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Making my New Dawn and North American look mediocre I give praise to you bro...... Bringing us such routes as Scorched Earth, The Shortest Straw, Sea of Dreams, and (ouch) (damn)......Jolly Roger !!!!!! We give you credit where credit is due. NOT A RETARD we all should know that ! So thanks for the pictures, and ect....
CLIMB ON MASTER !!!!


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PTPP be da man. I fully endorse him as the Perfect Wall Climber, especially as a partner. He has too much patience for his own good, and will put up with all manner of Gumbyesque behavior. Plus, he has his systems down. The idea of dedicated lockers for each and every thing works very well. Now then, if I can just clean as fast as he leads A3+, we'll be OK.


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Time to Bump this thread.

I also am VERY thankful to the DR.
I have learned more in the last year reading his awsome info. than I did reading How to books the last 7 years.


PTPP. I pay homage to your Awsome power...


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just wait until the next issue of Rock&Ice...


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i got his autograph and touched his butt!!!


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I have some PTPP cams that were slightly damaged in the Cratered Pig Incident. RARE! Two #9 Valley Giant Old School given to PTPP after Excalibur. These cams were given to PTPP for his "guiding services", and later had the trigger wires bent to schnitt when the Amazing Flying Whale fell 800 feet off Scorched Earth. They have been fixed by the original manufacturer, and are certified as being Near New. Buy now, before they get posted to eBay.


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Those 9" cams are NOT for sale, as they were earned by putting up with a BWG. [He may be a BWG, but at leasdt he didn't drop the frickin' pig, now did he? Sheesh.]

Anne did not merely touch my butt, she gave it a rather nice fondle as I recall.

In fact, she liked my butt so much she ... well, ya just had to be there, I guess.





The Doc will of couse be offering his *free* Dr. Piton Mini-Big Wall Tutorials in Yosemite this May and June, though people who attended these tutorials last May and June or these tutorials last August and September are probably well aware that little in life is truly *free*.

However, the Doc works cheaply and some of those who have thus far made the investment to schlep a pig or offer a beer have found their investment returned many-fold, especially if they were looking to learn a few rigging tricks or how to solve a big wall problem.

However I have learned recently I have left at least one person a bit disappointed, and I appreciated him letting me know. It was unintentional. Sometimes I spread myself a bit too thinly, and that was evidently one of those times.

Although I will be making a formal announcement later, you can mark your calendars for Saturday May 24 in Camp 5, Curry Village.





Caveat:

On those rare occasions when Dr. Piton chooses to w*rk [sorry, not part of my vocabulary] he is known to sell investments in the stock market. Investment performances may fluctuate, and it is safe to say that a few of my clients are more than a little disappointed and have complained. Fortunately I build redundancy into every system, and have only sold Segregated Funds which guarantee the capital.

As far as Mini-Big Wall Tutorials are concerned, most "clients" have told me they benefited, so I figure that's pretty good, considering the monumental favours I am known to ask.

"Greater love hath none than this - that he pick up a pig for his friend."

Carpe swinem!

With thanks,

Pete


Edit: to eliminate inclusiveness of language


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Yeah, Pete is good people. I never took the opportunity to touch his butt, however did enjoy touching the butt of one of his consenting female wall partners. A little more Baileys and she would have offered to touch a little more as well.

Unfortunately I won't be there to schlep in May due to the fact that I don't hold residence in the Valley and won't be permitted to hold said residence until mid-August. But in October, it's on.

TRADitionally yours,

Cali Dirtbag #6794523


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If you dont have anything nice to say ...........! There is enough negative enegry around so why add to it? I think it strange that a person who quotes Nietzsche also talks about their astrological sign (seems selective eh). I dont think anyone here claimed Pete was a sacred painting or religious master etc. We are just giving him credit for all the work he does. HEY PETE THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK. I LOVE YOUR POSTS. By the way Nietzsche was against pollitically correct phrases like "false icon". For Nietzsche Truth is subjective, " Truth is the Greatest Error."


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By the way Nietzsche was against pollitically correct phrases like "false icon". For Nietzsche Truth is subjective, " Truth is the Greatest Error."

and then there is the little problem of God being dead...


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Ken Kesey wrote that Nurse Ratchet was a "ball-cutter".


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Graffiti:

"God is dead" [signed]

and scrawled beneath:

"Nietzsche is dead" [signed]


Cheers,

PTL and PTPP


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Props to Pete!!

I've heard some interesting things about you.

Catra


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I'm not down with the butt touching. Can I just attend the big wall Mass?


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PTL and PTPP
Are you serious?!
This has gotten scarier than I had thought.


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Arrr-dee-arrr, may-tee!

Just you wait, Catra, til I publish the photos of the Infamous Big Sur Ledge Keg Party of May, 2001!

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!

And Michelle, I am far from being a "heavenly host." Rather, I aspire to be diabolical.......

Well, dang - look at this. "Cat"s and "Lynx"s in the very same post.

Miaow....


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personally, i'm looking forward to doing my first wall with okieterry .. an incredibly cool cat who's overwhelmingly modest of his accomplishments.


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Hey Pete!!!

Leave them kitty-cat's alone!!

See you in the Valley, Ammon

BTW..... good work.


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Like thanks, eh?

I'll know where to look for you, mate - you'll be the one with the cartoon cloud of smoke pouring out of your ass as you go flying up the wall setting new speed records on the Big Stone!

Be sure to stop by some morning for coffee if you're in the neighbourhood, eh? Me and Tom'll be on Bermuda Dunes near the end of May, and plan a slacker day on El Cap Spire [HINT]

As for me, I aspire to continue setting new speed records, like this one on Hans' speedclimbing website.

Stop by Camp 5 for a beer, eh?

Cheers, mate!


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That's funny. I heard that with the right enticement, the good doctor might be persuaded to give a few private lessons?? Anybody else hear about that?? Something about ..........

In reply to:
Note: I climb solo because I can. However, were a shagadelic hottie with a heart of passion, a lust for adventure, and the courage to stand behind her convictions approach me with a reasonable offer, I just might be convinced to share my ledge.... Generally speaking, though, this is next to impossible, as I am extremely selective with my partners. The "plain vanilla" need not apply.


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Pete,

What is up with your obsession with this ONE LINER:

"ya barnacle-bitten scurvy-dog"

Where did it come from? Why do you think it applies to me? AND when will it GO AWAY?


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It was in reference to our frequent bouts of "pirate talk" on the big wall. It's gone. Sorry, mate.

Uh-oh, someone's been doing her homework......


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Thanks


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You salty dogs! I make a living on the big blue but My hats off to the Good Dr. Pitons. He has made me realize I solo not because I have no friends but because
1. I can and
2. I am bitchin!
(said as I look in to the mirror and force a fake smile)

I have read over 100 pages of this guys work, Yes Thanks Brother!
Thank You Much,
Bill


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"The gifted become the target of those less gifted; in fact, by those not only less gifted, but also those without the fortitude to become more gifted by sheer tenacity." - Dr. Johnson


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Have you ever considered, Bill, that you might think yourself so bitchin' that you are actually doing the world a favour by climbing alone?

I have considered this possibility myself many times....

When it comes to climbing, I have never been accused of being "gifted". However "tenacious" is another story altogether. I have sometimes wondered if "tenacious" is my middle name.

Nah. These days, my middle name has to be "REESSAYEZ". "Peter Reessayez Zabrok", that's me all right.

