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Details are thin so far, but Simone Moro, Ueli Steck and Jonathan Griffith were attacked by a group of sherpas.

Facts:
-The sherpas where fixing ropes and asking the three to wait for them to finish work.

- The trio continued climbing to the side of the lines.

- later in camp they were sourrounded by sherpas and hit with stones, bottles and fists,

detailed report on ukclimbing


http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/...wl&NewsID=374521

simone moro's view in italian google translate

john griffith (with google translate) says the exepedition has ended

edited to add and remove some urls


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Stay tuned, UFC Everest! But with Ice Axes.


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Ueli Steck??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...k-Mount-Everest.html

This site says it was "Wool Stick" (See 5th photo down caption)


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Kartessa wrote:
Ueli Steck??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...k-Mount-Everest.html

This site says it was "Wool Stick" (See 5th photo down caption)

ah, the fun of auto-translate. (steck could be translated to stick)


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Kartessa wrote:
Ueli Steck??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...k-Mount-Everest.html

This site says it was "Wool Stick" (See 5th photo down caption)


interview with simone moro


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Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .


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majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

You do realize that the sherpas are fixing lines so Joe Blow from Idaho can learn how to put on crampons and become a motivational speaker, right?


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majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Did you read the facts, or are you just shooting from the hip ? If so, tell me what justified trying to kill them. Not to mention how horrible PR it would be for Everest guiding companies (and subsequent unemployment for the sherpas), if they got an image of being blood thirsty savages.


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jomagam wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Did you read the facts, or are you just shooting from the hip ? If so, tell me what justified trying to kill them. Not to mention how horrible PR it would be for Everest guiding companies (and subsequent unemployment for the sherpas), if they got an image of being blood thirsty savages.

I have several hi-alt Sherpa friends and climbed with them in Khumbo area. I am very well aware how non-local climbers treat sherpas especially some of the spoiled European climbers. This event is not the first time nor will be the last time.These rich high profile climbers and their clients better learn how to respect porters and Sherpas. Sherpas risks their lives fixing ropes, carry heavy load up the mountains .fix tents ,cook food and rescue pussies up there so give them slack and let them do their job.


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majid_sabet wrote:
jomagam wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Did you read the facts, or are you just shooting from the hip ? If so, tell me what justified trying to kill them. Not to mention how horrible PR it would be for Everest guiding companies (and subsequent unemployment for the sherpas), if they got an image of being blood thirsty savages.

I have several hi-alt Sherpa friends and climbed with them in Khumbo area. I am very well aware how non-local climbers treat sherpas especially some of the spoiled European climbers. This event is not the first time nor will be the last time.These rich high profile climbers and their clients better learn how to respect porters and Sherpas. Sherpas risks their lives fixing ropes, carry heavy load up the mountains .fix tents ,cook food and rescue pussies up there so give them slack and let them do their job.

I stand corrected. All three of them should have obviously been clubbed to death.


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majid_sabet wrote:
jomagam wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Did you read the facts, or are you just shooting from the hip ? If so, tell me what justified trying to kill them. Not to mention how horrible PR it would be for Everest guiding companies (and subsequent unemployment for the sherpas), if they got an image of being blood thirsty savages.

I have several hi-alt Sherpa friends and climbed with them in Khumbo area. I am very well aware how non-local climbers treat sherpas especially some of the spoiled European climbers. This event is not the first time nor will be the last time.These rich high profile climbers and their clients better learn how to respect porters and Sherpas. Sherpas risks their lives fixing ropes, carry heavy load up the mountains .fix tents ,cook food and rescue pussies up there so give them slack and let them do their job.

I hear they offer turndown service at base camp now


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majid_sabet wrote:
These rich high profile climbers and their clients better learn how to respect porters and Sherpas.

So if I understand you correctly the mentioned climbers who are attempting a new route without the use of supplemental oxygen or the ropes fixed by the sherpas are not only RICH, but they are guiding clients while doing this?


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vinnie83 wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
These rich high profile climbers and their clients better learn how to respect porters and Sherpas.

So if I understand you correctly the mentioned climbers who are attempting a new route without the use of supplemental oxygen or the ropes fixed by the sherpas are not only RICH, but they are guiding clients while doing this?

I am not sure if they are guiding clients or not but last time I checked, you have to have pay at least $35k to go and play around Everest and if you are doing FA on something new out there, I am certain you have to go a couple of times and that will cost more.

Spending 60+ days in BC cost money but these guys are good at sucking REDBULL or some other sponsorship to support their expenses.

At the end, I smell trouble and disaster in hi-alt where too many people are doing too many stupid things and now is the speed record on the face of mother of all gods.


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majid_sabet wrote:
vinnie83 wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
These rich high profile climbers and their clients better learn how to respect porters and Sherpas.

So if I understand you correctly the mentioned climbers who are attempting a new route without the use of supplemental oxygen or the ropes fixed by the sherpas are not only RICH, but they are guiding clients while doing this?

