living in a world where a man is racist just for saying an article is "poor me" journalism. And a man is racist for saying, "Hey wait a minute! No he's not!" Or when you state statistics showing that one of the "racist finders" is incorrect in his accusations.

You ever veen told that you are your own worst enemy? I feel no obligation to apologize, because I've done nothing racist, or wrong. Yet you guys still post like you're looking for something? As if all us nay sayers are closet racists that need to be shown the light or something. Hmm, well I'll just continue taking pleasure in trolling you self righteous white boys. It passes my time at work.

Well at least you're not self-aware, because people that are racists and know it, are sociopathic assholes. Whereas, people like you are just ignorant douche-nozzles. Congratulations!


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It must be difficult living in a world where a man is racist just for saying an article is "poor me" journalism. And a man is racist for saying, "Hey wait a minute! No he's not!" Or when you state statistics showing that one of the "racist finders" is incorrect in his accusations.

You ever veen told that you are your own worst enemy? I feel no obligation to apologize, because I've done nothing racist, or wrong. Yet you guys still post like you're looking for something? As if all us nay sayers are closet racists that need to be shown the light or something. Hmm, well I'll just continue taking pleasure in trolling you self righteous white boys. It passes my time at work.

Well at least you're not self-aware, because people that are racists and know it, are sociopathic assholes. Whereas, people like you are just ignorant douche-nozzles. Congratulations!

Heh. Nozzles.


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It must be difficult living in a world where a man is racist just for saying an article is "poor me" journalism. And a man is racist for saying, "Hey wait a minute! No he's not!" Or when you state statistics showing that one of the "racist finders" is incorrect in his accusations.

You ever veen told that you are your own worst enemy? I feel no obligation to apologize, because I've done nothing racist, or wrong. Yet you guys still post like you're looking for something? As if all us nay sayers are closet racists that need to be shown the light or something. Hmm, well I'll just continue taking pleasure in trolling you self righteous white boys. It passes my time at work.

You should have added "ed" to the end of your username.


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Whereas, people like you are just ignorant douche-nozzles. Congratulations!

Meh, I can't argue with that. At least somebody around here can call a duck a duck. Wink


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Whereas, people like you are just ignorant douche-nozzles. Congratulations!

Meh, I can't argue with that. At least somebody around here can call a duck a duck. Wink

Hahaaa!


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Lots of American adds are made in NZ as we have snow in the off season so do catalogues , adds etc then.
Lately They have been casting for female winter climbers, dark skinned to look South American. That is the art directors vision, Next time it will be Male, 50's Craggy/rough looking.
Although it would be illegal to specify Sex race etc in a job add, I would rather know up front than waste my time going to a casting I will never get if they get all PC and cast for "climbers"


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A person of color or anybody from an underrepresented group can make a call to address racism, and to encourage inclusion in a community. Unfortunately, more often than not the community who hears said person spends a huge amount of time and energy addressing the racist, sexist, and just plain mean opinions of some asshole. Doesn't it say something that instead of hearing a person of color on an idea they have to address the whiteness of climbing, Jbone and ObvTroll call them a bunch of names, question their methods, say a bunch of ignorant shit? Why is it so threatening to them? OBVIOUSLY our society has a lot of work to overcome racism, sexism, classism, anti-queer sentiment, and just for attempting to overcome these situations, people jump on them. That's one tool of oppression; somebody tries to change something and overcome power imbalances, and people of the dominant group attack them, and attempt to discredit them with ignorant beliefs.

I think especially JBone's comments cross the line more towards harrassment than just "voicing one's opinion", like he keeps claiming he is doing. But seriously, go wash some dishes or fall in a 12 foot hole, or do anything besides making a person feel unwelcome, who is making a concerted effort to address racism, and to stand up for herself.

So Joytrip, thank you! Thank you! Thank You! Thank you! I wish we could spend more time being supportive, and focusing on the voices of people of color, and not just letting them get drowned out as we attempt to deconstruct racist ideas. The deconstruction is entirely necessary, but I also want to take some space and time to appreciate an attempt to create more visibility of people of color who climb.

Fuck yes. I'm glad someone is doing something. :) :)


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People like Hitler "Force" change.

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.

Your in Germany eh? Would have figured this would be pretty clear in your neck of the woods.

Look, I know you are probably too busy cutting holes in your pillowcases, polishing your jackboots, and jerking off to the latest pamphlet from the creativity movement, but I figured I would chime in. I don't hold high hopes of you reading this, as it will probably contain polysyllabic words.

You present numerous logical fallacies in your overall argument that reflect your antiquated and myopic view of the world. To say that Hitler forced change is (aside from the clearly Godwinian repercussions on JoyTrip's innocent thread... RIP) to say that change only comes via exclusive intolerance, racism, patriarchy, and blind allegiance to the state. That sounds to me like the regressive change favored by fascists and the occasional deluded monarchist.

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Your in the dark if you think I'm the only one who thinks this way.

I understand that you fit well into the category of outspoken racist. I'm sure you cheer every time you see the Arizona cops hassle a "non-white" for their papers. You, and by extension, your defenders, are perfectly happy with the economic apartheid that currently dominates the United States. JoyTrip's article was not "poor me" journalism, as it focused on the adventure gap of outdoor sports by highlighting the economic gaps and historical experiences that keep people of color out of the recreation community. Keep dreaming of your monoculture lily white nation.

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jbone wrote:

I wouldn't say MLK "Forced" anything, rather he lobbied for equality based on reason.
I said that... long before I was accused by idiots of being a racist I complimented the civil rights movement and its leader. I have not and do not wish ill will on any person or living thing, and to insinuate otherwise is asinine.

This doesn't sound very not-all-that-racist or even maybe-just-casually-racist. Nor is it terribly complimentary to a man who was assassinated for challenging the system of violent, legal, state sanctioned racial apartheid that dominated the American empire of the twentieth century. MLK may have been one of the key factors that prevented the boiling racial tension of the 1960s from becoming far more violent than it was.

MLK, 4 April 1967, Riverside Church, New York City wrote:
My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettoes of the North over the last three years -- especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They ask if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.

And, to the douchecanoes who were defending our stalwart fascist: the rhetoric which spewed from his hateful fingers and on to our computer screens deserves no defense. It is an antiquated and thinly veiled call for violence based on skin pigmentation and economic means. Dynosore's completely uncited statistics merely perpetuate the malignant stereotypes that enable de facto discrimination. I, for one, would really like to see where he got them from.
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Black men commit interracial rape at over 30x the rate of white men. Over 50% of crimes committed by blacks are against whites, while white criminals chose black targets in less than 3% of cases. Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama. Tell me who's racist. Might want to lay off the PC koolaid.
The first statistic is a clear attempt at miscegenation-based fear-mongering. The second speaks to the economic means of the minority communities in the US. I highly doubt many white criminals are going to go to the economic peripheries where the black populations live to rob them if there is a drastically reduced payoff in comparison to robbing the rich white folks up the hill. And the third, completely unrelated statistic is merely an attempt to equate those who vote for a more progressive agenda with criminals and dependents. All of the aforementioned statistics are strongly skewed to portray people of color as racist against their benevolent white fathers. As if the myth of the paternal slaveholder persisted beyond the end of legalized slavery.