[Now, every Hoser who has ever rrrrrrrrolled up the rrrrrrim will know precisely what I'm talking about, whereas the Merricans can only be shaking their heads about now.]


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Maybe True My Friend, But the world has done me a favor by ploppin my Happy Ass here on Oahu with a very blessed life.
Some of us are just meant to go it alone, I feel a spiritual connection when soloing.

Ammon happy to see you poppin on this thread, Dood I am so lookin' forward to the Big Stone.......and Ready! Cheers to Catra.


Dr. Pitons....as they in the Philippines...Salamat Po Manong!

Bill


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Let me be the 5,956th person to thank you for 2 things:

1) Putting so much effort into giving great advice and just generally sharing, including your great pics.

2) Keeping the humor at an intensely high level. This merits you awards and kudos from everybody I'm sure, even in the face of anger, ignorance and stupidity you hang in there and stay funny and interesting. Your stuff is at least as good as John Longs stuff (high praise indeed), and I bet you don't get nearly as much money. (BTW I'm not excluding myself from ignorance or stupidity nor pointing fingers here:-)

Thanks for it aaaaaaaaaalllllll Pete!!

Keep it coming!

Bill


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I am not sure if I at the moment carry the correct insurance plan.

I seem to have a nasty rash an am unable to scratch it...I am wishing the doctor would be able to assist me...but only know I can afford brewskiis for payment...I do have some old slings which have at least 50% of wear on them....as they are only cut halfway through...
:oops:

but a serious note? is that possible...? :shock: I have learned to adjust my thinking, an find I can read it in a book, an see it on t.v. but only when the DR. PTPP tells me it is ok...will I understand

Thanks to you DR. PTPP for assisting me on my daily problems...I now can enjoy another week of happiness :D :D :D

I surely look forward to hauling all the beer to the base of any climb I am able to join you on...an furthermore...appreciate the opportunity to open said beers an taste test to make sure of their freshness...

May your day find many like myself in need of the great FIVE-STAR DR. PTPP


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it was the "duct tape" scar...i had to touch it...

i was gonna post the picture pete...

butt i think we should keep that between ourselves...and the other 20 ppl in attendance


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OOooooo. There's a picture?? Can I see??
It wouldn't be the one of pete involving hot wax and feathers, would it?


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:lol: no...butt i have seen that one too!!


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I recently posted this under copperhead's audacious challenge to THE MAN PTPP:

well, i am a bit of a n00b to this site and missed the apparently epic 2001 PTPP battle, and i don't know the first thing about aid, but i will say this: i am constantly impressed with PTPP's work. no one else has such quality posts as he does. first off, he is quite a good writer, so his work generally has good vocab/syntax/good literary qualities. also, his use of bold and colored text makes his posts easy to skim thru. then there is the sheer volume of his work; often, his posts will take 10, 15, or more minutes to read. did i mention the helpful links he puts to all pertinant information? i never plan on getting into big wall stuff, but i will still spend an hour or more just skimming through the web of his posts, reading entertaining anecdotes, such as his two near-death caving adventrues, the incident with Tom's pig, ect... i have to take it as a matter of faith that the man knows what he is doing; check out his "reference", editor of Chongo's book, plus God-knows-how-many posts on big wall techniques and the "better way". can he free climb really hard? i dunno. there is that one pic of him bouldering in Hawaii (a really sweet picture btw) and the comment by those youngins who couldn't get up there... plus the guy has his own beer co! how cool is that!

like him or not, u gotta respect the guy.

and, as an aside, i find it rather fascinating how many times Copperhead has responded to his own challenge, yet PTPP hasn't... now who is more mature?....


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xanx...Your profile says that you've been climbing a little over a year. Perhaps Copperhead is in a better position to call BS on Pete's posts than you are to comment on how superb their content is? But wait...Chongo endorses him, so he must be top notch. :lol:


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well, Mr Wallress, if u will read my post a bit more carefully (or perhaps just plain old READ it...) you will see that i do not once praise PTPP's methods. i also admit that i know nothing about aid climbing and aid techniques, so i am in no position to judge them. however, there are a few factors which i have mentioned that make PTPP's posts of high quality, whatever the content (things like language, volume, links, bold, colors, ect...). also, most of the posts of his that i read are non-aid technique related: i don't give a damn how he thinks you should ride your pig or whatever. i really enjoy his stories, his anecdotes. and i think his methods must have some merit; unless, of course, u think an underqulified person could make it up Reticent and climb and SOLO as much as he does... plus there are the numerous testimonials of those who have climbed with him (Tomaz...). i must therefor assume that his methods, if flawed in some small particular or two, are essentially good and safe. i think if he presented unsafe or stupid methods, he would quickley have been flamed into submission.


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I think that there are a number of instances where it has been pointed out that Pete's methods are neither good nor safe.

I could list a number of well known climbers who have met Pete and think that he's either psycho or just a jerk. Perhaps even a few of folks with the names that Pete is so fond of dropping have also been known to head the other way when they see him coming? They aren't here posting about Pete...He's posting about them.

Because Pete solos pre-existing (i.e. pre-headed/riveted/bolted) routes minutes from the road does not make him THE athority. It definately entitles him to an opinion, but I feel that he steps over the line when he sells his way as THE BETTER WAY.

I have only been climbing for a couple of years. I solo. Hopefully this season, I'll solo El Cap a time or two. I suck now and compared to people who are real experts...those that go to remote places and put up hard aid lines mixed with DFU hard free climbing, I will still suck when I'm done with my summer adventures. Compared to these folks, Pete might not suck, but he's just a hobbyist too.

I don't care how well someone organizes their thoughts or how many colors they used to make your head spin while you read them. If the content of the pretty posts has too much crap in it, it will still stink.


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...so you admit that you are not the all-time expert at big wall climbing, and admit that PTPP probably does know more than you, yet still attack him (an my praise of him) in a forum dedicated to praise for PTPP?? seems awefully hypocritical...

again, you seem to have some mental disorder, because i already said i can not say anything as to PTPP's content where it concerns big wall technique. i can understand you missing that in the first post, but i blatently stated it in the second post, and you still persisted in bashing me by saying that PTPP does not know the best way to climb. i am normally not very hostile, but i hate hypocrits and ignoramuses.

go bash PTPP in some other forum, there seem to be quite a few dedicated to just that purpose...

now do u get my point, or should i spam this message 100 times so you perhaps after reading it 70 or so times you will actually see what i mean??

After i thought about this a bit more, my good old sport Wallress, I realize that you argue your point using nothing but hearsay. Hearsay is gossip or rumor. That means that you are substantiating your arguments based on what you have heard other people say about PTPP... sounds rather indirect, doesn't it? Well, it is. That is why it is INADMISSIBLE. You are lucky this is only a web site, because any judge would throw your libelous ass out of court for trying to present inadmissible hearsay to try to prove your point.

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could list a number of well known climbers who have met Pete and think that he's either psycho or
just a jerk. [/brown]

It is possible PTPP is a jerk, or he might be a really nice guy. You can't be sure. The wise man would wait to meet PTPP himself before formulating an opinion. Only a fool, Mr. Wallruss, would use hearsay to support his argument.

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Again, this is hearsay. Would you please be so kind as to tell us which of PTPP's methods you have tried and found to be unsafe? Unless you have done so, do us all a favor and shut up.

