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Not that its not front page on every major newspapaer, but a huge earthquake(s) struck SE asia this morning. While it's still too early to tell, but it appears massive tidal waves struck Phuket, Phi Phi, and many of the other favorite southern Thailand climbing spots.

Keeping everybody in that part of the world in my prayers...


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I heard. 3500+ people killed, death toll still climbing. 8.9 quake I think that's a new record. tsunami washed over 100s of miles of sri lanka, india, thailand.horrible.


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We were just at the beginning of Nov in Sri Lanka (Kalutara), which has been wiped out last night by a 10m wave! My prayers go out to all the families who have lost members and to all those working on the relief efforts.


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currently the death toll in asia is 7000 according to the news.

the province of Phuket and Krabi were hammered by the Tsunami. many of the resorts were either destroyed or washed out to sea.

different news agencies report widespread disasters throught 6 different countries

I have friends over there and I have no way of getting a hold of them except through e mail

my heart and thoughts go out to everyone over there that is missing freinds and family

God speed

darran


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Hopefully all of our friends from that part of the world are ok, and their families too. It is sad, sad news.


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I`ve been at rai leh / ton sai beach in thailand till 18th this month .... & I was thinking I wish i havn`t had to go allready ....

dunno what to say more, hard to realize everythings seems to be gone, not to mention the people & what they had to go through ...

I just hope they all made it, at least let me wish...


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Anyone heard anything about the state of things at Phi Phi? One of my best friends (and climbing partner) was headed there for a few days and planning on doing a kayaking trip. I'm worried!


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Just emailed my friends in the area but I imagine they have more pressing matters than responding, even if they can. If all the restaurants are destroyed than I don't see how there could be no casualties at all but hopefully that report is accurate. Please keep posting info as you hear it.

As a community, we could probably be a great help to rebuilding Tonsai. I imagine the Railay resorts have plenty of money those cooler little operations at Tonsai could be devastated. And things are probably worse for Cat et al on Phi Phi, but I don't know that area well.


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Wingnut, there was a 9.2 in Alaska in 1964. Doubt if that was the highest ever, but I can't say.
Regardless, 8.9 is darn big, and especially troubling given there was just an 8.2 in Antarctica just days ago. The Earth's plates are a'movin'. Other news sources are reporting 10,000 plus dead. I hope to God they are wrong. My heart goes out to everyone who has been affected by it, and I hope and pray the guesstimates on death tolls are wrong, and I hope there are no major aftershocks and no more quakes anywhere on the ring of fire in the near future. You are all in my thoughts and prayers.


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Wingnut, there was a 9.2 in Alaska in 1964. Doubt if that was the highest ever, but I can't say.
Regardless, 8.9 is darn big, and especially troubling given there was just an 8.2 in Antarctica just days ago. The Earth's plates are a'movin'. Other news sources are reporting 10,000 plus dead. I hope to God they are wrong. My heart goes out to everyone who has been affected by it, and I hope and pray the guesstimates on death tolls are wrong, and I hope there are no major aftershocks and no more quakes anywhere on the ring of fire in the near future. You are all in my thoughts and prayers.

Highest ever was a 9.5 in chili I believe.

P.K.


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Looking at some of these reports I think that we (climbing community) are going to have some work to do. Hopefully 8a's reports are correct but it sounds as though damage reports are just starting to come in. Here is some more info:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...uth_asia/4126327.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...-pacific/4125847.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...uth_asia/4125581.stm


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My girlfriend and I just got tickets to Thailand for the Month of February. They aren't refundable so the only question is how to make the best of it.

We were thinking of doing Railay and Phi Phi but climbing isn't totally essential. I suppose we could hope off thailand to other countries as well, although money is an issue.

Prayers and Best wishes to those who suffer in SE Asia from this recent disaster.

Peace

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I am suppose to leave for krabi this coming wednesday to join my friends but have cancelled the plan. 3 of my friends are already there and they reported that krabi is abit wrecked up in certain areas. Anyway, my prayers goes out to everyone who is affected by the earthquake..


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http://www.czechclimbing.com/


The World Champion and the winner of the World Cup 04 in climbing Tomas Mrazek and his partner Helena Lipenska just have escaped from the lethal tsunami today in Thailand.

According to his father info on Czech version CzechClimbing.com (Lezec.cz) they have survived the large earthquake wave by good luck without any injuries. The quake caused huge casualties in Southeast Asia. Tomas and Helena have been evacuated and will return home tomorrow.
General info about the quake e.g. on CCN

“We are in Aonang in the town. It was horrible. We should go by boat, but we saw the wave. The beaches are damaged, we saw a dead corpus. We have through jungle to the town. The emergency helicopters are everywhere,” Helena Lipenska said later according to the Czech national web news side iDNES.

Afternoon a message came from Thailand by Czech clímbing team coach Tomas Kysilka who spent several weeks there with his daughter Czech climbing reprezentant Tereza Kysilkova:
"It was hard. Fortunately we just climbed 3O m above tha sea, when it came. It lasted abut a half hour. Nobody understood it, sea was as usualy calm here and weather was excelent. We are O.K.
We are in Railay. Everything is destroied in 50 m from the sea. There is a little bit panique here, whether tsunami would come again, but weather is absolutly calm. We will help tomorrow with tidying."


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It's the 5th largest quake ever recorded. That completely sucks. I love that part of the world. To those of you who have friends over there, my hopes and prayers go out to them.


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I'm in much the same position, I have a ticket leaving for Bangkok in less than 72 hours, and another ticket booked out of Bangkok and flying into Krabi on December 30th. The current plan, depending on how things play out in the next few days, is to leave my rope behind, and spend some/most/all of my trip volunteering in aid efforts down there, and any remaining time traveling about. I figure it's the least I can do to pay back an area that, as far as I can tell, has been more than receptive to the international climbing community.

-Tim


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Thousands lost to killer waves
At least one million Sri Lankans displaced
Tourist resorts washed into sea

LELY DJUHARI
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JAKARTA, Indonesia - The world’s most powerful earthquake in 40 years triggered massive waves that slammed into villages and seaside resorts across southern and southeast Asia on Sunday, killing more than 7,200 people in six countries.

Tourists, fishermen, homes and cars were swept away by walls of water up to six metres high that rolled across the Bay of Bengal, unleashed by the 8.9-magnitude earthquake centred off the west coast of the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

In Sri Lanka, 1,600 kilometres west of the epicentre, more than 3,000 people were killed, the country’s top police official said.

A Canadian was among those killed in Sri Lanka, a Foreign Affairs spokesperson said in Ottawa. At least a dozen Canadians were reported injured in Thailand, the spokesperson said. No information was immediately available on their names or hometowns.

