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justsendingits


Aug 18, 2003, 12:36 PM
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I think I have been very patient,and I understand that Tim is a busy man,so me waits patiently.

But it would be nice to know so we can finish this biz and move on.


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Then do as I do, and send a PM to Tim.

I doubt that you will be able to get the info quicker, but it's worth a try, eh ??? :wink:


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Good morning everyone.

Today is Day 6.

Day 6 has started much the same as the previous three or four - with absolutely no further public information. This is very disappointing to me.

I am not trying to be a pillock. I am not all that annoyed any more that this Camp 5 thread got deleted, since it was restarted anyway, and has had lots of participation. The actual act of deleting this thread has had no real adverse effect. Thank goodness. But what if it had been some OTHER thread that wasn't brand new like the one that was deleted? THAT would have really sucked.

What I want to know is how it happened, and why. Was it an accident, or was it done purposely? How will it be prevented from happening again? Who did it?

This is incredibly embarrassing. Can we please resolve it?


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Then do as I do, and send a PM to Tim.

I doubt that you will be able to get the info quicker, but it's worth a try, eh ??? :wink:

I guess you missed this, eh ??? Or was this post really just a "bump", to get this back on the Front Page ??? :roll:


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Absolutely it was a bump.

Precisely.


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Aug 19, 2003, 6:14 AM
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I strongly doubt that you "bump"ing this thread, will give Tim extra hours in his day to investigate.

I know if I was in Tim's shoes, I'd have dropped this a long time ago, for more important things.

(Since the thread has been re-started, and there has been a healthy amount of discussion in said thread, it doesn't much matter what happened to the old one IMNSHO.)

But, if it pleases you, the rumor mill says that it happened on accident.

- d.


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"Rumor mill?"

It amazes me that a website can't find out what happened!

If it were an accident, then why doesn't someone just come out and say,

"Hey, everyone. It was me. I blew it, and here's how."

OR

"Hey everyone. I deleted it because ..... but I won't do it again."

Dude, even a *rumour* would be nice to hear right about now.


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Absolutely it was a bump.

Precisely.


Understood... How'd I guess that ??? :roll:



Quick... Fire going out... Must fan flames, and stoke the fire of controversy and drama... Fire going again bright enough to cast some light on me... Happy for now with this one... May get a new "most viewed thread at RC.com" with name on it to link to... Which thread to get going again now... Need more light... :lol:

My guess... "Stu Banned..." or "Proposed TOS change...". :roll:


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Dude,

I'll stand on the front page of the website wearing women's underwear and wave a bright red flag whilst pouring gasoline onto a flaming inferno and chanting ooga-booga-ooga-booga,

if it'll just get me an answer!

[and]am bitchin', ain't I?]


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Pete,

Please read the following:

Proverbs 19:11

and

Proverbs 25:15

Also, Ecclesiastes 7:8 - pay specific attention to the last half.

- d.


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[and]am bitchin', ain't I?]


Yes... You are bitching. :wink:


Just as in the View RC thread where you replied:
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Nah, Ed, he's right - I have been a whine ass.

I've written my editorial - you can get my link from my index, which you find in the Aid Forum.

Time for me to STFU.

Thanks for the heads up.

You're right.

Cheers,

Pete


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Ha. Two of my favourites.

Nah, I'm not hot-tempered over this one any more. And I sure as hell would like to be rescued. Someone answer the question!

OK, plenty of wisdom in the second one. I thought I *was* showing patience to wait six days, was I not? And was my request above not gentle?

Check on the 8b bit, but I can't believe you didn't mention verse 9? I can't tell you how many times lately I've thought about the anger in my lap!

I'll shut up now. For today. But I'll bump it tomorrow morning, too.


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Aug 19, 2003, 6:37 AM
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C'mon Pete... Get honest... You know what more than likely has happened, as I and Tim have told you.

You are using this as just another platform to get some stage time. You don't fool as many as you think dude. :lol:


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OK, plenty of wisdom in the second one. I thought I *was* showing patience to wait six days, was I not? And was my request above not gentle?

The empasis was on the patience bit.

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Check on the 8b bit, but I can't believe you didn't mention verse 9? I can't tell you how many times lately I've thought about the anger in my lap!

I was in a hurry (late for work, etc) - and just did a quick search here.

- d.


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Aug 19, 2003, 7:02 AM
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Correct. More than likely it was an error.

However, how did it happen? How do we prevent it from happening again?

I do back up the majority of my technical posts, but let's imagine for a moment I spent six or eight hours on a post, teaching people how to do something on a big wall, like say how to clean an aid pitch. And then people come in and ask questions, which I spend four more hours answering.

The reason it takes six or eight hours to write my posts is because I link in instructional photos [I have a whole album dedicated to nothing but Technical and Teaching Photos for that very reason] and then of course, I have to insert the hyperlinks so people can find stuff. It's extremely time-consuming.

So let's say that now with twelve hours of work into my post, it suddenly disappears! Evaporates from the computer screen in front of my very eyes.

[Note: this has never happened to any of my posts. The only time it happened was with the Camp 5/gawd post. I thought it was intentional at first]

This is one of the reasons I am so interested in getting to the bottom of this - I want to know that it won't happen to something I've worked hard on. I would just hate to lose the work I've done, that's all.

Fortunately, as mentioned, this has never happened.


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Correct. More than likely it was an error.

However, how did it happen? How do we prevent it from happening again?

I do back up the majority of my technical posts, but let's imagine for a moment I spent six or eight hours on a post, teaching people how to do something on a big wall, like say how to clean an aid pitch. And then people come in and ask questions, which I spend four more hours answering.