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I don't care how well someone organizes their thoughts or how many colors they used to make your
head spin while you read them. If the content of the pretty posts has too much crap in it, it will still
stink. [/brown]

I would have to agree here, Mr. Wallress. Yup, even if you put a nice floral background in, and use pretty fonts and such, your posts will still [olive]stink[/olive] like a climber's shoes at the end of the summer. The crap you smell is the illogic of your "argument", Mr. Wallress. Hearsay does smell like [brown]$H!T[/brown], doesn't it?


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you've impressed me thusfar. not too bad for someone who isn't an alaskan


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{Dr. Piton picks his jaw up off the ground, shakes his head, and then quietly applauds}

My goodness gracious! There actually is someone on this website who understands what hearsay is. For a lad of only sixteen [at least according to the calendar] he is well on his journey towards OB-dom. One of the best flames I've ever read.

I'm not sure what I liked best - the way he called the flamer a fool without actually saying it, or the secret link!

I'll tell you this much, the next time I sue for libel, I want Michael as my lawyer! I lift my beer to ya, mate! Hell, I'll even buy ya one once you're old enough......

Cheers,

Pete

Note: Dr. Piton never purports to "sell" the Better Way - please click here to read Dr. Piton's definition of the Better Way.

Incidentally, the flamer should have gone to the other post to flame me. Sheesh.


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It's Dr. Wallress actually. Ms. is fine as well.

Hmm...I could post PM's that Pete has sent me. Or I could post PM's that Pete has sent to other women on the site. But I won't. My belief that he is an a-hole was formed from his own words. You cite big-wig hot-shot climbers like Chongo that Pete repeatedly assures us are in his fan club. (I'm sure you and Chongo are big buddies too, eh? First hand, my arse.) I'm telling you that all of the big wig climbers that I know who know Pete don't have anything nice to say about the guy with respect to his climbing or his personality. There are other ways in which he has intersected with my personal life without me meeting him face to face, and I'm not going to go into it here. Let's just say it ain't web gossip. Thank GOD I've always managed to narrowly escaped meeting him in person though.

For your information, child, if there's one thing I have quite a lot of experience with it's how overcomplicating your system when you are starting out will leave you screwed. A more complicated system in a beginners hands is almost always more dangerous. Complicated hauling systems are a prime example. Flagging a ledge when you haven't worked out the kinks in your hauling systems or you are don't happen to be on the east side of El Cap or a similarly steep place is another. Tagging gear on 'easy aid' when you are not honed or are not on a super steep route is asking for a snag not to mention it slows you down. No matter how many "practice pitches" you do with rocks in the haulbag as he advocates (not bad advice either), it will be a whole different game when you head out for the real deal.

The more ropes and biners and gadgets that you add to your system, the more likely you are to get confused with your system and end up making a very dangerous mistake like, say, dropping a pig. (BTW, Pete says we all drop things and shouldn't criticize, but there are something like your partner's or you pig's anchoring system that can cost a life or two if you screw them up.) There is safety in moving efficiently (as in quick not lazy) on a wall. Some of these things might be OK in expert hands, but he advocates this stuff for people asking for advice on their first walls.

Have I tried his continuous loop system when soloing? HELL NO! I'm not crazy. Advocating hauling your crap in a paper bag is totally irresponsible. Again, no need to try it. I think a lot of people who have done a few walls, myself included, find Pete's stuff good for a tidbit or two if you can wade through it, but also full of stuff that we know better than to try in the first place.

As I said, I am no expert, that is sure. My resume is far shorter than Pete's, and I would never try to claim otherwise. I pointed to my relative lack of experience to be straight with that point. However, I do climb in Yosemite nearly every weekend and take nearly all of my vacation time to climb. I've climbed big walls w/ partners, and I've climbed alone. I have had major epics due to following over complicated advice. I've simplified my systems and learned to move at a summit-worthy pace. I have also cruised up Grade V climbs in a day with my bf who is a master of how straightforward and pure things can be when you keep it simple and give the rock fighting a chance. When it comes to respecting others opinions about the BETTER WAY, I prefer the advice of Brutus or Karl or Bryan or Ammon, because they are all as or more experienced than Pete and have no egotistical attachment to whether or not I use their advice. They just want to help us all have fun and be safe.


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"There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde
LOL!!! :lol: I guess you'll never have to worry about that. Even if no one else was talking about you, you'd still be talking about yourself enough to more than make up for it.


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Dear Dr. Melissa,

First of all, let me apologize for not realizing you are a lady - at first glance this was not aparent to me. This was very politicaly-incorrect of me, and I can see that you are quite vexed. I would have thought that a doctor would know better than to use hearsay as the foundation of her arguement, a point you seem to have conveniently bypassed in your excellent rant above, which could well be considered a study in "proper application of the red herring."

It is true that I am indeed quite a bit younger than you, and by calling me youth you apear very angry. I can understand why. I might feel the same way if I had as bad a case of foot-in-mouth disease as you. Maybe you're catching it from the cows upon which you're doing your mad cow disease research.

Now, if only someone could come up with a cure for Politically-Correct Angry Woman Disease.

In which case I might suggest, "Physician! Heal thyself!"


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LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!


{Dr. Piton stands and applauds the Mighty Xanx.}

"Bravo! Encore un fois!"

Emphatically youth is not wasted on Michael. This lad is going places in a Big Time Way. The dragonslayer has swung his pen - mightier than the sword - and there is wallress blubber scattered upon the ice.

Micheal, you're hired as my lawyer. I'm putting you On Retainer!

One of the finest flames I have ever read.


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good grief. do you even know melissa? and where in the h*ll did you come up with this analysis? it seems to me that you are entirely too impressionable and just did an amazing job of using really big words to make yourself look incredibly stupid. kudos.

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Dear Dr. Melissa,

First of all, let me apologize for not realizing you are a lady - at first glance this was not aparent to me. This was very politicaly-incorrect of me, and I can see that you are quite vexed. I would have thought that a doctor would know better than to use hearsay as the foundation of her arguement, a point you seem to have conveniently bypassed in your excellent rant above, which could well be considered a study in "proper application of the red herring."

It is true that I am indeed quite a bit younger than you, and by calling me youth you apear very angry. I can understand why. I might feel the same way if I had as bad a case of foot-in-mouth disease as you. Maybe you're catching it from the cows upon which you're doing your mad cow disease research.

Now, if only someone could come up with a cure for Politically-Correct Angry Woman Disease.

In which case I might suggest, "Physician! Heal thyself!"


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damn...i am lost my ladies...whom i respect and adore...


i met pete IRL...he is a colorful character...harmless, helpful, i seriously LAUGHED my ass of with (at) him...and he was sweet to my kids...pete's alright

although i have never climbed with him...several people did that i have climbed with...


i would climb with pete...at least one pitch ;)


BTW...i wasn't asked to write any of this...i think amber knows me better than that...*kisses gurl friend**


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You're doggone damned and double damned right I would hire Michael as my lawyer, Skibaggage.

He's BRILLIANT!!!!

And Annie likes my ass. She wrote so. She even published its picture here on the website. Think: "trademark green pile" [HINT]

Edit: I wrote my comment above after Xanx wrote an even snappier comeback, which disappeared above as miraculously as it appeared. Sheesh.

"Your honour! May I please request a short recess to find my lawyer?!"

Perhaps Michael's counter-argument will appear beneath. Soon? Please?! Sheesh.

Voice of Bob McKenzie to his brother Doug: "Oh sure, like, leave me hangin', eh?




