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passthepitonspete


Mar 31, 2003, 7:48 PM
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Have you ever considered, Bill, that you might think yourself so bitchin' that you are actually doing the world a favour by climbing alone?

I have considered this possibility myself many times....

When it comes to climbing, I have never been accused of being "gifted". However "tenacious" is another story altogether. I have sometimes wondered if "tenacious" is my middle name.

Nah. These days, my middle name has to be "REESSAYEZ". "Peter Reessayez Zabrok", that's me all right.

[Now, every Hoser who has ever rrrrrrrrolled up the rrrrrrim will know precisely what I'm talking about, whereas the Merricans can only be shaking their heads about now.]


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Mar 31, 2003, 8:25 PM
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Maybe True My Friend, But the world has done me a favor by ploppin my Happy Ass here on Oahu with a very blessed life.
Some of us are just meant to go it alone, I feel a spiritual connection when soloing.

Ammon happy to see you poppin on this thread, Dood I am so lookin' forward to the Big Stone.......and Ready! Cheers to Catra.


Dr. Pitons....as they in the Philippines...Salamat Po Manong!

Bill


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Let me be the 5,956th person to thank you for 2 things:

1) Putting so much effort into giving great advice and just generally sharing, including your great pics.

2) Keeping the humor at an intensely high level. This merits you awards and kudos from everybody I'm sure, even in the face of anger, ignorance and stupidity you hang in there and stay funny and interesting. Your stuff is at least as good as John Longs stuff (high praise indeed), and I bet you don't get nearly as much money. (BTW I'm not excluding myself from ignorance or stupidity nor pointing fingers here:-)

Thanks for it aaaaaaaaaalllllll Pete!!

Keep it coming!

Bill


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Apr 11, 2003, 1:39 PM
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I am not sure if I at the moment carry the correct insurance plan.

I seem to have a nasty rash an am unable to scratch it...I am wishing the doctor would be able to assist me...but only know I can afford brewskiis for payment...I do have some old slings which have at least 50% of wear on them....as they are only cut halfway through...
:oops:

but a serious note? is that possible...? :shock: I have learned to adjust my thinking, an find I can read it in a book, an see it on t.v. but only when the DR. PTPP tells me it is ok...will I understand

Thanks to you DR. PTPP for assisting me on my daily problems...I now can enjoy another week of happiness :D :D :D

I surely look forward to hauling all the beer to the base of any climb I am able to join you on...an furthermore...appreciate the opportunity to open said beers an taste test to make sure of their freshness...

May your day find many like myself in need of the great FIVE-STAR DR. PTPP


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Apr 11, 2003, 2:16 PM
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it was the "duct tape" scar...i had to touch it...

i was gonna post the picture pete...

butt i think we should keep that between ourselves...and the other 20 ppl in attendance


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OOooooo. There's a picture?? Can I see??
It wouldn't be the one of pete involving hot wax and feathers, would it?


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:lol: no...butt i have seen that one too!!


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Apr 14, 2003, 6:39 PM
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I recently posted this under copperhead's audacious challenge to THE MAN PTPP:

well, i am a bit of a n00b to this site and missed the apparently epic 2001 PTPP battle, and i don't know the first thing about aid, but i will say this: i am constantly impressed with PTPP's work. no one else has such quality posts as he does. first off, he is quite a good writer, so his work generally has good vocab/syntax/good literary qualities. also, his use of bold and colored text makes his posts easy to skim thru. then there is the sheer volume of his work; often, his posts will take 10, 15, or more minutes to read. did i mention the helpful links he puts to all pertinant information? i never plan on getting into big wall stuff, but i will still spend an hour or more just skimming through the web of his posts, reading entertaining anecdotes, such as his two near-death caving adventrues, the incident with Tom's pig, ect... i have to take it as a matter of faith that the man knows what he is doing; check out his "reference", editor of Chongo's book, plus God-knows-how-many posts on big wall techniques and the "better way". can he free climb really hard? i dunno. there is that one pic of him bouldering in Hawaii (a really sweet picture btw) and the comment by those youngins who couldn't get up there... plus the guy has his own beer co! how cool is that!

like him or not, u gotta respect the guy.

and, as an aside, i find it rather fascinating how many times Copperhead has responded to his own challenge, yet PTPP hasn't... now who is more mature?....