At least 1,870 died in Indonesia, and more than 2,000 along the southern coasts of India. At least 289 were confirmed dead in Thailand, 42 in Malaysia and 2 in Bangladesh.

“The final figures will go up, definitely,” said Reynald Dorion, spokesperson for Foreign Affairs in Ottawa. “We hope that it won’t affect any more Canadians, but all Canadian embassies in the area have been alerted and are working on this.”

Embassy officials are also trying to assist any Canadians stranded in hotels left without electricity, running water or communications. Dorion said it’s not known how many Canadians are in affected areas because registration with embassies by tourists is voluntary.

Checks were being done to determine the extent of injuries among known Canadian casualties, he said, and it’s likely more reports of injuries will come in.

Officials in Asia, too, expected the death toll to continue to rise, with hundreds reported missing and all communications cut off to Sumatran towns closest to the epicentre. Hundreds of bodies were found on various beaches along India’s southern state of Tamil Nadu, and more were expected to be washed in by the sea, officials said.

The rush of waves brought sudden disaster to people carrying out their daily activities on the ocean’s edge: Sunbathers on the beaches of the Thai resort of Phuket were washed away; a group of 32 Indians — including 15 children — were killed while taking a ritual Hindu bath to mark the full moon day; fishing boats, with their owners clinging to their sides, were picked up by the waves and tossed away.

“All the planet is vibrating” from the quake, said Enzo Boschi, the head of Italy’s National Geophysics Institute. Speaking on SKY TG24 TV, Boschi said the quake even disturbed the Earth’s rotation.

The U.S. Geological Survey measured the quake at a magnitude of 8.9. Geophysicist Julie Martinez said it was the world’s fifth-largest since 1900 and the largest since a 9.2 temblor hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964.

The epicentre was about 250 kilometres south-southeast of Banda Aceh, the capital of Aceh province on Sumatra, and 10 kilometres under the seabed of the Indian Ocean.

On Sumatra, the quake destroyed dozens of buildings — but as elsewhere, it was the wall of water that followed that caused the most deaths and devastation.

Waves levelled towns Aceh province on Sumatra’s northern tip. An Associated Press reporter saw bodies wedged in trees as the waters receded. More bodies littered the beaches.

Health ministry official Els Mangundap said 1,876 people had died across the area, including some 1,400 in the Aceh provincial capital, Banda Aceh. Communications to the town had been cut.

Relatives went through lines of bodies wrapped in blankets and sheets, searching for dead loved ones. Aceh province has long been the centre of a violent insurgency against the government.

The worst known death toll so far was in Sri Lanka, where a million people were displaced from wrecked villages. Some 20,000 soldiers were deployed in relief and rescue and to help police maintain law and order. Police chief, Chandra Fernando said at least 3,000 people were dead in areas under government control.

An AP photographer saw two dozen bodies along a six-kilometre stretch of beach, some of children entangled in the wire mesh used to barricade seaside homes. Other bodies were brought up from the beach, wrapped in sarongs and laid on the road.

“It is a huge tragedy,” said Lalith Weerathunga, secretary to the Sri Lankan prime minister. “The death toll is going up all the time.” He said the government did not know what was happening in areas of the northeast controlled by Tamil Tiger rebels.

The pro-rebel www.nitharsanam.com website reported about 1,500 bodies were brought from various parts of Sri Lanka’s northeast to a hospital in Mullaithivu district, 270 kilometres northeast of the capital, Colombo.

About 170 children at an orphanage were feared dead after waves pounded it in Mullaithivu, the Web site said.

No independent confirmation of the report was available, but TamilNet — another pro-rebel Web site — said some guerrilla territory was badly hit. “Many parts ... are still inaccessible and it was difficult to provide damage estimates or death tolls there,” it said.

In India, beaches were turned into virtual open-air mortuaries, with bodies of people caught in the waves being washed ashore.

In Tamil Nadu state, just across the straits from Sri Lanka, 1,567 people were killed, said the state’s top elected official, Chief Minister Jayaram Jayalalithaa.

Another 200 died in neighbouring Andhra Pradesh state, 102 in Pondicherry, at least 116 people in Kerala state and elsewhere, according to the governments in each state.

“I was shocked to see innumerable fishing boats flying on the shoulder of the waves, going back and forth into the sea, as if made of paper,” said P. Ramanamurthy, 40, who lives in Andra Pradesh’s Kakinada town.

The huge waves struck around breakfast time on the beaches of Thailand’s beach resorts — probably Asia’s most popular holiday destination at this time of year, particularly for Europeans fleeing the winter cold — wiping out bungalows, boats and cars, sweeping away sunbathers and snorkelers, witnesses said.

“Initially we just heard a bang, a really loud bang,” Gerrard Donnelly of Britain, a guest at Phuket island’s Holiday Inn, told Britain’s Sky News. “We initially thought it was a terrorist attack, then the wave came and we just kept running upstairs to get on as high ground as we could.”

“People that were snorkeling were dragged along the coral and washed up on the beach, and people that were sunbathing got washed into the sea,” said Simon Clark, 29, a photographer from London vacationing on Ngai island.

On Phuket, Somboon Wangnaitham, deputy director of the Wachira Hospital, said one of the worst hit areas was the populous Patong beach, where at least 32 people died and 500 were injured.

Another survivor on Phuket was Natalia Moyano, 22, of Sydney, Australia, who was being treated for torn ligaments.

“The water kept rising. It was very slow at first, then all of a sudden, it went right up,” Moyano said. “At first I didn’t think there was any danger, but when I realized the water kept rising so quickly, I tried to jump over a fence, but it broke.”

On Phi Phi island — where The Beach starring Leonardo DiCaprio was filmed — 200 bungalows at two resorts were swept out to sea.

Indonesia, a country of 17,000 islands, is prone to seismic upheaval because of its location on the margins of tectonic plates that make up the so-called the “Ring of Fire” around the Pacific Ocean basin.

Quakes reaching a magnitude 8 are very rare. A quake registering magnitude 8 rocked Japan’s northern island of Hokkaido on Sept. 25, 2003, injuring nearly 600 people. An 8.4 magnitude tremor that stuck off the coast of Peru on June 23, 2001, killed 74.

The Canadian Red Cross is making an appeal tody for immediate aid.

"We're appealing to Canadians to give cash donations. We ask for cash because it's the fastest way to get aid to the areas in need and ensures we buy the appropriate goods that people actually need," said spokesperson Pamela Davie.

That would include items such as tents, blankets, water purification tablets and generators, "these are things people will desperately need if they've lost their home."

Those wishing to donate can reach go to the Canadian Red Cross' website or by calling toll free 1-800-418-1111.

My heart and wishes go out the the millions affected by this tragedy.