Edit 2: OK, so THERE. Take that you politically-correct angry women

Psst! Hey Mike! Let's talk a bit about courtroom protocol.....


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You are clearly impressionable and are wasting your time on a false icon.

Calling someone "impressionable" generally means that they blindly follow "the herd". i can assure you that i do not blindly support PTPP. I have read what he has written (albiet i don't understand the technical information) and i have read what Wallress has said, and i consciously chose to support PTPP based on what I have observed (NOT based on what i have heard others say about him).

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Do a little research, do a little listening, child. You might learn something. Until then, you are as guilty of hearsay as those you accuse.

Are you familiar with The Bural of Lord Orgaz, by El Greco? see the "child" in the lower left corner? This child, who is no doubt quite "impressionable", is in actuality the only one who is "impressed" by the miracle taking place. Sometimes it takes a child's "ignorant" (or "pure") eyes to see the situation clearly. I can look at this situation as an outsider because i am not embroiled in it. I have listened, and learned more about people than i am want to know.

I don't take kindly to charges of ignorance. I am not some sheep to be hearded by superficial images. I despise the herd and the herd mentality (what PTPP accurately refers to as Big Wall Theory - following stupid things merely because others do).


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Calling someone "impressionable" generally means that they blindly follow "the herd". i can assure you that i do not blindly support PTPP. I have read what he has written (albiet i don't understand the technical information) and i have read what Wallress has said, and i consciously chose to support PTPP based on what I have observed (NOT based on what i have heard others say about him).

You support him yet you dont have the slightest idea about what we are even discussing. Why do you support him?

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Sometimes it takes a child's "ignorant" (or "pure") eyes to see the situation clearly. I can look at this situation as an outsider because i am not embroiled in it. I have listened, and learned more about people than i am want to know.

You have been brainwashed by the Dr.

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I don't take kindly to charges of ignorance. I am not some sheep to be hearded by superficial images. I despise the herd and the herd mentality (what PTPP accurately refers to as Big Wall Theory - following stupid things merely because others do).

You just contradicted yourself. You ARE ignorant and you admitted it.

Accurately How would you know what theory is... and what is stupid and what isnt stupid when you have no knowledge of the climbing systems, let alone any experience with them? Again, you are ignorant.


"Totally dedicated to bouldering though, not too much good stuff up on the ropes."

This appears in your profile. I would definitely agree that a 16-year old bouldering gym rat is the best qualified to tell us that we are stupid for doing things the traditional way. Thanks Mike; I wasn't quite sure.


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wow. i was gonna just end it here and let it go, but Copperhead was just asking for it...

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You support him yet you don’t have the slightest idea about what we are even discussing. Why do you support him?

Again, i do not support him b/c i support his climbing methods. The analytical reader would have picked this up in my other posts... I support him b/c i believe he is an incredible resource to this site (and all without pay...).

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You have been brainwashed by the Dr.
:?: :?: So are you trying to say i am incapable of forming my own opinions, independent of PTPP's influence?? it is awefully presumptuous to claim to know what i am thinking, when you have shown that you don't even understand what i am saying!

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You just contradicted yourself. You ARE ignorant and you admitted it.

no, i actually didn't. i did not admit to being ignorant. hence the "quotation marks". I am what some people would call ignorant, and others would call pure. or did you miss "reading comprehension" when you were a child?

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“Accurately”… How would you know what ‘theory’ is... and what is stupid and what isn’t stupid when you have no knowledge of the climbing systems, let alone any experience with them? Again, you are ignorant.

Again, (and hopefully for the last time) i do not endorse PTPP's climbing methods, i know nothing about aid and could never presume to judge them. Big Wall Theory, as PTPP would surely tell you, is a euphemism for "the stupid way" - the way most people do things. i need not apply exclusively to climbing (e.g. Big Wall Theory of driving ect...).


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keep bouldering...it keeps you tight

and if you feel like it...

www.boldering.com

they arn't so tight assed and effen mighty b/*tches all the time

but expect a few STFU's..and feel the love brother...


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So are you trying to say i am incapable of forming my own opinions, independent of PTPP's
influence?? it is awefully presumptuous to claim to know what i am thinking, when you have shown
that you don't even understand what i am saying.

Now, bad spelling notwithstanding, I laughed my ass off at this!

I had to read Bryan's post three times, and I confess I still couldn't make heads nor tails of what Bryan was trying to say. It's like the voice of illogic is followed by the voice of reason. Michael, I feel your pain when people do not understand or do not read what you have clearly written.

Your client,

Pete

P.S. Look! I respectfully request people stop attempting to flame Michael! Every time he comes back, he's gonna ask me for a higher hourly fee! Sheesh.


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She even published its picture here on the website

ummmm..no i didn't butt if you insist...

THIS IS MY HAND...THIS IS PETE'S ASS

screw it..i actually did link it to a thread...ppl..i need to get beach clothes together..i'm getting naked in the sun for easter...


argue as much as you want..

i like pete...i like a person that makes me laugh...he is safe (my friends are still alive)

on this upcoming wekend, i am going do do something i have never done...talk any bit of OMFG...religion...

Jesus saw a crowd chasing down a woman to stone her and approached them. "What's going on here, anyway?" he asked. One of the crowd responded, "This woman was found committing adultery and the law says we should stone her!"

"Wait," yelled Jesus, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Suddenly, a stone was thrown out from the sky, and knocked the woman on the side of her head.

"Aw, c'mon, Dad ... " Jesus cried, "I'm trying to make a point here!"

www.boldering.com


STFU...and have fun...


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I had to read Bryan's post three times, and I confess I still couldn't make heads nor tails of what Bryan was trying to say.

Then maybe I could help! I found it relatively straightforward and quite clear in meaning. Maybe the sarcasm of the last paragraph escaped you, no? Maybe it was something else. In any case, feel free to "Ask Dr. Coyote" anytime you are confused by a social interaction. Just make sure you title your post "Ask Dr. Coyote..." and be very specific with your questions. (But please keep your questions in a public forum. I hate that little PM game, and I really need the exposure to build up my reputation as a completely wonderful person.) :lol:

(And please notice the extra work I went through to try and get the spelling and grammar right in this post. Although there may still be an error or two, I think I deserve lavish praise for my efforts.)


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Yeah, but you forgot to bold-ify every third word, and consult a thesaurus when your well ran dry.

"I'm a member of polysyllabics anonymous!
I have to say 'extended means of ground transportation'!
I can't just say 'bus'!"

16-year-old bolderers SHOULD visit b.com. And stay there, until they decide they're interested in something other than pure spray. What the hell a boulderer is doing in the aid forum, I have no idea...

nb. Why shouldn't Bryan be flaming the guy? If xanx rolls over to b.com and spouts off like this, he's going to get the same treatment, albeit a bit more concisely. The fact of the matter is that he's out of his depth.

Or, for the other erudite teenyboppers: STFU!


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(And please notice the extra work I went through to try and [sic] get the spelling and grammar right in this post. Although there may still be an error or two, I think I deserve lavish praise for my efforts.)

Should be "to try to get both spelling and grammar correct..."

although the whole expression needs work.