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Apr 14, 2003, 8:26 PM
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xanx...Your profile says that you've been climbing a little over a year. Perhaps Copperhead is in a better position to call BS on Pete's posts than you are to comment on how superb their content is? But wait...Chongo endorses him, so he must be top notch. :lol:


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well, Mr Wallress, if u will read my post a bit more carefully (or perhaps just plain old READ it...) you will see that i do not once praise PTPP's methods. i also admit that i know nothing about aid climbing and aid techniques, so i am in no position to judge them. however, there are a few factors which i have mentioned that make PTPP's posts of high quality, whatever the content (things like language, volume, links, bold, colors, ect...). also, most of the posts of his that i read are non-aid technique related: i don't give a damn how he thinks you should ride your pig or whatever. i really enjoy his stories, his anecdotes. and i think his methods must have some merit; unless, of course, u think an underqulified person could make it up Reticent and climb and SOLO as much as he does... plus there are the numerous testimonials of those who have climbed with him (Tomaz...). i must therefor assume that his methods, if flawed in some small particular or two, are essentially good and safe. i think if he presented unsafe or stupid methods, he would quickley have been flamed into submission.


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Apr 14, 2003, 8:50 PM
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I think that there are a number of instances where it has been pointed out that Pete's methods are neither good nor safe.

I could list a number of well known climbers who have met Pete and think that he's either psycho or just a jerk. Perhaps even a few of folks with the names that Pete is so fond of dropping have also been known to head the other way when they see him coming? They aren't here posting about Pete...He's posting about them.

Because Pete solos pre-existing (i.e. pre-headed/riveted/bolted) routes minutes from the road does not make him THE athority. It definately entitles him to an opinion, but I feel that he steps over the line when he sells his way as THE BETTER WAY.

I have only been climbing for a couple of years. I solo. Hopefully this season, I'll solo El Cap a time or two. I suck now and compared to people who are real experts...those that go to remote places and put up hard aid lines mixed with DFU hard free climbing, I will still suck when I'm done with my summer adventures. Compared to these folks, Pete might not suck, but he's just a hobbyist too.

I don't care how well someone organizes their thoughts or how many colors they used to make your head spin while you read them. If the content of the pretty posts has too much crap in it, it will still stink.


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Apr 14, 2003, 9:56 PM
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...so you admit that you are not the all-time expert at big wall climbing, and admit that PTPP probably does know more than you, yet still attack him (an my praise of him) in a forum dedicated to praise for PTPP?? seems awefully hypocritical...

again, you seem to have some mental disorder, because i already said i can not say anything as to PTPP's content where it concerns big wall technique. i can understand you missing that in the first post, but i blatently stated it in the second post, and you still persisted in bashing me by saying that PTPP does not know the best way to climb. i am normally not very hostile, but i hate hypocrits and ignoramuses.

go bash PTPP in some other forum, there seem to be quite a few dedicated to just that purpose...

now do u get my point, or should i spam this message 100 times so you perhaps after reading it 70 or so times you will actually see what i mean??

After i thought about this a bit more, my good old sport Wallress, I realize that you argue your point using nothing but hearsay. Hearsay is gossip or rumor. That means that you are substantiating your arguments based on what you have heard other people say about PTPP... sounds rather indirect, doesn't it? Well, it is. That is why it is INADMISSIBLE. You are lucky this is only a web site, because any judge would throw your libelous ass out of court for trying to present inadmissible hearsay to try to prove your point.

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could list a number of well known climbers who have met Pete and think that he's either psycho or
just a jerk. [/brown]

It is possible PTPP is a jerk, or he might be a really nice guy. You can't be sure. The wise man would wait to meet PTPP himself before formulating an opinion. Only a fool, Mr. Wallruss, would use hearsay to support his argument.