I am not sure if they are guiding clients or not but last time I checked, you have to have pay at least $35k to go and play around Everest and if you are doing FA on something new out there, I am certain you have to go a couple of times and that will cost more.

Spending 60+ days in BC cost money but these guys are good at sucking REDBULL or some other sponsorship to support their expenses.

At the end, I smell trouble and disaster in hi-alt where too many people are doing too many stupid things and now is the speed record on the face of mother of all gods.

They were not guiding clients and few people would consider these guys rich in monetary terms (you guessed it, they have sponsors paying most of their expenses). Wasn't aware that these guys are trying to set some kind of speed record as you stated, but then again you couldn't be bothered to read any of the articles in the first place.

"where too many people are doing too many stupid things"
Such as guiding a bunch of clients who have cash, but no mountain sense up the highest mountain in the world. IMHO stringing fixed ropes and leaving trash all over the mountain is pretty disrespectful, but all the sudden these guys try to summit by fairer means and they are the assholes?

Ueli Steck's account of the incident
http://www.uelisteck.ch/...eilung-29042013.html
The sherpas may have a different account and it deserves to be heard as well, but on a mountain like Everest I find it hard to believe that you can spend any amount of time on it without getting ice knocked down on you.


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majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Disaster? Caused by foreigners? Very quick to judge. Your predisposition to assume these guys provoked an attack on their lives is alarmng. Maybe you're just butthurt that somebody posted the story here before your injury mongering ass could post it in A&I.


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majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Disaster? Caused by foreigners? Very quick to judge. Your predisposition to assume these guys provoked an attack on their lives is alarmng. Maybe you're just butthurt that somebody posted the story here before your injury mongering ass could post it in A&I.
Just typical Majid talking out of his ass again...ignore.


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Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Disaster? Caused by foreigners? Very quick to judge. Your predisposition to assume these guys provoked an attack on their lives is alarmng. Maybe you're just butthurt that somebody posted the story here before your injury mongering ass could post it in A&I.

here is the disaster

Sherpas were out to kill us, say Everest climbers

by: ROBIN PAGNAMENTA
From: AFP, The Times
April 30, 2013 10:12AM



A CLIMBER has spoken of how he and two famous mountaineers were forced to flee for their lives after a mob of 100 angry sherpas pelted them with stones, wielded ice axes and threatened to murder them during a "terrifying" brawl close to the summit of Everest.

"We were certain we were going to be killed," said Jonathan Griffith, a British photographer who was accompanying Ueli Steck, of Switzerland, and Simone Moro, of Italy. "We were incredibly lucky to get away with our lives," he said, speaking from the Everest base camp.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/...b64oi6-1226632110175


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csproul wrote:
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majid_sabet wrote:
Another disaster caused by spoiled foreign stuck ups who think then own the mountains and they can do anything out there .

Sherpas should kick their asses and throw them all out of the khumbo but again, locals need money so its a love and hate relationship on top of the world .

Disaster? Caused by foreigners? Very quick to judge. Your predisposition to assume these guys provoked an attack on their lives is alarmng. Maybe you're just butthurt that somebody posted the story here before your injury mongering ass could post it in A&I.
Just typical Majid talking out of his ass again...ignore.

STFU before I get my ice axe out of garage










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an eyewitness account:


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The men promised that if Simone came out on his knees and begged for forgiveness he would not be hurt. Simone tried to get out of the tent on his knees when he was beaten and forced back inside. Awhile later Melissa asked Simone to get back on his knees outside the tent and ask for forgiveness again. She had been assured by the instigaters that he would not be hurt. So Simone got on his knees to ask for forgiveness and was kicked under the chin, someone tried to stab him with a pen knife, but fortunately the knife hit him in the padded belt of his backpack.

Simone retreated inside the tent again. Marty Schmidt recalled when I talked with him at Camp 2 that he saw a man getting ready to bring a large rock down on Simone's head to kill him. Marty grabbed the rock and the mans arm and shouted “no, no violence.” For his intervention he received a rock to the head himself. Marty was still wearing the bandage on his head when I spoke with him


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This is going to be in National Geographic Magazine


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majid_sabet wrote:
This is going to be in National Geographic Magazine

God, are you thirteen? And no it's not... It's going in Climbing you fool, somebody as respected as Nat Geo doesn't want to do anything that proves you right.


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ObviousTroll wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
This is going to be in National Geographic Magazine

God, are you thirteen? And no it's not... It's going in Climbing you fool, somebody as respected as Nat Geo doesn't want to do anything that proves you right.


No in fact, NG is very interested on the project since BC is turning to a town with sh*t all over . last I heard, they were prostitute out there doing business.


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majid_sabet wrote:
ObviousTroll wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
This is going to be in National Geographic Magazine

God, are you thirteen? And no it's not... It's going in Climbing you fool, somebody as respected as Nat Geo doesn't want to do anything that proves you right.


No in fact, NG is very interested on the project since BC is turning to a town with sh*t all over . last I heard, they were prostitute out there doing business.

NG is prostituting? Damn, times must be tough.