The reason it takes six or eight hours to write my posts is because I link in instructional photos [I have a whole album dedicated to nothing but Technical and Teaching Photos for that very reason] and then of course, I have to insert the hyperlinks so people can find stuff. It's extremely time-consuming.

So let's say that now with twelve hours of work into my post, it suddenly disappears! Evaporates from the computer screen in front of my very eyes.

[Note: this has never happened to any of my posts. The only time it happened was with the Camp 5/gawd post. I thought it was intentional at first]

This is one of the reasons I am so interested in getting to the bottom of this - I want to know that it won't happen to something I've worked hard on. I would just hate to lose the work I've done, that's all.

Fortunately, as mentioned, this has never happened.


Dude... You really need to read more than write... Go back and read this thread Pete... Tim has set up an audit log, to show who does what. And he has also referred to having posts stored as "suppressed" so they can come back if deemed necessary. Both are up and running.


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Thanks! Looking forward to his timely response!


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Pete, I share your concerns about losing valuable information that you and others have worked so hard to add to this website. Just to re-emphasize Adam's comments above -- it is my understanding that any thread that gets deleted still resides in the database, but it is suppressed. Rather than being erased, it is still present but not viewable via the web interface unless Tim makes a change to the database to un-suppress the flag on the deleted item.

I think this covers my concerns about losing data. The audit logging should eleviate everyone's concerns about this type of incident occuring in the future.

I'll state publically that I may have been the one who deleted it in the first place. From what others have indicated it appears there were additional posts/threats made to Gawd that I didn't see -- meaning they ocurred after I logged off and went home. By the time I arrived home, the thread was deleted. However, I did delete a post I had made to that thread just prior to logging off. It's possible I wiped out the whole thing and I'm the one responsible for this entire rigamarole. Ooops. In fact, if it would bring closure to this whole topic, I'm willing to simply accept responsibility. I may have deleted it, and if so, it was entirely an accident.

So now that we have answered the concerns about losing valuable data, auditing future mod/admin activities, and we have assigned blame for the deletion of the original thread to ME...can we move on?

"Move along folks. Nothing to see here. Move along..."

Ed


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Pete, I share your concerns about losing valuable information that you and others have worked so hard to add to this website. Just to re-emphasize Adam's comments above -- it is my understanding that any thread that get deleted still resides in the database, but it is suppressed. Rather than being erased, it is still present but not viewable via the web interface unless Tim makes a change to the database to un-suppress the flag on the deleted item.

I think this covers my concerns about losing data.

I covered my concerns in a different fashion. When the route database (the purpose of which I have never quite fathomed) went kerplewey and all those folks started listing the time they spent creating it (whoa!), I made a mental note: do not trust this site with your data. Period.

But hey, this is a private site, not a democracy. Once you hit the send button, they OWN it and can do with it what they wish, including deleting it without comment or recourse.

Pete, you'd have to be NUTS to rely on the data integrity of this site (or any other single source) to protect your tech posts, unless you just don't assign much worth to them.

Trust but verify? No! Screw trust and back up your data every day. The finger tips you save may well be your own. I guarentee that if the Aid Forum is somehow lost and the backup corrupted, there will only be croc-tears to soothe your angst as you tear out great handfuls of your beard and lament the passing of your data.

DMT


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So are we or are we not waiting on a verdict from Tim? You mods seem to be implying that we are not, "move on there is nothing to see."
If we are not it would of been nice if you let us know around 5 days ago.


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As stated numerous times so far Tim is sifting through the disjointed records trying to determnine exactly what happened. But I'm sure that I will have to say this many times daily still, as I have done the last 5 days, until it is resolved. And I also understand that our commitmant to post an explanation isn't good enough, as many of you think there is a "cover up". I have even been contacted by Oliver Stone, as he wants to buy the rights to this story, and make his next conspiracey movie about Censorship at RC.com. :lol:



Tim hasn't had the time to finish doing this, as he has a full time job, and is hoping to get transferred out to Southern California, so is also working on that.


I understand... You all stomp your feet and cross your arms, because you want to know NOW. :wink:


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I guarentee that if the Aid Forum is somehow lost and the backup corrupted, there will only be croc-tears to soothe your angst as you tear out great handfuls of your beard and lament the passing of your data.
While millions, maybe billions, no QUADRILLIONS of electrons
freed from the bondage represented here would cry FREEDOM.


That is, unless, the TRYANNY described here, keeps
these poor building blocks of creation in shackles, never
allowing them to be deleted by archdemons like
Roughzebub or rAAdamodeus unless GOD (i mean tim and not gawd)
takes pity on them ( and us ).


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Murf,that was funny,






"archdemons like
Roughzebub or rAAdamodeus" hahahahahahaha


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Is this a shoe thread? I'm not sure if anything other than censorship on rc.com has been argued about more.


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The original thread was deleted around 12:45 12 Aug 2003.
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....For my part I'm simply going to finish adding post-on-move and PM-on-delete to the forums so this doesn't happen again. I hope the mod will discuss the topic offline with the original poster and see what can be done.

In reply to:
Posted: 14 Aug 2003 14:52 Post subject: Re: Proposed TOS change

Anyways, I tidied up the auditing/pm/post/email stuff today and will put moderator auditing into production tonight.
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......Still waiting on the exact info from Tim... he does have a day job, that sometimes takes him into the night hours......

I do understand that Tim is a busy man.

It has been a week since the post was deleted, I hardly think that constitutes "NOW." In my mind the above speaks for itself. This still leads me the question how much importance the site places on resolving this event.

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