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I think that there are a number of instances where it has been pointed out that Pete's methods are neither good nor safe.[/brown]

Again, this is hearsay. Would you please be so kind as to tell us which of PTPP's methods you have tried and found to be unsafe? Unless you have done so, do us all a favor and shut up.

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I don't care how well someone organizes their thoughts or how many colors they used to make your
head spin while you read them. If the content of the pretty posts has too much crap in it, it will still
stink. [/brown]

I would have to agree here, Mr. Wallress. Yup, even if you put a nice floral background in, and use pretty fonts and such, your posts will still [olive]stink[/olive] like a climber's shoes at the end of the summer. The crap you smell is the illogic of your "argument", Mr. Wallress. Hearsay does smell like [brown]$H!T[/brown], doesn't it?


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you've impressed me thusfar. not too bad for someone who isn't an alaskan


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{Dr. Piton picks his jaw up off the ground, shakes his head, and then quietly applauds}

My goodness gracious! There actually is someone on this website who understands what hearsay is. For a lad of only sixteen [at least according to the calendar] he is well on his journey towards OB-dom. One of the best flames I've ever read.

I'm not sure what I liked best - the way he called the flamer a fool without actually saying it, or the secret link!

I'll tell you this much, the next time I sue for libel, I want Michael as my lawyer! I lift my beer to ya, mate! Hell, I'll even buy ya one once you're old enough......

Cheers,

Pete

Note: Dr. Piton never purports to "sell" the Better Way - please click here to read Dr. Piton's definition of the Better Way.

Incidentally, the flamer should have gone to the other post to flame me. Sheesh.


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It's Dr. Wallress actually. Ms. is fine as well.

Hmm...I could post PM's that Pete has sent me. Or I could post PM's that Pete has sent to other women on the site. But I won't. My belief that he is an a-hole was formed from his own words. You cite big-wig hot-shot climbers like Chongo that Pete repeatedly assures us are in his fan club. (I'm sure you and Chongo are big buddies too, eh? First hand, my arse.) I'm telling you that all of the big wig climbers that I know who know Pete don't have anything nice to say about the guy with respect to his climbing or his personality. There are other ways in which he has intersected with my personal life without me meeting him face to face, and I'm not going to go into it here. Let's just say it ain't web gossip. Thank GOD I've always managed to narrowly escaped meeting him in person though.

For your information, child, if there's one thing I have quite a lot of experience with it's how overcomplicating your system when you are starting out will leave you screwed. A more complicated system in a beginners hands is almost always more dangerous. Complicated hauling systems are a prime example. Flagging a ledge when you haven't worked out the kinks in your hauling systems or you are don't happen to be on the east side of El Cap or a similarly steep place is another. Tagging gear on 'easy aid' when you are not honed or are not on a super steep route is asking for a snag not to mention it slows you down. No matter how many "practice pitches" you do with rocks in the haulbag as he advocates (not bad advice either), it will be a whole different game when you head out for the real deal.

The more ropes and biners and gadgets that you add to your system, the more likely you are to get confused with your system and end up making a very dangerous mistake like, say, dropping a pig. (BTW, Pete says we all drop things and shouldn't criticize, but there are something like your partner's or you pig's anchoring system that can cost a life or two if you screw them up.) There is safety in moving efficiently (as in quick not lazy) on a wall. Some of these things might be OK in expert hands, but he advocates this stuff for people asking for advice on their first walls.

Have I tried his continuous loop system when soloing? HELL NO! I'm not crazy. Advocating hauling your crap in a paper bag is totally irresponsible. Again, no need to try it. I think a lot of people who have done a few walls, myself included, find Pete's stuff good for a tidbit or two if you can wade through it, but also full of stuff that we know better than to try in the first place.