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How did massive quake create tidal waves?

BETH GARDINER
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LONDON - The chain reaction that set off enormous, deadly tidal waves that struck six Asian countries Sunday started several kilometres beneath the ocean floor off the tip of the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

Geologic plates pressing against each other slipped violently, creating a bulge on the sea bottom that could be as high as 10 metres and as long as 1,200 kilometres, one scientist said.

"It's just like moving an enormous paddle at the bottom of the sea," said David Booth, a seismologist at the British Geological Survey, Britain's geoscience agency. "A big column of water has moved, we're talking about billions of tonnes. This is an enormous disturbance."

Moving at about 800 kilometres per hour, the waves probably took about two hours to reach Sri Lanka, where the human toll has been horrific, Booth said.

But because the tidal waves known as tsunamis rarely occur in the Indian Ocean, there is no system in place to warn countries about to be hit as for countries in the Pacific, Booth said.

"With 20-20 vision of hindsight, that'll be reconsidered," he said.

An Australian scientist suggested in September that an Indian Ocean warning system be set up, but it takes a year to create one, Booth said.

He added that those living on the Indian Ocean were less likely than Pacific coastal dwellers to know the warning signs of a tidal wave about to hit — water receding unusually fast and far from the shore.

Thousands died in the tidal waves in India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Malaysia and Bangladesh.

The underwater earthquake, which the U.S. Geological Survey put at magnitude 8.9, is the biggest since 1964, when a 9.2-magnitude temblor struck Alaska.

"All the planet is vibrating" from the quake, Enzo Boschi, the head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute, told Italian state radio.

He likened its power to a million atomic bombs the size of those dropped on Japan in the Second World War, and said the shaking was so powerful it even disturbed the Earth's rotation.

Alessandro Amato, director of Italy's national earthquake centre, said an effect on the rotation was possible but he did not know whether it had yet been established by the most sensitive instruments.

There were at least a half-dozen powerful aftershocks, one of magnitude 7.3.

The quake occurred at a spot where two massive geological plates press against one another with enormous force, Booth said.

The Indian Ocean plate is gradually being forced underneath Sumatra, which is part of the Eurasian plate, at approximately the speed at which a human fingernail grows, he explained.

"This slipping doesn't occur smoothly," he said. Rocks along the edge stick against one another and pent-up energy builds over hundreds of years.

It's "almost like stretching an elastic band, and then when the strength of the rock isn't sufficient to withstand the stress, then all along the fault line the rocks will move," he said.

The quake probably occurred about 10 kilometres beneath the ocean floor, Booth said, causing the huge, step-like protrusion on the seabed and the resulting tsunami.

As the waves move across deep areas of the ocean, they may be almost undetectable on the surface, swells of about a metre or less.

But when they near land, and the sea grows more shallow, the huge volumes of water are forced to the surface and the waves get higher and higher.

"On the beach itself, the wave can be as much as 30 feet (10 metres) high," Booth said.

Indonesia is well known as a quake-prone country, sitting along a series of fault lines dubbed the Ring of Fire.

But scientists are unable to predict where and when quakes will strike with any precision.


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all i can say is *holy crap* ....that sucks mother nature is a harsh mistress.


We had a tiny little earthquake but noticable up here in Alaska hope things are not shifting this way *gulp*


hopefully all those effected get out ok...


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Folks might consider going anyway and helping out with the clean up and putting Rai Ley back together, the more hands that pitch in the better...just a thought. If you are looking for alternatives, I'd say go to the Blue Mtns. up at Katoomba 2 hours due east of Sydney on the train.


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I got you in my prayers Southeast Asia.... I miss you....


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There are reports that buildings shook in Tasmania which is many thousands of miles away. The sea rose several feet above normal on the west Australian coast which is also thousands of miles away from the epicentre. The quake was reported to have occured along an inordinately long fault line. We are talking about the earth shifting along a fault that was hundreds of miles if not thousands of miles long. Billions of tons of water was displaced to cause this amount of havoc over such a wide area.

I`m seeing images of huge flows of water far inland. One report tells of a huge crest of water twice as high as the palm trees. That would make it 60 feet high in places. Folks this really is a big deal.


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Does anyone know whether or not geological agencies posted any warning whatsoever from the time of the earthquake till the tsunamis started to hit? If not why?

All news reports from eyewitnesses all seem to say that the waves came suddenly and without warning.

From what I understand the quake happened 2 hours before the tidal waves hit. Isn't that enough time to send warnings out? I'm in Japan and we often get tsunami warnings after an earthquake...are there similiar warning systems worldwide?

It's horrible what happened and my heart goes out to all those who died and their families.

We should all pray for those who are still missing.

If anyone has information on rescue/volunteering efforts, please post them.


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Does anybody have any info on whether or not Railay was hit hard by the tidal wave caused by the earthquake in Thailand. i have a lot of friends there right now. any info would be appreciated....


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Tragedy struck South-East Asia, as the Western world celebrated Boxing Day, as an earthquake in the Indian Ocean sent tsunami waves crashing through villages and resorts on the coasts of South-East Asia.

Over 10,000 people have been reported dead, in what is believed to be the most powerful tidal wave in the Asian region for over 40 years. Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia and India are in a flood of ruins with lives, cars, houses and businesses destroyed.

On the coast of Thailand, the worst affected areas were fishing villages and tourist areas between Krabi and Phuket, with the island of Koh Phi Phi (famous for the location of the shooting of the film ‘The Beach’), having 200 bungalows and two resorts swept out to sea. Helicopters and rescue personnel have the massive task of searching the ocean for bodies and survivors of local and foreign fishermen, divers and swimmers who were in the water or boats when the tsunami struck.

World Class climbing destinations, Ton Sai, and Railay, located between Phuket and Krabi have both suffered massive damage to bungalows, restaurants and resorts. It is unknown the injuries or fatalities of locals or foreign climbers in the region, but many people are now temporarily stranded with all local long tails and boats sunk, destroyed or swept out to sea.

The development and economy in these areas is completely reliant on the tourist dollar, with tourist resorts and bungalows at Ao-Nang and Railay and simple climbers accommodation at Ton Sai. In the last 7 years the area (for good or bad) has seen growth and development almost entirely due to western discovery of spectacular rock climbing and scuba diving.

The death of so many people in one incident is a reminder of the power and dynamic forces of nature. This reminder comes at a time when much of the worlds population and economy is unsettled and suffering great losses at the hands of one and other, through war, famine and terrorism.

Whilst the earth is forever going to have droughts, floods, earthquakes and fire, one must wonder why if we have to fight to survive these elements, would we choose to fight each other as well.