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Here's the Sherpa version of the incident,

http://www.alanarnette.com/...he-sherpas-viewpoint

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I heard on the news that after dis-regrding the Sherpas' request that they wait to climb until after the Sherpas finished fixing the line, the trio went around and kicked off ice that fell and struck one of the Sherpas, injuring him.

While I wasn't there and can't say to what degree the Sherpas' reaction to the trio's action was justified, it certainly was not an unprovoked incident.

The history of treatment (or mistreatment) of Sherpas undoubtedly blew the situation up out of proportion, causing the climbers to suffer for the ills and misconduct of their brethren.

I'm just saying . . .


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Here's the Sherpa version of the incident,

http://www.alanarnette.com/...he-sherpas-viewpoint

Rob.calm

link doesn't work.

this one apparently does: http://www.alanarnette.com/...e-sherpas-viewpoint/


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I heard on the news that after dis-regrding the Sherpas' request that they wait to climb until after the Sherpas finished fixing the line, the trio went around and kicked off ice that fell and struck one of the Sherpas, injuring him.

While I wasn't there and can't say to what degree the Sherpas' reaction to the trio's action was justified, it certainly was not an unprovoked incident.

The history of treatment (or mistreatment) of Sherpas undoubtedly blew the situation up out of proportion, causing the climbers to suffer for the ills and misconduct of their brethren.

I'm just saying . . .


this came from friend of mine who is a Sherpa guide in Everest

On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:23 AM,

Hi

How you been ?

What is going on on Everest ? Fighting ?

Majid

Majid,
Namaste!

There was some misunderstanding between European climbers and Sherpa guides. As I noticed the Sherpas were fixing the rope on lhotse face below camp III and the other climber had kept climbing a head even the Sherpas ask them to wait. Some how the chunk of ice roll down, which was mis locate by the other climbers above. The ice hit on one of the route fixing sherpa and got injured. The discussion started from that point and turn into big issue once they reached back at the camp. The media made it huge issues although the both side considered their mistake and agreed to keep climbing with each others supports. The agreement paper was signed at base camp.

It is very sad news though. Everyone should respect each other.

Thank you.

Best,


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Majid,
I've only climbed stone, so, what I think and say comes from that experience only. Keep that in mind, please before you answer.
My first thought to your post was, if a party chooses to climb past and beyond the sherpas, who are fixing ropes for other parties, isn't that their right to do so?


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Majid,
I've only climbed stone, so, what I think and say comes from that experience only. Keep that in mind, please before you answer.
My first thought to your post was, if a party chooses to climb past and beyond the sherpas, who are fixing ropes for other parties, isn't that their right to do so?

yes and no. in hi alt climbing especially big 8s, the climbers and sherpas work together and have regular meeting to discuss their planning so every one is safe. when sherpas are fixing rope, they are fixing it for everyone so it would be proper to let them finish it up. Sherpas know the mountain and that is their business so whatever they do, generally its to the benefit of everyone .

if you are an individual with ego disregarding locals and something goes wrong then you better be ready to get your ass kicked down at the BC.


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majid_sabet wrote:
if you are an individual with ego disregarding locals and something goes wrong then you better be ready to get your ass kicked down at the BC.


So threatening their lives, pelting them with rocks, and holding hostages corralled in their tent becomes synonomous with "ass kicked off the mountain." :)

Stir the pot.


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May 2, 2013, 8:02 AM
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"The lead fixing Sherpa spoke with one of the 3 climbers at which point physical contact was made, at that point Simone came in verbal contact with a number of the fixing team who had now congregated at one of the anchors to secure themselves from sliding down the face.

Simone began to shout, many of the words in Nepali language, and many of the words were inflammatory. At this point the fixing team made the correct decision to drop their loads of rope and hardware, attaching them to the installed line, and descend without any further interaction or confrontation with the 3 climbers. The fixing team descended to camp 2 and went to their respective camps as a number of expedition teams work together to fix the route on Mt. Everest. As the fixing team descended to camp 2, Simone radioed down requesting to know what the Sherpa were talking about. At one point Simone stated over open radio frequency (fixing frequency-tuned in by all the fixing teams and anyone listening on the mountain) that if the Sherpa had a problem he could come down to Camp 2 soon and “f—ing fight”. "

This big mouth shoved one of the sherpas while they were trying to do their job, cussed them out, and challenged them to a fight (if this account is correct).

Don't start something you can't finish. Having been to Nepal and interacted with sherpas, I tend to believe this account. They are kind and humble people.


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May 2, 2013, 8:39 PM
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well this whole thing reminds me as this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D7rWLzloOI


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dynosore wrote:
This big mouth shoved one of the sherpas while they were trying to do their job, cussed them out, and challenged them to a fight (if this account is correct).

Don't start something you can't finish. Having been to Nepal and interacted with sherpas, I tend to believe this account. They are kind and humble people.

Also, according to this account, the Sherpas formed a large vicious mob threatening murder. Doesn't sound kind or humble. No one is reporting a one on one fight between a couple of over heated guys.


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