As I said, I am no expert, that is sure. My resume is far shorter than Pete's, and I would never try to claim otherwise. I pointed to my relative lack of experience to be straight with that point. However, I do climb in Yosemite nearly every weekend and take nearly all of my vacation time to climb. I've climbed big walls w/ partners, and I've climbed alone. I have had major epics due to following over complicated advice. I've simplified my systems and learned to move at a summit-worthy pace. I have also cruised up Grade V climbs in a day with my bf who is a master of how straightforward and pure things can be when you keep it simple and give the rock fighting a chance. When it comes to respecting others opinions about the BETTER WAY, I prefer the advice of Brutus or Karl or Bryan or Ammon, because they are all as or more experienced than Pete and have no egotistical attachment to whether or not I use their advice. They just want to help us all have fun and be safe.


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"There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde
LOL!!! :lol: I guess you'll never have to worry about that. Even if no one else was talking about you, you'd still be talking about yourself enough to more than make up for it.


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Dear Dr. Melissa,

First of all, let me apologize for not realizing you are a lady - at first glance this was not aparent to me. This was very politicaly-incorrect of me, and I can see that you are quite vexed. I would have thought that a doctor would know better than to use hearsay as the foundation of her arguement, a point you seem to have conveniently bypassed in your excellent rant above, which could well be considered a study in "proper application of the red herring."

It is true that I am indeed quite a bit younger than you, and by calling me youth you apear very angry. I can understand why. I might feel the same way if I had as bad a case of foot-in-mouth disease as you. Maybe you're catching it from the cows upon which you're doing your mad cow disease research.

Now, if only someone could come up with a cure for Politically-Correct Angry Woman Disease.

In which case I might suggest, "Physician! Heal thyself!"


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LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!


{Dr. Piton stands and applauds the Mighty Xanx.}

"Bravo! Encore un fois!"

Emphatically youth is not wasted on Michael. This lad is going places in a Big Time Way. The dragonslayer has swung his pen - mightier than the sword - and there is wallress blubber scattered upon the ice.

Micheal, you're hired as my lawyer. I'm putting you On Retainer!

One of the finest flames I have ever read.


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good grief. do you even know melissa? and where in the h*ll did you come up with this analysis? it seems to me that you are entirely too impressionable and just did an amazing job of using really big words to make yourself look incredibly stupid. kudos.

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Dear Dr. Melissa,

First of all, let me apologize for not realizing you are a lady - at first glance this was not aparent to me. This was very politicaly-incorrect of me, and I can see that you are quite vexed. I would have thought that a doctor would know better than to use hearsay as the foundation of her arguement, a point you seem to have conveniently bypassed in your excellent rant above, which could well be considered a study in "proper application of the red herring."

It is true that I am indeed quite a bit younger than you, and by calling me youth you apear very angry. I can understand why. I might feel the same way if I had as bad a case of foot-in-mouth disease as you. Maybe you're catching it from the cows upon which you're doing your mad cow disease research.

Now, if only someone could come up with a cure for Politically-Correct Angry Woman Disease.

In which case I might suggest, "Physician! Heal thyself!"


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damn...i am lost my ladies...whom i respect and adore...


i met pete IRL...he is a colorful character...harmless, helpful, i seriously LAUGHED my ass of with (at) him...and he was sweet to my kids...pete's alright

although i have never climbed with him...several people did that i have climbed with...


i would climb with pete...at least one pitch ;)


BTW...i wasn't asked to write any of this...i think amber knows me better than that...*kisses gurl friend**


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You're doggone damned and double damned right I would hire Michael as my lawyer, Skibaggage.

He's BRILLIANT!!!!

And Annie likes my ass. She wrote so. She even published its picture here on the website. Think: "trademark green pile" [HINT]

Edit: I wrote my comment above after Xanx wrote an even snappier comeback, which disappeared above as miraculously as it appeared. Sheesh.

"Your honour! May I please request a short recess to find my lawyer?!"

Perhaps Michael's counter-argument will appear beneath. Soon? Please?! Sheesh.

Voice of Bob McKenzie to his brother Doug: "Oh sure, like, leave me hangin', eh?