So many individuals that have family and friends, as well as a place in a community have died. More have been injured and lost homes and businesses. If Mother Nature can give the earth one big almighty shake that not only hits South-East Asia, but also sends shockwaves all the way to both Canada and Tasmania surely the world will recognise this power and pull together to offer aid and support.

Today for so many people, amongst so many incidents throughout the world, unless immediately affected, or threatened, people find themselves detached, even desensitised from the reality of death and suffering. Even more-so people continue to ignore or remain ignorant of the suffering in war torn regions, constant drought and famine-riddled countries, wide spread Aid epidemics and others. People live and die through these every day, whilst other people complain of a paper-cut or a small Christmas bonus.

Even wars that rage for years and kill hundreds of thousands of people do not necessarily affect the same amount of people as one incident of the fury of Mother Nature. Hopefully, whether through sympathy, empathy, education, guilt, religion or awareness people take the time to do something, for someone, somewhere else in the world, suffering more than they are.

It’s the time of year people may use their Christmas spirit to make a New Years Resolution to do whatever is possible in their circumstances, from pledging a donation, sending a care package, taking time off to travel to a region and assist in rebuilding, to the least that one can do and anyone can afford is to spare a thought for other people who are truly suffering and struggling to live and survive, without the leisure and luxury of the western world and our trivial industries and interest that can seem so important, whilst others live so much more simply, yet purely, working a lifetime just to exist. In life they may have nothing more than food, family and some sort of shelter, yet remain happier, have some sort of faith/belief and give and receive more love than others with merely material wealth.

Stephen Hunter

--- Note; I travelled to some of the worst affected area’s in Thailand and Malaysia from the recent Tsunami, including; Penang, Kho Phi Phi, Phuket, and Krabi in 2002/2003. I spent weeks climbing and resting at Ton Sai and Railay, and have fond memories of the community, sense of humour and happiness of the staff and locals in these areas. My thoughts and best wishes go out not only to the climbers, but these locals and their families who have suffered true loss and hardship.

Climbing partners of mine are heading over to Thailand in mid-January, and not only will I twist their arms to try and do some aid work over there, but will send over some cash to help re-build and restart the economy that is now almost solely reliant on climbers and tourists in the region. I have set up a donation tin at the Northern Beaches Rockhouse to go directly to the affected areas in Thailand.---


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http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5430520

This has some info, I think they are still trying to figure out what and who...it's such a tragedy, and I can only send out my regards to everybody effected... :(


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Railay was hit. Look for the Earthquake in SE Asia thread for more details.

Best wishes for your friends and the Thai Community

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Turn on CNN. They're getting more info bit by bit. Phuket, a town near there, I think, was hit hard.

I'm sorry for everyone this has affected, killed, left homeless. This is a big bummer.


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i went to www.railay.com to check out any updates. they were hit, but it doesn't seem, by the website, that they were hit as hard as other places. I still worry tons for my friends. Best wishes to everybody involved. Over 12,000 dead so far. A tragedy.


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From what I understand the quake happened 2 hours before the tidal waves hit. Isn't that enough time to send warnings out? I'm in Japan and we often get tsunami warnings after an earthquake...are there similiar warning systems worldwide?

We have tsunami warnings here in AK, but I just saw a bit on the news saying they have no systems there. A lot of places didn't feel the quake either, so the first warning was when they saw it coming.

This really sucks. I haven't heard back from a friend of mine who happened to be over there. Hoping he's ok. :(


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My heart goes out to everyone in SE Asia who was hit.
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As has been said before, this is serious stuff. BBC news here in UK just updated the death toll to at least 12,000. Shit!! Scenes of areas in Thailand and interviews with survivors just frightening, man. Major aid promises have been made from around the globe which is very heartening, but I think what is really needed is lots of hands to help with the clearance of .. whatever needs to be cleared.
Major deal!


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I have a friend in Thailand right now, and I don't know what area he's at. I hope he and his friends are okay...... what a horrible catastrophe.


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I have a friend in Thailand right now, and I don't know what area he's at. I hope he and his friends are okay...... what a horrible catastrophe.

Same situation here. Hoping he's OK, waiting for any word. :(


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From what I understand the quake happened 2 hours before the tidal waves hit. Isn't that enough time to send warnings out? I'm in Japan and we often get tsunami warnings after an earthquake...are there similiar warning systems worldwide?
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Thanks mostly to Japan, the Pacific Ocean has an extensive and effective warning system to warn against tsuanamnis. Unfortunately no such system exists for the Indian Ocean.


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Being from Hawaii, I know all too well about tsunami warnings.
The problem is the entire region that was hit isn't too well aquainted with tsunamis so there is no warning system.

Many of the areas are also very poor and have very little infrastructure as it is, let alone Tsunami sirens and markings for the inundation zone.

Its a huge tragedy this has occured, my prayers go out to all involved and to my fellow climbers helping. I had two friends just leave yesterday for Phuket on holiday.


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Has anyone heard any word on any JET people over in Thailand for the Christmas break?


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South western Thailand was hit hard by a tsunami caused by a record earthquake off the cost of Sumatra early Sunday morning (26th). Would advise that any one planning a trip over at least the next week or so check with there hotels or the tourism authority first as travelling, accomodation and climbing may be extremely difficult. An option is to rearrange for a visit to Chiangmai in northern Thailand first (great climbing and weather there as well). We have been informed that the local climbing community are safe and sound experincing only property damage but reports of casualties to international visitors are still unclear. Should you be missing anyone or know of any current vistors who cannot be contacted send me a message and I will do my best to help or pass on the information to the relevant authorities. Best wishes to everyone down there, hope that they are safe and sound.


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Anyone missing friends and family in southern Thailand send me a message with info on the persons (names, nationality, expected to be where and when) and I will try my best to help out and pass on the messages to the relevant authorities.


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if I show up around Krabi in the next week or so is there some chance that i will be able to help out cleaning up? Do ppl. know of any organized relief efforts in that area (NGO's etc) looking for help??

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Jamie, according to news all the efforts are going towards search and rescue at the moment. Any help cleaning up would surely be welcomed but have not heard of anything formally or informally organised yet. As things stand, there should be emergency centres at major villages or towns where you can show up and volunteer. Thanks.


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Over here, many people seem to have been affected one way or another. A co-worker of mine (locally from Phuket) has had her mother in law, a friend and her friend's 4 month old swept away. A number of my mother's clients are scattered in the Phuket area for the holiday season... she so far hasn't heard anything of them. A good friend of mine had his parents come back to Hong Kong 12 hours before the Tsunami hit. They had heard their hotel was flooded all the way to the second floor. I would say they are pretty damn lucky. It's strange how often events like these can indirectly impact another person.


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Got a note from winstonfb. I figure it might be an interesting addition to this thread. :?

