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I have to choose either of the coasts before my job interviews that are due in next few days. I am originally from India and it's only been about 5 months since I landed in US for my masters. I am currently in Bloomington, Indiana and would like to know about the climbing scene in the mid west as well. Basically, if I want to continue climbing regularly, what makes more sense? NY, San Francisco or Chicago? those are my possible work place locations. I have only been to NY; so no idea about other two places or coasts in general.


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What kind of climbing do you do?


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bouldering and sport.


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I assume you are interested in outdoor climbing?


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oh yes! Hence the confusion. Otherwise any city would have been fine :)


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If it were me, I would choose: (in no particular order)
Colorado
Utah
West Virgina
California
Kentucky


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I wish i had those options( colorado, utah) :(. but i don't.
So nothing on the east coast i guess?


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if you go to NYC you can go to Gunks. If you go to BOS you can get to New Hampshire climbing areas.


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gblauer wrote:
if you go to NYC you can go to Gunks. If you go to BOS you can get to New Hampshire climbing areas.
Realizing that there is no sport climbing in the Gunks.

Now there are trad routes that have seen 50,000 ascents, so if you know the exact gear, they really aren't much different at all from sport climbs, despite the delusion of many Gunks regulars thinking they're trad climbers.


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thanks a lot!


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Chicago or Madison, WI are close to Devil's Lake and Jackson Falls which have a lifetime of climbing available. Lots of Chicagoans think nothing of driving 6 hours to the Red in Kentucky.


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trekkergirl wrote:
I have to choose either of the coasts before my job interviews that are due in next few days. I am originally from India and it's only been about 5 months since I landed in US for my masters. I am currently in Bloomington, Indiana and would like to know about the climbing scene in the mid west as well. Basically, if I want to continue climbing regularly, what makes more sense? NY, San Francisco or Chicago? those are my possible work place locations. I have only been to NY; so no idea about other two places or coasts in general.
Can't say how much spport there is in Nor Cal. But there is, with reservation, more climbing to be had here than NY or Chi combined.


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San Francisco = lots of climbing, of pretty much any type, in the region.

Chicago = pretty much nothing.

NY = long drives, muggy summers and cold, wet winters. Not much sport climbing unless you drive to Rumney, Gunks are reasonably close if you like trad. There's sporadic pockets of other stuff around but not much in the way of destinations.

I'd look at Denver or Salt Lake. I moved away from NY (to New Mexico) because I hate the east coast summers.


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Seems to me like west coast in general would be a better choice! thank you people!


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trekkergirl wrote:
Seems to me like west coast in general would be a better choice! thank you people!
I think some of us are confused as to why it must be either of the coasts. If it's climbing you want, there are much better choices than NYC or SF.


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it's because my possible job locations right now are either east or west!
I would like to be at Denver but then the area of work I am into would not have many opportunities for growth there!


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Just remember that at some point in your income, time becomes worth more than money. Quality of life is more important to most climbers than promotional opportunities.

Everyone has their own notion of quality of life and you should define what that is for you. I live in Fayetteville, WV. 2500 routes (and growing) just a few minutes from our house, low cost of living, friendly people, and no giant egos. Not to mention kayaking and mountain biking. That is quality of life to me.


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it's because my possible job locations right now are either east or west!
I would like to be at Denver but then the area of work I am into would not have many opportunities for growth there!
I'm curious as to what profession is so specialized that working in it limits someone to the coasts or Chicago.


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I am into IT Consulting. Do not ask me which firm I would be working for cuz i don't know yet. I am interviewing with EY and PWC and although these firms have offices everywhere, for technology consulting, best locations are coasts or big cities in general as its easier to fly out to client locations. My job will most likely involve travel for 5 days a week to client locations. WHile giving out location preferences for my vertical in these firms, offices like denver or the ones in Utah are displayed as non-applicable for my area of interest work wise.


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trekkergirl wrote:
I am into IT Consulting. Do not ask me which firm I would be working for cuz i don't know yet. I am interviewing with EY and PWC and although these firms have offices everywhere, for technology consulting, best locations are coasts or big cities in general as its easier to fly out to client locations. My job will most likely involve travel for 5 days a week to client locations. WHile giving out location preferences for my vertical in these firms, offices like denver or the ones in Utah are displayed as non-applicable for my area of interest work wise.

IT consulting??? Turn over any rock in almost any city and a couple dozen IT consultants will scurry out. I thought you were going to say something truly location dependent, like big budget movie special effects houses or entertainment law or something similar. You just mentioned only 2 of about 30,000 firms in that space. IT consulting is one of the top 10 most location independent careers, so if you're only looking at 2 of the 10 or so largest firms, I think you're severely limiting all your choices - both career wise as well as climbing access.

I live in Sandy, UT (suburb about 20 miles south of SLC) and have been in some form of IT for over 30 years. One of my immediate neighbors is an IT consultant who, like you are contemplating, spends much of his time on-site at clients. He works out of the San Francisco office and is actually able to do much of his work remotely and is traveling about 50% less than he was 6 years ago.