Any behavior or rhetoric that masquerades as free speech while attempting to deprive a substantial portion of the population of their rights as human beings and members of society is extremely hypocritical, and should be exposed for what it is: racist, classist, sexist, exclusionist, and violent. To tolerate such behavior is beyond reproach.


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A person of color or anybody from an underrepresented group can make a call to address racism, and to encourage inclusion in a community. Unfortunately, more often than not the community who hears said person spends a huge amount of time and energy addressing the racist, sexist, and just plain mean opinions of some asshole. Doesn't it say something that instead of hearing a person of color on an idea they have to address the whiteness of climbing, Jbone and ObvTroll call them a bunch of names, question their methods, say a bunch of ignorant shit? Why is it so threatening to them? OBVIOUSLY our society has a lot of work to overcome racism, sexism, classism, anti-queer sentiment, and just for attempting to overcome these situations, people jump on them. That's one tool of oppression; somebody tries to change something and overcome power imbalances, and people of the dominant group attack them, and attempt to discredit them with ignorant beliefs.

I think especially JBone's comments cross the line more towards harrassment than just "voicing one's opinion", like he keeps claiming he is doing. But seriously, go wash some dishes or fall in a 12 foot hole, or do anything besides making a person feel unwelcome, who is making a concerted effort to address racism, and to stand up for herself.

So Joytrip, thank you! Thank you! Thank You! Thank you! I wish we could spend more time being supportive, and focusing on the voices of people of color, and not just letting them get drowned out as we attempt to deconstruct racist ideas. The deconstruction is entirely necessary, but I also want to take some space and time to appreciate an attempt to create more visibility of people of color who climb.

Fuck yes. I'm glad someone is doing something. :) :)

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Here's your recap Hannah, all I ever did was say "calm down the guy isn't being racist," and you're over here saying I'm calling names. Ok so maybe I called the geek a geek, or said fat people are fat and dumb people are dumb. But I'd rather be called, or call those people by what they are then go all bonsai and call them a "FUCKING RACIST"

ObviousTroll wrote:
Also, what is up with the thread being titled "calling all climbers of color" and then asking specifically for black climbers? I'm not saying anything by this, except that it's goofy and odd.

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...THIS BLOG RIGHT HERE YES CLICK it YOU FUCKING RACIST.

Seriously, leave and don't come back until you've read the entire site.

Oh, and if Hitler-like tactics could help you learn proper spelling and use of apostrophes, I say bring on the final solution, douchebag.

Oh whoa dude, you just lost many points in my book. Your response was way out of line.

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PeteF wrote:
To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.

Dude....


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...just because we don't like a particular aspect that is stereotypically true of a certain group doesn't mean we also go into every scene with a predisposition to hate them already. When you grow up you'll get it.

Forgot to add that in too. Try telling me that I'm in fact just a closet racist, and I need the internet to tell me the truth. I'll be sure to tell that to my black coworker (whom I work with in close proximity of a truck every day.), see what he has to say about it.


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And last salvo before I go;

It's remarkable to me that people are attempting to convince me that I'm a racist. Or if not trying to convince me, they are purposefully skewing what I say, (be it in defense of your self proclaimed racist Jbone) in order to make me into a racist as well. Remarkable.


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Your another judgmental diva who reads a thread on the internet then think you know everything there is to know about a person. I don't pretend to know you nor do I care to. When your done fantasizing about how people are and actually take the time to know them you may get a clue.

But... Since your from Montana and were making broad based assumptions of who the poster from the given state must be I will assume you live out in the middle of Montana making assault weapons in seclusion. Your connected to the internet although you hate technology as it provides prying eyes for the government into your daily routines. But you couldn't handle not knowing what people in the civilized world are saying and thinking for fear that they will rise up and take everything you have for themselves?

Come on, how close am I? This is the way the media portrays the average Montana resident so it must be right, Right?

So I totally understand how you could interpret my collective posts in the accuracy you have proved here now. Somebody should give you a job judging people so you can contribute to the betterment of mankind, your obviously a genius among the rest of us idiots.


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jbone wrote:
Your another judgmental diva who reads a thread on the internet then think you know everything there is to know about a person.

jbone wrote:
Since your from Montana and were making broad based assumptions of who the poster from the given state must be I will assume you live out in the middle of Montana making assault weapons in seclusion. Your connected to the internet although you hate technology as it provides prying eyes for the government into your daily routines. But you couldn't handle not knowing what people in the civilized world are saying and thinking for fear that they will rise up and take everything you have for themselves?
Oh yeah, you nailed it.


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Actually I'm not finished. I ask you to read this:

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"I just look at myself as a pretty average amateur mountaineer," she said in an interview. "The things I climb are the things that people climb. Some are technical, sure, but nothing spectacular.... I climb because I like to climb..."

This is a quote from Sophia Danenberg, from the article. The first Black Female to summit Everest. Even Sophia states that she doesn't care what the world thinks of her being an African American female, and first to summit. That's because it doesn't matter.

Then some douche with fancy vocabulary and grammar skills goes out and writes an article exploiting a simple fact. The simple fact that Black people just aren't that into going out into the mountains and playing in the snow. That what there is currently isn't good enough for him! Well what is this? Who cares that the majority of climbers aren't Black. If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

It's the pushing that bothers guys like Jbone. Jbone just simply stated that by silhouetting the agenda, you're creating more hostility. And he's absolutely right. Whether you want to blame all of the hostility on me, or blame it on guys like Camhead for totally blowing his top, the fact is that the article was placed in a "hot spot" so to say, and it did what Jbone said it would do.

Some of you people really don't understand what it is to be racist. And those people add a whole lot of drama to an otherwise civil debate. Anybody that can without a doubt say that I or Jbone are racists, please let me know as soon as you can so I can take your internet advice and inform my black friends and coworker that I'm sorry for judging them.


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Your another judgmental diva who reads a thread on the internet then think you know everything there is to know about a person. I don't pretend to know you nor do I care to. When your done fantasizing about how people are and actually take the time to know them you may get a clue.

But... Since your from Montana and were making broad based assumptions of who the poster from the given state must be I will assume you live out in the middle of Montana making assault weapons in seclusion. Your connected to the internet although you hate technology as it provides prying eyes for the government into your daily routines. But you couldn't handle not knowing what people in the civilized world are saying and thinking for fear that they will rise up and take everything you have for themselves?

Come on, how close am I? This is the way the media portrays the average Montana resident so it must be right, Right?

So I totally understand how you could interpret my collective posts in the accuracy you have proved here now. Somebody should give you a job judging people so you can contribute to the betterment of mankind, your obviously a genius among the rest of us idiots.

Interesting. But you're still a racist. I knew it when you characterized an article that offered some interesting insights from a perspective different from your own (race) as "poor me journalism". It's the same motivation that causes some to use the term "white guilt" to dismiss advocacy for equality. Poor me journalism, white guilt, but I have black friends, reverse discrimination - those terms all come from the same place.

Your comment seeks to diminish and discredit the article (and a sizable chunk of American history in the process). Why? Because it threatens or shines light on part of you that you either don't like (consciously or sub-consciously), or worse, a part of you that you're comfortable with and are willing to act out on in order to suppress the voices of people who are different from you. The rest of us non-racists have no need for any such silliness. We can read the article and consider the points within on their merit alone - we are not threatened.

Your choices now are to examine your internal motivations and either work to change, or embrace them and shop for a white hood, or further bury your self-awareness in layers of illusion so you don't have to confront those dark places in yourself. Have fun with all that.