In reply to:
I'm not only in Thailand, but was on the beach of Ton Sai climbing a
cliff high above sea-level when the first tidal wave hammered the
shore. I had a bird's eye view of the entire calamity. It's pretty
awful here; utter devastation of the beach businesses, and a number of
deaths and injuries. I escaped entirely unharmed, fortunately.
Communication is spotty, being subject to the whim of the generators
(and my dwindling stash of emergency money), so I probably won't be
able to write again for awhile. Thanks for writing, and your concern,
though. Take care. Later.

-Winston


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I have a non-refundable ticket for Thailand leaving January 14th. I was planning on going down to Railay/Ton Sai to climb, of course. I'm thinking I still want to go and help with the clean-up and rebuilding. Are any other climbers thinking of doing this, too? Does anyone know if it would be possible to even get there and stay there by then? Any thoughts on what I can do to help when I'm there would be nice.
My prayers go out to everyone over there.


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I have a non-refundable ticket for Thailand leaving January 14th. ... Does anyone know if it would be possible to even get there and stay there by then? Any thoughts on what I can do to help when I'm there would be nice.
My prayers go out to everyone over there.

I think if you head down that way there will be some infrastructure set up by then and somebody will put you to work. If not, get it going yourself.


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From http://www.railay.com/railay/intro/intro.shtml
"There are a few divers from Ao Nang and Krabi that are still missing.
Despite all the rumours, Railay is not going to be evacuated, and all the bungalows are still open. It is messy, but the Thais are amazingly good at making the best of the situation. The Bungalow owners reckon it will be 2 or three days before they get all the rubish cleaned up. That is not including the numerous boats which have ended up in some very bizzare places....
The sea is still rough for the time of year, and that has made everyone nervous. As the sea regains it's calmness, so will everyones confidence return. The main issue is the lack of boats. There are not many left, and those that remain are helping to search for people swept out to sea. If you have a flight booked Krabi airport is open and running as normal. You will just have to be patient in catching the boat over. I'd advise you catch a boat from Krabi wharf.
We'll update this as we get more information."



It seems like Railay may have gotten off relatively lightly. I'm pretty sure now that I'm still going to head down there in January to climb and to help with the cleanup/rebuilding and stuff. I feel for the other places that didn't get off so lightly.


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Wingnut, there was a 9.2 in Alaska in 1964. Doubt if that was the highest ever, but I can't say.
Regardless, 8.9 is darn big, and especially troubling given there was just an 8.2 in Antarctica just days ago. The Earth's plates are a'movin'.


There are a lot of quakes bigger than this one. I believe that Wjngnut meant a new record for the area. I heard on the news that it was the worst quake for the area in 40 years. I don't think WN meant record for all times everywhere.


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Didn't hear about it until I turned on the news thismornig. WOW! Over 22,000 estimated dead/missing. I can't imagine the heartache in the are at this time. Seeing first hand how emergency personell can become 'stresses' when 3-4 people go missing in a disaster I can't imagine how they are coping in these areas.


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From The Nation (a Bangkok English-language paper). My condolences to those who have lost family and friends.

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Thai paradises lost to nature's fury
Published on Dec 27 , 2004


Just a day before the tidal waves they were the epitome of earthly paradise, now they are scenes of hell.

A postcard-perfect island with stunning scenery, pristine beaches, and azure waters, Koh Phi Phi is a scene of death and devastation. Sunday’s seismic tidal waves killed more than 143 people and swept away all but two buildings on the island.


Krabi’s scenic shorelines, famed for their bizarre limestone rock-formations, sustained massive damage and it may well take months to clean up all the debris. Some 68 people were killed and many more are still missing.

The popular Ao Nang Beach came in for an especially severe battering.

“Phi Phi is a total wreck,” lamented Mitchai Anansakul, head of the Nopparat Thara Marine Park. “Almost every building on the island collapsed under the 10-metre wall of water.”

Only two large hotel buildings, the Phi Phi Cabana and the Phi Phi Hotel, were left standing, but even they suffered heavy damage and will need structural inspection before they can be reopened, Mitchai added.

Rescuers, who started at 6am, were working around the clock to evacuate survivors and injured victims to the mainland. “By late afternoon some 500 to 600 survivors, including many wounded, were still stranded on the island,” Lt-Colonel Prasertsri Kulna, an inspector at Marine Police Division 5, said yesterday.


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Here's a report from 8a

http://www.8a.nu/site2/

Seems like if you have a ticket you should head over. You can still climb and help out on rest days. I've only heard back from one person, so far, and he happened to be in Northern India when it hit. But it sounds like climbers are still climbing and helping rebuild the beach bars and they are getting back to business as usual. Doesn't sound like the resorts at Tonsai got hit. An NPR report stated that the number of travelers has helped a lot as they've been quick to help out with time and money. Since we (climbers) have a lot less money, in general, focusing on the more climbing specific areas that depend on us (Tonsai) should be our focus.

I've not yet heard anything from Phi Phi, which supposedly got hammered. Any news would be appreciated.


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I've just receive news from a climber friend in the Railey/Ton Sai area:

"I stood on the beach and looked at the biggest wave of
my life coming at us here on tonsay,we are all well
and only few kayakers died, the hight ground has saved
us,will write more with time,still in shock,it was
like a christmas present from the Gods"

we are supposed to be there in less than two weeks. Still waiting for some info to see what help we can do or bring...

Nico


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http://www.8a.nu/site2/

To make the easier to read. It has a great pic on the wave hitting Railay with the caption, "the photographer was later washed into a bar".

From the above report, almost certainly Cat's climbing shop is gone. Hopefully they're okay. For those of you heading over, maybe contact them to see what they can use. I'm not sure what they'll need. The buildings over there are easily re-built. They may need climbing gear, which is sort of expensive to get where most things are cheap. As soon as I find out what's needed I'll be sending stuff over but if someone wants to take it with them that would work better.


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A word of warning to anyone traveling to Southern Thailand in the near future... or any other tsunami hit area.

I think it's great that some of you want to go help out with the cleanup and getting things back in some semblance of order, I love the area and would love to do something, but be careful over there. Thailand is a relatively modern place with a relatively high amount of infrastucture to deal with such a catastorophe, but there are going to be outbreaks of disease (lots of bodies decaying, overflowing sewage systems etc... morbid but necessary to take into consideration) and I'm guessing the water supply could become contaminated. Again, I'm guessing this won't be as much of a problem as in India or other places were more people were killed. So to anyone going over there in the near future, use discretion, be careful and good luck.


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Does anyone know whether or not geological agencies posted any warning whatsoever from the time of the earthquake till the tsunamis started to hit? If not why?