Other than that I have nothing to add to this thread. Piton, Copperhead, and lots of others on this site could climb circles around me, I just drop in once in awhile to see what I can either learn or contribute.


hth,

Brutus


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On the subject of Ms. wallress committing hersay, I would point out a long tradition of respect that climbers and many others adhere to. My point is this...If someone say's something to you, you don't need to repeat what they said to others, especially if what is said is negative.
Example?? If someone were to call Pete an arsehole(which would never happen), and Pete was not there to hear it , Then Melissa is WISE not to go dragging them into this mess! I, To have heard well known and respected climbers scoff at Pete. But that conversation was between us or them and someone else. IT IS NOT RESPECTABLE for me to come hear and start (or add to) a thread proclaiming- " George W. Thinks Pete's an Arse".
Hersay? I think Melissa is simply doing the respectable thing by not drawing these folks into this "war".
Besides she's right..simpler is "the better way"!!! :)
josh


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In reply to:
(And please notice the extra work I went through to try and [sic] get the spelling and grammar right in this post. Although there may still be an error or two, I think I deserve lavish praise for my efforts.)

Should be "to try to get both spelling and grammar correct..."

although the whole expression needs work.

hth,

Brutus

Awesome! I have a detractor! This must mean I'm the most bitchin' wall climber alive! You know, it's only a truly great one who has detractors.

Reminds me of the time I was soloing my home woodie. I was really knackered by a PDH/DFU move. Pull the move and unending glory and praise would be heaped upon me. But if I blew it, I would have been mattress food for sure. I got up into the top step of my Russian aiders with my adjustable fifi tightened to precisely the right length as only a Wall Doctor of my incredible testicular mass can do and reached high and right with my scepter. Since I am left-handed, the move took my full concentration and unbelievable dexterity. But even with my fully extended scepter, the fixed head set between the wood panels remained out of reach. That is when I created the now patented* big wall Russian Aider dyno! Yes kids, that's right, Dr. Coyote did a full-on, four point dyno from his Russian Aiders and hit a perfect clip with a keylock Petzl into a #1 fixed head, and it held. (A full trip report will follow.)

So there you go, you big Brute, No matter the lengths you go to try to stymie Dr. Coyote, you will never succeed. That is simply because my long dong has no compare!

I am Dr. Coyote and this is my first (and I hope last) signature post.

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST!
Unless of course you intend to praise the great Doctor or bump this thread up to its proper place of prominence at the top of the forum page. [hint]

I should also throw a crumb of thanks to all the little people {a.k.a. Big Wall Gumbies} who helped me haul gear to the base and carry my loads off the top.

*Any future mention of the now patented big wall Russian Aider dyno must reference this post and give full praise to Dr. Coyote its inventor. You may contact my agent to negotiate media rights for this or my other tales of wonder and amazement.


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Dude, that was freakin' hilarious.

Ed


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Haha yeah it was.


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Brilliant. You should get your own forum for that... Oh, uh, nevermind.


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That was funny! ATG, I'm now going to bombard you with emails/pm's to start a whole new forum.


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Dr. Coyote,

Excellent. Most excellent...

Though I wouldn't mind hearing more "detraction" from Brutus. He knows what's up.


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He knows what's up.

No doubt! I remember Brutus from my years of lurking (and periodic posting) on rec.climbing. Yep, his posts are always worth a read.


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*Any future mention of the now patented big wall Russian Aider dyno must reference this post and give full praise to Dr. Coyote its inventor. You may contact my agent to negotiate media rights for this or my other tales of wonder and amazement.

D@mn you, I just spluttered coffee all over my keyboard and monitor!

Brutus


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First... That's hillarious, Dr Coyote... I could even hear a 'Nadian accent when I read your Spray-o-Log paridy. I almost killfiled it before I scrolled up to look at the author and realized, then started laughing my ass off. Very good use of bold, linked, enlarged, and colored font. :wink:


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It is possible PTPP is a jerk, or he might be a really nice guy. You can't be sure. The wise man would wait to meet PTPP himself before formulating an opinion. Only a fool, Mr. Wallruss, would use hearsay to support his argument.


Ummm... You didn't even realize that Ms. Wallrus was female, so I think you have proven that it is very easy to formulate an incorrect assessment of someone over the Net. Even when the facts & history are staring you in the face.

The fact is that 95% of PTPP's fans have never met him, and of the over 50 members of the site who finally got the chance to meet him, only a handfull still remain a fan.

I will agree that "hearsay" is invalid, unless the hearsay is the consensus of most (95%) who have met him. To use an analogy... This is how we rate climbs, right ??? Many people climb the route, and the general consensus is averaged into the accepted rating of the climb.

Just do like most... Praise him, meet him, be embarased that you were duped, then ignore him.

Who knows, maybe you will ramain in the 5% of obsequious sycophants that make up his fan base. Until then, you too are acting on the hearsay of the good doctor himself. :roll:

(This post was edited by rrrADAM on May 1, 2008, 10:58 AM)


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Think I will be in that 5%.
We are all climbers and the idea is to have fun.
So is that true PTPP is a jerk ?

Some people are just not cut out for aid...........
go back to sport


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$5 says PTPP doesn't post in this thread again until one of his die-hard "fans" posts some disgusting display of hero worship and makes an idiot of his- or herself. Then Pete's ego will become properly inflated again and he'll be able to bump his self esteem up a little bit more by spraying about something absolutely ridiculous and/or putting down someone who is much more well-liked than him while everyone else stares on in amazement at what a total ass he is.

That's the way it goes every time, with little variation.

Hey Pete... why don't you attempt to defend yourself for a change? Why don't you own up to what you do? In the year and a half I've been here, I haven't seen a single thread in which you reply to what you're being called on instead of bringing up something completely irrelevant or ignoring the charges. Coward. Get some goddamn dignity.

It eludes me how anyone who knows anything about him could possibly idolize a person like Pete.


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well Jules, I guess you told him.....
You can still help us haul some gear around the valley.
We won't hold it against you.


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Some people are just not cut out for aid...........
go back to sport

I mostly Trad brutha... Most of the same pro as Clean Aid, I just don't hang on every piece by standing in aiders, I like to have my hands and feet on the stone. :wink:


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well Jules, I guess you told him.....
You can still help us haul some gear around the valley.
We won't hold it against you.

Aww, cute! You sound just like him.

Does he call you Mini-Me?

Do you have a thing for harassing teenage girls, too?


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why are we posting to this thread instead of the one that copperhead started? i'd rather see bryan's thread on the front page than "praise to ptpp"


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There are no Dr. Piton detractors using this website. Those are vile lies invented by the blood-sucking bastards who would lie to you for their own villainous purposes. Right now, as you read this, the detractors are offline and committing suicide with their free AOL disks, and we are encouraging more of them to do the same. When the poisonous detractors line up together, like a boa constrictor snake, we will stretch it out properly and cut it into pieces. Then, Sordan will roast the bellies of the rat-bastard detractors on the fires of hell. Truly, there are NO detractors. I now inform you that you are too far from reality.


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been drinking apollodorus? i suppose that little rant was better than yet another kicking baby animation.

rrradam - have you ever met pete? correct me if i'm mistaken, but i don't think you have. seems like you are as guilty of injecting hearsay and conjecture as anyone. i've met pete, and i like him much better in person than online. he acts like a human being then, and not his online cartoon persona that gets so cloying after awhile.

juliana pretty much hit the nail on the head like usual though. the effort to praise the goofball little kid who apparently just bought a thesaurus made me gag. nobody bought into that line of crap for a second, yet pete treated it like gospel. absurd.


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Not drinking, reading this website:

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/#quotes


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You are right Andy, I have never met him, but I have been the recipient of most of the complaints. It's always the same thing, only change is the number whove complained.