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Well at least you're not self-aware, because people that are racists and know it, are sociopathic assholes. Whereas, people like you are just ignorant douche-nozzles. Congratulations!

Well take it to your level pedro..

"takes one to know one.."


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Actually I'm not finished. I ask you to read this:

In reply to:
"I just look at myself as a pretty average amateur mountaineer," she said in an interview. "The things I climb are the things that people climb. Some are technical, sure, but nothing spectacular.... I climb because I like to climb..."

This is a quote from Sophia Danenberg, from the article. The first Black Female to summit Everest. Even Sophia states that she doesn't care what the world thinks of her being an African American female, and first to summit. That's because it doesn't matter.

Then some douche with fancy vocabulary and grammar skills goes out and writes an article exploiting a simple fact. The simple fact that Black people just aren't that into going out into the mountains and playing in the snow. That what there is currently isn't good enough for him! Well what is this? Who cares that the majority of climbers aren't Black. If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

It's the pushing that bothers guys like Jbone. Jbone just simply stated that by silhouetting the agenda, you're creating more hostility. And he's absolutely right. Whether you want to blame all of the hostility on me, or blame it on guys like Camhead for totally blowing his top, the fact is that the article was placed in a "hot spot" so to say, and it did what Jbone said it would do.

Some of you people really don't understand what it is to be racist. And those people add a whole lot of drama to an otherwise civil debate. Anybody that can without a doubt say that I or Jbone are racists, please let me know as soon as you can so I can take your internet advice and inform my black friends and coworker that I'm sorry for judging them.

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Your [sic] another judgmental diva ...

Oh, cool, you're a sexist, too.


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And those people add a whole lot of drama to an otherwise civil debate.

But this thread WAS NOT INTENDED to be a "civilized debate."

It was a person putting the word out for a CASTING CALL, and it was immediately hijacked. "Civil debate" - bull shit.


By the way, I hear the ad will be shot in Alaska, and it is for a major beer company. Whomever gets the job should contact Alex Honnold for advice on getting paid appropriately(as I assume he has been managing his commitments well, financially, since they seem to be becoming more frequent).


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If you need to know just one way in which you are being racist, besides attacking someone's good faith effort to try and improve the racial disparity in the climbing community, look up the word "apologist" in the dictionary. And while you're at it, look up "power dynamic", and then adjust your analysis of "reverse racism". Oh, and keep your mouth shut, because you're upsetting a lot of other people every time you talk.

oh yeah, and if you are craving some actual intellectual discourse like you say you do, read some actual papers on why your opinions might be racist. Although you said you read the alpinist article, a few things you said made me think you didn't actually read it. At the risk of doing your research for you, This might be a good starting point:
http://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/White%20Priviledge%20Unpacking%20the%20Invisible%20Knapsack.pdf
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/04/02/derailing-for-dummies/
http://everysquareinch.blogspot.com/2006/12/deconstructing-racism.html


I'm done. These assholes are really just trying to bait others. If they can't reflect on their behavior on their own, or maybe get a clue to listen to others, I'm over it. I don't have to stand in line for their bullshit.

Now, please don't accuse me of being over-educated, leave me alone. Seriously.


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Actually I'm not finished. I ask you to read this:

In reply to:
"I just look at myself as a pretty average amateur mountaineer," she said in an interview. "The things I climb are the things that people climb. Some are technical, sure, but nothing spectacular.... I climb because I like to climb..."

This is a quote from Sophia Danenberg, from the article. The first Black Female to summit Everest. Even Sophia states that she doesn't care what the world thinks of her being an African American female, and first to summit. That's because it doesn't matter.

Then some douche with fancy vocabulary and grammar skills goes out and writes an article exploiting a simple fact. The simple fact that Black people just aren't that into going out into the mountains and playing in the snow. That what there is currently isn't good enough for him! Well what is this? Who cares that the majority of climbers aren't Black. If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

You are completely missing the point of the article.

Here is the thing: sure, black people are absolutely free to climb if they want to. But BEFORE YOU CAN WANT something, you have to be exposed to it. And right now, due to cultural, economical, etc. circumstances, the African-American kids are under-exposed to such things. THIS is what the author is explaining in his article and this is what we all should be trying to change.

My daughter would have never decided that she wanted to try gymnastics, or skiing, or climbing, or violin playing, if she wasn't exposed to the idea that these were potentially fun activities that she could do. Some of those things she tried and decided she didn't care for, some of them she liked and continued to pursue.

It is all about opportunity. You give people equal opportunity, equal exposure to things, you give them a sense that things are possible -- and THEN it is up to them to pursue an activity, or not. Right now, while that opportunity is equal on paper, it is not equal in reality.


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Some of you people really don't understand what it is to be racist. And those people add a whole lot of drama to an otherwise civil debate. Anybody that can without a doubt say that I or Jbone are racists, please let me know as soon as you can so I can take your internet advice and inform my black friends and coworker that I'm sorry for judging them.

What YOU don't seem to understand is what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism (or other discriminatory behaviors). You might not go around spewing N word, and you might even "have some black friends and co-workers" (congratulations!), but you come across as racist in this thread.

You want an example of a racist statement?

here is one:

ObviousTroll wrote:
The simple fact that Black people just aren't that into going out into the mountains and playing in the snow. That what there is currently isn't good enough for him! Well what is this? Who cares that the majority of climbers aren't Black. If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

You don't care WHY black people are "that way", and you say that you don't care, even when a black person tells you that it is something to consider.

Who cares that there is such discrepancy? Well, some people who had paused to consider the reasons behind it do. But you apparently believe that black people are just made that way. That their race (instead of exposure and opportunity) somehow determines whether they would ever want to climb, or ski, or play in the snow. That is a classical racist attitude.

Here's newsflash for you-- black kids like snowball fights and sledding on neighborhood hill just as much as white kids. But snowball fights and trash can lids are free, or easy to get. Skiing and climbing aren't.


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Here's your recap Hannah, all I ever did was say "calm down the guy isn't being racist," and you're over here saying I'm calling names. Ok so maybe I called the geek a geek, or said fat people are fat and dumb people are dumb. But I'd rather be called, or call those people by what they are then go all bonsai and call them a "FUCKING RACIST"

ObviousTroll wrote:
Also, what is up with the thread being titled "calling all climbers of color" and then asking specifically for black climbers? I'm not saying anything by this, except that it's goofy and odd.

ObviousTroll wrote:
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...THIS BLOG RIGHT HERE YES CLICK it YOU FUCKING RACIST.

Seriously, leave and don't come back until you've read the entire site.

Oh, and if Hitler-like tactics could help you learn proper spelling and use of apostrophes, I say bring on the final solution, douchebag.

Oh whoa dude, you just lost many points in my book. Your response was way out of line.

ObviousTroll wrote:
camhead wrote:
PeteF wrote:
To put it in perspective, how would an "African-American" feel if they saw the following advertisement in Sports Illustrated: Wanted, 100m sprinter for photo-shoot. MUST be caucasian, people of any color need not apply.

Yeah, that would be terrible. Especially because whites have been so oppressed after blacks colonized, captured, enslaved, and raped them all while setting up an entire world system for 300+ years that assumed black superiority and white inferiority.

Oh, wait, no, my bad, that didn't happen. STFU.