I heard on NPR this morning that no tsunami warnings were issued because in that part of the Pacific has not been equipped with buoys that sense tidal waves, which are used in other parts of the ocean. We actually had a tsunami warning here in SoCal -- maybe 8 years ago -- issued by National Tsunami Warning Center, which I'd never hear of before. They closed the beaches, but the forecasted tsunami never materialized.

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Does anyone know whether or not geological agencies posted any warning whatsoever from the time of the earthquake till the tsunamis started to hit? If not why?

I heard on NPR this morning that no tsunami warnings were issued because in that part of the Pacific has not been equipped with buoys that sense tidal waves, which are used in other parts of the ocean. We actually had a tsunami warning here in SoCal -- maybe 8 years ago -- issued by National Tsunami Warning Center, which I'd never hear of before. They closed the beaches, but the forecasted tsunami never materialized.

-Jay

I think you must mean the Indian Ocean Jay.

The Tsunami warning centre knew that there would be a tsunami but were unable to get the warning out due to not having any contacts in that part of the world. This was a result of the fact that tsunamis are so rare in this oceanic basin. The earthquake detectors showed a sufficiently large earhtquake at such a shallow depth and across such a long fault line that a tsunami was inevitable. There was simply no system in place.

The waves reached as far as Africa and south western Australia. The scale of this disaster is almost unfathomable.

Information from the population areas closest to the epicentre is still scant. A rumour going around at the moment is that there could be as many as 30,000 dead in one isolated island chain. 10,000 dead are reported in the capital of Aceh province on the island of Java, this city is quite close to the epicentre.

This will only get worse folks before it improves. The true scale may never be known. More graphic pictures and video are coming out by the hour. This will be the best documented tsunami ever recorded.

The very interesting thing for me is that the straits of Molucca where the climbing on the Thai peninsular exists is on the other side of the island from where the under sea quake occured. For the wave to wrap around the island and charge down this funnel shaped strait is almost incomprehensible in that it caused such destruction. Grab a map or an atlas and check it out.


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My friend still hasn't sent word if he's okay. I know it's a catastrope zone, and communications must be in shambles, but now the waiting is not feeling so good....prayers and thoughts for Jim and his friends, if you can take a moment.


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Did anybody get hurt in Rai Lay by the recent tidal waves?

How is the situation there now? Is transportation to and from the peninsular difficult now?

I'd planned to go there in January but not sure what to do now.


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Have some friends there now. I just recieved word that all are OK, but will take up to a week and a half to get back home as traveling across land to the nearest airport will take some time.
In addition I'm not sure on their travel document status, but that might come into play as well. This is a devastating event I just hope that many others were just as lucky.


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I've not read this thread entirely but did note some folks expressing concern about friends in the stricken area. Sorry if this has already been posted but, if you fit that bill...

If you are looking for information on a U.S. citizen feared missing, contact the U.S. State Department at 888-407-4747, or, from overseas, at 317-472-2328.

My hopes and prayers to all of you with missing friends and loved-ones.

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Does anyone know whether or not geological agencies posted any warning whatsoever from the time of the earthquake till the tsunamis started to hit? If not why?

I heard on NPR this morning that no tsunami warnings were issued because in that part of the Pacific has not been equipped with buoys that sense tidal waves, which are used in other parts of the ocean. We actually had a tsunami warning here in SoCal -- maybe 8 years ago -- issued by National Tsunami Warning Center, which I'd never hear of before. They closed the beaches, but the forecasted tsunami never materialized.

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I think you must mean the Indian Ocean Jay.

Yep. Geography sucks.

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From what I understand, there are no tsunami warnings (no seismic wave-tracking buoys) in place in the Indian Ocean becasue there has not been tsunami activity in nearly 500 years. Also, becasue the quake shook areas that are politically unstable, it may have taken longer to get the word out that something big was travelling the ocean.
My friends and I left Thailand on the 23rd and it is an eerie feeling to see the places we visited and climbed so devestated. My thoughts and prayers are with the kind people we met there (esp. in Ton Sai) and all props go out to those climbers who are there helping pick up the pieces. To those of you who have tickets/plans to go to Thailand: go! Don't cancel anything! If you can spend a little bit of time helping out and if you can bring any sort of relief supplies in, do so. If not, at least continue to support Thailand with your tourism dollars, which will be needed all the more now.


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Seems like ton sai beach has been rather lucky, thnx god. at least some good news. Been there till 18th and was worrying if they`re all half way fine. received a mail on 27th from a mate who still was there stating the following:

"hey man everythings fine with everybody. lots of damage.the bars on the water front are all damaged.many people left today but many are staying.spent the day cleaning up the freedom bar will be open tonight.lots of people waiting for internet so will say bye for now. thanks for checking on us.everyone says hi."

Feels good to hear people stick together & help as much as they can instead of just leaving.... after all I wouldn`t have expected anything else from us climbers!


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My friend checked in last night. He is okay.

Does anyone have information on funds that we can donate to for assistance? I know that UNICEF and the Red Cross are groups who will do a lot to help, and both wil no doubt be able to earmark our donations to go directly to help this catastrophe.


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everything is fine there according to my friends who are in tongsai now. Infact, they met some climbers who got washed by the wave who are still climbing like usual. Pretty much everyone is trying get everything back to usual..


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Anyone heard from the Phi Phi's?

As far as Thailand goes, a warning system wouldn't have done much since the quake at 8 and the wave hit Phuket at 8:30.


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here are two links on how to help/ donate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/28/international/28aidbox.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/quake.aidsites/index.html


if you go to nytimes or cnn.com, they have a wonderful link on how to help!


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as the death counts keep rising, I'm in shock and disbelief at the extent of this catastrophe. I can't help but wonder with the level of technological advances we have in certain industries, what measures could have been taken to provide more warning; but I guess that's for a future day...

while I am sad for those impacted by the tsunamis and earthquake, I am relieved in part that the ton sai beaches in thailand were not too stricken in terms of fatalities. I remember lounging around watching American films with guest house staff and playing ping pong with laid-back local climbing guides. I hope the people who made my stay a comfortable one are ok.

I hope the rebuilding process goes as well as it can.


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My girlfriend and I are flying into BKK on Jan 6th and I've heard rumours about delayed and cancelled flights.

Anyone who's traveling to the area in the next two weeks have any info on this?

My travel agent's computers are down right now and they can't get any updates.


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Hi Everyone,

Me and my girlfriend have a flight leaving for bangkok tonight, and will be arriving in the Krabi airport on th early evening on the 30th. We plan to help out with whatever aid efforts are going on in the area. For anybody else planning to do the same, we'd love to get in touch. I can be reached via email (check my profile). I'll try to post updates here once we get settled in and keep people up to date a bit. We may climb still end up climbing if appropriate.