Andy, did I get anything incorrect in my facts ???

If so, let me know. Don't get me wrong, from what I hear, his technical knowledge is 2nd to few... It's his character and private actions I have issues with.


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im down with both of em. both seem like cool guys too me :o
reading all this gives me different opinions about some of the other people on this site though :roll:


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Sometimes what we say gets a little distorted on line.... I am sure all of us here would click if we were at the rock... It's all about having fun. I think we should back each other more and try to keep the negative things to a min. CLIMB ON


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PTPP....your the true Rock Doctor

YOU are able to make me forget all my pains...butt... I still have need of some advice for the rash on my bumm...I think it may be due to sitting to much at my office chair?

I look forward...or...is it backward? to seeing you for an appointment in May in the Valley

Please make lots of noise...as I am blind in one eye an unable to see out of the other eye.

I will be spreading rose peddles in your path, so as not to let the mighty Dr. Piton's feet touch the ground

Till my eyes focus... :shock: :shock: ....

I bow to the Rock Dr.


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everybody stop messin with pete, everybody stop messin with adam. they both rule. im drunkn but its all good. u guys need to stop meessin with eachothe and climb. i got two words for u. come on.....come on..... hahaha
btw-goto jonos bar


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http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/classic/classic.html


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*ahem*

NOW NOW!

I would urge every one of you who dislikes Pete to closely read his sig:

"There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde

The best way to spite Pete is to ACT LIKE HE DOESN'T EXIST. Coming around here and publicly detesting him is only going to give him a chuckle, and from what I've gathered, I don't think anybody here actually WANTS to give Pete reason to smile. It has been alleged over and over that Pete lives for attention. If this is held to be a bad thing, then quit giving it to him. Simple, right?

This is not an endorsement for Pete. No hero worship. This is simply a point of order.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if some jackass came in and called me a breathless, quivering Petie groupie. But whatever. Flame on, kiddies...


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Why do you all hate this guy so much?


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See through this clouded haze my friends, come through to the light. PTPP attempting to lead you into a false sense of enlightenment. Hitler and Stalin thought they had the "Better Way", and people put them up on a pedestal just as you are with this rock scaring gaper.

Getting carried on Bone.now this remark is way out of line even if for making your pointyou just cant make a trivial out of these historical eventsread your history and understand the malevolence they spread with the cost of human life attached.next time you will be allot more careful using those names as a metaphors :shock: :shock:


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I do not for one hate PTPP. I've never even met him. What some of us dislike is his constant commercial for himself. Calling himself one of the greatest wall climbers around. He is a blind follower of one of the biggest big wall theorists of all time, Chongo. I've met Chongo, he's a nice guy, but a master wall climber??? Nope. As a good friend of mine put it, "Chongo is long on talk and very short on wall". I have a hunch that the book Big Walls by Long/Middendorf will continue to be the standard wall bible for a long time to come.


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Yeah punk, your right. I take it back. I was getting carried away.


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Accepted, Ill see u all real soon :)


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I find it astounding that people are actually detractors of PTPP. I find his style of writing amusing and quite funny. So many trip reports and posts are boring and dull. Pete's style mixes things up and makes reading posts enjoyable. As Pete says, "plain vanilla he aint." Too many climbers, especially those that push the standards such as Pete, are far too serious. It is great to see that Pete can balance the serious routes he does with humorus posting. It is amusing to read a post with a little swagger in it, rather than read a post that is "plain vanilla."

Granted some of his posts may be long, but a skill we should learn and use is skimming. His posts mix in actual events to support his systems which make reading the stories facinating. While there is some information that I will never use, mainly because I don't think I'll ever have the cajones Pete has, he has done many of the wall rats a favor by posting this vital information. It is true that much of the information Pete shares on this site cannot be found elsewhere, in books (except Chongo's), or on the net. For this we thank him. His continued efforts in organizing the material he has posted is great, and saves the rest of us a headache in searching for it. His efforts in organizing such material deserve our thanks. It also surprises me that people complain about his posts. As with anything in life there will always be information we do not need, mixed in with this inforatmation are the answers we look for. The key is to develop critical reading.

Petes character and who he is in person is bar none as well. I can attest to this as I have met him the Valley last year. I'm ashamed to admit it but I am a BWT, although I try to keep my theorizing down to avoid this title. I unfortunately had to bail on my first wall last year-so basically I get that frickin' definition. But regardless of this Pete was willing to share beta, shoot the sh!t with me, and was without a doubt a geniune person. He has always returned my PM's, answered questions, was cognascent, and related to what we were talking about.

Pete, thanks again for your work on this site, and keeping things interesting. Don't go plain vanilla and continue to teach the better way.


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God damn it! I told myself I wouldn't post in this thread anymore!!
But Tradrat said something I found interesting...."Especially Those who push the standards, such as Pete". Pete Push's standards?? Granted I'll admit that he does climb some hard stuff. But Is it setting standards to climb stuff that been done before, and faster? Honestly if you consider all the crap he takes up a wall, as long as he doesn't bail it almost gaurantee's success. I know this sounds weird but IMHO it's almost akin to fixing lines half way up a route!
You want to talk about setting standards, on walls?
Look at what climbers are doing in the BIG mountains. Look at the stuff going up on Shipton and Nameless...and look at the style(some) of these climbers are using. That's pushing standards. Now I'll reiterate that Pete has climbed some hard stuff, But that DOESN"T MAKE HIM THE GREATEST WALL CLIMBER IN THE WORLD!!! And pushing Standards he's not....
josh


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Now, i have read almost all the posts that PTPP has put up and i must say that he does have a lot of good information. I have never met (although i am canadian, and i am suppose to know bob and suzy, and PTPP he he) him, although i am sure he is a great guy. Lets just all have a beer, and then go to our respectable climbing disciplines and climb!!! Please? "Would someone think of the children??) - Rev. Lovejoy (Simpsons)

Rock On PTPP!


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I have a hunch that the book Big Walls by Long/Middendorf will continue to be the standard wall bible for a long time to come.

Although I myself don't use many of Chongo's or Pete's methods, I hafta say that Long/Middendorf was outdated the day I strapped on a pair of Russian Aiders.

I'm constantly adjusting my wall climbing and evaluating/re-evaluating tools and techniques. I suspect Pete and Bryan and many other climbers are doing the same.

I'll never be a cutting edge wall climber. But by sorting through information out there for stuff that makes sense for me, be it from Chongo or Middendorf or Copperhead or my climbing partner Em Holland, I hope to be able to move just a little bit more efficiently.

Brutus


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How many people posting on this site have actually met Pete? I met him a couple of times and was not impressed. He's just like any other spray lord with the exception that he says "eh" a lot more


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Will everyone PLEASE just let this thread DIE?!?

AHHH!

Travis


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I'll be passing through on my way to Owens, if 120 is open...


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rrradam - have you ever met pete? correct me if i'm mistaken, but i don't think you have. seems like you are as guilty of injecting hearsay and conjecture as anyone. i've met pete, and i like him much better in person than online. he acts like a human being then, and not his online cartoon persona that gets so cloying after awhile.

Hearsay ??? Man how Pete loves to discredit any detractors with that "buzzword".

I think you are missing the logic though...
We as climbers, free c,limbers at least, use the YDS here in America. It is subjective, and is an average of the grade given by many climbers who have done the route. If 95% of the climbers who have ascended a route say it is 5.11a, is that "hearsay" ???