Dude....
So I have a few serious question for you. Why did you object to Camhead's first statement, specifically, what do you consider way out of line?
Second question- given that Camhead was using the history of colonialism and chattel slavery as an example to highlight the heritage of oppression of people of color within the United States, why did you consider this statement to be too far? If you want to provide well documented counter examples in an attempt to disprove the existence of European and Anglo-American colonialism as well as the institution of chattel slavery, feel free to do so. Maybe check up on some holocaust denial websites for some pointers in constructing your argument.
I anxiously await your response.


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If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

You are completely missing the point of the article.

Here is the thing: sure, black people are absolutely free to climb if they want to. But BEFORE YOU CAN WANT something, you have to be exposed to it. And right now, due to cultural, economical, etc. circumstances, the African-American kids are under-exposed to such things. THIS is what the author is explaining in his article and this is what we all should be trying to change.

My daughter would have never decided that she wanted to try gymnastics, or skiing, or climbing, or violin playing, if she wasn't exposed to the idea that these were potentially fun activities that she could do. Some of those things she tried and decided she didn't care for, some of them she liked and continued to pursue.

It is all about opportunity. You give people equal opportunity, equal exposure to things, you give them a sense that things are possible -- and THEN it is up to them to pursue an activity, or not. Right now, while that opportunity is equal on paper, it is not equal in reality.

Actually, I think the boneheads AND smart folks like Lena are missing something. It's not just about exposure, it's advertising. Whether you like it or not, advertising uses subtle cues to change people's views, and it works. That's why companies spend billions of dollars on it.

So of course the bonehead argument quoted at the top of my post is as silly as saying "If people wanted to eat McDonalds, they would just do it, what does advertising have to do with it?"

But even the argument Lena (and others) have made misses the point that it's more than just neutral exposure, it's a proactive attempt to change views. And (IMO) that may be a good thing in this case if it gets more black people to feel connected to the idea that wild places and adventure is something they can be a part of.

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lena_chita wrote:
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If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

You are completely missing the point of the article.

Here is the thing: sure, black people are absolutely free to climb if they want to. But BEFORE YOU CAN WANT something, you have to be exposed to it. And right now, due to cultural, economical, etc. circumstances, the African-American kids are under-exposed to such things. THIS is what the author is explaining in his article and this is what we all should be trying to change.

My daughter would have never decided that she wanted to try gymnastics, or skiing, or climbing, or violin playing, if she wasn't exposed to the idea that these were potentially fun activities that she could do. Some of those things she tried and decided she didn't care for, some of them she liked and continued to pursue.

It is all about opportunity. You give people equal opportunity, equal exposure to things, you give them a sense that things are possible -- and THEN it is up to them to pursue an activity, or not. Right now, while that opportunity is equal on paper, it is not equal in reality.

Actually, I think the boneheads AND smart folks like Lena are missing something. It's not just about exposure, it's advertising. Whether you like it or not, advertising uses subtle cues to change people's views, and it works. That's why companies spend billions of dollars on it.

So of course the bonehead argument quoted at the top of my post is as silly as saying "If people wanted to eat McDonalds, they would just do it, what does advertising have to do with it?"

But even the argument Lena (and others) have made misses the point that it's more than just neutral exposure, it's a proactive attempt to change views. And (IMO) that may be a good thing in this case if it gets more black people to feel connected to the idea that wild places and adventure is something they can be a part of.

GO


No, I am not missing it, and I agree with you. I see it as a separate but related subject.


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And those people add a whole lot of drama to an otherwise civil debate.

But this thread WAS NOT INTENDED to be a "civilized debate."

I'm not the one that started debating though hg. I'm the one that was trying to keep things civil by telling camhead he's out of line for "proclaiming" a man is racist. But when I see how quickly other people will try to bring me into being a racist just for keeping a neutrality in the debate it became fun for me to make cheap remarks at them. And after several cheap remaks it became obvious to me that people actually have themselves convinced I am a racist.

So when I'm dealing with stupid and asinine white people I just take more pleasure in drawing out their patience. Fuckin' cracker.


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hannah.wolfmom wrote:
If you need to know...

I won't quote your whole post but I just wanted to let you know all I had to say after I read it was "lol"

lena_chita wrote:
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Actually I'm not finished. I ask you to read this:

In reply to:
"I just look at myself as a pretty average amateur mountaineer," she said in an interview. "The things I climb are the things that people climb. Some are technical, sure, but nothing spectacular.... I climb because I like to climb..."

This is a quote from Sophia Danenberg, from the article. The first Black Female to summit Everest. Even Sophia states that she doesn't care what the world thinks of her being an African American female, and first to summit. That's because it doesn't matter.

Then some douche with fancy vocabulary and grammar skills goes out and writes an article exploiting a simple fact. The simple fact that Black people just aren't that into going out into the mountains and playing in the snow. That what there is currently isn't good enough for him! Well what is this? Who cares that the majority of climbers aren't Black. If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

You are completely missing the point of the article.

Here is the thing: sure, black people are absolutely free to climb if they want to. But BEFORE YOU CAN WANT something, you have to be exposed to it. And right now, due to cultural, economical, etc. circumstances, the African-American kids are under-exposed to such things. THIS is what the author is explaining in his article and this is what we all should be trying to change.

My daughter would have never decided that she wanted to try gymnastics, or skiing, or climbing, or violin playing, if she wasn't exposed to the idea that these were potentially fun activities that she could do. Some of those things she tried and decided she didn't care for, some of them she liked and continued to pursue.

It is all about opportunity. You give people equal opportunity, equal exposure to things, you give them a sense that things are possible -- and THEN it is up to them to pursue an activity, or not. Right now, while that opportunity is equal on paper, it is not equal in reality.


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Some of you people really don't understand what it is to be racist. And those people add a whole lot of drama to an otherwise civil debate. Anybody that can without a doubt say that I or Jbone are racists, please let me know as soon as you can so I can take your internet advice and inform my black friends and coworker that I'm sorry for judging them.

What YOU don't seem to understand is what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism (or other discriminatory behaviors). You might not go around spewing N word, and you might even "have some black friends and co-workers" (congratulations!), but you come across as racist in this thread.

You want an example of a racist statement?

here is one:

ObviousTroll wrote:
The simple fact that Black people just aren't that into going out into the mountains and playing in the snow. That what there is currently isn't good enough for him! Well what is this? Who cares that the majority of climbers aren't Black. If they want to go out and climb they will, but apparently they don't want to. Why push it?

You don't care WHY black people are "that way", and you say that you don't care, even when a black person tells you that it is something to consider.

Who cares that there is such discrepancy? Well, some people who had paused to consider the reasons behind it do. But you apparently believe that black people are just made that way. That their race (instead of exposure and opportunity) somehow determines whether they would ever want to climb, or ski, or play in the snow. That is a classical racist attitude.

Here's newsflash for you-- black kids like snowball fights and sledding on neighborhood hill just as much as white kids. But snowball fights and trash can lids are free, or easy to get. Skiing and climbing aren't.

The bold sections in the quoted post above are what the following comments are referring to.

You think I've never been on the receiving end of racism? Strike one.

You think Black people don't have the equal opportunity to go out into the woods as white people? Strike two. If anything in that is true it's just simply because culturally they don't want to. Do you wear traditional middle eastern clothing? No because it's not culturally accepted for you to do, so you just don't do it. It's not because you're not exposed to it, it's just simply because you don't care for it.