Wish us luck and any good advice would be appreciated,
Tim


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Here are some links for groups accepting aid for the victims:

Red Cross: http://www.ifrc.org/
UNICEF: http://www.supportunicef.org/...?c=iuI1LdP0G&b=45523

There is an article on washingtonpost.com on how to help
here is the link (you have to register, but it is free)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2004Dec27.html?refer

And lastly USAID Disaster Assistance website has some advice about giving as well...

http://www.usaid.gov/...ance/help/index.html


It is so unbelievable. So sad.


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Found this link which lists the dead and injured in Phuket, Thailand hospitals, in case you're trying to locate someone:

http://www.vachiraphuket.go.th/26122547/listall.html

Plus another link with status of the hotels in the area:
http://www.sawadee.com/tsunami/hotels.htm


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Pretty incredible!
This satelite image just happened to catch the Male airport in the Maldives in a couple of consecutive frames. It's clear on the other side of India from the epicenter

http://globalsecurity.org/...-maldives_comp01.gif

In the second frame all the boats and planes, as well as some buildings are gone!

There's an equaly impressive one of Siri Lanka

http://globalsecurity.org/...man_kalutara_bug.gif

http://globalsecurity.org/


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Total casualties up over 80,000 right now per cnn.com
Cant believe it. Such massive destruction, how long did take does any one know? I read that from the time of the earthquake to the wave was roughly 2 hours but from when the wave hit to calm how long was that.

my prayers are with everyone over there. God can bring about a great victory in this.


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80,000 confirmed dead with the Red Cross estimating that the total will be over 100,000. F*CK! Looking at some of the images and videos coming over CNN and BBC News, one just does not know what to feel! If I let this sink in properly, I think I would cry for days, especially seeing one image in particular of a father in Sri Lanka carrying his dead baby son like he was just asleep. Way too heavy shit for it not to affect you deeply! I certainly hope that the renewed respect the region will have for Mother Earth will spur on a move to install the necessary warning systems.


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America sent 35 million as of yesterday. There are gonna be over 150000 dead easy without the diseases. That 35 million isn't gonna do s***. And how many times that are we spending every day in Iraq? Maybe we could scrap one fighter plane and give 29 times that. Or better scrap missle defense and give over 100 times our puny amout. But we've got to prioritize. Makes you proud to be an American.


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In reply to:
America sent 35 million as of yesterday. There are gonna be over 150000 dead easy without the diseases. That 35 million isn't gonna do s***. And how many times that are we spending every day in Iraq? Maybe we could scrap one fighter plane and give 29 times that. Or better scrap missle defense and give over 100 times our puny amout. But we've got to prioritize. Makes you proud to be an American.

Lets see, the first shipment of food arrived at a US leased Airforce base in Thailand less than 48 hours after the quake.

Six C-5's delivered 700,000lb of MRE's from Guam
They're about 1 lb and $3.00 each so there's
$2,100,000 right there.

And oh :shock: they had to get there somehow :? Those six planes flew a 24hr round trip mission at $30,000 an hr
$4,320,000 delivery costs.

So you've got $6,420,000 in a direct assistance within the first hours.

The first batch of that aid got to Siri Lanka This morning via
C-130 with the advance crews along with vaccines and other high priority cargo.
Not to mention four P-3 Orions that were tasked to do damage surveys within four hours of the quake.
A carrier battle group, amphibious ready group with large numbers of helicopters, trucks and construction equipment, 6000 men and five prepositioned supply ships with built in desalinization plants and hospitals.

The very millitary you disparage is the ONLY organization on the planet that can even have a remote possibility of dealing with this situation.
so STFU!


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In reply to:
America sent 35 million as of yesterday. There are gonna be over 150000 dead easy without the diseases. That 35 million isn't gonna do s***. And how many times that are we spending every day in Iraq? Maybe we could scrap one fighter plane and give 29 times that. Or better scrap missle defense and give over 100 times our puny amout. But we've got to prioritize. Makes you proud to be an American.

Lets see, the first shipment of food arrived at a US leased Airforce base in Thailand less than 48 hours after the quake.

Six C-5's delivered 700,000lb of MRE's from Guam
They're about 1 lb and $3.00 each so there's
$2,100,000 right there.

And oh :shock: they had to get there somehow :? Those six planes flew a 24hr round trip mission at $30,000 an hr
$4,320,000 delivery costs.

So you've got $6,420,000 in a direct assistance within the first hours.

The first batch of that aid got to Siri Lanka This morning via
C-130 with the advance crews along with vaccines and other high priority cargo.
Not to mention four P-3 Orions that were tasked to do damage surveys within four hours of the quake.
A carrier battle group, amphibious ready group with large numbers of helicopters, trucks and construction equipment, 6000 men and five prepositioned supply ships with built in desalinization plants and hospitals.

The very millitary you disparage is the ONLY organization on the planet that can even have a remote possibility of dealing with this situation.
so STFU!


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*A carrier battle group, amphibious ready group with large numbers of helicopters, trucks and construction equipment, 6000 men and five prepositioned supply ships with built in desalinization plants and hospitals.

The very millitary you disparage is the ONLY organization on the planet that can even have a remote possibility of dealing with this situation.
so STFU!*

The carriers won't arrive for 10 days to 2 weeks from today, 6 days after the earthquake

We aren't disparaging the U.S military, rather the fact that it is being wasted on ridiculous and unacheivable tasks when it could be focused on humanitarian efforts such as this one, which would do far more to improve our image on the Arab street (and win the war on terrorism) than our current pathetic and misguided eforts in Iraq are doing...


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In reply to:
We aren't disparaging the U.S military, rather the fact that it is being wasted on ridiculous and unacheivable tasks when it could be focused on humanitarian efforts such as this one, which would do far more to improve our image on the Arab street (and win the war on terrorism) than our current pathetic and misguided eforts in Iraq are doing...

Here, here - Kalcario just found something we can agree on...

The Bushies are also adding considerable confusion to an already confusing aid situation by setting up a separate aid consortium to deliberately snub the UN who has the infrastructure already in place - and surprise, their consortium looks remarkable like their Iraq "Coalition". Clueless to a fault.

[P.S. Terrorism is a symptom, not a combatant or enemy state - this "war" will be exactly as successful as our "war" on drugs, and for pretty much the exact same reasons.]