Fact is 95% of the people, climbers and non-climbers alike, who have met Pete cannot bear his presense for long. This is evident when he goes to Curry Village, as the locals say, "oh God, here come's Pete!", or at the gym in Hamilton, Ontario, "oh God, here comes Pete!". Hell, at the Arizona Gathering the members had to endure his presense long enough to be subjected to his "How great I am near death caving experience, where I saved the entire party", till they went to another campfire. Or the numerous females, under-aged and adult, who have had to endure his sexually suggestive PMs, and been scared away from the site.



So again... All of you "fans" need to ask yourselves, "Have I met this guy in person?" If not, then you are believing his own, as he puts it "shameless selfpromomtion". If you are one of the 5% who have met him, and can tolerate him, then I truely envey your acceptance of others.


I've said it before, and I will say it again... His technical info is second to few, but his packaging of that info, and his integrity and ethical character are what I have issues with.


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Adam and other PTPP bitchers,
Envy Me.....But hell no I don't want you too.

I am amazed at people who have such a hatred?Envy?I dunno? for Pete.
You guys feel this for the PTPP? Damn, Yea I met Him, I call him a friend.

As I sat 1000ft up in my ledge on The Big Stone I thought of Chongo's words,"just to be here is bitchin!" and yes if you spend that much time in that enviroment you have to know you are pretty awesome. I think that of any big wall climber.
Nothing in my life has made me so arrogant and yet so Humble as being on ElCap. I understand and enjoy and learn from the guy. And how can you be angry at the fella? Damn he cant weigh 150lbs wet?

Ha Pete is a cool fella and I'll always look forward to our next meeting.
Adam, I look forward to meeting you and all others from this site!

Cheers and Aloha!
Bill


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onelung...

well said...the rock is a common denominator...to join us all who enjoy climbing...

those who choose will find something or someone to complain about...it appears to be their nature...

I have now met some wonderful people from RC.com...an enjoy each an every chance encounter or planned...it is all about the common denominator...

rock on...show kindness over rudness...an you will reap much more in my opinion...

cheers

john


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The key is to develop critical reading.

That's so funny every reply I've attempted has been erased. Blame the reader... rich.

If you don't like what I have to say or how I say it, you need to develop your critical reading skills. Hmmm. I coming around here tradrat. I'm coming around... this sword definitely cuts
BOTH WAYS!!! (burp!).

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DR. PITON'S THANK YOU NOTE - YOSEMITE - SPRING/03

Holy moly! I really hope I've included everyone - so darn many people helped me out in so many different ways.

It's funny - I come back to the website to find dozen of pages of flames written against me, yet in Yosemite people are literally lined up to to give me a hand! I can't begin to thank everyone enough - it's nice to get a little bit of payback from the hundreds [actually, thousands] of hours I spend writing stuff here at RC.com to teach you how to climb the Better Way. It's very gratifying to your Wall Doctor to know that you are benefitting from my writing.

Many thanks to Brian, John, Randy, John, Bill, Joe, Richard, that nice couple who loaned me and Chad their bikes so we could tool down the pathway with eighty pound pigs on our backs, Irene, Ricardo, Susan, Jen and Justine, Wally, Adam, Kevin, Mica and Juan, Lee, Klaus, Loom, Evan, Alex and Thomas and Ivo, Stan and Chad for the directions, beers, pizza, schleps, hugs, burritos, rescue, bolts, peckers and beaks, more schlepping, coffee, rides, Argentinian whachamacallit tea, free-flowing cabernet, heads, encouragement, internet access, airline flight credits, pats on the back, laughs, and about the most damn fun I've had in a long long time!

See you all again around mid-September, 2003!

Stop by and say hi again real soon!

With sincere and heartfelt thanks,

Pete
aka the diabolical Dr. Piton


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I'm ashamed to admit it but I am a BWT, although I try to keep my theorizing down to avoid this title. I unfortunately had to bail on my first wall last year-so basically I get that frickin' definition.
I find it interesting that you are ashamed of a title created by the one you so admire. Reminds me of some kind of social class system. Very effective in keeping the commoners in their place and admiring the upper class. Maybe after you too have succeeded on a big wall (or how ever many you believe it will take) you too can move up the social ladder of aid climbing and look down with disdain on those losers (BWT's) struggling on the lower rungs of the ladder.


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BWT is a fairly common term.


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BWT is a fairly common term.
Ok, sorry, let me correct that then to "used so extensively to devalue the input of others and thus relegate them to an inferior status" instead of the word "created." Hopefully that will be more accurate.

BWT's unite! You need not feel ashamed. You far outnumber the elite and supposed elite. You need not feel inferior. Free your mind!


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Fact is 95% of the people, climbers and non-climbers alike, who have met Pete cannot bear his presense for long.

interesting, perhaps you could describe how you measured this parameter? sounds like you just used a little hearsay...

seriously, it is pretty low to come into a forum titled "Prais to PTPP" and start bashing him... there are about a million other forums dedicated to just that! go there!


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Fact is 95% of the people, climbers and non-climbers alike, who have met Pete cannot bear his presense for long.

interesting, perhaps you could describe how you measured this parameter? sounds like you just used a little hearsay...

seriously, it is pretty low to come into a forum titled "Prais to PTPP" and start bashing him... there are about a million other forums dedicated to just that! go there!

It's not low.

If we had a thread that stated "Hitler was right about the French" would those that feel differently be banned from opining?

Not that many would argue that point.....BUT, if they did, they should be, and are, allowed to voice their oppositional thoughts.

It's the Internet. New rules apply. Not sure what they are because they are still primordial in their formation. Don't drag preconceived paradigms of communication into cyberspace.

Let it fester, and develop a new set of standards.

People are scared to voice their real opinions in public these days. Just be thankful we can all masquerade as someone else and voice our real opinions here without losing our jobs or something, okay?

:D


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'xanx'... You seemed to miss this in the same post you quoted from me:

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Hearsay ??? Man how Pete loves to discredit any detractors with that "buzzword".

I think you are missing the logic though...
We as climbers, free climbers at least, use the YDS here in America. It is subjective, and is an average of the grade given by many climbers who have done the route. If 95% of the climbers who have ascended a route say it is 5.11a, is that "hearsay" ???


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drkodos,
Well said!
josh


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In reference to the comments on page 7, it only takes one summit to graduate from Big Wall Theorist to Big Wall Gumby.

Quit whining and start climbing.


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...it only takes one summit to graduate from Big Wall Theorist to Big Wall Gumby.
Yep, thanks for making my point. Gotta make sure everyone has their place and appropriate label to go with it.

BWG's unite! You need not feel ashamed. You far outnumber the elite and supposed elite. You need not feel inferior. Free your mind!


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Degumbyfication is a lifetime pursuit.

I was considering this very notion the other day under "interesting" conditions.

I was linking the last two pitches of Zed-Em [in my desire to get off the damn wall after a week!] which is where Lost in America finishes. When I attempted to pull up my solo tag rack to the penultimate belay, the damn thing wouldn't move! Frig! I'd buggered something up! And things had been going so well up to this point.....

Sheesh.

So I had no choice but to stick my Grigri on the excess lead line, and rap back down to the lower anchor to free the tag rack, since my lead rope bag just happens to be attached to my tag rack.