You think that I ever said that I think Black people wouldn't do these things because of their skin color??? Your outta here. You fucking judgmental bitch. How dare you accuse me of being racist.

Hey when you learn to read Lena, go back and read all of my posts, and then use that quote function you love so much to capture what I said and prove I'm racist.


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Why hasn't this been moved to the Soap Box by moderators?

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amarius wrote:
Why hasn't this been moved to the Soap Box by moderators?

Or, perhaps, another forum aptly named "Bicker and Banter" should be created - here is what it looks on a different discussion board

Amarius, Lena_Chita & Co. will assure you that the nature of their posts serve a much higher purpose than just simple bicker and banter. They are indeed on a hunt to find any and all racists and convert them to fully functional forum users here on RC.com Wink


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You fucking judgmental bitch.

Hmm... so, the two folks in here that got called out on here for being racially insensitive also are quick to use gendered insults like "diva" and "bitch" as soon as a female tells them the same thing that males are telling them?

It's just got to be a coincidence.


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camhead wrote:
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You fucking judgmental bitch.

Hmm... so, the two folks in here that got called out on here for being racially insensitive also are quick to use gendered insults like "diva" and "bitch" as soon as a female tells them the same thing that males are telling them?

It's just got to be a coincidence.

Like, seriously, someone calls you out for being ignorant and vitriolic, and you respond by being ignorant and vitriolic?

That's like those Islamic fundies who got so mad about the Danish cartoon portraying them as violent bombers that they responded by being violent bombers.


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pretty obvious
that you two should just shut the
fuck up and realize
that you're in the minority, that you
won't win here, and should just accept that we called you out.


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camhead wrote:
pretty obvious
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that you're in the minority, that you
won't win here, and should just accept that we called you out.


Pirate


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camhead wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
You fucking judgmental bitch.

Hmm... so, the two folks in here that got called out on here for being racially insensitive also are quick to use gendered insults like "diva" and "bitch" as soon as a female tells them the same thing that males are telling them?

It's just got to be a coincidence.

Like, seriously, someone calls you out for being ignorant and vitriolic, and you respond by being ignorant and vitriolic?

That's like those Islamic fundies who got so mad about the Danish cartoon portraying them as violent bombers that they responded by being violent bombers.

Just used an appropriate word to fill the gap you nincompoop. Calling me a racist is indeed a judgmental thing to do, and a female that does that becomes a bitch.


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also: hot mess thread of the year award, right here, in January.


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amarius wrote:
Why hasn't this been moved to the Soap Box by moderators?

Or, perhaps, another forum aptly named "Bicker and Banter" should be created - here is what it looks on a different discussion board


My bad, but you have a good point. I can't create a new forum, but the thread will be moved now.


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camhead wrote:
pretty obvious
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won't win here, and should just accept that we called you out.

Well you see camhead, that's the beauty of it. I can always get the last word in because I don't need to prove anything. You and the others that call me and jbone racist are the ones that have something to prove here. Thus far I've done nothing wrong so why would I feel obligated to stop? You're the one that feels like he needs to drive in a point.


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lena_chita wrote:
amarius wrote:
Why hasn't this been moved to the Soap Box by moderators?

Or, perhaps, another forum aptly named "Bicker and Banter" should be created - here is what it looks on a different discussion board


My bad, but you have a good point. I can't create a new forum, but the thread will be moved now.

BITCH TOOK MAH STARS!!!111MadMadMadMadMad


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Well you see camhead, that's the beauty of it. I can always get the last word in because I don't need to prove anything.

Actually, the fact that you are continuously trying to get in the last word shows that you really do want to prove something. Try again, please.


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ObviousTroll wrote:
camhead wrote:
pretty obvious
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fuck up and realize
that you're in the minority, that you
won't win here, and should just accept that we called you out.

Well you see camhead, that's the beauty of it. I can always get the last word in because I don't need to prove anything. You and the others that call me and jbone racist are the ones that have something to prove here. Thus far I've done nothing wrong so why would I feel obligated to stop? You're the one that feels like he needs to drive in a point.
Camhead, like you said, he's in the MINORITY, so he totally knows what it's like. Man.


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camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
Well you see camhead, that's the beauty of it. I can always get the last word in because I don't need to prove anything.

Actually, the fact that you are continuously trying to get in the last word shows that you really do want to prove something. Try again, please.

Meh?


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Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.


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camhead wrote:
pretty obvious
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won't win here, and should just accept that we called you out.

I LOLed.

GO


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Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.


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carabiner96 wrote:
Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

No, I'm what's wrong with climbing, not with our culture. Please try to keep up.

And carabiner is not a man, btw.


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They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.


Says the person trollin' with an anonymous profile on the internet.

You'd be better at this if you weren't so obvious. T4


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I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

I can't decide if this calls for a violin for your poor broken heart, or an obvious troll is obvious. Oh hell, we're in scummunity, you can have both:





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chadnsc wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.


Says the person trollin' with an anonymous profile on the internet.

You'd be better at this if you weren't so obvious. T4

lol Chad, it's so fitting that you bring all this up, because when I created this profile I actually had motive to steal your avatar to use as my "ObviousTroll" picture.


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chadnsc wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.


Says the person trollin' with an anonymous profile on the internet.

You'd be better at this if you weren't so obvious. T4

lol Chad, it's so fitting that you bring all this up, because when I created this profile I actually had motive to steal your avatar to use as my "ObviousTroll" picture.

From one professional to another; you're not living up to your potential.

Also no sealing my avitard. I drew it and it's minze!


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From one professional to another; you're not living up to your potential.

Challenge accepted.

EDIT:

Scratch that, I'd say 5 pages is pretty good no?


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camhead wrote:
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carabiner96 wrote:
Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

No, I'm what's wrong with climbing, not with our culture. Please try to keep up.

And carabiner is not a man, btw.
Shut the fuck up, hippie.


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carabiner96 wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

No, I'm what's wrong with climbing, not with our culture. Please try to keep up.

And carabiner is not a man, btw.
Shut the fuck up, hippie.

What do I say to one arm stupid girl?


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carabiner96 wrote:
camhead wrote:
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Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

No, I'm what's wrong with climbing, not with our culture. Please try to keep up.

And carabiner is not a man, btw.
Shut the fuck up, hippie.

What do I say to one arm stupid girl?
take your cane and shove it up your pucker hole, gimp. Happy birthday, you geriatric, Metamucil ridden turd.


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carabiner96 wrote:
camhead wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

No, I'm what's wrong with climbing, not with our culture. Please try to keep up.

And carabiner is not a man, btw.
Shut the fuck up, hippie.

What do I say to one arm stupid girl?
take your cane and shove it up your pucker hole, gimp. Happy birthday, you geriatric, Metamucil ridden turd.

I was all set to wish that your dog may eat your prosthesis, but then I just remembered that the early dinner specials at Denny's are about to end, so I gotta bounce. Now stay off my lawn!


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camhead wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
camhead wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

No, I'm what's wrong with climbing, not with our culture. Please try to keep up.

And carabiner is not a man, btw.
Shut the fuck up, hippie.

What do I say to one arm stupid girl?
take your cane and shove it up your pucker hole, gimp. Happy birthday, you geriatric, Metamucil ridden turd.