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British Lancet medical journal published a suvey saying that 100000 Iraqi civilians are dead due to war related causes. Where is the media coverage? I am not saying this is not a massive tragedy but how about some equality. Plus here are some statistics from counterpunch.com

Us, Stingy?
It's All Relative

By DAVE LINDORFF

Cost of one F-22 Raptor tactical fighter jet -- $225 million

Cost of the ongoing U.S. war in Iraq--$228 million/day

Amount spent by Kerry and Bush campaigns -- $400 million

U.S. aid to Yushenko camp in recent Ukrainian conflict -- $30+ million

Estimated cost of Bush's Second Inauguration and Ball -- $ 40+ million

Amount of U.S. tax cuts under Bush -- $1 trillion

Cost of the U.S. Iraq War in 2004 -- $147 billion

U.S. reconstruction aid budgeted for Iraq (though never spent!) -- $18 billion

Amount the U.S. initially in aid to Indian Ocean tsunami victims -- $ 10 million

Amount U.S. offered in tsunami aid after being chastised by UN official -- $35 million

Dave Lindorff is the author of Killing Time: an Investigation into the Death Row Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. His new book of CounterPunch columns titled "This Can't be Happening!" to be published this fall by Common Courage Press. Information about both books and other work by Lindorff can be found at


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:cry: what is happening when we feel the need to debate about something this horrible!?!? Prayers for friends and families :cry:


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:cry: what is happening when we feel the need to debate about something this horrible!?!? Prayers for friends and families :cry:

Yep! it looks like this thing could run into the millions of fatalities before it's all over. There was one town in Ache of 110,000 or so that the only survivors seem to be 500 or so that made it to a military outpost on the top of a hill.

The satellite and P-3 imagery is starting to come in now and in some places where there were once inhabited islands, there are only sand bars. Not to mention Manamar where a ruthless leftist military dictatorship has put the kiabosh on any information geting out. Nobody really knows what went on there yet.

Meanwhile Kofi Anan didn't bother to come home from his ski trip to Jackson Hole for three days while the America bashers whined.

The only help that will be arriving there any time soon will be wearing blue, brown or green with an American flag on the left shoulder. Just keep that in mind.


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cthulu
Considering the overwhelming gravity of this situation and the
irelivance of your post, I've had second thoughts about posting this in this thread but it also doesn't warant it's own thread.

Your source of irrelivant data Dave Lindorfs' major cause celebre is the defense of a man that shot a police officer and then while he was down and defenseless Blew his brains out. Gives you a lot of credibility.


In reply to:
Dave Lindorff is the author of Killing Time: an Investigation into the Death Row Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal



In reply to:
Five eyewitnesses implicated Abu-Jamal as the killer. His legally-registered gun was found at the scene with five spent shells in the chamber—shells that matched the bullet retrieved from the slain officer’s brain. Abu-Jamal was found wearing a holster. A return round from the policeman’s revolver was embedded in Abu-Jamal’s chest. When police arrived Abu-Jamal lunged for his gun. To this day Abu-Jamal and his brother, both witnesses to the crime, remain curiously silent on what happened.

Numerous people report that they heard him confess—including an anti-death penalty activist sympathetic to his cause. “I shot the mother-f***** and I hope the mother-f***** dies,” three witnesses say he bragged. “I’m glad. If you let me go, I’ll kill all of you cops,” he screamed at a local hospital.


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You're human, right? :wtf: :roll:


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*The only help that will be arriving there any time soon will be wearing blue, brown or green with an American flag on the left shoulder. Just keep that in mind.*

Wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/31/asia.quake/index.html

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia (CNN) -- For the first time since tsunamis swept across the Indian Ocean region, killing an estimated 135,000 people, residents in some remote areas of Indonesia saw the arrival of aid workers Friday -- and welcomed them as heroes.

It was their first sign that the world had not forgotten about them, said Sabine Rens of Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders), which made it to two coastal areas Friday.


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Where's the French navy?


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Cost of the ongoing U.S. war in Iraq--$228 million/day
Amount U.S. offered in tsunami aid after being chastised by UN official -- $35

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Your source of irrelivant data ....

how could you say irrelevant?

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winstonfb wrote up his eye-witness account with pictures from his climbing partner and got it in the local paper. You can read it online, but only for a fee of $3.00, which is six times what the entire paper cost. :roll: If you're interested, click the link and scroll down to "Witness from Alaska recounts devastation."


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Anyone know how hard Tonsai was hit by Tsunami?
Looks like they got off light!
http://www.supertopo.com/...html?m=54982&f=0&b=0


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Hi Everyone,
I was on Railay ... I saw the waves hit Ton Sai too. I pray that the climbers on Ton Sai are ok, but fear the worst because of what I saw. Can anyone tell us if they were also climbing there? Do they know if other climbers survived??

Our story made it around the world - and now it is on CNN's world page:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/01/04/tsunami.survivor/index.html

If anyone else was there, I'd love to be in contact. We cannot get over yet what happened - we've been going to Krabi for years .... Railay is wrecked - but I hope they can rebuild for the next winter season... We will go next year if we hear they've had time to rebuild. Diamond Cave and Diamond Private are ok, but Sand Sea, Railay Bay, Village, BoBos, etc... wrecked.


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I feel bad about bringing this thread back up to the front page, but I didn't feel that a new thread was warrented.

I ran across a story on Yahoo! News the other day. Apparently many athletes around the world are donating a large amount of money to go towards disaster relief.

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Seven-time world Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher donated US$10 million; the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and FIFA, the football governing body pledged US$2 mil; the English Premier League have pledged US$1.9mil with clubs such as Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea contributing at least US$65,200 each.

Lets see that again!!!! :shock:

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Michael Schumacher donated US$10 million
:shock: :shock:

Ten million dollars from one man. It is true that he is the highest paid athlete on the planet and he does have an excellent collection of Ferrari's, but I find it amazing that he ante's up the same amount that the entire government was willing to give in monies.

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Amount the U.S. initially in aid to Indian Ocean tsunami victims -- $ 10 million

Amount U.S. offered in tsunami aid after being chastised by UN official -- $35 million

Anyway, I am glad that some of our athletes were willing to donate much of their hard earned cash for the help of the victims of this event. I only wish I had the capital to make a similar donation.

RJ


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OK - this thread has divulged. Shows how well I´ve been following it. Right into a debate upon how ineffectively America is spending it´s money... something that´s a well known fact and hardly worth debate.

Anyways, for anyone who hasn´t heard about Sam Lightner and Michelle Garber´s attempt to raise money for donating to the climbing community of Thailand directly : they held a rally to raise awareness of the current situation and needs of the Thai people Jan 21 and Jan 23 in Banff and Canmore Canada. I think this was advertised on the Rockclimbing.com some time ago. Anyways, If you haven´t already contributed to the reconstruction effort, this´d be a nice way to still do so. Show the climbing community of Thailand that the rest of the climbers are behind them. You can donate by sending a check addressed to Rally for Railey Fund to:

Rally for Railey Fund
PO Box 987
Banff AB
T1L 1A9
Canada


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