Unfortunately, this involved some doing. I was two thousand feet off the deck on an overhanging and traversing pitch! [Scary] So down I rapped, Grigri on the upper rope, jug on the diagonal rope going across to my tag rack, which was snagged on heaven-only-knows.

With fear and trepidation at the tag rack suddenly cutting free as I jugged in towards it [thus sending me on a terrifying hopefully-only-horizontal journey] I tensioned in towards the lower belay, perched on the edge of oblivion. As I drew closer I could see the whole kit and kaboodle was held in place by one of my hooks that had punctured my hook bag [we shall talk more in the future about hook bags with holes in them....] and which somehow managed to hold long enough to hold me as I reached it. [Imagine the consequences of the tag rack, which weighs about fifty pounds, suddenly cutting loose at this moment]

My problem?

I had attached both ends of the haul line to the tag rack! [Like, you're only supposed to attach the top end, eh? Like, the bottom end attaches to the anchor so you can return via rappelling it when you come back down to cut the pigs free and clean the pitch] In my eagerness to top out, I had made a rather fundamental error which went unnoticed.

Oh dear.

So the tag rack [and myself jugging across horizontally] had been held in place by the weight of the bottom end of the haul line in the haul line bag.

Note that all of this took place in one of the most terrifying, overhanging, and exposed places imaginable!

I greedily hooked my daisies into the anchor and breathed a sigh.

Now curiously, once the tag rack was unhooked and the haul line reattached, I was now fifty feet off of plumb, with only about twenty feet of lower-out line available [naturally, this being at best a 2:1 lower-out since the tag rack had to come with me, I was in a bit of a pickle......]

So degumbify this:

Your tag rack sits on a fifi at your lower belay, and you have insufficient lower-out line to return to plumb. You can't leave your tag rack because you need to pull it up, and you can't lower out with your excess tag line because it's attached to your tag rack, which hangs by nothing more by a fifi hook, and you're hanging from the end of a gossamer [did I spell that right?] thread that runs across an edge sixty feet above, and there ain't NOTHIN' BUT AIR, BAY-BEE beneath you for a LONG FREAKIN' WAY DOWN!

Voice of Karl Malden in the old American Express TV commercials:

"You're on vacation and your wallet is stolen. What will you do, what will you do?!"

Now there naturally was a solution to this engaging little dilemma I had gotten myself into - but can you tell me what I must have done?

[Ivo was right.....]

Yup - it is times like these that remind me I may never graduate from Big Wall Gumby.....

But a few hours later - the pigs having been Far End Hauled across the summit roofs and slabs - I sat on the summit of El Cap at midnight [having reached this summit purely and completely under my own power]. The glow of the campfire warmed my heart, not to mention my flesh, and I finished off the last of my Olde English, which had by now cooled to a temperature well below its normal "tepid". I couldn't help but feel thankful to have made the cut from Theorist to Gumby.

A sliver of moonlight beamed across the slabs of granite which extended downwards towards Washington Column - from here, the Column appears little more than pimple-sized - and I gazed beyond towards the bulk of Half Dome's mighty Northwest Face looming in silhouette behind the pine needles. Above me, I took curious satisfaction in seeing Ursa Major and Polaris for the first time in over a week.

A couple more sips drained the can, and I tossed it onto the rocks beside me where it impacted with a satisfying "clank". [If you have ever spent a week on the wall, you will understand how incredibly good it feels to drop something, and see it actually stay where it lands, Sometimes just for fun, I have been known to drop stuff on the ground, and then bend over to pick it up. It's the most amazing thing, really.....]

The campfire embers had faded to a dim orange glow, and I spread my sleeping bag out across a low spot nestled between two comforting blocks. Having slept on nylon for the past week, the firmness of the sand beneath me was a true blessing. I crawled inside my "pit" - sans tie-in - and drifted contentedly off to sleep.





I am Dr. Piton,

and I revel in my status of Big Wall Gumby.


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Degumbyfication is a lifetime pursuit.

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So degumbify this:

Your tag rack sits on a fifi at your lower belay, and you have insufficient lower-out line to return to plumb. You can't leave your tag rack because you need to pull it up, and you can't lower out with your excess tag line because it's attached to your tag rack, which hangs by nothing more by a fifi hook, and you're hanging from the end of a gossamer [did I spell that right?] thread that runs across an edge sixty feet above, and there ain't NOTHIN' BUT AIR, BAY-BEE beneath you for a LONG FREAKIN' WAY DOWN!

Voice of Karl Malden in the old American Express TV commercials:

"You're on vacation and your wallet is stolen. What will you do, what will you do?!"

Now there naturally was a solution to this engaging little dilemma I had gotten myself into - but can you tell me what I must have done?

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Welcome back Dr. P.

Seems like the tag rack is a luxury that could be dispensed with in the kind of bind you were in. Why not just take the gear that you might need, put the rest of the rack in the haul bag, and use the tag line to lower out?

Did it seem particularly windy on that end of the wall this time?

PEace

Karl


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Peter, peter , peter.....

seeing you an sharing drink with you was the highlight of my summer...but then...did I forget to mention that I have been throwing up ever since...." did I catch SARS from you? " lol

Rock on Dr. P...


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how about this for an oldie -- but goodie ..


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:P

.. seeing dr. kodos on st.com .. i just want to have a moment of silence for those who are not with us (in the website) anymore ..


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a moment of blathering and self promotion would be more appropriate.


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a moment of blathering and self promotion would be more appropriate.
Wait. Which "doctor" do you refer to? 8-)


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it works for any banned doctor!


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Ricardo, I luv u man, but...


STFU!!!


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ed ..

..damm .. that was harsh ..

.. i know kodos is giving you a (and the rest of rc.com) a hard time .. but you guys gotta take it in stride .. its just a website afterall .. bits of 0's and 1's ..

.. and you guys are totally taking the fun out of it by marking these threads so that they dont show up on the front page .. :(


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You're taking the STFU too seriously, bro -- I'm joking around.

But in regards to seeing Pete's old posts randomly get bumped to the top and recirculate on the FP -- why is it fun?

Ed


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because it gets people ryled up .. over nothing..


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OK -- which is my point. There's no purposeful reason to bring one of those old threads back up. It's fine if it's to continue a discussion about some technical related stuff, but to say we get riled up about nothing isn't the truth. It bothers me because it adds nothing to any on going current discussion, and rather detracts from the site because people pop up like gophers "somebody mention Pete??" "Pete? Who's this Pete guy?" "Yeah, where's Pete been?" "Oh tht's right -- he was banned...or something like that"

And the whole freakin discussion starts all over again and it gives me questions to answer -- again. So to me, it's not harmless fun.

Ed


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epic_ed moved this thread from Suggestions, Questions & Feedback. to Trip Reports.


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ed ...

you should think of it as therapy then ..

it has a name .. i think its called - desensitation .. (spelled incorrectly i'm sure!) ..

.. the site made a choice -- to get rid of several users, and to make several others the keepers of all that is rc.com ..

.. at the same time the site benefits from having good info around (pete's posts) ..

.. there are good ways to moderate and bad ways .. telling people what they can and can't talk about is bad .. doing smart things (like tagging this post to not show up in the main page) is a smart way to moderate ..

.. so sit back .. and just dont worry about wether pete's list of posts from 2001 to 2003 starts reappearing .. -- its not like there is some great topic of conversation going on in the aid forum .. its raining cats and dogs in the bay area .. and snowing in the valley .. no climbing to do right now!

-- ricardo


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Are you drkodos?


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^ :lol:


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