I was all set to wish that your dog may eat your prosthesis, but then I just remembered that the early dinner specials at Denny's are about to end, so I gotta bounce. Now stay off my lawn!
It wouldn't have been the first time he'd have nibbled on my Captain Hook.


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camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
carabiner96 wrote:
Ok OT, I'll throw you a bone. I for one don't think you're rascist. For whatever reason you backed up JBone (who has some serious issues) but whatever, everyone loves a devil's advocate (RIP). Where you went wrong was where you said something stupid and got called out on it, instead of saying 'Wait, sorry, that came out wrong' you continued to defend whatever stupid shit you said.

Then came the name calling, and if you think that someone calling something you said racist is comparable to straight out calling someone a bitch, well, then I'm sorry for your mom.

Hey there ya go! You see, you can call me stupid, or an ass hole, or cocky. Those are all true, I've got no quarrel with a man that calls me by my name. But when somebody calls me a racist, like camhead, or lena_chita. Well that's where I draw the line and just assume that that person is an idiot. Because I am by no means racist. And if I tell you I'm not racist, and then you tell me I am again... Well then I'll just start being a dick to ya. Tongue

I've found a few people that I used to respect here, that I now know not to respect quite so much. They are judgmental and unrealistic, don't listen to logic or reason, and those types of people I don't associate with. They are what is wrong with our culture.

No, I'm what's wrong with climbing, not with our culture. Please try to keep up.

And carabiner is not a man, btw.

I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?


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I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.


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ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.


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camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.
Yes, the poor woman. How will she survive with this knowledge?


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dr_feelgood wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.
Yes, the poor woman. How will she survive with this knowledge?

Obviously OT is also gay. And, I don't hate fags. I have friends who are fags.

Curt


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curt wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.
Yes, the poor woman. How will she survive with this knowledge?

Obviously OT is also gay. And, I don't hate fags. I have friends who are fags.

Curt

lol, no I just don't like strong muscles and weak arguements.


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ObviousTroll wrote:
curt wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.
Yes, the poor woman. How will she survive with this knowledge?

Obviously OT is also gay. And, I don't hate fags. I have friends who are fags.

Curt

lol, no I just don't like strong muscles and weak arguements.
Then how do you look at yourself in the mirror and avoid self loathing?

And in your formative years to boot...
What are you, like 14? (-->"lol"<-- Laugh)


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From one professional to another; you're not living up to your potential.

Challenge accepted.

EDIT:

Scratch that, I'd say 5 pages is pretty good no?

The thread was getting away from you there for a bit but you've managed to reign it back in. Six pages, good job!


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rrrADAM wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
curt wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.
Yes, the poor woman. How will she survive with this knowledge?

Obviously OT is also gay. And, I don't hate fags. I have friends who are fags.

Curt

lol, no I just don't like strong muscles and weak arguements.
Then how do you look at yourself in the mirror and avoid self loathing?

And in your formative years to boot...
What are you, like 14? (-->"lol"<-- Laugh)

My muscles are weak enough that the two balance out. Tongue


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ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

Thanks for the laugh.

In case it wasn't clear, I stopped arguing with you after your first response to my post. You asked for example of a statement you made that sounded racist. I gave you one. You didn't seem to understand, and, instead or continuing a reasoned argument, resorted to a typical cop-out of grade-school name-calling.

Now we are done with arguing, we are just feeding a troll.


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lena_chita wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

Thanks for the laugh.

In case it wasn't clear, I stopped arguing with you after your first response to my post. You asked for example of a statement you made that sounded racist. I gave you one. You didn't seem to understand, and, instead or continuing a reasoned argument, resorted to a typical cop-out of grade-school name-calling.

Now we are done with arguing, we are just feeding a troll.
Sly nom nom nom


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curt wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.
Yes, the poor woman. How will she survive with this knowledge?

Obviously OT is also gay. And, I don't hate fags. I have friends who are fags.

Curt

lurve you too.


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drivel wrote:
curt wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
camhead wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

I'm sure Lena is devastated at this news.
Yes, the poor woman. How will she survive with this knowledge?

Obviously OT is also gay. And, I don't hate fags. I have friends who are fags.

Curt

lurve you too.

Ditto dude. Cool

Curt


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ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
I cannot quite figure out which culture ObviousTroll and I share as "our culture", so I can't quite figure out which culture I had wronged.

But 'biner is clearly not the bitch here, so she must have balls, so she must be a man?

Gawd... If you were my girl friend I would have dumped you if this is how you argue with people.

Thanks for the laugh.

In case it wasn't clear, I stopped arguing with you after your first response to my post. You asked for example of a statement you made that sounded racist. I gave you one. You didn't seem to understand, and, instead or continuing a reasoned argument, resorted to a typical cop-out of grade-school name-calling.

Now we are done with arguing, we are just feeding a troll.
Sly nom nom nom


Careful, all those noms will go straight to your hips. Tongue


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So here's a question for Lena - or anyone on her team. You are fond of throwing the word "racist" around. Can you define it?


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olderic wrote:
So here's a question for Lena - or anyone on her team. You are fond of throwing the word "racist" around. Can you define it?
OED wrote:
racist, n. and adj.
Pronunciation: Brit.
Etymology: < racist suffix, perhaps after French raciste (1895 as adjective, 1924 as noun). Compare earlier racialist n., racialist adj. Compare also racism n.
A. n.

An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities. Cf. racialist n.
1926 Manchester Guardian 22 Sept. 5 If the French people and Government show that they desire to come to a real understanding the opposition of the German Nationals and the Racists will be nullified and will soon disappear altogether.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 385 The government bloc reached an understanding with the most notorious Racists.
1940 R. Benedict Race: Science & Politics vii. 214 Classic German racists..ascribed all achievements beyond the Alps to infiltrations of northern blood.
1965 San Francisco Examiner 15 Apr. 34/5, I recently heard a man denounced as a racist for having observed that the rate of illegitimacy in New York is 14 times as high among the Negro population as among the white.
1978 S. Biko I write what I Like iii. 25 In other words one cannot be a racist unless he has the power to subjugate.
1992 Independent 14 Feb. 6/1 The minister responsible for Europe was labelled a racist yesterday after he allegedly referred to the French as ‘frogs’.
2004 H. Kennedy Just Law (2005) x. 228 There are better ways of dealing with racists than just locking them up.
B. adj.

Of, relating to, or characterized by racism. Cf. racialist adj.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 383 That such arbitrary tactics were not applied solely to the Left Opposition is made clear by the complaint of the Racist deputy Eckhardt.
1938 Mag. Digest Aug. 22 The racist revue, Archiv für Biologie und Rassengesellschaft, one of the organs of the National Socialist Party.
1957 P. Worsley Trumpet shall Sound App. 268 Racist doctrines and rule by force ‘worked’ to a degree in the short run of Nazidom.
1979 Globe & Mail (Toronto) 28 Nov. 8/4 [Mr. Levesque] can't bear any suggestion that he or his party could be racist, could treat non-francophones as second-class citizens.
1992 New Statesman & Society 4 Dec. 5/1 (heading) Ministers are reinforcing a climate of hostility over refugees by linking them with racist violence.
Derivatives


racistic adj.
1950 E. W. Count This is Race 734 Combating racistic theories.
1963 Observer 7 Apr. 22/2 This society is dedicated to pleasure and not over-concerned with the big racistic abstractions.
1970 Harper's Mag. Apr. 6/2 Because the preponderant white community is largely racistic, it is necessary to transform our entire society.
1981 Westindian World 18 Sept. 2/2 They can be as racistic as they please.
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A classic appeal to authority....