My company contracted with a development firm to assist us with building a data warehouse and ad-hoc reporting system. It was a 6 month gig. In that time span, the consultants working on the project spent a total of about 20 days actually on site in our office. The rest was GoToMeeting, IM, email, etc.

IMHO you should rethink your entire approach.


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thanks marc801! it helps to have you say what I have wanted to hear.

I am not through with the recruitment process. I am not through with figuring out what my job options will be either. Right now I am looking at opportunities through on-campus recruiting only. The off-line effort has not even begun. In on campus recruitment, there are only 5 firms that are hiring internationals at my school and out of those 5, i have calls from the two that I have already mentioned and hence I am limiting myself to those 2 as of now.

The IT consultant you have mentioned, your neighbor, is after all based out of SFO office i.e. a coast office, right? Also, he had to be in his profession for a while before his travel reduced by 50%. I will be starting at the entry level and from the job description that's offered to us all the info sessions, we are expected to travel 5 days a week. At the moment, I am not relying on the hope that I will be able to work from home or remotely, as much as I would like to.

May be my knowledge is incomplete or may be I am not talking to the right people. But that's the information I have. Thanks a lot for sharing your views! I kinda realize that I should look at more opportunities and this thread is one of those efforts. I might PM you for more info :-)


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You may find that mandatory travel for work will diminish your appetite for travel to get to climbing in your spare time. I'd go west coast for greater variety relative to proximity, and a lengthier climbing season.

Also, do you require visa sponsorship from your prospective employer? A lot of the voices here saying you can find work wherever you please aren't likely talking about the tier of competitiveness of the big 5, and may also be discussing opportunities that aren't as able to do things like sponsorship.


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yes, i do require visa sponsorship and thats the biggest reason for restriction on my potential choices!


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This all makes a whole lot more sense now. Why didn't you mention that earlier? Would have saved a lot of discussion.

In that case, climbing really needs to be a secondary consideration. Get established in your career and whatever you need to do to eventually not need H1B sponsorship. Given that, definitely the west coast offers more from a climbing perspective.


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Honestly... I would consider the best job offer and go that way.

If you choose NYC, the Gunks are great. Sure you'll need to gear up (no bolted routes, for the most part), but it is a very friendly place with lots of female climbers who lead and will be happy to help you along with learning to lead on gear.

I like San Francisco too, and as mentioned, plenty of climbing around there too.

Chicago would be my last choice, due to the cold. The climbing is not as varied and convenient as SF or NY as well.


No doubt a rock gym is going to play a part in your early days here. and it is a god place to meet climbing partners who get outside.

Get yourself established, make some money and get on some climbing trips. Then when/if you get sick of working your butt off in a megacorp, and have your residency secure, you can begin looking at quality of life and decide if the bigger city still works or if you want to huck it all and move to a smaller town/smaller company.

Good luck!


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that just makes sooooo much sense to me Happiegrrrl!!
Thanks a ton!


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 trekkergirl,

You might look into http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_US/us/index.htm . They have an established presence in India, which might be favorable to your situation.

Jim


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Agree with happiegrrrl. Good advice there. Guess that is why she is happy.


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satch wrote:
Just remember that at some point in your income, time becomes worth more than money. Quality of life is more important to most climbers than promotional opportunities.

Everyone has their own notion of quality of life and you should define what that is for you. I live in Fayetteville, WV. 2500 routes (and growing) just a few minutes from our house, low cost of living, friendly people, and no giant egos. Not to mention kayaking and mountain biking. That is quality of life to me.
Well said, I live in a small town close to climbing and kayaking. Would not think of moving to a big city just for money. Personally I wouldn't live in a big city for any amount of money.


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^ Keep in mind the OP has a particular situation. She must work for a company that will assist with her residency status here in the US. Usually, this does mean larger corporations located in metro areas, especially at the start of her career. Though one never knows...maybe a twist of fate will connect her with an awesome situation that lands her near a climbing mecca.


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crjanow wrote:
Well said, I live in a small town close to climbing and kayaking. Would not think of moving to a big city just for money. Personally I wouldn't live in a big city for any amount of money.
How do you define "big city"?


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well in SF, you pretty much feel like you are in Punjab or some old city down in south India and feel free to come in and join the club and if you are in to some software programming then you fit right in where everyone is in the same business. yes, there are some rocks and boulders around here but now these days, you have to wait in line . its worth to mention that living cost in SF is expensive and generally 50% of your income goes to living cost.


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marc801 wrote:
trekkergirl wrote:
it's because my possible job locations right now are either east or west!
I would like to be at Denver but then the area of work I am into would not have many opportunities for growth there!
I'm curious as to what profession is so specialized that working in it limits someone to the coasts or Chicago.

marine biology.

yeah yeah, she already said IT, but there's an answer for you.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
marc801 wrote:
trekkergirl wrote:
it's because my possible job locations right now are either east or west!
I would like to be at Denver but then the area of work I am into would not have many opportunities for growth there!
I'm curious as to what profession is so specialized that working in it limits someone to the coasts or Chicago.

or ship builder

or deep sea fisherman

marine biology.

yeah yeah, she already said IT, but there's an answer for you.


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