Edit 2: OK, so THERE. Take that you politically-correct angry women

Psst! Hey Mike! Let's talk a bit about courtroom protocol.....


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You are clearly impressionable and are wasting your time on a false icon.

Calling someone "impressionable" generally means that they blindly follow "the herd". i can assure you that i do not blindly support PTPP. I have read what he has written (albiet i don't understand the technical information) and i have read what Wallress has said, and i consciously chose to support PTPP based on what I have observed (NOT based on what i have heard others say about him).

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Do a little research, do a little listening, child. You might learn something. Until then, you are as guilty of hearsay as those you accuse.

Are you familiar with The Bural of Lord Orgaz, by El Greco? see the "child" in the lower left corner? This child, who is no doubt quite "impressionable", is in actuality the only one who is "impressed" by the miracle taking place. Sometimes it takes a child's "ignorant" (or "pure") eyes to see the situation clearly. I can look at this situation as an outsider because i am not embroiled in it. I have listened, and learned more about people than i am want to know.

I don't take kindly to charges of ignorance. I am not some sheep to be hearded by superficial images. I despise the herd and the herd mentality (what PTPP accurately refers to as Big Wall Theory - following stupid things merely because others do).


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Calling someone "impressionable" generally means that they blindly follow "the herd". i can assure you that i do not blindly support PTPP. I have read what he has written (albiet i don't understand the technical information) and i have read what Wallress has said, and i consciously chose to support PTPP based on what I have observed (NOT based on what i have heard others say about him).

You support him yet you dont have the slightest idea about what we are even discussing. Why do you support him?

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Sometimes it takes a child's "ignorant" (or "pure") eyes to see the situation clearly. I can look at this situation as an outsider because i am not embroiled in it. I have listened, and learned more about people than i am want to know.

You have been brainwashed by the Dr.

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I don't take kindly to charges of ignorance. I am not some sheep to be hearded by superficial images. I despise the herd and the herd mentality (what PTPP accurately refers to as Big Wall Theory - following stupid things merely because others do).

You just contradicted yourself. You ARE ignorant and you admitted it.

Accurately How would you know what theory is... and what is stupid and what isnt stupid when you have no knowledge of the climbing systems, let alone any experience with them? Again, you are ignorant.


"Totally dedicated to bouldering though, not too much good stuff up on the ropes."

This appears in your profile. I would definitely agree that a 16-year old bouldering gym rat is the best qualified to tell us that we are stupid for doing things the traditional way. Thanks Mike; I wasn't quite sure.


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wow. i was gonna just end it here and let it go, but Copperhead was just asking for it...

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You support him yet you don’t have the slightest idea about what we are even discussing. Why do you support him?

Again, i do not support him b/c i support his climbing methods. The analytical reader would have picked this up in my other posts... I support him b/c i believe he is an incredible resource to this site (and all without pay...).

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You have been brainwashed by the Dr.
:?: :?: So are you trying to say i am incapable of forming my own opinions, independent of PTPP's influence?? it is awefully presumptuous to claim to know what i am thinking, when you have shown that you don't even understand what i am saying!

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You just contradicted yourself. You ARE ignorant and you admitted it.

no, i actually didn't. i did not admit to being ignorant. hence the "quotation marks". I am what some people would call ignorant, and others would call pure. or did you miss "reading comprehension" when you were a child?

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“Accurately”… How would you know what ‘theory’ is... and what is stupid and what isn’t stupid when you have no knowledge of the climbing systems, let alone any experience with them? Again, you are ignorant.

Again, (and hopefully for the last time) i do not endorse PTPP's climbing methods, i know nothing about aid and could never presume to judge them. Big Wall Theory, as PTPP would surely tell you, is a euphemism for "the stupid way" - the way most people do things. i need not apply exclusively to climbing (e.g. Big Wall Theory of driving ect...).


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keep bouldering...it keeps you tight

and if you feel like it...

www.boldering.com

they arn't so tight assed and effen mighty b/*tches all the time

but expect a few STFU's..and feel the love brother...

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