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dr_feelgood wrote:
olderic wrote:
So here's a question for Lena - or anyone on her team. You are fond of throwing the word "racist" around. Can you define it?
OED wrote:
racist, n. and adj.
Pronunciation: Brit.
Etymology: < racist suffix, perhaps after French raciste (1895 as adjective, 1924 as noun). Compare earlier racialist n., racialist adj. Compare also racism n.
A. n.

An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities. Cf. racialist n.
1926 Manchester Guardian 22 Sept. 5 If the French people and Government show that they desire to come to a real understanding the opposition of the German Nationals and the Racists will be nullified and will soon disappear altogether.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 385 The government bloc reached an understanding with the most notorious Racists.
1940 R. Benedict Race: Science & Politics vii. 214 Classic German racists..ascribed all achievements beyond the Alps to infiltrations of northern blood.
1965 San Francisco Examiner 15 Apr. 34/5, I recently heard a man denounced as a racist for having observed that the rate of illegitimacy in New York is 14 times as high among the Negro population as among the white.
1978 S. Biko I write what I Like iii. 25 In other words one cannot be a racist unless he has the power to subjugate.
1992 Independent 14 Feb. 6/1 The minister responsible for Europe was labelled a racist yesterday after he allegedly referred to the French as ‘frogs’.
2004 H. Kennedy Just Law (2005) x. 228 There are better ways of dealing with racists than just locking them up.
B. adj.

Of, relating to, or characterized by racism. Cf. racialist adj.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 383 That such arbitrary tactics were not applied solely to the Left Opposition is made clear by the complaint of the Racist deputy Eckhardt.
1938 Mag. Digest Aug. 22 The racist revue, Archiv für Biologie und Rassengesellschaft, one of the organs of the National Socialist Party.
1957 P. Worsley Trumpet shall Sound App. 268 Racist doctrines and rule by force ‘worked’ to a degree in the short run of Nazidom.
1979 Globe & Mail (Toronto) 28 Nov. 8/4 [Mr. Levesque] can't bear any suggestion that he or his party could be racist, could treat non-francophones as second-class citizens.
1992 New Statesman & Society 4 Dec. 5/1 (heading) Ministers are reinforcing a climate of hostility over refugees by linking them with racist violence.
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racistic adj.
1950 E. W. Count This is Race 734 Combating racistic theories.
1963 Observer 7 Apr. 22/2 This society is dedicated to pleasure and not over-concerned with the big racistic abstractions.
1970 Harper's Mag. Apr. 6/2 Because the preponderant white community is largely racistic, it is necessary to transform our entire society.
1981 Westindian World 18 Sept. 2/2 They can be as racistic as they please.
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A classic appeal to authority....
I'd prefer an actual approach to original thought - as opposed to knee jerk reaction. You don't get much of that around here.


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So here's a question for Lena - or anyone on her team. You are fond of throwing the word "racist" around. Can you define it?

if the shoe fits..........


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olderic wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
olderic wrote:
So here's a question for Lena - or anyone on her team. You are fond of throwing the word "racist" around. Can you define it?
OED wrote:
racist, n. and adj.
Pronunciation: Brit.
Etymology: < racist suffix, perhaps after French raciste (1895 as adjective, 1924 as noun). Compare earlier racialist n., racialist adj. Compare also racism n.
A. n.

An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities. Cf. racialist n.
1926 Manchester Guardian 22 Sept. 5 If the French people and Government show that they desire to come to a real understanding the opposition of the German Nationals and the Racists will be nullified and will soon disappear altogether.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 385 The government bloc reached an understanding with the most notorious Racists.
1940 R. Benedict Race: Science & Politics vii. 214 Classic German racists..ascribed all achievements beyond the Alps to infiltrations of northern blood.
1965 San Francisco Examiner 15 Apr. 34/5, I recently heard a man denounced as a racist for having observed that the rate of illegitimacy in New York is 14 times as high among the Negro population as among the white.
1978 S. Biko I write what I Like iii. 25 In other words one cannot be a racist unless he has the power to subjugate.
1992 Independent 14 Feb. 6/1 The minister responsible for Europe was labelled a racist yesterday after he allegedly referred to the French as ‘frogs’.
2004 H. Kennedy Just Law (2005) x. 228 There are better ways of dealing with racists than just locking them up.
B. adj.

Of, relating to, or characterized by racism. Cf. racialist adj.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 383 That such arbitrary tactics were not applied solely to the Left Opposition is made clear by the complaint of the Racist deputy Eckhardt.
1938 Mag. Digest Aug. 22 The racist revue, Archiv für Biologie und Rassengesellschaft, one of the organs of the National Socialist Party.
1957 P. Worsley Trumpet shall Sound App. 268 Racist doctrines and rule by force ‘worked’ to a degree in the short run of Nazidom.
1979 Globe & Mail (Toronto) 28 Nov. 8/4 [Mr. Levesque] can't bear any suggestion that he or his party could be racist, could treat non-francophones as second-class citizens.
1992 New Statesman & Society 4 Dec. 5/1 (heading) Ministers are reinforcing a climate of hostility over refugees by linking them with racist violence.
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racistic adj.
1950 E. W. Count This is Race 734 Combating racistic theories.
1963 Observer 7 Apr. 22/2 This society is dedicated to pleasure and not over-concerned with the big racistic abstractions.
1970 Harper's Mag. Apr. 6/2 Because the preponderant white community is largely racistic, it is necessary to transform our entire society.
1981 Westindian World 18 Sept. 2/2 They can be as racistic as they please.
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A classic appeal to authority....
I'd prefer an actual approach to original thought - as opposed to knee jerk reaction. You don't get much of that around here.

I don't think that you really need much introspective subtlety or even original thought to be able to tell that jbone was spouting some racist bullshit.


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olderic wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
olderic wrote:
So here's a question for Lena - or anyone on her team. You are fond of throwing the word "racist" around. Can you define it?
OED wrote:
racist, n. and adj.
Pronunciation: Brit.
Etymology: < racist suffix, perhaps after French raciste (1895 as adjective, 1924 as noun). Compare earlier racialist n., racialist adj. Compare also racism n.
A. n.

An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities. Cf. racialist n.
1926 Manchester Guardian 22 Sept. 5 If the French people and Government show that they desire to come to a real understanding the opposition of the German Nationals and the Racists will be nullified and will soon disappear altogether.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 385 The government bloc reached an understanding with the most notorious Racists.
1940 R. Benedict Race: Science & Politics vii. 214 Classic German racists..ascribed all achievements beyond the Alps to infiltrations of northern blood.
1965 San Francisco Examiner 15 Apr. 34/5, I recently heard a man denounced as a racist for having observed that the rate of illegitimacy in New York is 14 times as high among the Negro population as among the white.
1978 S. Biko I write what I Like iii. 25 In other words one cannot be a racist unless he has the power to subjugate.
1992 Independent 14 Feb. 6/1 The minister responsible for Europe was labelled a racist yesterday after he allegedly referred to the French as ‘frogs’.
2004 H. Kennedy Just Law (2005) x. 228 There are better ways of dealing with racists than just locking them up.
B. adj.

Of, relating to, or characterized by racism. Cf. racialist adj.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 383 That such arbitrary tactics were not applied solely to the Left Opposition is made clear by the complaint of the Racist deputy Eckhardt.
1938 Mag. Digest Aug. 22 The racist revue, Archiv für Biologie und Rassengesellschaft, one of the organs of the National Socialist Party.
1957 P. Worsley Trumpet shall Sound App. 268 Racist doctrines and rule by force ‘worked’ to a degree in the short run of Nazidom.
1979 Globe & Mail (Toronto) 28 Nov. 8/4 [Mr. Levesque] can't bear any suggestion that he or his party could be racist, could treat non-francophones as second-class citizens.
1992 New Statesman & Society 4 Dec. 5/1 (heading) Ministers are reinforcing a climate of hostility over refugees by linking them with racist violence.
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racistic adj.
1950 E. W. Count This is Race 734 Combating racistic theories.
1963 Observer 7 Apr. 22/2 This society is dedicated to pleasure and not over-concerned with the big racistic abstractions.
1970 Harper's Mag. Apr. 6/2 Because the preponderant white community is largely racistic, it is necessary to transform our entire society.
1981 Westindian World 18 Sept. 2/2 They can be as racistic as they please.
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A classic appeal to authority....
I'd prefer an actual approach to original thought - as opposed to knee jerk reaction. You don't get much of that around here.
You are just pissy that I went to the undisputed authority on the english language rather than attempting to form a definition which you could attempt to criticize. Not to sound like too much of an intellectual elitist, but a large part of knowledge is knowing the appropriate source to find information for analysis.
And, according to the OED's definition, jbone's earlier statements were distinctly racist.


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You are just pissy that I went to the undisputed authority on the english language rather than attempting to form a definition which you could attempt to criticize. Not to sound like too much of an intellectual elitist, but a large part of knowledge is knowing the appropriate source to find information for analysis.
And, according to the OED's definition, jbone's earlier statements were distinctly racist.

I just imagine that when you say this it sounds like you're plugging your nose. It's just so cliche that a geeky post whore would respond with something he thinks is clever but is really just elementary childish BS.


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camhead wrote:
olderic wrote:
dr_feelgood wrote:
olderic wrote:
So here's a question for Lena - or anyone on her team. You are fond of throwing the word "racist" around. Can you define it?
OED wrote:
racist, n. and adj.
Pronunciation: Brit.
Etymology: < racist suffix, perhaps after French raciste (1895 as adjective, 1924 as noun). Compare earlier racialist n., racialist adj. Compare also racism n.
A. n.

An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities. Cf. racialist n.
1926 Manchester Guardian 22 Sept. 5 If the French people and Government show that they desire to come to a real understanding the opposition of the German Nationals and the Racists will be nullified and will soon disappear altogether.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 385 The government bloc reached an understanding with the most notorious Racists.
1940 R. Benedict Race: Science & Politics vii. 214 Classic German racists..ascribed all achievements beyond the Alps to infiltrations of northern blood.
1965 San Francisco Examiner 15 Apr. 34/5, I recently heard a man denounced as a racist for having observed that the rate of illegitimacy in New York is 14 times as high among the Negro population as among the white.
1978 S. Biko I write what I Like iii. 25 In other words one cannot be a racist unless he has the power to subjugate.
1992 Independent 14 Feb. 6/1 The minister responsible for Europe was labelled a racist yesterday after he allegedly referred to the French as ‘frogs’.
2004 H. Kennedy Just Law (2005) x. 228 There are better ways of dealing with racists than just locking them up.
B. adj.

Of, relating to, or characterized by racism. Cf. racialist adj.
1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 383 That such arbitrary tactics were not applied solely to the Left Opposition is made clear by the complaint of the Racist deputy Eckhardt.
1938 Mag. Digest Aug. 22 The racist revue, Archiv für Biologie und Rassengesellschaft, one of the organs of the National Socialist Party.
1957 P. Worsley Trumpet shall Sound App. 268 Racist doctrines and rule by force ‘worked’ to a degree in the short run of Nazidom.
1979 Globe & Mail (Toronto) 28 Nov. 8/4 [Mr. Levesque] can't bear any suggestion that he or his party could be racist, could treat non-francophones as second-class citizens.
1992 New Statesman & Society 4 Dec. 5/1 (heading) Ministers are reinforcing a climate of hostility over refugees by linking them with racist violence.
Derivatives


racistic adj.
1950 E. W. Count This is Race 734 Combating racistic theories.
1963 Observer 7 Apr. 22/2 This society is dedicated to pleasure and not over-concerned with the big racistic abstractions.
1970 Harper's Mag. Apr. 6/2 Because the preponderant white community is largely racistic, it is necessary to transform our entire society.
1981 Westindian World 18 Sept. 2/2 They can be as racistic as they please.
Oxford University Press

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A classic appeal to authority....
I'd prefer an actual approach to original thought - as opposed to knee jerk reaction. You don't get much of that around here.

I don't think that you really need much introspective subtlety or even original thought to be able to tell that jbone was spouting some racist bullshit.

Misguided and lacking in perspective, most certainly. Racist, maybe.

Racist is a pretty big conclusion to jump to (yes, I know this is the soapbox and that is what we do here) based on a few posts that are clearly intended to be contrarian and argumentative. Might want to go a little easy with throwing that label around. Just sayin.


Just went back and read the first page. I should not have responded based on memory alone.

Racist.


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dr_feelgood wrote:
Not to sound like too much of an intellectual...

Oh, no worries there, bro.


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I Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion. The producers of the commercial managed to find an African-American climber for the ad. Check it out and let me know what you think: http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7I_e/coors-light-v-spot-mountain-climbing


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JoyTrip wrote:
I Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion. The producers of the commercial managed to find an African-American climber for the ad. Check it out and let me know what you think: http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7I_e/coors-light-v-spot-mountain-climbing

Totally cheesy ad, and represents climbing about as well as the Vertical Limit, but still, that's great that it's got a black climber in it. And Ice Cube, of course.

And, in similar news to the overall gist of this thread, this kid is crushing lately...

https://www.dpmclimbing.com/...ew/514c-kai-lightner


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Yes very cheesy, not necessarily a sincere represenation of the sport. But that wasn't the point. To the producers' credit they managed to find an experienced athlete to play the part and offer an authentic representation of black climbers to an audience of black consumers. That kind of equity in advertising that shows a range of participation across racial lines is a sign of progress


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Oh, and if Hitler-like tactics could help you learn proper spelling and use of apostrophes, I say bring on the final solution, douchebag.

One of your best lines ever, Cammy.

I forgot about this thread. Holy shit.


notapplicable


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I Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion. The producers of the commercial managed to find an African-American climber for the ad. Check it out and let me know what you think: http://www.ispot.tv/...ot-mountain-climbing

HA! I had forgotten about the whole "tap the rockies" thing. That was pretty good.


styndall


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JoyTrip wrote:
I Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who participated in the discussion. The producers of the commercial managed to find an African-American climber for the ad. Check it out and let me know what you think: http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7I_e/coors-light-v-spot-mountain-climbing

Ha, that's cool. Also, I'd like to apologize again for all the crazy racists.


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Just wanted to say thanks for introducing me to Kai Lightner via his YouTube video. Rock & Ice is publishing a profile I'm writing about him. Amazing kid with a great story.


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